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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Sep 2, 2010 |
Puttur Dinesh,
Where did I write in favour of dynasty business? You should cultivate the habit of reading before you give your opinion. Some tips for you, follow it, will help you in your professional and social life
1. Read carefully. Read twice. Thrice at times.
2. Comprehend. Make sure what you have understood is the same as what the writer has conveyed. If not, OPEN your mouth and ask.
3. Think over it.
4. If you have an opinion over it, structure it in an order and put them in proper words which the recipient can understand. Communication is not display of mastery over language, it is to make the other party understand you. We aren't here to compete against Salman Rushdie. Hence, keep it simple.
6. Proof read what you have written before sending it to publish. A good writer proof reads his own writing and reads it later after publishing as well.
7. After point 4, I have moved to point 6. If you haven't noticed this, then you are a bad reader and need improvement :)
Now let's come to the topic of distribution of wealth.
Bill Gates and others might have donated most of their wealth but don't forget that all these years they too were in the rat race. All comforts and aspirations have been achieved. It's only now that they are distributing their wealth. Hats off to that though. It takes something to part with something which you love the most.
As for Indian leaders, they are doing their part. In case you did not know, Azim Premji has a NTC named Azim Premji Foundation. Infosys has Infosys Foundation. 70% of Tata Sons is owned by 2 Trusts - Ratan Tata Trust and Sir Dorabji Tata Trust. So it is wrong notion to have that Indian leaders don't do their bit. I don't know how many US Companies follow this policy of Ownership with Charitable Organizations and neither do I want to know, as it will turn the debate into Indian v/s American as always.
But yes, are Indian leaders doing enough or not could be debatable. |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Sep 2, 2010 |
"He openly spoke about the angioplasty procedure that I underwent 3 years back" - Chris Rego.
Chris,
On a serious note, I think you are taking these discussions way too far. Looking back, I had my own doubts as you gave away enough clues on referring statin, Dr.Purushottam, AJ hospital etc. I never really asked you as it would be unappropriate to ask personal questions in a public forum.
With this admission, I am going to believe in my instincts and stop 'Jugal-bandhi' with you.
Take care of your health, my friend. You don't need to prove anything to anybody - be it your education or any other credentials. You know it and that's good enough.
Peace, Bro. |
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Sep 2, 2010 |
Have you read a book called Pride and Prejudice by Jane Austin when you were studyimg in primary school? - Shenoy R.
This is like asking a fish - "Hey Fishu, dya swim, man?"
Incidentally, it is AUSTEN, and NOT AUSTIN as you wrote! Looks like you haven't even gotten the grasp of her name as yet, save the content! Spellings aren't important, are they? |
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Sep 2, 2010 |
Hey Chris, you are taking it a bit too far. Show me one post where I have mentioned any thing related to your health. Don\'t get mixed up man. - Shenoy R.
Sorry Dr. Shenoy R.! It was Shenoy K. who referred to the procedure. I sincerely apologize for the goof-up in initials! That\'s the problem when you open-up 2 laptops at home and blog and people use initials for first names!
Nonetheless, no excuses whatsoever! Do accept my sincere apologies for the mix-up!
On the other hand, it is K. Shenoy who should have a rethink and coz his lack of sense let him down! |
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| Judith L, India |
Sep 2, 2010 |
| Mr. Puthran, I am always glad to assist for social work. However, I have never joined any social networking groups like twitter, facebook, etc.. |
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| Puneet, India |
Sep 2, 2010 |
Why do they -GSB/ Brahmins-make people remove shirts while entering the temple, - Vinod Raghuvir Shetty
Vinod name the temple also ? |
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| B.P. Putran, Saudi Arabia |
Sep 2, 2010 |
| Pai maam, shenoy, its of no use arguing for the sake of arguing here as you rightly pointed out rediculing each other in the name of caste, creed, religion, we have better things to do in life, not to waste our time and energy. thanks for those samartians here, join me if you can do some social work you can find me in FB, Tweeter, Linkedin. thank you Pai, Shenoy, DPK, Mumtaz, Nazeer Saheb, Sr. Judith, Chris rego. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Sep 2, 2010 |
He openly spoke about the angioplasty procedure that I underwent 3 years back. Now, most of us here know that he is a practicing Cardiologist -Chris
Hey Chris, you are taking it a bit too far. Show me one post where I have mentioned any thing related to your health. Don't get mixed up man.
Mr K Shenoy, please clarify your position to Chris and dispel his notion. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Sep 2, 2010 |
Ha! You'll have to be born again!-Chris, the ever optimist
Have you read a book called Pride and Prejudice by Jane Austin when you were studyimg in primary school? I know you have mastered Harold Robbins and Nick Carter. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Sep 2, 2010 |
R (R as in Ramanna or Rampanna). -Chris, the inimitable Rego
Thank God you did not say R as in Rego.:) |
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Sep 2, 2010 |
Shenoy K.
You must have realized that my post was meant for Shenoy R. So sorry that I inadvertently put my reply to him under your name.
Care to know what riled me? Probably you didn’t read his one-liner properly or probably it failed to register as not many people are familiar with a "stent". He openly spoke about the angioplasty procedure that I underwent 3 years back. Now, most of us here know that he is a practicing Cardiologist and the least I expected from him was to remember the Hippocratic Oath that he took while passing out. Forget a frigging Cardio, even a normal chap with this little sense would very well know that such matters hardly deserve mention on a public forum. But nope, even that little bit of "sense" if not common sense evaded him!
Incidentally, the pertinent text of the Original version of the Hippocratic Oath is faithfully reproduced below:
"WHATEVER, IN CONNECTION with my professional practice or not, in connection with it, I see or hear, in the life of men, which ought not to be spoken of abroad, I will not divulge, as reckoning that all such should be kept secret."
"WHILE I CONTINUE to keep this Oath unviolated, may it be granted to me to enjoy life and the practice of the art, respected by all men, in all times! But should I trespass and violate this Oath, may the REVERSE be my lot!"
So do you think that I was justified to give him a piece of my mind – and that too in not too eloquent lingo? Now, whether you concur or not, is a different matter altogether!
Incidentally, keep Raj out of this, please. I have known him for quite a while now and know him to be quite a balanced person. If he avoids EYT for any reasons, it is up to him and we should respect his decisions and not drag him into matters that hold no charm for him.
About DP, you are free to believe whatever you want. Possessing mere seniority hardly warrants him to pass comments such as - "even a Bank Peon would understand my mind" or something to that effect besides plenty more taunts and barbs at staggered intervals – but always in chime to echoes from a far away land! If you want to imbibe his "knowledge" and "humor", please feel free to do so. Anyway, what’s left to "discard"?
Further, if I speak my mind out against extremist outfits such as the RSS/VHP/Rama Sene - by no stretch of imagination can that be construed as “spreading hatred by attacking fellow mangaloreans by ridiculing their traditions”. If you have been following my posts, can you mention any specific community that I have targeted? Zilch, right? On the matter of "ridiculing traditions", probably you are referring to ‘Naga/Linga worship’ – a matter that I never ridiculed although it was construed as such! I had clarifications to seek on “Qualities/formless and the form, manifestation etc" and after a lengthy debate it has been laid to rest!
Further, questioning somebody’s non-tech credentials (which incidentally are openly available) for hands-on Technical expertise does NOT constitute to be an "attack on anybody with a Hindu name"! Unfortunately, everybody here failed to realize that the difference between Supplier & Specialist Sub Contractor! Anyway, that matter has been laid to rest too and yet, some enlightened soul from yonder keeps harping on his harpsichord on some "effect" or the other!
On the matter of "time", yes, I had to keep everything aside and spend a lot of time pounding on the keyboard - so much so that my better half threatened to yank-out the power cord and lock it up!
Try and be a tad more objective, mate and don’t paint everything and everybody with the same brush and color!
Moving back to Shenoy R, I hope another look-through the Hippocratic Oath will help him avoid making a similar mistake in the future! If some vestiges of decency or plain old common sense still remain, an apology would be deemed appropriate. However, I don’t pin much hopes on that eventuality. And I don't want any "reversals" either! |
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| Om Shetty, India |
Sep 2, 2010 |
Vinod Raghuvir khan, Belgium
Do not worry about Modi Gujaraties are well of to take care of that You batter worry about your time to come for next generation, because people like you do not wake up it will be too late. |
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| M,Hussain, Qatar |
Sep 2, 2010 |
Fighting between Shia and Sunny dates back to 7th century but still going on in many parts of the world……Fathima – mangalore, India
Jews persecuted Jesus in the land of palestain in 1st century of just before thereafter Romans fought Jews and Jews had been chased them. Regrouped jews now killing palestanians in the name of Jewish homeland “ZIONISM”
About 2000 BC Aryans invaded India persecuted Dravidians till todate dalits are being kicked, killed, naked paraded and their women are raped. Do you have parallel this in other parts of the world???? |
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| P.K.Chandran, India |
Sep 2, 2010 |
Please view, the editorial content of July 2010 www.themarinewaves.com, “Marine Waves” monthly international maritime newsletter, wherein carries evidence of the court case reference as said transparently, of the harassment and humiliation meted out by an Indian citizen litigant. This was exposed for others to also come forward, of the prevailing injustices, wasting the valuable time, money and efforts in courts of their life-time. Where is the perfection, for the judiciary to be blindly kept high, scaring the contempt of court, besides the advocates (future jurists) making “road roko”, just because one of the advocate’s relative lost their land by land grabbing?, indisciplined lawyers taking law into their own hands(T.O.I. Dtd.26.06.2007, 16.09.2008 etc. Chennai Edition). Why not discipline the advocates, for "not taking law into their own hands but be a role model, taking the common standard route of filing the suit, as the common citizen, as in the case of the said ex-serviceman in www.themarinewaves.com, in the editorial content, maintaining the sanctity of the Indian courts as well". While in the “ Land- grabbing case “ of an ex-serviceman in Bangalore City Civil Court i.e. O.S.345/2004 & R.A.117/2009. Its high time sincere CBI officers be asked to look into such cases as a watchdog and give justice, this innocent senior citizen and ex-serviceman totally harassed and humiliated to give-up, while he is fighting-out for justice, incurring further unwanted money, time and efforts in his old age, as a senior citizen or else it is like discouraging the loyal citizen, to come forward to defend their own nation from external threats.
We definitely need to rebuild the institutions of democracy, strengthen them, make them accountable and transparent and make them deliver what they are supposed to deliver. The current political leaders are not about to do that till they are pressurised. That can happen only if people, concerned people, good people participate in politics and democratic processes
Dr.ChandranPeechulli,Ph.D;MBA;FIE(INDIA) |
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| P.K.Chandran, India |
Sep 2, 2010 |
Dr.ChandranPeechulli,Ph.D;MBA;FIE(INDIA). (Chennai, India) 30 Aug, 2010 1031hrs IST
Rightly said by the new CJI. Unlike other professionals they are one amongst, without any exceptions as none fallen from the sky. Individuals can differ by their integrity and how they focus upon with specialization on the issues with their limitation of thoughts. Preferential treatment also if shown, should also make sense, in the case of the retirement age of judges while an employee citizen of a public sector (S.C.I.) thrown out of service, like a fish out of water in his late forties in 1993 and a fair settlement not made as yet.
Dr.ChandranPeechulli,Ph.D;MBA;FIE(INDIA). (Chennai, India) |
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| R.Venkatakrishnan,M.Com;MCA;MBA,Assoc.Editor, |
Sep 2, 2010 |
Why do ships collide within the port area again and again? Does it not reflect on the poor administration, not taking corrective measures of remedial action. Why has the DGS (Office of the Directorate General Shipping)not looking into this? Probe into action with Port Traffic Manager, Port Conservator, Marine/Engineer...Surveyor of the jurisdictional MMD. This is a true case of deliberate neglection and corruption.
Material evidence: Please browse website www.themarinewaves.com, and view the editorial contents from the EDITORIAL archives of the respective months and years from 2004 onwards. Sheer neglect for all the expositions made in the monthly editorials of the deficiencies, defects that prevail in the national maritime administration of INDIA. |
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Sep 2, 2010 |
Chris is quoting my post here and gives credit to one SHENOY K. Kaale saibaa? Who is this Shenoy K? I notice that you are even calling him a doctor by the way. - Shenoy R.
Sorry, Shenoy R (R as in Ramanna or Rampanna). The reply should have been posted back to you but it went to Shenoy K inadvertently..
Anyway, who else but you can come up with references to "scalded kittens". |
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| Vrishank, Sweden |
Sep 2, 2010 |
These days we seem to be watching Indian made movies that lack good substance as well as action movies such as Don.
In Don there was a scenario wherein the lead character is being told........ "yeh sona bazaar mein bhi miltha hai"........
Where are all these writers now ? |
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Sep 2, 2010 |
Shenoy prefers the whole book mate. Does it make you feel any better? - Shenoy
Ha! You'll have to be born again! |
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| Stany D'Souza, USA |
Sep 2, 2010 |
"No surprises ...typical 'minority' behavior in play here. First, provoke the majority, make them angry and then blame them for getting upset. How sweet!" -- R. Pai.
Don't forget, you are a minority in US. Stereotypic statements are not always helpful! |
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| Puttur Dinesh, USA |
Sep 2, 2010 |
Naags double standard there buddy.
you are against dynastic politics, but you are all for dynastic business. Premji has built the company from ground up, all that his son has done is being born in that family.
Premji should sell his stocks to the public and make wipro more public listed company than handing it over to his son who may run it to the ground.
I don't know if you read about the recent challenge by Buffet and Bill Gates. Americans are much better when it comes to charity and not giving their riches to their children.
read the two articles, it will open your mind to some new knowledge.
http://features.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2010/06/16/gates-buffett-600-billion-dollar-philanthropy-challenge/
http://beyondprofit.com/mind-the-gap-the-current-state-of-indian-philanthropy/ |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Sep 2, 2010 |
| Those who have an 'inferiority complex' about self always go on a rampage against others. Those who have a 'superiority complex' about self avoid mingling with others. A slow poison will always remain a slow poison. Anyways, 'IAS' so I am cult. |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Sep 2, 2010 |
Virginal Pai, don't make me laugh, man! - Chris Rego
Well, after those 'Puthran' moments, none can call him Virginal Rego. Just kidding. Take it in good spirit dude.
But 'Puthran' moments are any day better than 'We Are Sh*tty' moments :) |
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| Puttur Dinesh, USA |
Sep 1, 2010 |
O Pai This is my analysis of people seeking extra protection.
They are like an abusive boy friend/husband who is selfish and wants his girlfriend to do everything for him, but wouldn't do a thing for her. On top of that he would call her a slut/ infidel.
I hope I am making some sense here |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Sep 1, 2010 |
I wonder when blabbering Shenoy will take a leaf outta his book!
-Chris, the sad man
Shenoy prefers the whole book mate. Does it make you feel any better?
PS: Try some soda sherbat. Good for the heat. |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Sep 1, 2010 |
Chris, my friend from UAE,
I understand - It has been a rough week for you.
Don't let 'Puthran' moment discourage you from asking 'curious' questions on this forum. We truly enjoy your posts and your 'debating' skills!!
smiles..
We all make mistakes, my friend. It's time to learn from our mistakes and move on! If it makes you feel any better, why don't you write a poem in your unique style so your 'friends' can congratulate you? Just a thought... |
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| K Shenoy, India |
Sep 1, 2010 |
nazeer bhai,
thanks for your prompt mail. i am very happy to see that, and just some time back i replied that.
take care and ramadan kareem :-) |
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| K Shenoy, India |
Sep 1, 2010 |
I'm not doing your so-called "stunts" in your khandaani backyard, am I?
i don't have a backyard bro', i live in a flat on the 9th floor overlooking the sea.
don't mix oranges with apples. k and r have some difference in design and orientation.
as regards no.7 title, if you go back a few months and read your own posts, nobody can beat your nosy and kokke nature in the guise of good humour. many have done wahwah for you including your glassmate kudpi raj, who is not seen around now a days here and he also is not supporting you. maybe he is also sick and tired of your stunts.
i avoided direct argument with you all the time because i have read your articles here and thought you are a genuine person with good manners. but you seem to act as if you own this website, trying to impose your arbitration on every single person who has a hindu name. you also seem to pull legs at every available chance. you say you are busy with your young one (god bestow his mercy on the sweet little one) but you take time to go on a rampage of late, attacking right wing and blah blah blah. i am sure you are not vrs, but you are not better than him.
spreading hatred by attacking fellow mangaloreans by ridiculing their traditions will only make you secluded and end up in a padded cell sooner, i am sure. give due respect for knowledge and don't fly high, keep on the ground. that way you will be happy and others will also respect you. dp maam is a senior person, and he has good humour and knowledge to share. just don't discard him like a used napkin. you never know when you need whose help.
live long. this world is very small and it doesn't take much time to get info about people and their problems. i can see many people affected with 'aadd' here, who need urgent attention.
cheers. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Sep 1, 2010 |
While Puthran handled it with class, other parties had a little bit of struggle.
-O R Pai
Was it a case of Puthran vs Putran and Puthran showed who is at large and in charge?:) |
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| M.Hussain, Qatar |
Sep 1, 2010 |
Rao- Vinod is not targetting particular community I do speak for science not for religions........VRS
Religion and sceince is inseparable.
Please try to Know the sceintific argument from religion.
If you found unsceintific arguments in religion then its not religion but if you found then it is deabte within yourself to study.
best of luck |
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Sep 1, 2010 |
What we saw over the past 2 days was a classic demo of how someone can run into 'Puthran' moment! - Pai
Virginal Pai, don't make me laugh, man! Whn you try and use English - you're PATHETIC!
I'd met Puthran in 97/98. So please don't poke your dali-tove sniffing nose into matters which hardly concern you!
Somebody, pass me.......a .hanky.... nope, a commie hammer!
Klutz! Go over and over my comments your GREATNESS! KNOW and realize what the context IS! Don't show the SAME predisposition that you share genetically with DP! Look at a proper Cardio - like Dr. Purshottham from Aj Hospital. I wonder when blabbering Shenoy will take a leaf outta his book!
Jeez again! "Puthran moment"! Sometimes I wonder if you were one of the 3 officers with whom NDTV's prime reporter was huddled up with in a bunker for 3 whole days! But knowing you're type, I'd say I'd have better luck finding a brahmin on Mars than you in a bunker! Go bro, do some aasanas!
Plz don't expose your stupidity here ALL over again especially when you don't know what you talk about - BUT YET think you're God's Gift to EYT! |
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| B.P. Puthran, Saudi Arabia |
Sep 1, 2010 |
| Chris you got a point but you should have put in right perspective not in a sarcastic way (probing my profile) yes I am involved with process control oil in water, mercury in gas, salt in crude, H2S, and tail gas analysers which are being installed and commissioned at various locations of Aramco and sabic, as i said before we have a team of international expert guys (when I meet you I will name them) we are representing that company here in Saudi to carry out PLC job at above places, may it be seimens, rockwell automation, ABB, HP, Foxboro etc, we just finished business contract with ABB (installing 10 sulfide on line analysers) anyway Chris, I had to go a long way to learn this process control stuff, and I am sill learning, learning from people, the process is going on untill last my last day on this beautiful planet. my room is reserved at Hotel Melenium Abudhabi from 1st to 03rd November, see you at Adipec, may be I can learn something from you, cheers pal. |
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Sep 1, 2010 |
After all, it is acclaimed to be very difficult to comprehend....... So where is the substance (material) of the forms ?
Anyway, this subject matter has been dragged for too long, i will let you sleep over it for several nights (however long it takes).
- Kiran
Morning Kiran and I hope the sun shines as bright as the AUH midday sun thereabouts! Also good to know, you're wide awake for a change!
Lost for words although you TRIED to shed light on a "funda" BUT complicated matters, FULL of metaphors, eh?
Never mind. It is even better to know that you're NOT keeping track of what the CERN expt (Hadron Collider) is trying to find out about quarks, neutinos, leptons etc. So I presume that you don't know the mass of the up-quarks and the down ones! Is that what pulled you short of defining the 'formless'? Know what - finally (if sci-fi stuff is to be believed, people could probably go beyond defining the minutest of the minutiae with - Yeah..... vibration!)
For a moment, I was amazed that you hesitated just short of redefining particle matter.Looks to me like the Greatest move you've ever made, by calling it quits, Kiran! Both of us were venturing into the realms of the unknown - you on your ancient texts (Sanskrut - as your pal says) and me on scientific proof. I'll leave it to your whims and fancies as to who should spend MORE time in sleep!
Nonetheless, bravo! Great move! Kiran, I'm weary of this same old crap - RSS/BJP/Hindu/Muslim/christian.... crap....blah blah....... I'm glad you ask me intelligent questions - and trust me, it has been ages since people have made asked proper Q's.
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| Kiran, USA |
Sep 1, 2010 |
It is 1.28 Pm, and I’m at work, mate – hardly a time to sleep over your “formless” forms! :) --Chris Rego
Well, it is not formless forms. You may need several nights of sleeping over it. After all, it is acclaimed to be very difficult to comprehend.
You agreed that the meaning of the word “manifest” - that which is readily perceived by the senses is “good enough” for you. In that context, is the dream (consisting of “forms” or in your other words possessing “qualities” by virtue of manifestation) perceived by the senses? --Chris Rego
Fair enough. The example is only a metaphor and is not the real thing. The real manifestation of forms which is the empirical world is available to our senses. If you are a dream character in your dream world, the dream character you will hear, see, smell, taste, touch everything in the dream with a dream reality. The real point here is that senses do not perceive, it is only a matter of speech. The actual perception happens in our mind and that is true for the dream world as well.
I did not stop at sub-atomic particles, the list goes on down to quarks to particles yet to be discovered. But everything we have discovered so far are forms of forms. Remember, forms are just shapes/patterns of underlying forms. So where is the substance (material) of the forms ?
Anyway, this subject matter has been dragged for too long, i will let you sleep over it for several nights (however long it takes).
The main point here is that forms have qualities and formless as the word itself suggests is devoid of qualities. This simple thing should be easy for you to understand. |
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium |
Sep 1, 2010 |
Savyasaachi aka NS
Narendra Modi is modern day hitler, if he ever be PM of India then India will be another Afghanistan or Iraq for sure. |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Sep 1, 2010 |
"Modi has blood on his hands he has killed innocents" - Judith L
Dear Judith,
Why are you mixing up things? We are talking about the corruption and lack of efficiency in getting CWG related projects done.
Please don't dilute the subject by brining in random things. Do you have anything to say about the corruption and inability of our PM to get the CWG done on time with high quality Even 'Maatha-Prince' couldn't do anything, that too living in Delhi? What do you say, sister? |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Sep 1, 2010 |
"If you are really related to Monis, I am surprised, becuase monis was a kind and gentle person..." - Puthran.
What we saw over the past 2 days was a classic demo of how someone can run into 'Puthran' moment!
While Puthran handled it with class, other parties had a little bit of struggle.
Finally, this also exposed how some will continue to mock the truth and facts. Good luck with their future posts and credibility! smiles...
Finally, I see that things are coming to a happy end I hope that you guys meet each other soon at UAE.
Peace. |
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium |
Sep 1, 2010 |
| Rao- Vinod is not targetting particular community I do speak for science not for religions. |
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| K.RAO, India |
Sep 1, 2010 |
\"Those who support bachelorhood for religious reasons should understand that nothing can stop Kama from a human, they are just cheating them and the public.\"
It looks like the Virus is targetting a particular community. |
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Sep 1, 2010 |
Chris, I remember I met Lawrence's BIL (based in Abudhabi) in his office but I dont remember I met any Reuben (I hope you are the same person) yes I know Ivan Pinto. - Puthran
As I'd said, I'd met you between 97 - 99 in Lawrences place in Khobar. Ages back - but if memory serves me right, I guess it was you. Ivan has always been based in Khobar and not in AUH.
By the way, lets settle stuff on an amicable note - in our co and elsewhere too, our GM and COO hire lots of people with varying skill-sets and represent the company as a whole. However, due credit is accorded to the technical team at site - be it a specialist Sub such as Siemens or ABB or Rockwell or whoever.
In that perspective/my opinion, when that's the case, it was erroneous to claim that a sole individual "heads" a crack design/coding team for a whole gamut of the Oil/gas/petrochemical industries varied process applications. THAT was my ONLY objection and unfortunately, we had to waste plenty of KB's of space. When the cha(m)ps from Siemens/ABB/Deltares (for Surge & Hydraulic analysis) talk, the Client sits up and listens! Besides that, everything else is hunky-dory!
I was talking from a purely tech point of view while you meant "heading" the admin/logistics/business development part of your company while there are many competitors around. That's the core issue at hand! Nothing more!
What soured up things was our ever-inquisitive ex-banker from Corp Bank who had to poke his nose in matters in stuff that hardly concerned him or for that matter - will EVER comprehend! Do you think we need to fit up a breath-analyzer on him, monitor his failing OH processing capabilities and reprogram him so that we activate an emergency trip-up to nuke his haywire thoughts when he reaches 'unsteady state'? Or else, imagine the gall of the bilious chap to pass verdict on Engg Colleges! Ha and a double ha! Like he was dean on the Univ boards that he had mentioned yesterday! There was a Mr. Master of the Universe and Rampanna too, who aired out their views in C++/Visual Basic/Jawa and measured doses of Statins respectively!
Anyway, now that glitch is cleared-up, we can move on. ADIPEC should be in Oct or Nov, I'm not too sure, and is just about a 15 mins drive from where I stay. Sure, will come and catch up with you.
Peace, Mr. Puthran. Will definitely catch up with you. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Sep 1, 2010 |
Why is Chris running around like a scalded kitten? Some thing wrong? - Shenoy K.
Chris is quoting my post here and gives credit to one SHENOY K. Kaale saibaa? Who is this Shenoy K? I notice that you are even calling him a doctor by the way. |
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium |
Sep 1, 2010 |
Putaran has lost his BP so only Putaran or is this game plan by PLC head.
Hey Putran do not live in fools paradise disguising as someone else..
Nagendra - It is time for Puthran to have profile in widkipedia and you know the this net world is not safe, your protected tweets were exposed and even linkden profile of Puthran can be changed also. |
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| B.P. Putran, Saudi Arabia |
Sep 1, 2010 |
| Dear Mr. Mumtaz, I met Asadi in his Dubai office, Norman Texiera of Qatar we have business contacts (a Successful businessman from Qatar, I do visit him) Yes I am the same person in oil and gas business with Aramco and Sabic. I will write to your email id as soon as possible. Probably I will meet you in dubai. thanks for your note. |
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Sep 1, 2010 |
leave him alone dp maam. he is a stuntman with stents, living life dangerously. - Shenoy R.
Aah, great! It is singular - stent and not stents! So DP or somebody else had to spill the beans in a personal email to you, didn't he? But, that's inevitable when he (if DP) regularly puts his foot in his gob!
Him - well, he never knew when and how to zip it up! But that's OK. After all, he sees the Corp Bank peon for psychiatric treatment and thinks everybody ought to.
But you - with your Hippocratic oath - all bunkum, right? So where are your medical ethics now Shenoy? You ought to be ashamed of yourself for discussing my medical history out here! No wonder they say that once a 7 - always a 7!
Shenoy, trust me, just do your friggin job and leave me to my stent and stunts! I'm not doing your so-called "stunts" in your khandaani backyard, am I? |
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| Judith L, India |
Sep 1, 2010 |
Politicians repent during the elections usually and some times afterwards depending on the out come. People have voted him into office with massive majority. Those are the people of his state. They know who is good for them. Don't you think? - If he is a just leader, he should have punished those who had started the Godhra carnage to show his political might and win the elections, Modi has killed innocent women and children, who were not at all involved with Godhra incident.
PS: What do you think of Suresh, the common man Kalmadi? Any repentence is in order? What about people responsible for the 1984 Sikh massacre in Delhi? Do they need to repent as well? - Yes, they too should repent. |
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium |
Sep 1, 2010 |
RSS, seeing the rapidly falling number of youths in its shakhas and teir lack of intereste and enthusiasm in it activities, had decided to start a nationwide jagran campaign so as to familarise the new generation with sanghs idelology and programmes.
RSS cheif traitor and ISI agent Mohan Bhagwat has laid great emphasis on starting this campaign but due to his connections with ISI he could not materliase because he had feared for his life.
After the involevement of its members in bomb blasts in india and RSS was very keen to divert the issue so it took the ram mandir issue to divert it.
There were 50,000 RSS shakhas in India now it is reduced to 40,000 and getting reduced very rapdily causing great concern to RSS leaders.
Now, they have taken a decision to admit the roles of its members in bomb blasts and seek apology with its members and take oath that it will not induldge in violence and traitor Mohan Bhagwat will be removed as chief & a dalit will be made as its chief, General secretrary will be a Christian and treasurer will be Muslim.
All the brahmins in RSS will have to work with dalits if not they will get red card. |
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium |
Sep 1, 2010 |
Diwakar - So Muhammad Annavi is true secula and others are communals, why these different rules by Brahmins?
RSS can call anyone as terrorits and when their people are called terrorists they are irritated? idu yava nyaya swami?
Those who support bachelorhood for religious reasons should understand that nothing can stop Kama from a human, they are just cheating them and the public.
Diwakar- What is your opinion about traitor Mohan Bhagwat? |
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Sep 1, 2010 |
An example may make it easier to understand: when you dream, the dream world, which is full of forms, is created by consciousness. The forms have qualities, but those qualities do not belong to the consciousness.
It is 1.28 Pm, and I’m at work, mate – hardly a time to sleep over your “formless” forms! :)
A fallacious example to elucidate what you wanted to say, I’m afraid, Kiran! You agreed that the meaning of the word “manifest” - that which is readily perceived by the senses is “good enough” for you. In that context, is the dream (consisting of “forms” or in your other words possessing “qualities” by virtue of manifestation) perceived by the senses?
You also stated that “The formless gives rise to forms of the world” and stopped short of sub-atomic particles which are forms again! Are you trying to redefine particle physics? Or are you going to come up with some vague Philosophy?
Probably when you wake up from your current slumber (@ real time for both of us), you’ll have better explanations instead of resorting to verbiage and wordplay. However, keep the Sanskrit out of it, please! |
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| Putran, Saudi Arabia |
Sep 1, 2010 |
| Chris, I remember I met Lawrence's BIL (based in Abudhabi) in his office but I dont remember I met any Reuben (I hope you are the same person) yes I know Ivan Pinto. un-necessarity you got involved with my tussle with a fake VRS. I got irritated by your sarcastic remarks. If you are really related to Monis, I am surprised, becuase monis was a kind and gentle person, I am very curious to meet you in Abudhabi at Adipec show in November. |
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Sep 1, 2010 |
Why is Chris running around like a scalded kitten? Some thing wrong? - Shenoy K.
Ummmm.. not like a scalded kitten, Shenoy. But then, yes, I'm a lil frantic with worry coz I wouldn't want you to do a bypass or angioplasty on poor Ramanna just b'coz he suffered a small bruise on his abs! :)
Imagine Rampanna going on with his life popping in Clopidogrel, Statins, Fenofibrates, Aspirin, ACE inhibitors, Beta-blockers, etc etc....Tsk Tsk!
Just a cold-compress will do, Shenoy! :) |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Sep 1, 2010 |
It's high time he repent for his sins..-Judith
Politicians repent during the elections usually and some times afterwards depending on the out come. People have voted him into office with massive majority. Those are the people of his state. They know who is good for them. Don't you think?
PS: What do you think of Suresh, the common man Kalmadi? Any repentence is in order? What about people responsible for the 1984 Sikh massacre in Delhi? Do they need to repent as well? |
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| Mumtaz Hussain, Qatar |
Sep 1, 2010 |
..and I lost one of my close friend Lawrence Monis. ....B.P. Puthran
Dear Mr. Puthran, i have been reading your posting from some times specially an argument with VRS. Now when you wrote about Lawrence Monis who died in cross fire in alkhobar it forced me to send this posting bcoz i am a family freind of Mr. Lawrence - he had an agreement with me to purchase commercial premises in MG road worth about Rs. 35 lakhs about 10 years ago. When all dues paid and only registration was pending this unfortunate incident happend. Then i called his wife and told her that not to worry about property all will be registered on her name which was done in good faith.
Are you a person dealing with oil feild biz in KSA and freind of Mr. Karunakar shetty in Dubai?? Other freinds name list is long like Mr. Assadi, Norman like wise. If you are freind of them please do contact on my email abu-rehan@hotmail.com |
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Sep 1, 2010 |
Kiran, you try and explain the concept of “emperical reality” to an ordinary worshiper and he would stare at you blankly and curse you having snatched his “reality” away! Further, if you breakdown matter right up to the quarks, leptons and the theorized tachyons and raise questions on the “forms behind the underlying forms”, chances are extremely high that the worshiper might give up worshiping altogether!
Instead of getting into stuff like “emperical reality”, a simpler concept to explain will be the ‘humanly-constructed reality’ and ‘human-independent reality’ concepts.
Let us take your own example (bumping into a wall) and analyze the two types of reality given above. Let’s say a chap bumps into a wall by mistake. Now, that would be a humanly constructed reality. As a consequence of bumping into a wall, the chap suffers a concussion besides splitting his silly nut. Isn’t that an example of ‘human-independent reality’ as effects of the collision are governed by laws of physics?
Also, let us take the example of a worshiper worshiping a statue. By doing so, the worshiper creates a "belief creating reality" – which to him/her is 100% reality – ie, in your own words – “manifestation of certain qualities of the formless into the form” or rather, it falls in the humanly-constructed reality. However, does it really happen? You know the answer to that one, don’t you? But, can the belief-creating reality/humanly-constructed reality be applied to planetary motions or particle physics? Like for eg, if one TRULY believes that the earth revolved around Neptune, in reality would it be so? That would be human-independent reality, wouldn’t it?
Look at our man Original Pai. He TRULY believes that VRS = Chris Rego = Steve = Ravi = Rai and all of us (sorry, I) live in a small cramped room specifically in DXB (later changed to UAE to accommodate the emirate of Abu Dhabi). Is that humanly-constructed or human-independent reality? And what's the truth? Ahem!
As I’d pointed out earlier, reality for people (especially worshipers) definitely hinges on what they believe in. That makes them happy. Call it ‘living in fools paradise’ or whatever, but if it makes them happy – that God hears their worship, so be it!
Isn’t that much simpler than explaining quarks and leptons to a worshiper? Who is really interested in knowing about types of realities? Ask anybody around you - the grind of day to day life is STARK REALITY! When your stomach growls and you need to eat. But if you have no money, you'll have to remain hungry! Nobody will ever say that it is secondary reality or tertiary or human-independent reality or whatever! That's the ONLY reality for everyone - no exceptions! |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Sep 1, 2010 |
hate, master-slave, original-duplicate issues besides imagined notions - Chris Rego
I know Chris did not mean it but the way he has written, it appears that 'Hate, master-slave' topic of O R Pai is not an 'imagined notion' :) |
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Sep 1, 2010 |
Have you ever tried praanayaama? - O. R. Pai
Have you ever tried a plateful of Beef Sukka and Shavasana? Try it mate. It should purge you of all your hate, master-slave, original-duplicate issues besides imagined notions. |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Sep 1, 2010 |
"Nee MayeyoLago ninnoLu maayeYo..." - O R Pai
O R Pai!
What a day to post that lyric which mesmerizes us when heard from the melodious voice of Vidyabhushana!
Kanakadasa has used his birthplace i.e. Kaaginele on two occassions in his compositions. One in the same song that you mentioned "........Asamabhava Kaaginele Aadi Keshavaraya, usuraninnaLavalla ella ninnoLago... Krishnaaaaa....." and "..... Kaagineleyaagi Keshavana naa kaNDe, ishTu dina ee vaikuNTha.....".
I will consider Kanakadasa, Purandaradasa and various other ancient Kannada composers to be more of social reformers than poets. I believe you listen to their compositions or have heard in the past. They either address social issues or write simple common sense which can slip from most of ours mind. Even better is, they simply did not compose it and store in archives but went about singing the same to towns and villages and thus spreading the message. They are very similar to Sant Tukaram, Sant Gnyaaneshwar, Sant Namdev of the Marathi Abhangs fame. I don't know if you listen Marathi but try listening "Awaghachi sansaara...." composed by SG. Should be available on YouTube. |
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| Judith L, India |
Sep 1, 2010 |
| Modi has blood on his hands he has killed innocents. The Courts in India may not punish him, but the Almighty's court he cannot skip punishment. It's high time he repent for his sins.. |
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| D.P.Kumar, India |
Sep 1, 2010 |
leave him alone dp maam.-K.shenoy
Yes Sir. I am leaving him alone in this forum.
I was reading a book review. I understand that one Muhammad Annavi has written the Tamil Version of the Mahabharata, who is also the author of Bharata Ammanai.
Another book was by Nallapillai titled " Nallapillai Bharatam".
"This proves once again that Indian culture is one and indivisible and any talk of an Aryan-Dravidian divide is disruptive."
The 13949 verses divided in to 131 sargas is ofcourse a gigantic work.
Of many issues dealt there in, I am reminded of the advice by Bhishma to Yudhistira from the death bed (of arrows) in the Shanti parva that Caste should not be taken in to consideration while dealing with a person.
The tale of Sreekari guides us of need for patience; Meybodha on evil of amassing wealth, Gautami to avoid vengefulness.
Thank you k.shenoy. |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Aug 31, 2010 |
Dear 'VRS',
You are right. I don't exist! I am just a figment of imagination. As 16th century kannada poet Kanakadasa sang - "Nee MayeyoLago ninnoLu maayeYo..."
Does it make you a happy man in your little apartment in UAE ? smiles... |
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| Steve, Australia |
Aug 31, 2010 |
"Instead of appreciating his work, you guys are expecting him to change the world over-night and make it perfect !! As we all know, social reforms will go on as long as there are human beings" - American Pai's belief that the head-priest of Pejawar is on a social service mission.
Dear Original Pai,
The head-priest of Pejawar is a great personality. As an individual, he seems to pack much in his daily routine. I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that he is sincere in what he is doing.
But what social service are you talking about? Why can't I see it?
Does visiting the dalits and encouraging them (the Indian law calls it coercion) to take on Vaishnava Deeksha amount to social service?
He has been talking against "conversions" for decades. Such talks easily instigate the ignorant people to hate ordinary Christians.
Even though he is a very sincere man, his overtures to the Dalits unfortunately are not social service.
Using his own words, he hopes that the Vaishnava Deeksha (under Indian law it is conversion by coercion) will prevent them from getting converted to the other foreign religions. So he is busy converting them to his religion.
I wish the head-priest well. But his ilk has woken up a bit late.
The dalits are super-smart now. They know who comes around for real social service and who comes around for conversion by coercion.
By the way, someone with close links has informed me that the head-priest takes along a personal cook belonging to his own community - so that he does not need to eat food cooked by anyone else.
The dalits have seen this too. The invited cameraman from the media does not see it, of course. |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Aug 31, 2010 |
Chris, my friend from UAE,
Have you ever tried praanayaama?
This is probably the second time in less than 2 months we are seeing you in a very 'troubled' state. We are worried about you, my friend.
Dude - It's okay. We all make mistakes. 'Puthran' moment can happen to all of us. You need to calm down, accept the mistake and move on. There is no point in getting all hysterical.
I really hope you feel better, my friend. |
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium |
Aug 31, 2010 |
Who is telling here that I am divding on caste and creed... ware waaaa.... Pai your post is a clear proof for anyone what is your aim and I doubt that you are in Ullala Sankada Aache..
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium |
Aug 31, 2010 |
| Pai - Someone in this forum had told that they yet to meet someone from USA and that includes you also, why you do not come up with your details and make it available in this forum and I did invited several times to come to Belgium and meet me. Take this challenge man and you can afford because you have 6 digit salary. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Aug 31, 2010 |
Did you also know that 'smitha rai', 'steve', 'ravi' and 'vrs' - all these are creations of a well-known 'dashaavataari' on this forum?
-O R Pai
He is not dashaavataari. I think he is 'bele ijjandina achari' [Baaleda bonda kettonduller] |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Aug 31, 2010 |
So what do you plan to do with Ramanna -Chris
Why is Chris running around like a scalded kitten? Some thing wrong? |
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| Nazeer, Saudi Arabia |
Aug 31, 2010 |
I have composed a Krishna eulogy. Hope you liked it- Nagendra shenoy
Nagendra, I have already complimented on your cute poem.
As far as pakistan cricket is concerned, their whole team involved in scandals, its better not to talk about it, infact I am really allergic to pakistani matters.'
If you have anything about our Indian palyers, I am waiting for your thoughtful comments. By the way there is a rumor that Shaina Nehwal will be joining bollywood soon. |
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| B.P. Puthran, Saudi Arabia |
Aug 31, 2010 |
| You are welcome Mr. Pai, the so called scada, HMI,CNC,MCC, DCS, all part of PLC, I dont have to learn from Rego, God has blessed me with honour, health wealth, helped so many indian souls, gave employment to many people including the so called scada engineers, still they are working, if anyone needs proof, I am ready to meet him Besides I have travelled world wide gained lot of experience and had a chance to meet many interesting people of our industry, Truth is a bitter pill for those who cant digest some ones name and fame. what ever has been written in the proffessional websites or social pages FB are true, you can see some of my family members connected to my FB while concluding here I seek GOD's forgiveness using the word "I"Its not me but Its "HE" who gave me this status to reach to this height. by the by I have invited Mr. Nazeer to my office on the 09th of September, anymore proof required Mr. UAE and VRS |
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| B.P. Puthran, Saudi Arabia |
Aug 31, 2010 |
| Dear Mr. DPK, I hung my head in shame when some of these guys in this column hide their identity for fear of blacklash from RAW, or IB, I call upon all those Indians(this note is not addressed to those indians who gave up Indian citizenship but still hang on with India, abuses dignitaris, if he has any grouse, grudge against any group or individuals he should try to open the dialogue with those concerned parties, sheer absuing, shouting like a mad man here would serve no purpose. remove your negetiveness in your body, mind and soul, be a better person VRS, Unfortunately I did not meet Hamid at Lawrences house, sorry. he was killed on saturday and Thursday I was in his office, he was very gentle, liked by each and everyone, a great soul. |
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| Kiran, USA |
Aug 31, 2010 |
Your sentence clearly says that qualities of the formless manifest themselves in the form! --Chris Rego
Let me attempt one more time to dispel your confusion. Here is my sentence again.
"it is not the snake that is worshiped, it is the formless behind the form that is worshiped, which manifests certain qualities in this form"
The main problem is when you use the word "of" implying a sense of belonging. So, let us analyze the two parts of this sentence.
Formless behind the form: The formless gives rise to forms of the world. As in our previous discussion, formless is the underlying reality of the secondary reality of all forms.
Now, the second part:
"which manifests certain qualities in this form"
The formless manifests as forms with qualities. The formless has no qualities, and the manifestation has qualities. Even though every manifestation is but an expression of the formless, and the formless is present in forms or, in other words, the formless is the (underlying) reality of the forms, the qualities belong to the forms.
Now you can see the complexity of understanding this fundamental reality. An example may make it easier to understand: when you dream, the dream world, which is full of forms, is created by consciousness. The forms have qualities, but those qualities do not belong to the consciousness.
If it is hard to comprehend after this, perhaps it is time to sleep over it and ponder it after a while. |
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| Siva, USA |
Aug 31, 2010 |
Mr. Gowda, I am surprised by your questions because if you are a Hindu going to the temples, you would know that those old practices do not exist today.
My practical answers to your questions here:
The so called Hindu swamiji can he arrange mass marriages between upper caste people and dalits as did by Basavanna?
I think this is uncalled for. What is required is not eradication of castes but discriminations. The human race historically congregates in to groups based on certain characteristics. Any such move needs to be seriously thought about.
Can he make arrangements to draw water from a common well in villages meant for upper castes?
Absolutely. It is not just possible but essential. If there are villages like that, it is necessary to get that done and we dont need swamiji for that. Any leader worth his salt can take up this because there are strong laws. Even you can take up this if this is not done for political gain.
Can he allow these people to enter caste Hindu temples?
I am surprised with this question. I dont know of any temple that asks which caste you are as long as one goes clean. Just in case such a temple exists, then the temple authorities need to be told about the law. It is not an option. They have to allow. otherwise they need to face law. Again Swamiji is not needed for this.
Can he allow these dalits to learn Sanskrit and make them pujaris in temples?
I think the answer to the former would be a strong yes. But I am not sure if society is ready yet to have a Dalit as a Pujari in temple. For instance, how many Dalits are ready for that. How many can stay without eating meat - and how many of them really want this profession?
Can he make a dalit as madathipathi in his Asthamata?
Same as above.
Can he make aware of the so called Hindu sacred book bhagavatgeetha to these people and bring all Hindus on one common day to temple every week and conduct prayers as other religions are doing in this country?
Great Idea. I am sure there are many Dalits who are aware and know about Geetha more than you and I. Weekly meetings. I doubt Hindus because each of the devout Hindus have their own way of praying to God
I appreciate, atleast now you have started visiting these neglected people of God and if you find solutions to the above issues, you are really a great God.
You dont know about this Swamiji. He has done this many decades back. |
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Aug 31, 2010 |
my close friend Lawrence Monis.-B.P.Puthran
DP, it was at Lawrence Monis' place - the level above his Al Sagr Office in Al Khobar that I'd met your pal, Puthran! Or was it AFTER Lawrence had moved his place a couple of minutes away into a new apartment in early 99?
DP, you'll remember that about 2 years back I'd mentioned that late Lawrence was family! REAL close too!
Hey man, Puthran, his kids Llewlyn and Samantha were kids back then - but all prim and proper and grown-up now. If you're in touch with them, just ask them if they remember Reuben (my first name, while Chris is my second). Have you been to his place in Madanthyar? - Just asking, mate!
Puthran, you must be knowing Lawrence's BIL, Ivan Pinto very well. Give him a buzz and ask him how we are related. It is MUCH closer than you'd ever know or dream of!
DP, rules of the game - NEVER OPEN your bankers mealy-mouth unless and until you know on whose side the odds are overwhelmingly stacked! Don't drop names and cite LinkedIn/FB instances. Let our man Pai not add masala to something that he knows-not and yet believes - JUSt coz he believes what ever you write! Poor fella, you say - "yes sir" and he will bleat - 3 bags full, although he sits many miles and lat-long away from you - all based on your expert bankers judgment which incidentally is mortgaged too!
How could the Original Pai establish and verify credentials save on your say-so? He is another chap who incidentally believes that Australia is the latest acquisition of the UAE and will be made into another emirate of the UAE by the end of Ramadan!
DP, JUST today - you showed your ignorance out in the open thrice! Will you ever learn to zip it up? |
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| Tony, USA |
Aug 31, 2010 |
Bangladesh, Malaysia, Indonesia, Turkey, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt, Algeria
How are non-muslims treated in these countries? Muslims do not respect the religious liberty of non-muslims. Bangladesh's treatment of Hindus, Buddhists and Christians, Malaysia's treatment of Hindus, Turkeys treatment of Christians, Egypts treatment of coptic Christians is proof of the second class status of non-muslims in Muslim countries. |
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| K Shenoy, India |
Aug 31, 2010 |
I doubt with that peon's empty cerebral hemisphere in you, it may be a blank result;-))
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leave him alone dp maam. he is a stuntman with stents, living life dangerously. |
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Aug 31, 2010 |
How you ended up in "Nitte" for engineering instead of better colleges like RV, PESIT, BMS, MS Ramayya.... - DP at his nonsense as usual!
DP, have I told you that I got a seat in MCE - Malnad College of Engg, Hassan for E and I (Electrical & Electronics) under Mysore Univ when I first joined - and that was on merit when the cut off rank for ANY engg seat in the WHOLE of Karnataka was below 1200! Hardly 5-6 years down the line, lots of colleges opened up stupid reservations such as - 'Konkani speaking quota' etc and people who go ranks of 12,000 - 18,000 cold get a seat Manipal! [MIT]
However, since I didn't quite like Hassan as a place (although MCE had a great faculty, sports facilities such as a swimming pool, a Hockey ground, a great gym etc), I quit and took up my entrance exams the next year again and chose ONLY Nitte for Mechanical Engg.
Tx for asking! If nothing, it shows you are JUST another ignoramus whose tongue and imagination go wild with a tipple of the blessed spirits!
As I told you before, you hardly know me from Adam's Apple although we have met on some occasions and have had a drink or two!
Incidentally, don't speak of colleges you haven't even had the fortune of setting foot into and gauge them like it is Corp Bank's mortgaged property, As Pai would corroborate, B'lore University has a yearly graduation system while M'lore and Mysore had the semester system! Meaning - if a chap in B'lore Univ could carry his 1st year papers right up to his 4th year and even beyond. In M & M Univ's, one would get nuked for carrying a 1st sem paper into his 4th or 5th sem!
DP! Time and again, I have told you to avoid showing ample proof of your Foot-in-the-Mouth Syndrome. YET, you persist! Gosh! You MUST be loving gnawing the corns on your gnarled feet! I guess ONLY the self-styled "GREAT" can afford that luxury or inconvenience!
Good luck with you and your genius pal from Al Khobar! Unfortunate but true, you haven't really hob-nobbed with SCADA specialists from Siemens or ABB! hence, you pass verdict and say "aye" JUST on a link/website/claim!
P.S.: I hope your Bank peon shrink didn't ask you to pose me such a stupid Q! Pity on you, DP! |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Aug 31, 2010 |
It is sad to hear that you are using the name of deceased person died in cross firing in Al-Khobar to justify your claim - V R Shetty
We all have seen the LinkedIn URL posted by Chris Rego. There is little doubt that B P Putran is one more Mangalorean who has earned a name for himself in his chosen profession. Accept my wishes Sir and may you inspire the Mogaveera community in particular and Mangalorean youngsters on a whole.
V R Shetty's horrible claims can be proven wrong by B P Putran now. All he has to do is, login to his LinkedIn Profile, change his surname from Putran to Puthran (an H is included) and update it. The URL is anyways known to all of us. That will show us how much of truth or false is present in VRS' horrific claims.
But my only wish is hope a day won't come when the writers of this forum have to possess a special UID Card or give Birth Certificate number to random people to prove their identity and existence. Only the webmaster can ensure that this doesn't happen. |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Aug 31, 2010 |
Krishna was bigger play boy than anyone until this date? - The Guru - Atheist.
Did you read the penultimate line? 'Rubbishing this is no blasphemy'. So take some more pleasure of rubbishing :)
After seeing that inspiring tune on Doordarshan sponsored by 'Lok Seva Sanchar Parishad' where sportspersons like P T Usha, B S Venkat, E A S Prasanna, Milkha Singh, Prakash Padukone, Sunil Gavaskar, Kapil Dev all ran exchanging mantle from one another, I literally started calling Kapil as 'KapilaNNa'. Does it mean I am Kapil Dev's younger brother? I also grew up seeing Shaktiman, He Man, Spider Man, Common Man et al. Similarly, I saw the Mahabharata of the B R Films, Krishna of Ramanand Sagar. All these characters have interested me as all are about power, strength, intelligence, positive influence etc. So one among aaaaaaaaaaaaall these is that poor chap called Krishna.
Who told you I worship him? Don't make such false allegations as my other childhood favourites like He Man and Shaktiman and others might feel I am being partial!
But now that you told me Krishna was a PLAYBOY, nothing can stop me from worshipping him. I don't have Krishna Idol. But that's OK, I will keep NICHOLAS SARKOZY's newspaper cutout. I have already ordered Oodubatti, Karpoora, Kempu Kumkuma, Hoovu (alankaarakke), Phala Vastu (neivedyakke), hattu roopayiya hattu noTugaLu haagoo ondu roopayiya ondu naaNya (bhaTrige Rs. 101 dakshiNe) |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Aug 31, 2010 |
Thanks for the best wishes Nazeer Saab. Like they say, "I am Fine Thank You", me in that mode as of now. I hope you are following the scandal-hit Pakistan tour of England. Let us know what you feel of it. I have composed a Krishna eulogy. Hope you liked it :)
Chris,
Not cheesed off with you or anybody brother.
Coming to Pakistan Cricket, do you remember atleast a 6-month period when it has been completely 'crisis-free'? Their Cricket has always been a miniature version of their National State of affairs i.e. 'Always in news for wrong reasons'. Pakistan Cricket needs a leader like the inspirational Wasim Akram or Imran Khan. Their one call or roar could knit the team together, such was their charisma.
Indians on the other hand should not grin too much on Pakistan's plight as our own CWG 2010 is in a mess and the '2-month long April Fool' aka IPL is no charity but 'legal gambling' by taking Ministers and Businessmen into confidence. Harsha Bhogle says "Disappointed but not surprised" over the current disaster. Why will he be surprised when he knows well what IPL was all about!
But Mr. Asif Ali Zardari (or shall we call him AAZ?) saying "These guys have put our heads down in shame" is surprising. This AAZ, popularly called 'Mr. 10%' is the same guy who offered a 'hug' and described Shrimati Sarah Palin as 'gorgeous' when his own gorgeous wife died less than an year ago. He did not even know how to behave and what words to use while representing his own country on a diplomatic tour!
Oh yeah, flipping statements on the 26/11 matter, rejecting and then admitting that Kasab is a Pakistani, using our dossiers to wipe the inappropriate place, launching his son Bilawal in Birmingham when his own countrymen are suffering from the worst ever floods are all a matter of 'National pride' and has given reasons to 'hold heads sky high'.
Banning Pakistan as requested by some quarters is no solution as that will not be the end of bookies. Rest of the Cricket playing nations too are formed by human beings who can easily be bought by money. Till the time Cricket is a Business and not a Sport, corruption in various forms will continue. It can be as simple as what side of the coin will the Captain call at toss or who will face an 'injury' between the 40-45th over! Ricky Ponting has once again BIG MOUTHED and is using this incident as 'Whites v/s Sub-continent' when he has conveniently forgotten that the first ones to be involved in match-fixing were his own team-mates - Shane Warne, Mark Waugh along with Tim May. He also forgot that Damien Martyn revealed that the reason for his shocking retirement amidst Ashes 2006 was his ugly verbal spat with team-mate Justin Langer and this was revealed for a 'few dollars' offered by a local tabloid and ironically, Ricky Ponting himself was the captain of that team then!!
Anyways, there are talks of 'cleansing' making rounds as if it will be done by our Sachin's newly endorsed product 'Ujala Techno Bright'. The ODI Series between Pakistan and England should be called off or the accused players should be suspended from all forms and levels of Cricket and if found guilty, life ban should be slapped on them. The forefathers of these Pakistani players created a separate nation based on RELIGION and during the Holy Month of Ramzaan, these players have got into such cheap acts of selling their Nation's pride, the same nation for which their forefathers fought tooth and nail. One can only hope that Shoaib Malik will not come forward and repeat the speech he made after losing T20 WC 2007.
But did you notice something? Fixing can happen in Cricket even with no balls! (Pun intended) :) |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Aug 31, 2010 |
Steve alias Ravi,
Your posts are running dry. You need to have more contents. Just to let you know - repeating the word 'RSS' doesn't create any contents in your posts. You need to start answering the questions raised, you need to start providing the historical facts and other references.
Hope you feel better. |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Aug 31, 2010 |
Dear Putran,
Thanks for your very balanced, mature responses to sarcastic remarks on you and your qualifications.
Also, thanks for not taking the bait by 'imaginary' characters on this forum to divide readers based on caste and start a caste-war.
Peace. |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Aug 31, 2010 |
"By the way, is it true that you actually live in Dubai? " - Shenoy maam to imaginary 'VRS'.
Shenoy maam,
Let me make a small correction. Instead of 'Dubai', make it 'UAE'. Did you also know that 'smitha rai', 'steve', 'ravi' and 'vrs' - all these are creations of a well-known 'dashaavataari' on this forum?
Smiles... |
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| D.P.Kumar, India |
Aug 31, 2010 |
my close friend Lawrence Monis.-B.P.Puthran
You reminded me of a great soul.
That is one of the many incidents that made me wonder at the cruel fate or the most unexpected way Yama and dhootas work!
There was no cause or reason for him to be killed at that particular point of time at that place. Is it end May, 2005?
Have you come across Panakaje Hamid on any friday at Lawrence' house? |
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| D.P.Kumar, India |
Aug 31, 2010 |
Chris,
You have gone too far. Just look at your background. How you ended up in "Nitte" for engineering instead of better colleges like RV, PESIT, BMS, MS Ramayya....
Just look at the other person on whom you tried to throw the mud. You have drawn blank.
Try Rewind. I doubt with that peon's empty cerebral hemisphere in you, it may be a blank result;-))
Don't think that you are the genius of all. |
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| The Guru - Athiest, India |
Aug 31, 2010 |
Nagendra Shenoy
Did you ever seen Krishna in person or have seen any person who has seen Krishna? Why people always fantasize these self made lords? Did Krishna told to celebrate birthday? Krishna was bigger play boy than anyone until this date? How can such a play boy be lord to millions of people? Why people will not understand that ultimate religion is science. |
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Aug 31, 2010 |
I did not say qualities OF the formless; qualities are manifest in form. Every quality and quantity indicates form. The form manifests qualities. - Kiran
Oh now, you backtrack, say that I'm struggling with your lingo (that'll be the day!) and say you didn't say whatever you did, eh? that's why I said - READ your stuff again and let me know what it implies. Your sentence clearly says that qualities of the formless manifest themselves in the form!
Probably, if you had rephrased your sentence, this debate wouldn't have cropped up. |
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| Nazeer, Saudi Arabia |
Aug 31, 2010 |
Nagendra,
Is this beautiful poem written by you?
Short but sweet. Welcome back to EYT.
Regards,
Nazeer |
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Aug 31, 2010 |
I got this recoginition because of my contribution to business community, - Putran
Being into Oil, Gas and Infrastructure - Water & Power, and as I'd mentioned before, "heading" design and systems integration holds a different connotation for me than heading - as in Sales & Business Development.
Nonetheless, that's cool, mate and explains a lot. I'm sold, and no more questions absolutely
Cheers. |
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium |
Aug 31, 2010 |
BP Puthran - Now you have shown that you really ride Konkan railway with my dubai trip. Where I have mentioned that I will come to Dubai? read my comments again and again.
Before asking me why you do not go to your home land (and you do have passport of India) and fight against all these terrorists and then you can brag.
Freedom fighters are only Brahmins, looks like you have not read history better have some time to read history in fact Brahmins were acting as tratiors of India helping British.
It is sad to hear that you are using the name of deceased person died in cross firing in Al-Khobar to justify your claim, please do not stoop to that level, non technical person can head PLC that can be agreed (but hard to digest) but do not claim someone died. |
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium |
Aug 31, 2010 |
Ashraf UAE - Better you direct that question to Brahmins Maha Guru traitor Mohan Bhagwat what is the critera to be Indian? he will tell you at drop of hat that he should embrace Hindu religion.
So that clarifies your stand on secular. |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Aug 31, 2010 |
Not born in palatial bungalows
Not brought up in riches
Equality was the policy
Slayed at will the witches
Approach was authoritarian
'Power Distance' was alien
Teachings were major
Practiced 'Dignity of Labour'
Always wore a smile
To be beaten was so agile
Rubbishing this claim is no blasphemy
Enjoy Sri Krishna Janmashtami |
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| B.P. Putran, Saudi Arabia |
Aug 31, 2010 |
| Hello Mr. Chris, FYI you dont have to be a 100% technical guy to lead the department, experience makes man perfect, hope you are aware of this fact, I dont want to use the word "I" here but its a fact that we are representing two of largest companies in Uk and India to carry out PLC job at both Aramco and Sabic. let us forget these personal stuff, since you tried to probe me I had to answer you back, Let me share you another bit of information (your reply to DPK) its no wonder sales people gets who is who recognition, I got this recoginition because of my contribution to business community, I sold my process control insrumentation, sytem integration company to a shaikh in Riyadh, and since then I am working As GM for this company, hope I clarified your saracastic remark. above statement mentioned are "WIHTOUT PREJUDICE" |
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| Kiran, USA |
Aug 31, 2010 |
"it is not the snake that is worshiped, it is the formless behind the form that is worshiped, which manifests certain qualities in this form" --Kiran
Who spoke about "certain qualities" of the formless and who said it is a "manifestation" in the form? YOU, right? Neeve allva, saar? --Chris Rego
I see you are still struggling with my earlier sentence. Don't worry, it is a bit complicated. I did not say qualities OF the formless; qualities are manifest in form. Every quality and quantity indicates form. The form manifests qualities. The formless is the efficient cause and the material cause, but is nirguNa (no qualities) and avyakta (un-manifest). I looked up m-w.com as you suggested and it had the following meaning for manifest: readily perceived by the senses ... that is good enough for me. I used the word in the sense of vyakta and avyakta (expressed or manifest and unmanifest). A form can be understood as an expression available for perception by our senses.
Now, do you understand my original sentence ?
Chris, have patience. I did post a response to your questions. mangalorean.com will display it when they give it a go. |
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| Kiran, USA |
Aug 31, 2010 |
I don't need to prep up Christianity, mate! It has and will 'stand' by itself. A mere mortal like me can do little to 'prep' it up. --Chris Rego
What ?!! It will be difficult to maintain a conversation if you are unable to get the exact meaning from my sentences. I did not say prep up Christianity, I said prep up your idea of your religion - your understanding of your religion. There is a huge difference between what is out there and what little we understand and build concepts in our minds, based on our incremental understanding (little by little).
"the form is a superimposition and not a reality." -- translation
doesn't your usage of the words "manifests certain qualities" negate what the above-mentioned text says about "not a reality"? That is - the worshiper BELIEVES that certain traits/qualities of the formless will come-on to the object of worship. Doesn't that translate to 'REALITY'? --Chris Rego
Since the context of the above translation is meditation, it is conveying the difficulty of our minds which are often compared to the unsteady, unpredictable nature of a monkey. A beginner practicing meditation can have his/her mind wander all over the place, if the dhyana vishaya or the object of meditation is not sufficiently complex, like a difficult mantra. As the mind comes under greater control by a regular practice of meditation, one can move on to easier and simpler mantras or subtler objects (like a mental image of a candle flame, etc). Patanjali Yogasutras also recommend that one go through various stages of subtlety before one is ready for Nirvikalpa Samadhi or Asamprajnata Samadhi. Even then, there is no meditation on the formless.
The second part of your question deals with superimposition not being a reality. While superimposition is probably a translation close enough to the concept of upaadhi or upadaana. However, the translation of not a reality is a poor translation to the concept of maya or mithya. The empirical reality of the world is also a reality, but considered a secondary reality. We all know instinctively that it is a reality; if we bump into a wall we will get bruised. It is a secondary reality because, its reality depends on an underlying reality. The metaphors used can confuse people into misunderstanding the concept of maya/mithya. If I give an example of the image we see in a mirror is a secondary reality of what it actually reflects, then it will give rise to the idea that the secondary realities are illusions or not real. However, if I give an example of water being a secondary reality because its reality depends on Hydrogen and Oxygen (H20), then it is a little more appropriate, because water is also a reality and the underlying Hydrogen and Oxygen are also realities. Water can never be a reality manifest unless Hydrogen and Oxygen are manifest and they in turn cannot be real unless there is reality in electrons, protons and neutrons, which depends on the reality of quarks, and so on. Water is just the name of a particular arrangement (form) of Hydrogen and Oxygen atoms. Therefore, one could argue that there is no water only Hydrogen and Oxygen (in some pattern). Further, one could argue that atoms are only an arrangement of electrons, protons and neutrons, and so on, which are all forms of the underlying form. So we see only form; Where is the substance of the form ?
Let me stop here. I think you got the idea (correctly, I hope). |
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| B.P. Puthran, Saudi Arabia |
Aug 31, 2010 |
| Dear Ashraf, a befitting reply to VRS, congrats Ashraf you opened up pandoras box. |
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| B.P. Puthran, Saudi Arabia |
Aug 31, 2010 |
| Hello, certainly I will make it a point to visit you, in your note in this column you informed the readers that you live in Dubai go back and look at your own statements. based on your statement I invited you to meet me, I will visit you in Belgium mark my word provided you let me know your location. I wont brag here, I just replying to you, for your outburst against freedom fighters who are Brahmins. voilence in any forms are against humanity, Saudi arabia herself is victim of terrorism by certain elements based in Afghanistan and yemen. and I lost one of my close friend Lawrence Monis. your own statement makes me to feel that you support voilence and terrorism, whah, whah. Why cant you join RSS band wagon, SIMI, or some Mujahideen organisation? thats a right place for you, what you doing in a western country fighting to eliminate terrorism on this plannet. |
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| K.RAO, India |
Aug 31, 2010 |
"When naaga is worshiped, it is not the snake that is worshiped, it is the formless behind the form that is worshiped, which manifests certain qualities in this form", doesn't your usage of the words "manifests certain qualities" negate what the above-mentioned text says about "not a reality"? That is - the worshiper BELIEVES that certain traits/qualities of the formless will come-on to the object of worship. Doesn't that translate to 'REALITY'? Your clarifications/thoughts, please."
Sorry - a slight deviation from the discussion!
There is one more belief that Nagaaradhane is to satisfy the departed souls of our ancestors by praying to naaaga souls of ancestors may be pleased. This again may not be acceptable to those who do not believe in rebirths (Punarjanma) or theory of KARMA.
However more noteworthy and dearer to my heart is that- we come across many 'NAAGA BANA" or assigned forest for "naaga" all over the coastal belt. It is forbidden to cut trees here and people fear to tread thru these small gardens. The ritual apart, had this custom previaled all over India we could have saved majority of our depleted forest wealth. Here we must applaud the wisdom of our ancestors for their contribution in preserving the environment! |
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| B.P. Puthran, Saudi Arabia |
Aug 31, 2010 |
| Hello Chris, anyone can learn anything with experience and the available of technology in this world, yes indeed i am very open in my profile (never claimed that I am an Engineer) but at the same time I am leading a group of engineers as head of the department, any issues Mr. Rego, we just finished the site visit of the plant you named in your writings for system integration (sabic) we dont provide false statements to public forums including FB, Linkedin or tweeter like someone does here in this column, bye the by i will be in Abudhabi for Adipec show with my VP. Hope to see you over there. |
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| Nazeer, Saudi Arabia |
Aug 31, 2010 |
Nagendra Shenoy.
Dear Nagendra, where are you brother? I haven't seen any activities from you these days. I am really missing you in EYT.
Please join us soon.
Have a good time.
Regards,
Nazeer |
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| Guru, India |
Aug 31, 2010 |
The spelling is Pratibha or Prathibha as that word is pronounced. It is not "Prathiba".
Please rewrite hundred times;-) |
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| Nazeer, Saudi Arabia |
Aug 31, 2010 |
Dear brother K. Shenoy, Thank you for your kind invitation for the friendship.
I am accepting it wholeheartedly.
In fact I have already forgotten your past comment and I don't even remember what was the subject then.
Friendship is a horizon - which expands whenever we approach it.
I will be sending an e-mail shortly. Please reply when you recieve it.
With Warm Regards,
Nazeer
(nazeeradil@gmail.com) |
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Aug 31, 2010 |
DP, what a crappy whinging chap you've turned out to be! Don't you know that ANYBODY can have their professional profile on LinkedIn? One doesn't even need to be a professional to get on in there! An award for Sales is different.
Incidentally, I didn't hear a whimper on my previous mail regarding questionable claims! I didn't expect much from you in the first place coz you are as open-minded as a blind blinkered horse! If you were to have this lil grey matter, you'd have realized that a non-technical chap would hardly "head" systems integration for SA and SABIC. But then, that's the way ex-bankers are, I guess! Just because they fork out depositors moolah, they think they know-all and own everything! Irna mishtik atthe ye, dhani! Au professional Hazard! :)
Awards are given for Sales and that's where our pal gets a mention! Get wise a bit and don't give in to your syndrome in each and every post! Go and see that bank Peon, light some candles or Agarbatthis..... breathe in deep... do some Yoga.
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Mr. Putran, no issues with whatever you do. It was JUST that I found that a non-technical "heading" systems integration a bit too hard to digest. If you'd been a lil more honest and said - Sales, I'd have been OK.
By saying - "I drew a blank" on LinkedIn, it looks like you didn't quite comprehend me. I pasted the ONLY profile I found and after going through it, found that it looked highly unlikely for "heading" .. you know what!
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DP, don't forget the Yoga AFTER seeing your Bank Peon Shrink! :) |
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Aug 31, 2010 |
PS: Ramanna is hospitalised and the surgeon is planning on emergency surgery. - Shenoy R.
Did Ramanna sms/chat with you on his Blackberry from the ICU, Shenoy'maam?
The bodybuilder punched your pal on the stomach, you said, right? So what do you plan to do with Ramanna - a bypass or install a pacemaker? I hope Ramanna has some insurance and you're OK with a delayed payment! :) |
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| K.RAO, India |
Aug 31, 2010 |
"Just curious.....are you by chance a Free Mason"
Dear Dony ,
I am humbled by your remarks. No I am not a Free Mason.
rgds |
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Aug 31, 2010 |
Chris, pichakk!!! Even an ordinary Bank peon can understand your brain condition. - DP
My, oh My! Don't tell me that you were going to your Corporation Bank's Peon all this time for some serious ailment upstairs, JUST to save a few paise's here and there!
Looks like he (Corp Bank Peon) has done a wonderful job on you as your "pichakk" bears ample testimony to the fact! Tx but no tx, DP, you can stick with your Bank Peon shrink.
Another Foot-in-the-Mouth Syndrome, case, I'm afraid! |
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Aug 31, 2010 |
Qualities are present only in forms. This puts a big question on your intelligence or lack thereof. - Kiran
Look what you wrote - O' great mind (besides DP)! - "it is not the snake that is worshiped, it is the formless behind the form that is worshiped, which manifests certain qualities in this form"
Take a GOOD look at your statement, open www.m-w.com, type in "manifest" and you'll realize that you've put you foot in your mouth. Who spoke about "certain qualities" of the formless and who said it is a "manifestation" in the form? YOU, right? Neeve allva, saar?
Quick gun Kiran (M'lore's answer to Quick Gun Murugan), that's what happens when you get TOO quick on the draw - like those fabled Westerns. You shoot yourself in the foot and as first-aid - you have to shove it right up your mouth!
After that no-show, It should be I who should be asking questions about your "intelligence". |
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Aug 31, 2010 |
Let the fake person also join Chris if at all he is in Dubai. 03rd September. - Puthran
Tx for the invite but I live in Abu Dhabi and have some prior commitments on the appointed date. Sorry I looked you up on LinkedIn - but then you must realize that all that is in open space.
Nope, I didn't look up our Belgian connection. He had made his agenda clear - that he had an axe to grind against certain 'elite' class/es owing to some injustice done to his near and dear ones. Now, don't ask me how far that is true coz if I were to type in the pertinent words, Google would hang-up!
If you'd like to be in touch with me, please drop a line to the webmaster and he would oblige you with my email address. |
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| Puttur Dinesh, USA |
Aug 31, 2010 |
Savyasachi
No one cares if Obama is Muslim or Mormon, the issue is presidents loud mouth. he has to give his opinion on everything be it the black professor's arrest at Harvard or the mosque. He could have just said everyone has the right to practice their relgion and stayed away from mentioning the mosque at ground zero. The next day he retracts his statement. Doesn't the President have any other issues than being a judge between two parties. November election will show who is the Daddy and in 2012 it will "No you can't Obama" |
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium |
Aug 31, 2010 |
| BP Putran - I am PIO - person of Indian origin and on what basis are you trying to tell the Muslims while sitting in Saudi Arabia that they have to abjure violence - that is called duplicity and why shall I visit Dubai -if you are that keen to come you can visit me in Belgium - Why are you such a bragger? or are you trying to impress someone in this forum? |
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| Jayan, UAE |
Aug 31, 2010 |
We do not find a single muslim educated to openly condemn the Kashmiri seperatists. ......Om shetty
You are being a educated Did you denounce water tight compartment of 'casteism' - an inhuman social system??? |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Aug 31, 2010 |
is it your home made masala or RSS masala-V R S
Actually you should know what masala you have used V R S. If you have forgotten that so soon, no problem. People remember your posts with the same old stale masala about R S S.
By the way, is it true that you actually live in Dubai? Why are you ashamed to admit that man? |
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| Adil, Qatar |
Aug 31, 2010 |
It would have been very difficult for it to survive the modern day pseudo secularism if it was not for the RSS to put the resistance.Every Hindu must be thankful to RSS. ....Om shetty
What about BC's, daliths and adivasis.??? |
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| Ashraf, UAE |
Aug 31, 2010 |
we need you in this forum for secular mask with communal aim. Your comment has shown your true colour that RSS chelas are always behind back they do not come in front. ..............VRS to shenoy
Mr. VRS; your point is that if one has to be secular the first qualification he should be non-brahmin. |
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| B.P. Puthran, Saudi Arabia |
Aug 31, 2010 |
| Nazeer saheb, I replied to your email id from my aol account with my contact number, please visit my office 24th cross, king Abdulaziz boulevard, ALKhobar. Waiting for your confirmation. |
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| B.P. Puthran, Saudi Arabia |
Aug 31, 2010 |
| Prathibaji, you are wasting your time and energy shouting here but nothing is going to change the system. Instead of wasting our time here accusing each other, absuing one particular community or religion, questioning the identity of real people, it would be better we discuss here so many burning issues back home like child labor, dowry system, bride burning, corruption, degradation of envoirnment inclding deforstation, clean drinking water, health care for poor etc., some people here knows only hurling accuses but personal contribution towards soceity at large is zero. so my request with you guys, please let us join together and find a solution for those burning issues neglected by our political leaders for long time, In this respect I salute Sr. judith. |
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| B.P. Putran, Saudi Arabia |
Aug 31, 2010 |
| Hello DP Kumar, I feel that Chris Rego is a proffessional man he knows what is talking about, but instead of probing me he should have probed some fake people here in this column spitting venoms falsly claming that he is from Belgium, abjured inidan passport 17 years ago, if that is true, he has no right to be here speaking about India he should join european union websites and debate there. I would like to meet Chris in Dubai, (anybody can visit me in tweeter, Linkedin, FB, and so many forums related to oil and gas industry. Let the fake person also join Chris if at all he is in Dubai. 03rd September. |
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| DONY LOBO, Milagres, Mangalooru,Doha, Qatar |
Aug 31, 2010 |
“i am open to suggestions from mature seniors like dony lobo, austin prabhu, kudpi shenoy….”K Shenoy, India
Dear Shenoybaab,
My humble thanks to you for placing me in the company of eminent people, and even though I feel I do not deserve this honour, however I humbly bow my head and fold my hands greeting you “Namaskar” accept your kind words as a “Certificate” from one of the most celebrated contributor in the E.Y.T |
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| DONY LOBO, MILAGRES, DOHA,, Qatar |
Aug 31, 2010 |
“Muslims do not believe in separation of church and state”… Tony, USA:
Dear Tonyji,
Your statement is too generalized. Bangladesh, Malaysia, Indonesia, Turkey, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt, Algeria,Tunis. Kazakstan, Kirgystan, etc. are also Muslim countries which I do not think come under the above description.
Besides may be you did not realize the implications of your using the word “church and state” rather than “religion and state”….while referring to the Muslims way of governance....and I still do not believe it just doesn't matter if Obama is Christian or Muslim. By his constant Bangalore bashing, and repeated expression of outrage against outsourcing speaks volumes of his attitude about Indians. |
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| D.P.Kumar, India |
Aug 31, 2010 |
Former Mayor K. Ashraf is the present Corporator from our area. Instead of being a helpful person, he has been problem creator.
A few months back, I am told, he sent his personnel to dig the road in front of our apartment. Even after several months the dug out portion is not filled in.
On complaining to the MCC, I am asked to contact the corporator. His mobile number was given to me. Till date, the same could not be connected!!!
After his winning the seat as corporator, he has never visited the area.
Similarly, petty shops are removed, destroyed and road side vegetable and other vendors who are from lower strata of society are driven. But no action has been taken against BIg sharks who have violated building norms, raised their buildings with encroachment, who do not allow road widening, who sell parking space in their buildings for shops etc.
Alas, the elections are fought and won on the basis of religion; and people seem to be unaware of their rights and reasons for their plights. |
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Aug 31, 2010 |
I did not respond to that part of his comment as we have seen, time and again, his attempt to malign Hinduism to artificially prep up his idea of his religion, so that he can feel better about himself. - Kiran
I don't need to prep up Christianity, mate! It has and will 'stand' by itself. A mere mortal like me can do little to 'prep' it up.
Regarding my "attempt to malign Hinduism", you couldn't be further away from the truth. Once again, it too has stood for ages and shall too.
The unfortunate problem with you is that, you like to read ONLY what you WANT to read. And if ever somebody else or I go against your preconceived notions and raise questions, you are a tad too quick to label it as "anti Hinduism" or whatever. It becomes absolutely laughable when my comments on RSS/VHP etc are clubbed as "anti-Hindu' or 'maligning Hinduism' etc. Pretty much unfortunate, isn't it? You seem to have a balanced head atop your shoulders. Hence, don''t let yourself down, mate.
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To revert to your earlier post, you must be a great believer in what Krishna said - "It is much more difficult to focus on God as the un-manifested, than God with form, due to human beings having the need to perceive via the senses". On that account, I agree 100% coz all of us rely largely on our senses to relate or connect.
Further, Vishnu Samhita, an ancient ritual text, persuasively endorses the use of imagery and puts it:
"Without a form how can God be mediated upon? If (He is) without any form, where will the mind fix itself? When there is nothing for the mind to attach itself to, it will slip away from meditation or will glide into a state of slumber. Therefore the wise will meditate on some form, remembering, however, that the form is a superimposition and not a reality."
So, if you take a look at what you wrote - "When naaga is worshiped, it is not the snake that is worshiped, it is the formless behind the form that is worshiped, which manifests certain qualities in this form", doesn't your usage of the words "manifests certain qualities" negate what the above-mentioned text says about "not a reality"? That is - the worshiper BELIEVES that certain traits/qualities of the formless will come-on to the object of worship. Doesn't that translate to 'REALITY'? Your clarifications/thoughts, please. |
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| Judith L, India |
Aug 31, 2010 |
This is exactly how we function in our Basic Christian Community to see that the basic needs of our community are met. Now, coming to the nation, the same strategy as you said can be applied but who will take the risk, as you have seen the RTI activist are killed for asking an explaination. Our Country desperately needs one more revolution but till then what about the basic necessities of poor people.
I invite other like minded also, to give their comments. |
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium |
Aug 31, 2010 |
| Shenoy - Which Masala Shenoy(: is it your home made masala or RSS masala, did you get constipated, you better watch your health we need you in this forum for secular mask with communal aim. Your comment has shown your true colour that RSS chelas are always behind back they do not come in front. |
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| Om Shetty, India |
Aug 31, 2010 |
It has created a great resistance of modern time against the tirade of pseudo secularism.
Even though Hinduism survived the tirade of Muslms in the middle age
It would have been very difficult for it to survive the modern day pseudo secularism if it was not for the RSS to put the resistance.
Every Hindu must be thankful to RSS. |
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| Austin Noronha, Qatar |
Aug 31, 2010 |
I am perplexed why your diodes and Cathodes do not work with fake Shetty, Steve and such fanatics? - NSS
NSS my comment was aimed at those who were in favour of ban on cow slaughter. Did VRS & Steve comment in favour of ban any time? Hope this clarifies your doubt. |
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| Ganprix, France |
Aug 31, 2010 |
Hi Managloreans,
We would like to see Indian Movie star Jackie Shoreff's movie directed by Subhash Ghai on any International theme or character.
We are sure to have melodious music and eye pleasing pictures.
Can it be made possible ?
Merci, |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Aug 31, 2010 |
"It matters whether Obama is Christian or Muslim. Muslims do not believe in separation of church and state." - Tony, USA
So, you apply the same logic in Indian politics as well? Going by your logic, almost 18% of India's population is not fit to participate in secular democracy.
Just curious - Did you support Congress(Indira)? |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Aug 31, 2010 |
Savyasaachi,
Thanks for understanding what I wrote on Indian rivers. I honestly don't expect 'Steve alias Ravi' to understand or appreciate these as he has been "programmed" to hate the native culture.
Coming to the pollution of our rivers today - yes - it is very dissappointing. We have turned into a very selfish society with little respect to our own country, natural resources and culture.
Why rivers? Take a look at the local ponds ('kere' in kannada). We have successfully killed most of the local ponds to turn them into apartments or houses.
Remember - DP maam wrote about 'mother earth'. And you wrote on how there is a difference between 'training' we get at local institutions and 'Jnyaaana'. All these point at what we have lost over generations as a society. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Aug 30, 2010 |
and I feel that something is burning from inside...(:
- V R S
That is the masala from day before burning your back. So watch it man. |
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| Steve, Australia |
Aug 30, 2010 |
"Steve, if you don't mind, you may review as to whether such 'hate a community in isolation' would serve any purpose" - D P Kumar, who believes that I hate Brahmins.
Dear D P Kumar,
Please go through my posts. Nowhere have I said that Brahmins or for that matter any community should be liked or hated.
A community does not have a collective mind-set or conscience. A community does not collectively decide what it should do or how it should annihilate another community. If it does happen, it would be an extremely rare event.
However, when foreigners go to a new place, they may treat the local people differently, because they don't know/understand the local culture.
Brahmins make up a community. So do Hindus, Christians, Muslims, Aborigines etc. And there are communities within these communities.
Each of these communities does not decide anything collectively - how to tackle another community.
It is the individuals and organisations - who often act to deliberately create hatred among people. Organisations exist for some purpose. The purpose why RSS exists is to create fear and mayhem.
It is the individuals and organisations that sow the seeds of hatred.
When many Indians write about British, they are talking about a community. But it was the British Government - an organisation - that controlled parts of India. Not the British community.
When RSS (an organisation) writes about other communities like Christians, it is deliberate malice. RSS writes again and again that all Christians go about converting people. RSS propagates even worse views about another minority.
Then the RSS chelas, who have been brainwashed, also write that a certain community caused this problem and that problem to their dear country. Just as the other day, someone writes on EYT if any Christians ever achieved anything in India.
The communities - whether Hindus, Christians, Muslims, Aborigines etc - do not achieve anything. It is the individuals within the community that achieve something/anything.
If you follow Kiran's writing, all evil present in India is caused by certain communities. Original Pai's writing is no different. He blames the communities.
Is the head priest of Pejawar any different? He has always blamed certain communities. |
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| Kiran, USA |
Aug 30, 2010 |
MUMBAI: A Right to Information (RTI) activist who was in the forefront in exposing corruption in PDS, foodgrain and fuel distribution in the Marathwada region has been found dead in Nanded. --Judith
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/13-lakh-tonnes-of-grain-wasted-SC-commissioners/articleshow/6464369.cms |
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| K Shenoy, India |
Aug 30, 2010 |
nazeer saheb, i must have hurt your feelings some days ago with my arrogant post. i apologise unconditionally for that, and may i ask you to be my friend forever
I am totally blown out by your recent posts in eyt that are strong enough to build up amicable relationship within mangaloreans.
hats off to you bro'
my e-mail id is formal88@gmail.com. |
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| K Shenoy, India |
Aug 30, 2010 |
lot of leg pulling and character assassination happening here since a few weeks.
i must confess, i never expected this august forum to see this black day, where friends become enemies and unknown people attack known scholars.
let's stop this nonsense here and try to find peaceful and amicable solution to see mangaloreans rule the world.
it is within us, and we must understand how to make that change.
i am open to suggestions from mature seniors like dony lobo, austin prabhu, kudpi shenoy, lancy pinto naik, edwin jf d'souza and others who have seen the world better than us. |
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| Tony, USA |
Aug 30, 2010 |
| It matters whether Obama is Christian or Muslim. Muslims do not believe in separation of church and state. America has a long record of religious liberty. There will be religious liberty when Muslims control the state. |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Aug 30, 2010 |
Dear Savysaachi,
You made good points on today's youth who are 'trained' in educational institutions. However, they lack the 'knowledge'.
In a slightly different way we see this in all areas. It's like one of those mridangam artists who can play amazing 'tani aavartanam' after hours and hours of daily practice, but lack the right 'mano dharma' to deliver a good experience to rasikas. |
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| K Shenoy, India |
Aug 30, 2010 |
observing the standards of certain people here, I don't think chris can stoop to that low level with assumed names. yet, I have my own observations that I may reveal at a later date.
show must go on....like raj kapoor saab said in mera naam joker.
happy gokulashtami mangys.
avoid artificial colours as you wear bannada vesha this ashtami. your complexion may change forever. |
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| Kiran, USA |
Aug 30, 2010 |
When u r praying to a statue of Jesus (I have great respect for him) are praying to the statue or taking it as symbolic representation of Jesus? --K Rao to Chris Rego
Same goes for the symbolic representation of a Cross. The Cross has a special meaning and significance on the altar that a similar structure in the form of a telephone pole does not carry. I did not respond to that part of his comment as we have seen, time and again, his attempt to malign Hinduism to artificially prep up his idea of his religion, so that he can feel better about himself. |
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| Kiran, USA |
Aug 30, 2010 |
Kiran, I liked what I read that was written by you reg. it is Indian Government's duty to provide the necessities of citizens. But how can this be implemented is a big question mark. It is the Govt's "dont care attitude" and the people's "chalta hai attitude" which will never bring and end to the miseries of our Country. --Judith
Thanks Judith!!
Yes, I agree. it is a monumental task to turn around the Government's dont care and chaltha hai attitude and you rightly pointed out that the first step has to do with the people's chaltha hai attitude. Unfortunately, this attitude has been ingrained into the psyche of the people for 60+ years. Even after all these years, we have not attained mental freedom to fully realize that it is a Government of the People (no matter what party is in power). Most importantly, people have to realize that the ONLY reason for existence of the Government is "for the people". Nothing else.
The problem is that an individual has been rendered powerless in a huge (world's largest) democracy, because of the large size of the electorate, one vote does not matter, nor does two or ten, even hundred. There is only power in numbers. A thousand votes can make a difference. That is how the caste and religion cards are played time and again. Instead, the people have to play the numbers game with the politicians. All the unions know this very well and get their demands met. There are groups like KCCI, Karnataka Union of Working Journalists (KUWJ), this Horata Sammiti and that, Bus Owners Association, Auto unions, etc with their own specific unions. We need a citizens union vigilante groups, with no agenda, except to monitor all activities of the elected representatives (sort of a watch dog) and egg them (and I do not mean throw eggs) to hold regular meetings with constituents to discuss solutions to their problems. This way, the people know first hand that the elected representatives are only there to serve the people instead of all talk about Janata Seva, Janardana Seva, etc., with nothing tangible. The independent media is supposed to be doing this, but they can easily be bullied or bought over. Let the representatives list their monthly progress in public and make the public active participants in the great democracy, not only during elections. Then, let us see how many poor go without food, how many sick go without medicine and care, etc. |
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| Savyasaachi, India |
Aug 30, 2010 |
The muslims in India are proving to be a curse to the country - Om Shetty
Say a BOON. If there were no Muslims, most contributors of the Indian economy would have crumbled - say, Hospitality, Jewellery, Grocery stores, Meat Industry, Clothing, Mobile phone industry et cetera.
The 'M' FACTOR is something which one cannot totally sideline. If you do not trust me, have a look at this -
Ogilvy Noor, as it is named, is positioned as the world’s first marketing consultancy service focused on Islamic branding practices> - This appeared in the ET a few days ago and I was shell surprised and almost dropped my hot tea over something that was covered by my V....... |
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| Savyasaachi, India |
Aug 30, 2010 |
"gange cha yamune chaiva godavari saraswati narmade sindhu kaveri"
This is what Original R Pai from USA has written to Steve of Australia. It doesn't seem to have amused Steve one bit. Mr. Steve, did you want even Kosi, Brehmaputra, Krishna, Thames, Nile, Amazon a few lakes of Bangalore and a few hundred wells to be included?
Original R Pai has only written half of the quotation. The full version however is like this...... "Gangaicha Yamunechaiva Godavari Saraswati Narmade Sindhu Cauvery jalasmin sannidhi kurum"
When the first part is about naming the prominent rivers of India, the second part says "May these sources of water never run dry".
Water is the elixir of life. One cannot live without water. So it simply signifies the importance of water and the rivers mentioned in the quotation = "SOURCES OF WATER". Indians have normally as well as formally worshipped anything that has been useful. Indians have Rain God, Fire God, Wind God - The three of the five elements or simply put in mythic terms as PANCHA BHOOTA. Indians worship medicinal plants like TULASI due to the utility value. Indians worship the giant Banyan tree for the cool shade it provides. Indians hold Mom, Dad, Teacher and Guest in the same high esteem because of their utility in one way or the other.
Coming to Original Pais comment on river, Mr. Pai, what do you say on the condition of today's Indian rivers - the same which is mentioned in the above quotes which you and myself wrote? I might trust a bottled water more than the same Gangey any day. |
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium |
Aug 30, 2010 |
Diwakar -
Do I need to have a detailed website for your just to claim my identity? in which era are you? if I make profiles in super duper social websites will that reveal my real identity.
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| D.P.Kumar, India |
Aug 30, 2010 |
Chris
B.P.Puthran has well clarified.
Chris, pichakk!!! Even an ordinary Bank peon can understand your brain condition.
Fake VRS,
pichkk-pichikki!! Che-che..
14000 Euros per month;
Chris made no efforts to find even a mention in any website of such a great personality! Not even a telephone! |
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| Kiran, USA |
Aug 30, 2010 |
"CERTAIN QUALITIES" of the "FORMLESS" --Chris Rego
You could not get the meaning of one simple sentence? How can anything formless have any qualities ? Qualities are present only in forms. This puts a big question on your intelligence or lack thereof. |
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| Judith L, India |
Aug 30, 2010 |
MUMBAI: A Right to Information (RTI) activist who was in the forefront in exposing corruption in PDS, foodgrain and fuel distribution in the Marathwada region has been found dead in Nanded.
The circumstances behind how 43-year-old Ramdas Ghadegavkar, a local Shiv Sena leader, died are shrouded in mystery. The death of Ramdas, who used the RTI Act, adds another name in the victim list of whistleblowers in the country.
The Shivajinagar police in Nanded, about 650 km from here, have registered a case of "sudden death", after Ramdas' body was discovered late Friday night in Mondha area, police said on Sunday.
Preliminary post mortem report revealed excess alcohol in his body, police said. His brother has informed police that the RTI activist had left home at around 8 am on Friday.
Ramdas's death comes just weeks after the murder of RTI activist Amit Jethwa from Gujarat who was killed for exposing illegal mining in the Gir forest region.
Jethwa was shot dead from a close range near the Gujarat high court on July 20 after he filed a public interest litigation (PIL) against illegal mining.
Ramdas was active in uncovering corruption in PDS, foodgrain and fuel distribution by using RTI Act. He was a local Shiv Sena leader in Nanded and the head of the district Milk Sellers Association.
He had exposed the thriving sand mafia in the region through the RTI Act. His complaint had led the district administration to initiate action on the issue.
Meanwhile, Sena district president Hemant Patil met senior police officials and demanded a CBI inquiry into the mysterious death of Ramdas.
Read more: RTI activist who exposed corruption in Maharashtra found dead - India - The Times of India http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/RTI-activist-who-exposed-corruption-in-Maharashtra-found-dead/articleshow/6456957.cms#ixzz0y6LbjHQy |
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| Savyasaachi, India |
Aug 30, 2010 |
Of what use is your education, if you are taught to think like that? - D P Kumar
'Vidya' is different from 'Jnyaana'. Daily morning I see a lot of youngsters riding to office, with the ID cards of reputed companies around their neck. These lucrative jobs are due to their VIDYA. But thanks to the lengthy singals, they ride on footpaths and honk at those pedestrians who are rightly walking on those footpaths. That is their (A)JNYAANA. What Dr. Raj Kumar showed us in the latter part of the movie 'Kaviratna Kalidasa' is the opposite of the above example. But alas! We say 'Vidyenachi Jnyaan ani Maan'. "It is through eudcation that one attains wisdom/knowledge and respect" Anyways, let's blame that the education system is imperfect!
But a good question by DPK. "Vidya dadaati vinayam, [vinaya dadaati paatrataam, paatratwaam dhanamaapnoti, dhana dharmam tataha sukham"]. It seems education should bring in humility in a man. [That humility makes him eligible to attain wealth and riches. Thus attained riches & wealth should be spent for social welfare ALSO and this action of his will bring him happiness]
Judith L, you might be impressed by this quote, especially that within the square brackets, as it appears to be your area of interest. Kindly pass this message amongst your friends and sisters.
Of course, our Religious Doctors have already taken these quotes to the lab for dissection. Let's wait for their findings :-) |
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| D.P.Kumar, India |
Aug 30, 2010 |
One can change his own name but one cannot change the name of his father. -Nazeer claifies on name of Obama's father
Very good and perfect clarification. |
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| Kiran, USA |
Aug 30, 2010 |
Then came the foreigners. The foreigners brought in their foreign gods ......And the foreigners said that the foreign gods were the true gods. And the foreigners were very keen to sit at the top of the social hierarchy. --Steve Ravi Australia
Nice fabricated story. Such a story would have impressed one of the masters 'Max Mueller', after all, it is his fabrication that you have faithfully reproduced. Please wake up and since you are already connected to the internet, you can do yourself one more favor and educate yourself about the myth of the Aryan invasion. Then you can open yourself up to the real history of the subcontinent and see that the dates do not fit into the 1200BC concocted by western Indologists. The carbon dating of the now underwater city of Dwaraka, by the National Institute of Oceanography, Dona Paula, Goa, is between 6000BC - 5000BC. That is the city of Shri Krishna, an avatar of Lord Vishnu (if you did not already know), hence indigenous to India. However, you did get a couple of things right. The claim that our gods are true gods in indeed foreign to India and to Hinduism and so is the European social class based caste system and Hinduism must strive to get this stigma off their backs. |
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| DONY LOBO, MILAGRES, DOHA,, Qatar |
Aug 30, 2010 |
Dear Mr.Rao,
Your words are full of wisdom of the highest class. You certainly are an intelligent person...and my full respects to you. I wish all the M.Com readers read your post.
Just curious.....are you by chance a Free Mason...? |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Aug 30, 2010 |
"Of what use is your education, if you are taught to think like that?" - DP Kumar to J.D'Souza
Very simple but deep, meaningful question to Mr.D'souza. Hopefully this helps him come out of cloud and see the reality. |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Aug 30, 2010 |
"That is all you can do rather than try understanding the gist of my comment." - Austin Noronha
Dear Austin,
What was there to understand in your post except truck loads of insults?
Instead of answering my point-by-point rebuttal to your post on meat eating, you chose to take on 'mouna vruta'.
As I have said many times, name-calling doesn't score you any points in a debate.
I hope this helps you understand why I had so much fun reading your post. Smiles... |
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| Nazeer, Saudi Arabia |
Aug 30, 2010 |
Dear Mr. Putran,
Unfortunately, I haven't recieved your e-mail. Can you resend it please. I may probably coming to Dammam on Sept 9, Thursday. I hope I could meet you at Khobar.
I re-write my email ID:
nazeeradil@gmail.com
Thanks and Regards,
Nazeer |
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium |
Aug 30, 2010 |
Nazeer - If Obama is Christian or Muslim why it does bother anyone including you. Why cannot you look him as a human without tagging him for a religion.
What will anyone will benefit if he is from their religion, why people are slave of outdated and man made religions? who made religions? did lord came to this earth and told to do so and so? or Kiran Swami will tell that formless of form has to be worshipped.
What of formless of form? oh people look into the world and this world can be peaceful without religions, live your life. |
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| D.P.Kumar, India |
Aug 30, 2010 |
“The Indian aborigines have been displaced by the occupying foreigners who have introduced their own religion. The Dharma.”-Steve from Australia.
Steve, your statement is apt. But in relative context your isolating and connecting Brahmins to the same need to be supported by few more details.
a)Will you please write your status in Australia viz-a-viz the aboriginals there?
b)Few aboriginal communities in the group of islands in the Bay of Bengal conquered and named as Andaman and Nocobar islands by the British, are on decline and few of their dialect also has vanished. Last week I read that the last surviving Bo Sr woman died in one of the islands.
I understand that similar is the position of aboriginals of Australia.
Did any Brahmins went to those places and started discriminations?
Steve, if you don’t mind, you may review as to whether such “hate a community in isolation” would serve any purpose.
I may be guided, if my combining 2 issues as examples do not augur well with your efforts to drive some point. |
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium |
Aug 30, 2010 |
Diwakar Shenoy - I thought you are a commie by heart and from your recent comments I found out that you have hidden agendra like RSS but with difference is that you act like Secular, people are not that fools to believe what you write and religion is man made and scriptures are just written by humans like us, even i some you give some chance to Kirana Swami in US he will also give some super duper explained books.
You should admit in your comments that you have some hidden agenda in his forum so people will not fall into your trap. |
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| k.rao, India |
Aug 30, 2010 |
"just keep your fingers away from the keyboard if there is any comments against traitor and Mohan Bhagwat and I feel that something is burning from inside..."
It looks like this person is suffering from severe acidity or VIRUS infection.
He is not ready to accept any comments against the traitor, who is traitor?
His vision is not clear- whether he is defending the traitor and Mohan Bhagawat or writng against both?
It is this kind of entertaining writing that keeps EYT alive! keep up Bro! |
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| Dr.Mithra N. Hegde, India |
Aug 30, 2010 |
| I will be residing in Mangalore. I will go to Delhi whenever Her Excellency, The President of Republic of India, requires my service for her treatment. |
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| D.P.Kumar, India |
Aug 30, 2010 |
If earth is mother, why are we walking over it? Why are we building gutters and septic tanks on it ? Why are we throwing garbage all over it?-Thomas D Souza
Even if you do not know what you did as a child or remember that, you might have seen other small children doing on their mother's body or lap. Is a mother saptic tank? Is a living mother a play thing?
Yet, when we were born she hugged us. She gave us milk. She gave us food. She gave us bath, changed our wet cloths very often; washed the clothes when we made our cloth as well her clothes dirty.
Mother is an embodiment of love and tolerance.
That is the symbolism for earth being called Mother.
"Mother Earth is adorned with heights, slopes, plains, hills, mountains, forests, plants, herbs and treasures; She takes care of every creature that breathes and stirs. May She give us joy, wealth, prosperity, good fortune and glory!"
We have a day to observe "Earth day" which is "observed on April 22 each year by more than 500 million people and several national governments in 175 countries". |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Aug 30, 2010 |
although that was not my intent. -Chris
A body builder was walking back home after his daily routine of weight lifting and exercises. He met an old time friend on the way. He was so happy that he punched lightly on his tummy saying 'daane Ramanna yetu samaya aand irenu tood'.
PS: Ramanna is hospitalised and the surgeon is planning on emergency surgery.
PPS: The body builder's intention was a friendly punch. |
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| Dr.Mithra N. Hegde, India |
Aug 30, 2010 |
| Thanks a lot for your good words and best wishes. I will live up to your expectations. |
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| B.P. Puthran, Saudi Arabia |
Aug 30, 2010 |
| Nazeer Saheb, I have replied to your email with my contact number, Please advise MR. Cris that I am a member of Linkedin proffessional website for profesional people, also got a award from US company who is who in the year 2003-2004. he can also find my name in who's who website. Please dont think that I am bragging (fake VrS claims that I Boast), truth always hurts someone who is incapable) |
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| DONY LOBO, DOHA, Qatar |
Aug 30, 2010 |
"I asked Arab Christians, if they name anyone as HUSSEIN, answer came NO."… Rajesh, India:
I've known Arabic Christians with names like Rashid Massoud, Sheriff, Sulaiman/Solomon/Salman, Yousuf, Yacoob, Gassam, Wissam/Ossam, and many more people. These as well as Hussein are Arabic names and need not be necessarily related to any particular religion.
There are plenty of people in ancient times in the Arabic lands with the name Rama. Does that indicate to anyone that ancient Arabians were Hindus…????
And to us Indians, whether Obama is Muslim or Indian ….
So long as he is not a Free Mason or a Satanic worshipper…… Does it really matter…??? |
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| B.P. Puthran, Saudi Arabia |
Aug 30, 2010 |
| Hello cris Putran here again whom do you know in Seimens Sudhakar sales & Mkt Mgr, Seimens Muscat? or Ali Al khalaf, Manager ABB, do you want more references? ask me. |
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| B.P. Putran, Saudi Arabia |
Aug 30, 2010 |
Hello Cris Rego, you drew blank in Linkedin, you can find my name in Linkedin connected to professional guys in our industry, its not only PLC's but our process analysers are installed everywhere in aramco and Sabic, FYI we are bidding for changing the complete PLC system including HMI, seimens units. anymore questions, please ask me.
I am sorry if I quoted you wrongly connecting you to Fake VRS. |
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| B.P. Putran, Saudi Arabia |
Aug 30, 2010 |
| Hello Cris Rego alias VRS, you can find my name in google and everywhere Cris Rego/VRS, are you so curious to know about me? I am from Bokkapatna, Mangalore, where are you, where can I find your identity? why you ask Nazeer about me why cant you ask me directly. |
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| B.P. Puthran, Saudi Arabia |
Aug 30, 2010 |
| So finally the so called guy from Belgium in fact living in Dubai isnt it, clarify your stand, its a proof that you have not published my reply for his outburtst against me. |
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| M.Hussain, Qatar |
Aug 30, 2010 |
I asked Arab Christians, if they name anyone as HUSSEIN, answer came NO.
...Rajesh
He is not arab origin.. |
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Aug 30, 2010 |
If you had a little patience, you would have further verified in http://www.hazarint.com/clientele.asp -DP
DP'saab, trust me, I DID go through the clientele list provided under the website and at the end of it all, I sought clarification to which we have had neither an eye or a nay! Anyway, that's besides the pertinent point here.
By offering the Clientele list in defense, you have merely let us have a glimpse of your monumental ignorance in technical matters - rather like the tip of an iceberg!
Being Suppliers of Instrumentation to the Oil & Gas sector is one thing. Designing the stuff AFTER understanding the process parameters and subsequently installing, integrating, testing and commissioning is something else altogether!
However, you MUST remember that it is a foreign manufacturer that analyzes various parameters of the process in question and comes up with the design for the logic controls! For example, our project uses Electro-magnetic Flowmeters and Pressure Transmitters and I have procured them from Germany -Endress Hauser, to be precise! Does that mean that I'm "HEADING PCI and Integration of PLC systems"? No way, man! You've gotta be kidding!
So, when it comes to the installation, loop-checks, "Integration" into the MAIN system, pre-commissioning and commissioning, we HAVE to opt for the expertise of Siemens or ABB (or some other top-notch company that has been approved by the Client.) Now, THAT is what you call by "HEADING". Unfortunately, there was absolutely NO mention of anything besides Supply! NO mention of SABIC - the enterprise which has various industries - translated as various various processes! Hence, the clarification!
Anyway, that's what happens when you air out a Bankers assessment on Tech matters - and that too on extremely hi-tech stuff!
As Audrey Hepburn said - "I love people who make me laugh. I honestly think it's the thing I like most, to laugh. It cures a multitude of ills. It's probably the most important thing in a person."
Any more authoritarian ex-bankers views on Tech Matters, DP? I honestly need a laugh or two more these days! And I promise you - I won't laugh so loud and hard that I'll wind up crying so that the REST of the world will have to laugh LOUDER! |
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| K.RAO, India |
Aug 30, 2010 |
"B'coz in reality the worshiper worships the "FORMLESS" behind the limp form that is worshiped so that "CERTAIN QUALITIES" of the "FORMLESS" can "MANIFEST" themselves in the "FORM"! Right",
Dear Chris,
Linga doesnt mean what actually \" you\" mean to say like human part. Linga in sanskrit means just identification or gender. I do not think that you are not aware of Stree Linga / Pullinga OR napunsaka Linga in Kannada. Hence Linga is just a symbol. When u r praying to a statue of Jesus (I have great respect for him) are praying to the statue or taking it as symbolic representation of Jesus? As per your faith a man made Idol cannot be God ! Same theory applies to the statue of Jesus also. But we see Jesus in the statue not by concentrating on the characterstics of the statue but by looking inside ourselves for Jesus. Hence satisfaction that You have inflicted a concept of blasphemy on the Lingaradhakas is just a myth. God is beyond the reach of human efforts of blasphemy! |
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| Judith L, India |
Aug 30, 2010 |
| Kiran, I liked what I read that was written by you reg. it is Indian Government's duty to provide the necessities of citizens. But how can this be implemented is a big question mark. It is the Govt's "dont care attitude" and the people's "chalta hai attitude" which will never bring and end to the miseries of our Country. Pls. let me know which democratic Country do you feel has the Govt. genuinely working to provide all ammenities to its people ? |
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium |
Aug 30, 2010 |
Shenoy - Since you do not know Mohan Bhagwat personally then you should not talk for him next time... just keep your fingers away from the keyboard if there is any comments against traitor and Mohan Bhagwat and I feel that something is burning from inside...(:
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium |
Aug 30, 2010 |
| N.S Shenoy - So you are claiming that you are original same Brahmin attitude and you have shown that all Brahmins are same. |
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| Steve, Australia |
Aug 30, 2010 |
"The tribal places in India resonate the same culture across India, all centered in the same truth revealed by the Vedas" - Kiran's true vaada.
If that was so, exactly when and how some folks of the same culture started practising untouchability against another section and started calling them the tribal people?
When and how was it decided that a teeny-weeny portion of the lot would sit at the top of the hierarchy, and push everyone else to the bottom?
Surely a small insignificant part of one single cohesive culture suddenly can't decide to take such a measure against a majority of that same culture?
The others would have finished off the minority!
Dear Kiran,
You want to prove again and again that all Indians belong to one and the same culture. That is the line of the Mahasabha and the RSS (ask the guru D P Kumar. He knows it).
The big truth is that your story is a big lie. You know that.
The 5% have been too clever to lose their pre-eminent position on top of the heap. Like you, the 5% have come up with unending arguments to retain the position.
And the 5% go to visit the Aborigines and bestow upon the poor folks the Vaishnava Deeksha.
But the Aborigines are becoming very smart indeed. |
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Aug 30, 2010 |
Pakistani way of life:- 1) Playing cricket while 30% of population without food/drinking water/shelter and country crying for foreign aid. - Fathima
Have you thought of it from this angle - that those Pak cricketers were RAISING money (by betting/spot-fixing) for the flood victims? If the Brits look a little deeper, I'm positive that this will be the case. ;)
In that case, don't you think that they deserve the Pakistani equivalent of the 'Vishisht Seva Medal'?
Nagendra looks to be a lil peeved with me. Relax bro. Let us have your opinion, please. |
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Aug 30, 2010 |
When naaga is worshiped, it is not the snake that is worshiped, it is the formless behind the form that is worshiped, which manifests certain qualities in this form. - Kiran
Eureka! That explanation was mind-blowing in its simplicity!
So I suppose that we can extrapolate it to Linga' worship, too, I presume?
B'coz in reality the worshiper worships the "FORMLESS" behind the limp form that is worshiped so that "CERTAIN QUALITIES" of the "FORMLESS" can "MANIFEST" themselves in the "FORM"! Right, Kiran? |
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Aug 30, 2010 |
I really don't understand why you searched Mr. Putran's profile in google. - Nazeer
Nazeer, it was curiosity - professional curiosity to be precise, coz he said he was heading the process control instrumentation and Integration of PLC systems to Aramco and sabic!
Having friends in Siemens & ABB, I’m given to understand that heading PCI & Systems integration & that too for Saudi Aramco & Saudi Arabian Basic Industries Corp os SABIC (which includes SASREF, SAMREF, Al RAZI, HADEED, PETROKEMYA,IBN RUSHD, YANPET, TAYF, SAUDI KAYAN, SAFCO, SADAF, IBN AL BAYTAR, IBN SINA etc… well, that’s no small achievement. That’s why I looked him up on LinkedIn in a professional capacity, drew a so-so blank and hence sought a clarification on EYT.
So sorry if I ruffled a few feathers although that was not my intent. |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Aug 30, 2010 |
"Pai maam is between 38 and 40 years of age" - Shenoy to Austin.
Dear Shenoy,
That's quite impressive. Actually I am 37 - pretty close. But...if Austin wants to believe that I am 65, that's fine. Whatever makes him feel happy. :)
By the way, Shenoy maam, Could you please give Austin a few tips on Praanaayaama? He needs to calm down! smiles... |
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| Austin Noronha, Qatar |
Aug 30, 2010 |
Hi O.R.Pai,
I am glad to hear that you had a good laugh reading my post. I am not surprised to hear that, I expected it from you. That is all you can do rather than try understanding the gist of my comment. If you are interested in laughing only then I can provide you enough of laughing stock or laughing gas. |
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| D.P.Kumar, India |
Aug 30, 2010 |
the element of competition which was brought about by the Christian missionaries was responsible to making education available to all the segments of the Hindu society.-Joathan
Are you of the opinion that people in India were illiterate and uneducated till the Christian Missionaries arrived?
Please correct your notion. Of what use is your education, if you are taught to think like that? |
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| D.P.Kumar, India |
Aug 30, 2010 |
I guess you should have been in Siemens, ABB or Honeywell and not with a Co. called Anas Mohd Al Fadhli Trading! Please confirm. Has Google made a mistake or have I?- Chris Rego questions B.P.Puthran's credentials.
Chris Rego, why do you hurry. I see you always hurrying with your comments. If you had a little patience, you would have further verified in
http://www.hazarint.com/clientele.asp
Saudi ARAMCO among the list of clients of Hazar International Co under alphabet -S.
Saudi Air Force - RSAF Saudi Border Guards
Saudi Army - RSLFAAC
Saudi Special Flights
Saudi basic industries corporation
Singapore Civil Defence Forces
Laugh and the world laughs with you.
Now when you cry..the world laughs louder;-)) |
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| N.S.Shenoy (Nandavar), India |
Aug 30, 2010 |
"Diode or Cathode tube allows electrons to flow only in one direction the same way "-Austin Noronha
I am perplexed why your diodes and Cathodes do not work with fake Shetty, Steve and such fanatics?
Is it that your diodes and Cathodes too flow only in one direction?
It reveals some thing wrong in the "self claimed Atheist." No?. |
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| N.S.Shenoy (Nandavar), India |
Aug 30, 2010 |
"95% of the population did not know what Sankrit was. Sanskrit was the culture of 5%." -Steve
The position of English was much poor a century or two ago. Even today, English has no status like Hindi and other Indian languages most of which have Sanskrit root. |
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| N.S.Shenoy (Nandavar), India |
Aug 30, 2010 |
Tony,
Brahmins never went with alms like some priests to convert poor and tribals. Hindu priests never attempted such acts of canvassing their religion. They performed rituals and took " yathashakti dakshina" from the hosts.
Think dear before you write something. |
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| Steve, Australia |
Aug 30, 2010 |
"There is a sanskruta shloka that goes like “gange cha yamune chaiva godavari saraswati narmade sindhu kaveri ….”. So, it wasn’t Congress party that gave the concept of one-nation, it has been around for a long time in this sub-continent. Our ancestors had a very clear idea and understanding of our nation and that’s what fuelled the freedom struggle" - Original Pai somehow believes that RSS contributed to India's freedom struggle.
Merely stringing together the names of 7 rivers does not make the theory for one nation. Of course, RSS is extremely proud of this line.
What a few priests chanted was not the chant of the common man in India. 95% of the population did not know what Sankrit was. Sanskrit was the culture of 5%.
Politically, the kings of India were permanently at one another's throats.
Most kings allied with the Europeans to finish off other Indian kings. Seeking the European help in one or another matter has been with every group, including the RSS.
That is shameful, don't you agree?
The freedom struggle - as a cohesive force - was entirely a Congress game (and that includes Jinnah). The point - which you are not willing to accept - was that RSS wanted the European masters to continue. There was absolutely no RSS support to Congress.
But RSS is very keen to get the credit for India's freedom. |
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| Steve, Australia |
Aug 30, 2010 |
"Brahmins incorporated any and every concept of divinity as long as the concepty of divinity did not threaten their cherished place in the social heirarchy" Tony perhaps has a point about how an insignificant minority has been sitting atop the social hierarchy for a long, long time!
Dear Original Pai and Kiran,
I am sure, as you are the liberal thinkers, you will certainly agree that sitting atop social hierarchy is not an easy feat to achieve.
Threat perception and appropriate reaction is part and parcel of being a human. But how many succeed in reaching, then remaining there for a very, very long time?
The nature worshippers and the Naga worshipers had a fairly direct relationship with their Supreme Beings - using their own local language.
Then came the foreigners. The foreigners brought in their foreign gods, and the mumbo-jumbo priests who spoke Sanskrit - guaranteeing that the locals would not understand a word.
And the foreigners said that the foreign gods were the true gods. And the foreigners were very keen to sit at the top of the social hierarchy.
That was much before other waves of foreigners came - each wave declaring their god was the only true god. Obviously, the latter were a direct threat to those who announced earlier that their gods were the true gods.
These later arrivals perhaps were not concerned about sitting atop the social hierarchy.
All that they wanted was to sit at the top of the political hierarchy. The Mughals, The Europeans.
In this mumble-jumble of seeking the right spot on the hierarchy, the real locals - the Aborigines of India and the so-called lower-castes - have been a long-suffering, forgotten lot.
"They are ours, they are ours first, we called out first" said the foreigners of different persuasions.
But India is shining on these Aborigines. Not all of them. Just a few.
The head-priest of Pejawar is very pleased to grant the Vaishnava Deeksha to the Aborigines of India.
No, this is not conversion by force, or coercion. Only newer foreigners do that.
Because the people of Dharma come up with every devious argument to call the process something else. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Aug 29, 2010 |
Think, think, Think.
Not Naga, Naga, Naga...as you have nothing to do with that. -N S S
Now Steve has suddenly made a 'Naga' movement. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Aug 29, 2010 |
laghtha hai cardio'mam shenu'jee bangaya piskiartry'maam,- Smitha Rai
Dil se dimaag tak jhaankna padta hai ji. Kahe toh aap ke dil ko bhi toda dekhoon? |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Aug 29, 2010 |
brainwashed into him since his childhood to his present age of 65-Austin making assumptions [unscientific]
Pai maam is between 38 and 40 years of age. Any doubt about that Austin? In other words he is in the same age group as Chris, the ageless wonder. |
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| Tony, USA |
Aug 29, 2010 |
| Brahmins incorporated any and every concept of divinity as long as the concepty of divinity did not threaten their cherished place in the social heirarchy. |
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| Nazeer, Saudi Arabia |
Aug 29, 2010 |
Dear Mr.Chris Rego,
I really don't understand why you searched Mr. Putran's profile in google. It might be because human nature of curiosity but I felt that, even if you have done it you shouldn't have published the details in EYT I felt a bit uncomfortable, because the conversation was between me and him. |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Aug 29, 2010 |
@ "Smitha Rai":
So..you were on a vacation, uh?
No problem - I was enjoying your other posts under your real name! smiles...
Welcome back anyways....
@ Austin Nornha:
I've to be honest - your post gave me a good laugh. Cathode, diode, 65 yrs, brainwash...it was a good 'sajjige-Bajil' post that I truly enjoyed. Smiles...
Peace. |
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| Kiran, USA |
Aug 29, 2010 |
Did you know that every little (or great) religious artefact found in Tulunad is about Naga, naga, and naga? No foreign gods of Bihar and UP - which were all imported relatively recently? --Steve Ravi, Australia
Just as applying a Western concept to India makes no sense, similarly, applying the concept of aborigines to the Indian context makes no sense whatsoever.
The tribal places in India resonate the same culture across India, all centered in the same truth revealed by the Vedas. Only an ignorant and blinded by ones own ego can miss the unmistakable reality. If you attend any Naaga pooja/ashlesha bali/naaga mandala or a bhoota kola, nema, garadi, etc., every one of them reflect the same absolute truth of the formless in all the forms of the world. When naaga is worshiped, it is not the snake that is worshiped, it is the formless behind the form that is worshiped, which manifests certain qualities in this form. I am not sure how much you can comprehend the above sentence, but when you comment without any knowledge of the subject matter, ....complete the sentence yourself. They never say naaga is the only way or bobbarya is the only way, they know that worshiping the naaga flows to the same ocean as does the worship to any bhoota or any worship to Vishnu, or Devi or any form representation of the formless. |
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| Adil, Qatar |
Aug 29, 2010 |
congress party is most corrupted party in the entire world, with cheap politics...only for vote banking..discriminating the religion...,? wht benefit they have given to minority...politics..politics every where...for their benefit
..........Suhail, Mangalore
Muslims should wipe out congress from India and end to minority politics benefitting majoritarian. In UP and Bihar no congress |
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| Sundara, UAE |
Aug 29, 2010 |
Dear Nazeer Saheb, its my pleasure meeting you in ALKhobar, we got about 10 days holidays on account of Idd al fitr, I will be leaving to India on the 11th if you come before that date, I will certainly meet you, thanks for your mail.....BP Puthran
ere !! email mein communicate karo yarrrrrrrrrr |
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| K Shenoy, India |
Aug 29, 2010 |
Yes Mallays will have it with giving his Kingfisher girls to them to satisfy them and not like Ambanis with sheer dedication (: that is the difference in Brahmins, to gain they will loose everything
votis parilekka paatherodchiye shettre. onthe aalochane malth paatherle.
costly beer parpinakulu incha pedambu lekka paatheruji. inaas porbulena country parpinakulu maatra incha balance thappuni.
vottraashi confuse aavade. maata piriyi boka bale boka paatherle. eereg vonthe mandeg yerdundu itthe. |
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| B.P. Putran, Saudi Arabia |
Aug 29, 2010 |
| Dear Nazeer Saheb, its my pleasure meeting you in ALKhobar, we got about 10 days holidays on account of Idd al fitr, I will be leaving to India on the 11th if you come before that date, I will certainly meet you, thanks for your mail. |
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| Austin Noronha, Qatar |
Aug 29, 2010 |
Hey Austin, this chap has been born and brought up on his Fav Amar Chitra katha and Tinkle Comics. Probably, he reads them even now for inspiration before his wields his clumsy gadha on EYT. Sad...... - Chris
Chris to be frank, I had given up debating with Original Pai after I read his silly reply to my comment on the impact and consequences of banning cow slaughter or any other animals or birds. Not that his comment was exceptional but because it lacked vigour, rationality & reasoning. All that he did was retrieve the brainwashed stuff from his neurons and allowed it to flow freely and uncontrollably in EYT through his keyboard hoping to convince and impress the gullible people here. This can be diagnosed as one way syndrome. Just like how a Diode or Cathode tube allows electrons to flow only in one direction the same way our buddy's cathode tube doesn't allow the info to enter his cranial cavity but on the other hand it allows uncontollable amount of brainwashed stuff out at a fraction of a second, but the difference is, it's vigourless, irrational and illogical that has been brainwashed into him since his childhood to his present age of 65. Due to this flaw he is not able to think and reason out and plays the same record for every question of different nature. |
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Aug 29, 2010 |
I am in alkhobar heading the process control instrumentation and Integration of PLC systems to Aramco and sabic. B. P. Putran
Is this your professional profile by any chance, Mr Putran? http://sa.linkedin.com/pub/dir/BP/PUTRAN
If so, I guess you should have been in Siemens, ABB or Honeywell and not with a Co. called Anas Mohd Al Fadhli Trading! Please confirm. Has Google made a mistake or have I? |
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| Smitha Rai, UAE |
Aug 29, 2010 |
In any case you sound as if you had a troubled childhood.@ shenu'jee
laghtha hai cardio'mam shenu'jee bangaya piskiartry'maam, |
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| Smitha Rai, UAE |
Aug 29, 2010 |
So, you don’t see any difference between legal H1-B visa guys and those ‘invaders’ who landed on Indian shores illegally @pai
sorry peepli live on eyt. i was on vacation for long time. but v nice to be back with much action here.
pai'jee, h1b is only piece of paper in modern day world no? b4 there was no h1b paper/ visa, no pasport, no residence paper, no social security etectra. so in 1 way vrs'jee is correct. |
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| Kiran, USA |
Aug 29, 2010 |
That is why till we are confident our Govt. is not corrurpt, we will have to help each other then only people can have atleast basic necessities. --Judith
Judith, I am glad that we are in agreement with part of this concept. This idea of let us set up charities until the Government feels like stepping up on its own is really a fantasy. The Government will not move a finger until there is a dire necessity to do so. They do not even seem to respond when there is a mild crisis of sorts. What measures did they take to give any relief to the hardworking people reeling under the burden of inflation ? Why don't they distribute the food instead of throwing away the millions of tons of food grains after they rot, every year ? Is that not better than giving a few thousand rupees to our favorite charity ? This is not an excuse to do nothing. If we cannot do one, we should be able to do the other next noble thing. But waiting for the Government to wake up on its own and feeding charities until then, is like giving money to the child beggars knowing fully well that it goes to the villains behind those children and yet hoping that the villains will develop a kind heart on their own.
I hope you see the similarities.
The taxes you pay are your share of donation to the society for the upliftment of the less fortunate among us. That includes, good schools, hospitals, roads, trains, police, defense and law courts. It is our right to demand that the money be spent for the right purpose and not to be stashed in Swiss banks for their generations to come. Charities enable governments to ignore the downtrodden as not being their responsibility. People run voluntary schools, build voluntary roads and bridges, charity hospitals, moot courts, etc. to fill in for the shortcomings of the Government and they can open some more accounts in thousands of crores of rupees!!! Nice scheme! The people who donate and the charities, both feel good about themselves for helping a few people, but in reality they are enabling a Government look the other way from the poor people and pocket all the money that need not be earmarked for the poor. They can even give themselves hefty raises and perks with no limits and no guilty conscience!!! The charities help them indirectly. It is not too hard to see the connection. The politicians will spend a teeny tiny percentage of that ill gotten wealth, of which even a small percentage is a huge sum, for elections and make sure that they get elected time and again. They are now experts at it. They have been running this scheme for 60+ years! Just get the people to think in terms of caste and religion and they will forget everything else!!!!! Simple. |
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| N.S.Shenoy (Nandavar), India |
Aug 29, 2010 |
Did you know that every little (or great) religious artefact found in Tulunad is about Naga, naga, and naga? -Steve to D P.Kumar
But it will not substantiate Christianity to have rightful place with Portuguese inquisition and violent forceful converisions.
Steve, just go back and find out who is your ancestor who got converted to a foreign religion. You know very well that it is not Indian like Islam.
It gives no options or wider choices.
What a great field we have is being distorted by the single book!
Think well. Please keep away your ego. What you write is merely a thought that you are right. That may not be if you are Indian.
Think, think, Think.
Not Naga, Naga, Naga...as you have nothing to do with that. |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Aug 29, 2010 |
Steve alias Ravi,
1) “But the white Masters have a conscience to get on to their knees and and say sorry.”
Hmmmm…only in your imaginary world, I suppose. Have they apologized to slavery? Or, have they apologized to Native Americans?
2) “Nagas - true religion of Tulunad”
Thanks again making another great point by destroying your own argument. The ‘sanatana dharma’ never insulted other belief systems. It always provided enough channels and space for more than one concept of God without offending or insulting anyone. |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Aug 29, 2010 |
Steve alias Ravi,
I think you did a good job of destroying your own argument by including enough contradictions in your post. Since you have no clue, let me highlight a few so you can understand the extent of damage!
1) “Certainly there were foreigners who ruled India. Those foreigners came to India just as the Indians have gone to USA. All in the interest in making a few bucks.“
So, you don’t see any difference between legal H1-B visa guys and those ‘invaders’ who landed on Indian shores illegally after 15th century and started engaging in wars and religious conversions?
2) “But the force that unified Indians against the foreigners was Congress.”
This is just another sad reflection of your ignorance. I know that you are probably kept away from native culture and languages such as ‘Sanskruta’. There is a sanskruta shloka that goes like “gange cha yamune chaiva godavari saraswati narmade sindhu kaveri ….”. So, it wasn’t Congress party that gave the concept of one-nation, it has been around for a long time in this sub-continent. Our ancestors had a very clear idea and understanding of our nation and that’s what fuelled the freedom struggle.
3) “RSS and Hitler” - This is another sign of your half-baked knowledge and understanding of international politics. Let me ask you this – What about Netaji Subhash Chandra Bose? Is he a Nazi too?
4) “Who else but a militant organization needs khaki garments?“
Many schools have white shirt and Khaki chaddi as part of their Uniform code. So, by your logic, these are all part of ‘militant organization’?
5) “For the Americans, all jihadists are same” – I’m not sure if you are insulting Americans with this line. Sure, they do understand the difference between Jihadists and a harmless member of RSS. Otherwise, this incident would have been BIG news by now. |
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| Steve, Australia |
Aug 29, 2010 |
Thank you guru DP Kumar for agreeing with the humble shishya that Vishnu is a foreign god for the aborigines of India.
The American Pai believes that the aborigines exist only in Australia and America, where the white Masters have looted everything imaginable from the native aborigines.
But the white Masters have a conscience to get on to their knees and and say sorry.
No such conscience in the land of the Dharma.
There have been more aborigines in the land of Dharma (or the pretence of Dharma) than in any other country.
The Indian aborigines have been displaced by the occupying foreigners who have introduced their own religion. The Dharma.
Did you know that every little (or great) religious artefact found in Tulunad is about Naga, naga, and naga? No foreign gods of Bihar and UP - which were all imported relatively recently?
And the head-priest of Pejawar is happy to give Vaishnava Deeksha to the dispossessed aborigines of India! Just as his ilk has succeeded in giving Vaishnava Deeksha to too many unsuspecting people of Tulunad?
The Vaishnava Deeksha will achieve the political goals of the foreigners. The foreigners who are so very convinced by their own stories that they are Indians.
I would have written more on the true religion of tulunad. And how the foreigners have made such a mockery of it, that the gods of the true religion of Tulunad have been taken away from the people.
But the webmaster might get offended.
Kiran, this is the conversion that should worry you. |
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| eliasmumbai, India |
Aug 29, 2010 |
| this article should be forwarded to Arun shourei and his co writters to rectify the ncert school book to teach right history to future generation. people like arun shouri big orators readers do not read what others have done.. writing about one section of the majority community. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Aug 29, 2010 |
It should the difference between Mohan Bhagwat & Azhar Masood.
-V R S
Since I do not know either of them, it makes no sense to me, an ordinary mere mortal. In any case you sound as if you had a troubled childhood. |
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| Nazeer, Saudi Arabia |
Aug 29, 2010 |
Dear Mr. Putran, Nice to know that you are based in Al Khobar.I was working in Dammam and Khobar for about six years in the past(1995-2001) for a US brand Icecream company for sales& marketing.
Now I am working in Riyadh since 8 years.
BTW, I will be visiting Dammam and Bahrin during the eid hoildays. I would be very happy to meet you if you are available at that time.
If you wish and could send a message leaving your mobile number to the following email ID, I will call you back. (nazeeradil@gmai.com)
Regards,
Nazeer |
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| B.P. Putran, Saudi Arabia |
Aug 29, 2010 |
| Dear Nazeer Saheb, I am in alkhobar heading the process control instrumentation and Integration of PLC systems to Aramco and sabic. |
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium |
Aug 29, 2010 |
Putran -If you know about me then you can always come to me in Dubai which is very near and will not cost more than 2000 riyals and in Saudi also you can drive and come back and I think you are very affluent as you brag let us move on that direction... and you have told me that you are coming Germany and can meet me in Belgium so why this kind of contrdiction statement.
What a person you are? when you have 31 years experience in Saudi but you do not have a little memory to remember what you have wrote just 2 mins back. |
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium |
Aug 29, 2010 |
Fake Puthran - are you living in fools paradise, when anyone can access the internet and knows about the anything that is happening in this world why cannot I access some information of saudi.
Real Freedom Fighters are always respected by me and not the fake freedom fighters from RSS sold our country to the British have you ever read the poem penned by RSS leaders praising British rulers... that is called Fake Freedom fighters...
I am not writing to get comments from Mangaloreans, I am here to make others understand RSS and Brahmins aim in India. |
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium |
Aug 29, 2010 |
| B.P. Putran - Weclome to VRS hate groups, if you dig more you will know there are other impersontors in this forum why you are not behind them or is it because I am against your RSS? and when you mentioned about without any grudge against caste and religion you have helped people but here you have admitted that you are against a community and it looks like you are just driving Konkan rail that has no tracks. |
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium |
Aug 29, 2010 |
| Puttur Dinesh - RSS itself a terrorist organisation and its members are by default terrorists and it was not clear before to the world and now it is clear so anyone can call them terrorists without any fear because they are terrorists and about the feelings they will take it because they know it cannot be wiped out from them. |
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium |
Aug 29, 2010 |
K Shenoy - Yes Mallays will have it with giving his Kingfisher girls to them to satisfy them and not like Ambanis with sheer dedication (: that is the difference in Brahmins, to gain they will loose everything (:
Like Mohan Bhagwat did to India by selling information to ISI and did that make you happy? |
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium |
Aug 29, 2010 |
Shenoy - It should the difference between Mohan Bhagwat & Azhar Masood.
P:S Did I see that you are fuming (: |
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| Judith L, India |
Aug 29, 2010 |
Why then the crocodile tears?
That rings a bell, who is the wolf in sheep clothing. |
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| Judith L, India |
Aug 29, 2010 |
Now, read my post again, without those defenses and see if it makes more sense.
If we have to stop giving money to these kids because the child kidnappers and sellers will profit, can you see that giving money to the poor people through charity will help the Government to stash more money in Swiss bank accounts instead of forcing them to create and manage welfare schemes for the poor? - Kiran, USA
Though belong to different communities atleast we agree on one aspect that is to eliminate child begging and even child labour. Whereas the second aspect of Govt stashing charity money to deposit is Swiss Banks. This is the main reason that I tell people to help each other in need becos the Govt. leave alone charity money even the tax money is not put to good use. That is why till we are confident our Govt. is not corrurpt, we will have to help each other then only people can have atleast basic necessities. |
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| Bonnie, USA |
Aug 29, 2010 |
Western countries and USA are rich not because of their Christian faith, but their hard work -Abhay
I do not want to reply in kind to your post as others have already replied. However, I want to show you why do not deserve any answer by your own admission. Since you said, western nations are richer because of their hard work and you are living in Saudi which is a poorer nation in comparison to western nations by your own admission. It implies that you must be lazy since you are working in a poorer nation. And guess what follows from your admission, lazy people don't deserve any answers, otherwise they would have their answers by studying. Have you heard of the saying, one should not throw pearls before the swine.
On a side note though, since many Indians are flocking to US, they must be lazy in their own land since they are rushing to US to get rich.
Bring it on .. if you have anything more to say. This is just for starters.
You would perhaps do well to take some anti-venom medicine from chameleons, who are suffering from panophobia. Let me see how long you choose to remain benighted by taking cover under the shadows of lunar eclipse. |
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Aug 29, 2010 |
I am not against the teachings of Christ. I do have a Holy Bible and I used to visit church regularly when I was in Bombay. - Abhay Kumar
Hey, Abhay, don't keep your Bible in the Fridge yaar! Read it once in a while if you feel like it. Btw, what do you mean by saying that you used to "visit" church regularly? You mean -visit as in sight seeing? Just curious to know.
Something tells me that you and I are gonna get along like a house on fire! |
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| Thomas Dsoza, India |
Aug 29, 2010 |
I am puzzled by the references made by some Christians to earth as a mother. In my view this is inappropriate for the Christians to make such references for the following reasons.
1) Earth is a matter and therefore has no soul.
2) If earth is mother, why are we walking over it? Why are we building gutters and septic tanks on it ? Why are we throwing garbage all over it? |
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| Steve, Australia |
Aug 29, 2010 |
"Unfortunately, your post is riddled with lack of historical perspective/ understanding of RSS and why such institutions were born to take on aggressive ideological invaders who were attacking = native culture for too long." - Original Pai has strung too many unconnected sentences together.
Dear American Pai,
Certainly there were foreigners who ruled India. Those foreigners came to India just as the Indians have gone to USA. All in the interest in making a few bucks.
But the force that unified Indians against the foreigners was Congress (which was started by a foreigner too!). RSS was nowhere on the scene. Except to take credit for India's freedom. As everyone knows, RSS did not support a single action that was planned to achieve freedom. RSS was the first one to boycott the "Quit India" movement of 1942.
Because RSS clearly demonstrated that it was better to have British as their Masters, than have the Congress party as the Masters.
Because, any show of a fight against the British makes them look very important. Any show of a fight with another Indian organisation does not have the same oomph.
But who were those "aggressive ideological invaders"?
Do we have any sources to cite the ideologies, aggressive or not? Or are we merely continuing with the brainwash done by the RSS who needed to create a reason for their existence? A reason for their hatred?
As soon as Hitler (the man with one examicle) started shining, RSS wanted to shine too.
RSS immediately adopted Hitler as their ideological Master, and quickly tried to copy everything that Hitler did.
Down to uniforms. Khaki chaddis and cow-leather belts. Why does a social organisation, trying to preserve the Indian Culture, need khaki chaddies and cow-leather belts?
Who else but a militant oranisation needs khaki garments and leather belts? (BTW, I must take hats off to the Taliban on this count. They know how to stay clear from the Masters. No khaki chaddis and cow-leather belts there. That is dignified self-respect, don't you agree?)
As I pointed out before, just wearing the khaki chaddi and cow-leather belts does not transform an indisciplined mob into a lean-mean-fighting-machine.
Imagine Nelson's fav heo Rommel leading a bunch of RSS khaki-chaddies on a lighting-strike-mission? Nelson would be busy writing day-in, day-out on what a coward Rommel was.
The whole goal of RSS was to snatch power without first taking stock of their abilities. They must have thought, if Hitler can do it, why can't they do it?
And now sending a few with brass-knuckles through the American airports does not help either. For the Americans, all jihadists are same.
But then you might consider that the American airport security staff are "aggressive ideological" Masters who have singled out RSS. |
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| D.P.Kumar, India |
Aug 29, 2010 |
Would you agree learned guru DP Kumar?- Steve.
Yes Steve. I always say yes to shishyas!!
Otherwise, the generation gap will throw me into hell. |
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| D.P.Kumar, India |
Aug 29, 2010 |
What is the difference between deva and daiva???????????-Hussain back during Nombu!
Really, I liked that inquisitive question. Keep writing Hussain. |
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| D.P.Kumar, India |
Aug 29, 2010 |
Tony,
Good collection for records. |
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| D.P.Kumar, India |
Aug 29, 2010 |
Abhay Kumar,
Good one for mind exercise. |
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| Cyril Moras, India |
Aug 29, 2010 |
Reading your posts reminds me of the story of wolf in sheep clothing.
In kannada it is said aaduvudu veda, ikkuvudu gala.
You may remember the often repeted advice of Lord- do not let your left hand know what your right hand does, for it is not worth knowing.
Why then the crocodile tears? |
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| Kiran, USA |
Aug 29, 2010 |
I have always said to stop giving money so that less children become a prey to crime and less children will be kidnapped and sold to solicit begging racket. --Judith
I said the same thing - that is the reason you are against giving money to the children made to beg on the streets.
Now, read my post again, without those defenses and see if it makes more sense.
If we have to stop giving money to these kids because the child kidnappers and sellers will profit, can you see that giving money to the poor people through charity will help the Government to stash more money in Swiss bank accounts instead of forcing them to create and manage welfare schemes for the poor?
Take any example. What measures are they taking to control the rabid rapid spread of dengue deaths in Delhi ?
It is 99% similar to your argument about the kids. |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Aug 28, 2010 |
Puttur Dinesh,
Two quick points on your posts:
1) I can't believe that you are comparing Bangladeshi illegal immigrants to Indians (legal migrants) in USA. Was it a honest mistake from your side in a rush to blame RSS ? It's allright - we all make mistakes
2) Glenn Beck and his rally: No, I never brought up the issue of 'rights'. You probably haven't followed the promotion or the real reports from the rally. The true intention of the rally was to take the country back to God (very specific God - watch the video clip) and 'Bible'. Doesn't it bother you (a self-proclaimed 'secular') that a major political party and very influential figures (including 'future President' Sarah Palin) attend a rally in hundreds and thousands to 'restore the country from civil rights' and 'take it back to Bible'?
That too, in a self-proclaimed 'best', 'true' democracy?
In India, any mention of native culture or the word 'Hindu' puts a person immediately under 'Saffron brigade'. But...when it happens in USA, you don't see anything beyond his 'rights to hold the rally'?
Oh well - you get my point. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Aug 28, 2010 |
What is the difference between deva and daiva???????????-M Hussain
The same difference as it exists between VRS and Savyasaachi but not necessarily in that order.
PS: I hope you did not say Devva.:) |
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| K Shenoy, India |
Aug 28, 2010 |
We are enjoying the beer which is world class and not the beer of your Mallya Maam
lo. there goes vrs again with hindu or gsb bias again.
vrs, don't live in fool's paradise and think that mallya is an ordinary man. one day, he will corner all the major breweries in the world, and you will end up drinking hooch from inaas porbu's bitthil in belman.
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| Tony, USA |
Aug 28, 2010 |
INDIAN CHRISTIANS AND THE INDEPENDENCE MOVEMENT
Dr. J.Kuruvachira
There are many Hindutva ideologues and organisations that accuse the Christians in India that they did not participate in the freedom struggle. M.S. Golwalkar (1906-1973) who was the leader of the RSS for more than three decades, says in his Bunch of Thoughts (1966,1996) that Christians in India are not merely irreligious but also anti-nationals and internal threats to the security of the nation. He alleges that the Christians, in general, kept themselves aloof from the freedom struggle. In fact, they were on the side of the British who belonged to their own faith. The British in turn helped the Christian missionaries to materialise their ‘agenda’.
Arun Shourie, a prominent BJP leader who was a Cabinet Minister in the former BJP-led NDA government, states in his Missionaries in India (1994) a view similar to that of Golwalkar. Shourie says: “For over a hundred years thus missionary activity was interwoven with, and inextricably tied up with British imperial control of India: that the missionaries – even those of Indian origin – did not join the Independence Movement was not an accident”.
The saffronised NCERT school textbook for Class IX students on Social Sciences entitled Contemporary India (2002), while discussing the freedom movement bashes the Muslims and Communists as non patriots and totally ignores the Christian contribution to the freedom struggle. Obviously, the aim is to create a new generation of Indians fully indoctrinated in the Hindutva ideology who will hate these communities as anti-nationals.
The accusation that Christians did not participate in the freedom struggle is a very serious one against the Indian Christian community, and is a gross distortion of facts. But the distortion cannot be dismissed as mere ignorance, but deliberate and ideologically motivated. However, the true history of the Indian Independence movement presents us with a different picture than that which Golwalkar, Arun Shourie and the NCERT textbook provides. In spite of their insignificant number they did contribute their share in the freedom struggle as the following analysis, though not exhaustive, will show.
Felix Wilfred, an internationally renowned theologian, notes that those who look objectively at the history of the freedom struggle in India, would admit that there were Christian missionaries who gave full support to the nationalist cause to the embarrassment and indignation of the British colonial government. Among these missionaries the more well known names are: Stanley Jones, C.F.Andrews, J.C.Winslow, Varrier Elwin, Ralph Richard Keithahn and Ernest Forrester-Paton. Some missionaries were even deported from India for their support to nationalist cause. Given this situation, missionary sources do not speak about the political and nationalist involvement of missionaries for fear of having to come under the censure of the government. In spite of this, there were numerous Christians who involved themselves in the freedom struggle.
George Thomas, a well known Church historian maintains that, the Indian Christian Community played an influential role, especially in the early phase of the Indian National Congress – founded in 1885 – which was the premier instrument of political nationalism. According to him, the influence of Christians was impressive in the various sessions of the Indian National Congress. For example, in the third annual session of the Congress in 1887, out of 607 participants in the session, 15 were Indian Christians, and among those who addressed the assembly was Madhu Sudhan Das (1848-1934, popularly known as ‘Utkal Gourab’), a well-known leader from the Christian community in Orissa. The number and influence of Indian Christians continued to be impressive in the subsequent sessions of the Congress. Kali Charan Banerjee (1847-1907), a Bengali Christian and a fine orator, regularly addressed the annual sessions of the Congress in moulding the policy of National Movement. In the Congress session of 1889, among the ten women delegates, three were Christians: Pandita Ramabai Saraswati (1858-1922), Mrs. Triumbuck, Mrs. Nikambe.
There are records of active Christian participation in the Swaraj Movement (1905), the Non Co-operation Movement (1920), the Civil Disobedience Movement (1930) and the ‘Quit India’ Movement (1942). Since the 1920s, many Christian institutions and organisations like, the All India Conference of Indian Christians, the National Christian Council of India, Christian leaders and student groups related to United Theological College (Bangalore), Serampore Collge (Bengal), St. Paul’s College, Calcutta (Bengal), Malabr Christian College, Calicut (Kerala), the Youth Christian Council of Action (Kerala), the Student Christian Movement of India, the Indian Christian Association of Bengal, a conference of Christians in Bombay, a meeting of Christians in Palayamcotta and Tinnavelly, and the like, passed resolutions expressing complete solidarity with the freedom movement. Some of them even took part in massive manifestations against the British colonial governent.
In 1973 the government of Tamil Nadu published a list of freedom fighters of the State in three volumes under the title Who is Who of Freedom Fighters, Tamil Nadu. From these volumes D.Arthur Jayakumar has culled the names of 103 persons who have been positively identified as Christians. Basing ourselves on Jayakuamr’s findings we mention some of the outstanding Christians of Indian origin who took part in the freedom struggle.
J.C.Kumarappa (original name John Jesudason Cornelius, 1892-1960) was a veteran Congress leader. He received degrees from Ohio Wesleyan University, Boston University and the Universities of Harvard and Columbia. He was professor of Philosophy for some time at Lucknow University. On 9 May 1929 he met Mahatma Gandhi at Sabarmati ashram and that resulted in their becoming close associates. He was a strong supporter of Satyagraha, and encouraged Christian participation in the national movement.
Before Mahatma Gandhi started off the Dandy March in 1931, he encouraged Kumarappa to write regularly for his weekly Young India and informed him that he would be its editor after his imprisonment. Thus Kumarappa became editor of Young India and his fiery writings gave him one and a half years of rigorous imprisonment in 1931. But fortunately he was released after a couple of days, because of the Gandhi-Irwin Pact. He took up the editorship of Young India from Mahatma Gandhi in 1932, which again sent him to jail and was detained in Nasik prison for two and a half years. In 1942 he was under detention and trial for a year and a half in both Bombay and Nagpur. During the ‘Quit India Movement’, he had a hand in the underground activities in Bombay along with his Congress colleagues. These secret sabotage activities led to his arrest. He was sentenced to two and a half years of rigorous imprisonment for three charges and sent to Jabalpur Central Jail until 1945. After his release from the prison – his health completely broken down by then – he took rest at the guesthouse of Leonard Theological College, Jabalpur.
In July 1947 he joined the delegation nominated by Government of India to help India's economic interest in maritime transport at the meeting of shippers in London. Since he was also a prominent figure in Congress affairs, he was given a chance to be a member of the All India Congress Working Committee in place of Jay Prakash Narayan in 1947. But he rejected the offer in spite of Gandhi’s persuasion.
Paul Ramasamy (b.1906) was another important Christian who took part in the freedom struggle. In 1930 he joined the freedom movement during the Salt satyagraha days. He picketed the Bishop Herber College, Thiruchirappalli. He was arrested and sentenced to six months of imprisonment and was kept at Thiruchirapalli and Alipuram jails.
Venkal Chakkarai (b.1880) participated in the Civil Disobedience Movement started by Mahatma Gandhi. In 1930 K.T.Paul went to England to participate in the Round Table Conference. He decried the tendency among some Christians to keep aloof from the National Movement. Like these, there were many other prominent Christians who participated in the national movement either as part of the Congress or outside it.
Arthur Jayakumar says that when the Non-Co-operation Movement was started in 1920, there were Indian Christians in the whole of India who took part in it. The All India Conference of Indian Christians held at Lucknow between 27-30 December 1922 made a reference to some of the Indian Christians who had suffered imprisonment as a result of their involvement in the national movement. N.H.Tubbs, the principal of the Bishop College, Calcutta, wrote a confidential letter to his Mission dated 23 February 1921 stating “a very significant feature of the last months have been the deep interest of Christian students in the national non-co-operation movement”. In 1930 the editor of The Guardian said that a number of Christian young men have joined the Civil Disobedience Movement. Nirad Biswas who later became the bishop of Assam of the Church of India Burma and Ceylon (CIBC) joined the national movement in making salt outside Calcutta in 1932.
Geoerge Thomas notes that Barhmabandhab Upadhyaya (1861-1907) a ‘Hindu Catholic’ sadhu and theologian, played a leading role in the Swadeshi Movement. He was also one of the early leaders who enunciated the philosophy of Non-Co-operation Movement. He edited Sandhya, a national journal founded in 1904, and it had a decisive influence on the masses because it was the only vernacular paper in Bengali, which boldly advocated complete Indian Nationalism. Again, a conference of leading Christians from all over India held at Ranchi in 1923 passed a resolution to give full support to the national movement. In 1930, among the 78 persons who accompanied Mahatma Gandhi during his Salt March from Sabarmati ashram to Dandi, there was a Christian named Thevarthundiyil Titus Titus, a young disciple of Gandhi and a member of a Christian family of Travancore. In the freedom and pro-democracy movement in Travancore in the 1930s and 1940s, prominent Christian leaders like T.M. Varghese, A.J. John, Anne Mascarenes and Akkamma Cherian were pioneering forces. Philoppose Elanjikkal John (1903-1955) was another prominent member of the Travencore State Congress.
Joachim Alva (1907-1979) was another outstanding personality in the history of the freedom struggle. He was profoundly influenced by Mahatma Gandhi’s ideals. As a student leader, he was the pioneer of youth movement in India. He gave whole-hearted devotion to the national movement and gave up his lucrative job in order to dedicate himself for the freedom struggle. He was also a journalist of high calibre who vigorously advocated the concept of swadesh and human brotherhood, especially through his Forum. Mrs.Violet Alva (1908-1969) was another personality with abiding nationalist interest. About the involvement of the Alvas in the freedom movement it has been said: “The combination of Joachim Alva and Violent Alva to the Freedom Movement is significant [….] They risked their all, but they served [the country] to the full extent of their ability which they had in plenty”.
M.V.Kamath, an RSS ideologue and a regular columnist in the RSS weekly the Organiser is a person with little sympathy for Christians. Yet in his autobiography he acknowledges that several Christians took part in the freedom movement and mentions the names of Cyprian Alvares, Joachim Alva, Marcel A. M. D’Souza as Christian freedom fighters. He says: “It is necessary to state that many Roman Catholics I personally know of were very much in the freedom movement and national mainstream”.
The History of Freedom Movement in Kerala, vol.II (2001) contains a mine of information about the participation of Christians in the freedom movement. Travancore received English education by foreign agencies as early as 1806. The new generation under the impact of Western civilisation came to have a broad social and political outlook. The people became independent in spirit and critical in their attitude. They also became conscious of their rights and privileges. For example, in the popular agitation, which came to be known as the “Travancore Memorial” or the “Malayali Memorial” of 1861, drafted and presented to the Maharaja on 11 January 1891, a demanded was made for political rights for the people of Travancore. The Malayali Memorial was an important landmark in the political awakening of the people for mightier movements in later days. The submission of the demand by the Memorial marks the awakening for the first time, of the educated sections of the State of Kerala. It reflected the political aspirations of the leading communities like, Nair, Ezhava, Nambudiri, Latin Christian, Syrian Christian and Anglo-Indian.
Many Christians were associated with the Malayali Memorial and some of them presided over its public meetings. The political meetings held at North Parur, Kottayam and Trivandrum were presided over by Christians like Father Hilarion, Vicar of the Parur Chruch, Rt.Rev.Mar Athanasius, the Matropolitan of the Syrian Church and T.F.Lloyd an Anglo Indian, respectively. In the conference held at Kottyam on 3 June 1891 to examine the contents of the Memorial was attended by prominent Christians like Varghese Mappila and Mani Kathanar, along with leaders of various other communities
George Joseph (1887-1938) was another outstanding Christian who engaged in the freedom struggle. He was one of the three members of the Home Rule deputation sent to England in 1918 to present the Indian case before British public. It has been said that the landslide in the opinion of the Indian Christian Community in favour of nationalism was very much ascribable to his dynamic leadership.
George Joseph represented a high type of culture. He studied at Madras Christian College then he passed out of the Middle Temple, England in 1909. He started legal practice at Madurai, his town of adoption, and was soon attracted to the Home Rule Movement and given training in political organisation by Mrs. Annie Besant. He was one of the first batch of barristers who sacrificed their comforts to engage themselves in national work and joined the Non-Co-operation Movement and boycott of foreign cloth shops. At the bidding of Motilal Nehru he discarded his fashionable dress for the coarser homespun and associated himself as editor of the Allahabad daily The Independent which used to exercise a profound influence on its readers. In 1920 he courted arrest and was kept in Allahabad prison. He was subsequently sentenced to rigorous imprisonment in the course of the Non-Co-operation Movement in 1921. Later he became the editor of the Young India, Mahatma Gandhi’s weekly. In 1922 he was arrested for sedition and spent a year in the Lucknow district jail along with Jawaharlal Nehru, Mahadev Desai, Purushottamdas Tondon and Devdas Gandhi. In 1924 after resigning his membership of the Indian National Congress he went back to the bar, shifting his practice later to Madras. But again he became an active Congress worker.
George Joseph was also invited to assume the leadership of the Satyagraha movement. He led the Vaikam Satyagraha for which he was beaten and arrested and sentenced to imprisonment. Mahatma Gandhi wrote to George Joseph on 6 April 1924 that the latter should let the Hindus do the job and not offer Satyagraha himself so far as the Nagpur resolution of the Congress had called on the Hindus to wipe out untouchability. However, before the letter reached, George Joseph had already joined the Satyagraha. In 1937 George Joseph was elected to the Central Legislative Assembly. He was also the editor of the South Indian Mail.
George Joseph expired on 6 March 1938. Jawaharlal Nehru makes a reference to him in his Autobiography. Of him it is said that he did not pop his tail between the hind legs but if he sowed the wind he was equally ready to reap the whirlwind.
C.Samuel Aaron was another noteworthy Christian who participated in the national movement. He was a great industrialist of North Malabar. The active participation of the Aarons in the national movement began with the Salt Satyagraha Movement of 1930. As the Salt Satyagrahis of Kerala reached the village of Chombal on 16 April 1930, the local residents under the leadership of Samuel Aaron gave them a rousing reception. On 21 April 1930 when the Salt Satragrahis led by K.Kelappan reached the village of Pariyaram near Payyannur, Mrs Gracy Aaron led the women and showered flowers and rice on them. The Satyagraha camp at Payyannur was located on the spacious premises of the large coconut farm belonging to Samuel Aaron.
Samuel Aaron had given the Brighter Hotel Buildings at Cannanore belonging to him for temporary use by the Congress Satayagrahis intent on breaking the salt law from 22 May to 1 June 1930. E.M.Gawne, Collector of Malabar requested Samuel Aaron to evict the Satyagrahis on the threat of prosecution. Samuel Aaron replied that he was willing to face the prosecution though, he added, he could not guess what offence he had committed, for the Congress had not yet declared to be an unlawful organisation. He was charged under section 157 and sentenced to pay a fine of Rs 1000 or undergo rigorous imprisonment for six weeks in default. Since Samuel Aaron refused to pay the fine, he was taken to the Central jail at Cannanore. On 18 July the Payyannur police went to the weaving factory owned by Samuel Aaron at Pazhayangadi with a warrant for claiming his movable property to realise the fine of Rs 1000 imposed on him. They took car-loads of things found in the factory. It has been observed that the participation of the Aarons in the national movement was of unique importance for the Christian community in South India.
Among the leading Christian women leaders who took part in the freedom struggle mention may be made of Mrs. George Joseph, Mrs. Gracy Aaron, Mrs Margaret Pavamani, Miss Mary Thomas and Miss Matilda Kalten.
The rise of modern journalism in Kerala gave a great impetus to the growth of political consciousness. The press became an important medium through which the Western ideas of freedom and democracy began to permeate among the members of the middle class and gradually among the masses. Printing press had been introduced into Kerala by Christians missionaries at the end of the sixteenth century. Probably Rajya Samacharam published by the Basel Mission from June 1847 was the first journalistic publication in Malayalam and its virtual editor was the great German scholar Herman Gundert. Next came Paschimodayam, a monthly, published by Basel Mission at Tellicherry from October 1847. Gundert was associated with this monthly also. It was followed by Paschima Taraka published from Cochin in 1862-1863 and later from Trivandrum. Satyanada Kahalam was published first from Koonamavu and later from Varapuzha and Ernakulam. This was the predecessor of Satyanadam which came to be published as a weekly, and a certain C.Varkey served as its editor for about 48 years. In 1887 Nazrani Deepikaa appeared and in the course of time it became a daily with the tittle Deepika published from Kottyam. In 1888 Malayala Manorma Company was started at Kottayam by Varghese Mappilla Kandathil (1858-1904). He was first the editor of Kerala Mitram, a weekly newspaper, and later of Malayala Manorama (1890 onwards). All these journalistic writings which contributed to political awakening and shaped public opinion and national consciousness were run by Christians.
Considering the numerical insignificance of the Christians in India compared to the Hindus who form the majority population, the Christian contribution in freedom struggle is indeed commendable. In addition, we need to remember that the vast majority of the Christians of India belong to the lower casts and during the independence movement they were still struggling to emancipate themselves from the clutches of the upper castes of Hinduism. Again, Christianity moulded the minds of men, women, children and youth through their educational institutions so that they began to long for freedom from every form of oppression, including the colonial rule. This was also a form of participation of the Christians in the freedom struggle.
Thus patriotism is indeed a Christian virtue. The Indian Christians truly identified themselves with the Indian national movement and demonstrated their deepest concern for the cause. In fact, they were among the prominent persons pioneered and shaped the goals of Indian nationalism. Therefore, as George Thomas rightly observes, the Indian Christian community was not behind any other community in their desire for national freedom and in their readiness to work and make sacrifices for it.
But contrary to the general belief, patriotism was not always a Hindu virtue. The narrow-minded Hindus and their organisations like the Hindu Mahasabha, RSS and others fought for the Hindu religion, Hindu culture, Hindu society and Hindu rashtra. Their real enemies were not the British but the Muslims and the Christians, as is evident from their numerous subversive activities and aggressive pronouncements. Prominent Hindu leaders like Swami Dayananda Saraswati, Swami Vivekananda, Bal Gangadhar Tilak, Keshav Baliram Hedgewar, V.D.Savarkar, B.S.Moonje, M.S.Golwalkar and others stood for the Hindu religion and Hindu rashtra. Theirs was, therefore, a negative nationalism.
The Hindu Mahasbha and the RSS did not participate in the Congress-led independence movement. For most of them, reforming Hindu religion and Hindu society had priority over asking the British to quit India as was the case with Swami Dayananda Saraswati, Swami Vivekananda and Gopal Krishna Agarkar, a close associate of Tilak. Whenever occasion demanded several Hindu leaders tried their best to curry favour with the British with the secret hope that when the latter leaves India the country would be handed over to the Hindutva ideologues so that their pet dream of a Hindu rashtra could be realised. Nathuram Godse assassinated Mahatma Gandhi because the independent India was not the Hindu rashtra he had dreamt and laboured for. Godse wrote in his last will: “My ashes may be sunk in the Holy Sindhu river when she will again flow freely under the aegis of the flag of Hindustan. [….] It hardly matters even if it took a couple of generations for realising my wish. Preserve the ashes till then”.
The Indian struggle for independence was a complex phenomenon with various streams and forces contributing to it. Among those who fought for the freedom of India were great men like Mahatma Gandhi, Jawaharlal Nehru and other secularists. Most of them belonged to the Indian National Congress. There were also true patriots who did not belong to it. However, the one thing common to all of them is that they conceived a secular and culturally pluralistic India – unlike the Hindutva ideologues – and among them were also, as we have seen above, many Christians. Their vision of India went far beyond the Hindu rashtra. Thus they advocated positive nationalism. Hence the question as to who really fought for the freedom of India can be very embarrassing for many Hindutva organisations and Hindutva leaders like, V.D.Savarkar, M.S.Golwalkar, Arun Shourie and their acolytes in the Sangh Parivar.
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(The author is a senior lecturer in Philosophy of religion, Phenomenology of religion and Indian culture. He can be contacted at kurusdb@rediff.mail.com) |
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| Tony, USA |
Aug 28, 2010 |
| There is not enough time and space to catalog the achievements of Indian Christians. You can look up the following names on the interent:Ashok and Vijay Armitraj, Leander Paes, George Fernandes, Arundhati Roy, Dr Verghese Kurien, Frank Moraes, Dom Moraes, Abbe Faria, Remo Fernandes.... |
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| Tony, USA |
Aug 28, 2010 |
| Bengalis despise Shivaji for unleashing violence and plundering Bengalis. They do not need Marathi brutes to tell them who their heroes ought to be. |
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| Puttur Dinesh, USA |
Aug 28, 2010 |
What about it Pai maam?
You don't think he has a right to hold rally just becuase he is a conservative?
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| M.hussain, Qatar |
Aug 28, 2010 |
Vasudeva Kutubam is their mantra - Vinod Raghuvir Shetty
'Vasudaiva KuTumbakam'....Savyasaachi,India
What is the difference between deva and daiva??????????? |
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| Nazeer, Saudi Arabia |
Aug 28, 2010 |
Dear Mr. Puthran,
I live and work in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. Infact I too want to know in which part of Saudi Arabia you are working for.
BTW, it wasn't Mr. Abhay Kumar, it was Mr. Rakesh. I understood it was a typo error.
If we are nearer somewhere here, we shall meet sometimes. Thanks for understanding and keep writing. |
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| Savyasaachi, India |
Aug 28, 2010 |
Vasudeva Kutubam is their mantra - Vinod Raghuvir Shetty
'Vasudaiva KuTumbakam'. |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Aug 28, 2010 |
The biggest, best and the only 'true' democracy witnessed a huge rally organized by Glenn Beck.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bX0EJ_GjC18
I wonder what my 'secular' friends will have to say. |
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| B.P. Putran, Saudi Arabia |
Aug 28, 2010 |
| Dear Raj Ullal, this guy whom you are refering to is not from Bunt community,(he is discrediting bunts community using shettys name) he is impersantor from Gulf lying to this column saying that he is from Belgium, and he discarded Indian citizenship 17 years ago. Please dont take him seriously just ignore him. |
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| B.P. Putran, Saudi Arabia |
Aug 28, 2010 |
| Nazeer Saheb, you have conveyed the message to abay kumar in a very friendly simple way, not using the un parliamentary words like few members use here, your writings, your views on many sensitive issues, touched my heart, which part of saudi arabia you live, please let me know. Ramadhan Kareem to you my brother. |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Aug 28, 2010 |
Dear Abhay Kumar,
Interesting post.
While I agree with many of your points, I don't agree with your notion that Christians haven't contributed anything to the country outside schools and hospitals.
From Military to politics, from journalism to science, there are many individuals who have contributed a lot to our society.
How can we forget our own George Fernandes? I had the great opportunity to meet him back in 2000 and I was totally surprised by his simplicity and dedication. |
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| Nazeer, Saudi Arabia |
Aug 28, 2010 |
Can you please help us to fight in these countires to keep hotels and allow to eat in public places?- Rakesh Oman
Dear brother Rakesh, First of all, you are an expatriate in Oman like me and not belongs to any minority group out there.
The question, why hotels are closed in the day time? The hotelier supposed to ask the government over there. You are allowed to eat at your apartment and they only asking you to respect the law to respect the Muslims who are fasting and not asking you to do the fasting.
If at all you are irritated by their laws, you need not to stay any more because they are not forcing you to stay. You can come back to India or you may go to any other non-Muslim country. You and me are there to earn money and after we achieve over target we will no more staying there. I am in Saudi Arabia not being as a Muslim but just being as an expatriate employee.
So If we need their money we have to bear their rules.
Brother, I can understand your frustration and anger. But what to do RIYAL makes the difference. I have a suggestion, you may take your annual holidays during Ramadan. Most of the families, irrespective of nationalities or religions doing the same.
Now only 12 days left...after that, not only you but we all are free to enjoy man...
I think, your working hours now reduced from 8 hrs to 6 hrs no? I think you have no complaints for that..right?
BTW, after Ramadan, there will be long Eid holidays from 6- 10 days depending on your company rules. I hope you will enjoy these holidays without any complaints.
Have a good time, Brother Rakesh.
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Aug 28, 2010 |
"a civil-war would have been unleashed by RSS/VHP/Ran Sene..." - Steve alias Ravi.
Unfortunately, your post is riddled with lack of historical perspective/ understanding of RSS and why such institutions were born to take on aggressive ideological invaders who were attacking native culture for too long.
In reality, RSS restored the balance, avoided large-scale destruction of native values and took the fight back to 'Masters'.
This is precisely why RSS is the most hated organization in certain corners of Indian society. And, RSS fully understands it.
Here is some food for thought - You and 'Masters' would have probably accused and hated Shivaji with the same passion if he was born in 19th or 20th century!! You want proof? Well, talk to 'peaceful' groups and ask them what they feel about Shivaji. |
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| B.P. Puthran, Saudi Arabia |
Aug 28, 2010 |
| Dr B.M. Hegde, I would like to meet you personally in Mangalore and discuss about the medical malpractises in Mangalore, will you please confirm your email id, thanking you, sincerely. |
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| Guru, India |
Aug 28, 2010 |
Satkarm Ashram,
Shanti Bhavan, Gandhi Road,
Ulhasnagar 421 005
ULHASNAGAR???
Made by USA?
Ulhasnagar Sindhi Association!!! |
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| Judith L, India |
Aug 28, 2010 |
| Hi Srikanth, Are u a follower of the scientist or follower of Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva? |
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| B.P. Putran, Saudi Arabia |
Aug 28, 2010 |
| hey impersonater, who is bragging and who is not bragging lets us see, we are doing at least charity work in Bangalore, gave employment to many people free of travel to Saudi, contributed generously to orphanage in Gandhi nagar, old age home in mangalore, what is your contribution, except abuses. Hey by the bye I will be in Germany next month, would like to meet you in Belgium at least to meet you, would you like to meet me impersonater, waiting for your reply. |
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| B.P. Putran, Saudi Arabia |
Aug 28, 2010 |
Hello you wanted my reply I know by now who you are, you are based either in UAE, saudi or India to abuse, denigrade indian freedom fightes including my father, why impersonating as VRS and tarnishing the image of Bunts community, most of my comments are either edited or removed from here, and the so called impersonator have full information about
GULF and Indians sitting at Belgium, what a joke, my dear Mangaloreans please ignore this guys comments, why cant you do some social works like what we do for the well being of those sufferings instead of abusing. |
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| Judith L, India |
Aug 28, 2010 |
| BUT, I remember replying to Mr. Nagendra Shenoy and not Savyasaachi. |
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| Judith L, India |
Aug 28, 2010 |
Instead "We can tell our parish priest to make it compulsory for at least one visit in a week" why not u b there daily Judith? - Cyril Moras
If u are not interested at least do not stop others from doing so. Reading your posts reminds me of the story of wolf in sheep clothing. |
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| DONY LOBO, DOHA, Qatar |
Aug 28, 2010 |
Dear Riana, Canada: [Monti Fest Music)
If you can give your email address I will immidiatly scan and send you many hymns rlevant for the Monthi Fest. If you desire to give it in the EYT columns fine or you can direct it through the portal editor. Please just confirm if you only want the words or even the Musical score. |
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| Judith L, India |
Aug 28, 2010 |
| Good we came to know u r from RSS. One plea, pls. can you stop young girls from being misused into prostitution and stop child begging and child labour and of course stop pan parag, manik chand, which gives cancer and other serious disease to society. this will prove you'll don't get royalties from gutkha kings. I want to see this happen. |
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium |
Aug 28, 2010 |
Savvyasaachi - Thanks for your comment, Congress is another face of BJP, whatever they do just they keep in mind of vote bank politics. There are lots of issues that has to be addressed by UPA Govt that is hidden by them because Hindu terror will make another maha sangram. Why Narendra Modi is too silent now and he did told that he is the power and that power is gone and he had understood that he will be in Jail very soon like his chela Amit Shah.
Crime against humanity will have its own law, none can escape from it. Soon, the noose will be on V.S. Achari so that he can straightly join the kailasa (I doubt is there any Kailasa), it is apathy to see that people who boasts that Vasudeva Kutubam is their mantra fails to adopt it. They only knows to hate and hate lower caste Hindus and religious minorities in India.
None has escaped the noose of nature and certainly all those culprits crime against humanity will face it and we will watch it.
Why there is no inquiry about traitor Mohan Bhagwats connection ISI? |
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| Judith L, India |
Aug 28, 2010 |
Judith, I appreciate your sentiment. Were you not imploring on EYT not to help the kids begging on the street because you saw the connection of the people profiting behind this facade ? -Kiran, USA
Daily when we walk on the streets of Mumbai it is pathetic to see the children beggin in the hot sun, rain, cold. This might not bother you because you are an NRI in USA but we have to go through this daily. For the child beggars I have always said to stop giving money so that less children become a prey to crime and less children will be kidnapped and sold to solicit begging racket. I hope you understand and just don't comment for the sake of commenting. |
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium |
Aug 28, 2010 |
| Hey Shenoy - We are enjoying the beer which is world class and not the beer of your Mallya Maam, whoever comes VRS will be here in EYT no matter what and believe that you have came out from hibernation or will you go into hibernation zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
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| Judith L, India |
Aug 28, 2010 |
I hope you really understand what a big difference that would make, instead of charities bailing out the irresponsibilities of a self serving Government. - Kiran, USA
Of course we would like our Govt. to function, so that there are no charitable institutions and all such Instituion like Mother Teresa's homes, including Sai Baba, Tirupati, Baba Amte's institutes can go on a long peaceful holiday. But till the Govt starts funtioning what are we supposed to do ? It is 63 years now since Independence ? should we allow the poor and hungry to die ? |
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Aug 28, 2010 |
But when I read the matrimonial columns in The Hindu (Chris, don't question me;-)) - DP
Hola, DP.
Nope, I'm gonna question you as to why at 60+ you look up matrimonial's like a 30+ frustrated chap would do!
Know why? Coz I have turned over a whole new TREE instead of the proverbial 'new LEAF'! So, if you see the roots poking out and showing where the branches and leaves should be, do excuse me. :) |
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Aug 28, 2010 |
I like light beers - less hopps. Most bitter is the Sam adams. But then again its acquired taste. - PDP Jr.
Well, it all boils down to ones individual tastes, I feel. I prefer the bitter-strong taste of Strong beers such as Amsterdam (8.6% v/v), KF Strong, Red Horse etc. Do you know how long it would take the Human body to metabolize it (1 can or 500 ml)?
Here is the formula:- No. of Units = [% strength in V/V x Volume Consumed] / 1000
Hence, 1 large an (500 ml) of 8.6% v/v alcohol = [8.6 x 500]/1000 = 4.3 Units
Considering the fact that usually, it takes the human body about 1 hour to metabolize 1 unit of alcohol, the human body would need 4.3 hours to metabolize just 1 beer!
On the other hand, the no. of units of alcohol in a large glug (60 ml) of scotch (42.8 % V/V) = [42.8 x 60]/1000 = 2.57 Units.
So if a person consumes say half a bottle of scotch (500 ml) he would need 21.4 hours to get it out of his system!
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That reminds me of a joke - A man and his family coming back from a party, is asked by a cop to pull over. He quickly opens his hip-flask and asks his 5 year old son to have a quick glug even as his wife screeches -"what are you doing?"
The cop comes over, sniffs around and asks - "Sir, have you been drinking?"
The man: "Of course not".
Officer: "Then you wouldn't mind if we do a breath-analyzer test".
Man: "Of course not"!
The breath-analyzer shows sky-high levels of alcohol and the cop is about to take the man away to the can.
The man: "Officer, hang on. There is something wrong with your machine coz I didn't touch a drop. Why don't you check my sons breath"?
The officer obliges and checks the 5 year old's breath for alcohol! It shows plenty of alcohol too!
"See, I told you" gloats the man. "Your machine is kaput".
The cop lets them go. |
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| elias, India |
Aug 28, 2010 |
| Gandhiji had three vanaras. manu had four varanas(varnas) Gandhi deleted one which we do not know. probably the human. |
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| Savyasaachi, India |
Aug 28, 2010 |
have see many having MBAs from run-off-the-mill institutions selling credit cards, trying to get customers for bank loans and doing other sundry jobs - Nelson Lewis
'Power Distance' is rampant in India and amongst Indians. The above statement by Nelson Lewis seconds that.
I agree with NL when he mentioned that their communication and other soft-skills are poor. But is it I HAVE SEE or I HAVE SEEN? Is it Run-off-the-mill or run-of-the-mill? Is it Cattles or Cattle? Anyways.
Imagine if I had to buy a Credit Card or avail a Housing Loan from ICICI Bank. Will an IIM Graduate come to my office post 6PM with a hundred odd applications and explaining me the Lifetime Free Credit Card features? (whether mine or the scheme's lifetime will be written in size 8 at the rear of the application)
I cant imagine myself being an ICICI Bank Manager when I don't have these guys under me selling Credit Cards and Housing Loans. If one looks at the brighter side of it, these guys in the grass-root level would be better marketers as they know the behaviour of clients very well than the Manager who simply fills up Excel sheets and sends to his boss.
No job is big or small. It is one's own inferiority complex that makes one think his job to be small. Most of the guys who land up in these jobs are no doubt of lesser-reputed Institutions, but belong to lower-middle class families and their parents might not even have an UG certificate to boast and earn a very moderate salary or wages. Some from here may make it to the elite Universities, many do not. Their children reaching MBA Schools and getting to interact with HNIs for business is an achievement in itself. Quite a few GMs and CMs in the PSU Banks started off as Clerks selling Fixed Deposits or Vikas Patra, though they did it sitting inside the Bank. We have to understand the complexities of India and it's population and not look everything from the prism of Suit-Boot-Blackberry. |
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| Raghu S., UAE |
Aug 28, 2010 |
Hinduism whose forefathers are ..Nandan,USA
Nandan if you wish to move backwards its up to you. let me move forward and live by choice, you should be back with the cave men because they were actually your as well as mine forefathers. |
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| Nelson Lewis, Bahrain |
Aug 28, 2010 |
Dear Mr. A.S. Mathew,
How are you my friend? Nice to read your posts.
From what little I know, U.S. nationals of Indian origin are considered to be the most highly educated segment in that landmass. They invest in education and most of them may not necessarily be PhDs or Post-Graduates, but are at least Graduates.
Even amongst the working class, U.S. nationals of Indian origin fall in the topmost income brackets, with most of them being professionals.
Now, when it comes to education, I have seen a large directory listing the Universities in U.S.A. However, just having Degrees from U.S. Universities is not an achievement in itself, because it depends where one studied. Few Universities like Yale, Princeton, M.I.T., Harvard and others are Universally recognised.
Indians going for education to States enroll in the best Universities and you can make that out when we interact with them. Their abilities, confidence levels, communication skills and other parameters speak for them.
However, I have interacted with nationals of other countries educated in U.S. and being Graduates and Post-Graduates. When you speak to them and see their abilities and writing skills, you immediately know that they have been educated in third rate Universities in U.S.A. Further, looking at their lifestyles, one can safely conclude that they just went there primarily for fun and frolic, rather than serious study and doing well in academic pursuits.
From the Directory of Universities that I have gone through, I reckon that are thousands of Universities in U.S.A. and many of them may be quite small. However, the famous ones have students up to 30,000, I presume.
To conclude, though higher the education level the merrier it is. Nevertheless the crux of the matter is that where did one educate himself. It is meanigless to get a PhD from an unknown institution, rather than being a Graduate from a reputed University. Many people brag that they are MBAs. Just being an MBA is not an achievement in itself.
If one has done his MBA from a good institution, then a job lands in his lap or he gets a good job without much effort. However, I have see many having MBAs from run-off-the-mill institutions selling credit cards, trying to get customers for bank loans and doing other sundry jobs. When you interact with them, you know that they are poor in communication, in writing, in selling their stuff, etc.
However, with the opening of the Indian economy, many families send their children to U.S. or some other country abroad, for education. With many it has become a status symbol.
From what little I could gather from your post, I am very happy to learn that your children are educated and obviously doing well in their careers and lives. My best wishes to you and your family.
Regards,
Nelson |
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| D.P.Kumar, India |
Aug 28, 2010 |
Sorry Praveen,
My keyboard was paralysed. I could only read but was unable to write. Hence this delay.
I cannot answer your questions as you are inquiring of conversion figures and amounts without specifying from and to which religion.
Probably, you guessed something, without going in to detail what I wrote and whom I wrote.
Please do not make hurried conclusions.
Whether you are referring to Church of England figures, IRDF or Joshua Project.
Welcome to Mangalore. You may call me on 9448457462. |
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| Stany D'Souza, USA |
Aug 28, 2010 |
"I wish all other Swamijis will follow the same to make everyone in India as one religion .. Hinduism whose forefathers are .. just get away with Foriegn religion which no solid crentiality .. Make Bharath Mahan with love prosperity and happy Family.." -- Nandan, USA.
A myopic, ill-conceived and irrational post, which does not belong in EYT. |
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| Stany D'Souza, USA |
Aug 28, 2010 |
"Read the post from Sam, Bermuda. After all, Benny Hinn is simply repeating the same trick that has been going on for several centuries now!" -- R. Pai.
For a serious question elusive answer? I did not expect it better; especially, when abstract claims are made to ferment religious divide. |
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| D.P.Kumar, India |
Aug 28, 2010 |
"God punishes the children for the sins of the fathers to the third and fourth generation.?"- Cyril Moras
It may not be God punishing. Children suffer for the sins of their parents to the fourth generation. This is also an Hindu belief.
I remember, in the late seventies in a monthly magazine Mirror, during the Christmas, there was a lead article: "Has Christianity Influenced Hinduism?" by Rev.Martin Joseph.
Probably it may be the influence either ways. |
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| D.P.Kumar, India |
Aug 28, 2010 |
Does Kiran have a surname>@Steve
I like you Steve, because you don't use a surname.
But why do you ask Kiran that question?
Just go through one of the best pieces on caste and surnames written by Anbumani Ramadoss publishes in The Hindu of yester date.
Well written and serious observations.
Somewhere he claims, if Tamil Nadu can do away with (adding surnames to names), why not the rest of India to do away with caste differentiation?
But when I read the matrimonial columns in The Hindu (Chris, don't question me;-)) I find the caste is as much a part in the lives of Tamilians including those converted to Christianity!! |
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| PDP JR, India |
Aug 27, 2010 |
Trying to figure out between the strong coffee and the choice of beers.
Yank Coffee doora. Strong coffee nanala dooora. Daye panda, bayigandala banjigapuji! (those parietal cells of the stomach are over sensitive to the components of coffee).
Caffeine of coffee gives me too much high than desired - over stimulation.
I love tea. I prepare it myself, need it every morning. Bayyagh parunda nidre doora.
As for Beer: I like Cheaper Budwiser but mexican beer is great too. So is Chinese and Thai Beer. I hate the German ones ( whats it called Heiniken?).
I like light beers - less hopps. Most bitter is the Sam adams. But then again its acquired taste.
PS: too much bing beer drinking is not good as one may develop acute pancreatitis - back in Mangalore I heard of a group of students on beer drinking competition ending in this tragedy. For those with high triglycerides - beer gives a boost as it is rich in malt - readily converted to fat if drunk in excess. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Aug 27, 2010 |
Der se aaye par durust ayae.-Judith
Kyaji aap bhi dialogue bol rahin haein! I am so inspired by sis Judith today.! |
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| K Shenoy, India |
Aug 27, 2010 |
very nice tribute to mother theresa, who served mankind, sacrificing her life.
we need more nancy pereiras than vrs and other fundamentalists who are blemishes to christian society today, spreading hatred. |
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| K Shenoy, India |
Aug 27, 2010 |
whenever we meet in the future we will have it mate.
dosti ya dostana?
vrs sounds very emotional by the thought of beer. i don't know whether he follows quarterly or beerly maggi(not maggi noodles. maggi as in maggi pusthaka). this is better than abusing somebody as chaddymaga rss as soon as vrs sees a hindu name cropping up in eyt. |
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| Om Shetty, India |
Aug 27, 2010 |
RSS does not teach love and kindness. It teaches divide and conquor policies...steve Australia
If you dont know about the work of RSS, go and study properly keeping your bias mind aside. The swayamsevaks work for the welfare of down trotten people in far off places without any expectation of publicity. If you want to know their work watch any flood effected area or any emergrncy and you will find a big number of swayam sevaks at rescue operations helping people in difficulties. Without caring for any caste or creed they help people selflessly. Please come to our shakha and understand what actually goes on there. It is open for all and nothing is behind closed door. The great thing about the organisation is we dont go to anybody for donation etc. Swayamsevaks themselves contribute themselves for the work of Rashtra Uththan. Long Live RSS |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Aug 27, 2010 |
"Now that Pai has agreed to be the bigger person and not retaliate..." - Puttur Dinesh.
Dear PD,
Didn't you see my 'apology' letter to our amazingly talented, once-a-child prodigy, now-a-powerlifter, our dear friend Chris Rego?
I have been mesmerized by his debating skills. In fact, he has pointed out how 'stupid' I am for bringing up the idea of Nobel prize for him. Well, after all what do I know? He must be right as he is always right.
As to your 'beer summit' - Well, I thought you would do justice to your name by inviting us to 'Hotel Hari Prasad' at Puttur for Masala dosa and strong coffee. |
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| Austin Noronha, Qatar |
Aug 27, 2010 |
http://atrl.net/forums/showthread.php?t=83801
I would request all to check this link to get rid of your tensions. Please watch it till the end. I wanted to share it in my facebook but I couldn't. coz I am naive in IT. |
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Aug 27, 2010 |
| Done PD. We have to catch up sometime and down those Amstel's or Amsterdam's. If the beer of our choice isn't available, we can always go in for KF - the King of Good Times! |
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| Puttur Dinesh, USA |
Aug 27, 2010 |
Not Pain, Pai.
Sorry about the typo |
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| Cyril Moras, India |
Aug 27, 2010 |
"otherwise why only common people are killed in terrorist attacks " Judith L,; like your question I too had a question.
Isaiah 13:11- 16
" ...His burning anger...Their little ones will also be dashed to pieces before their eyes;
their houses will be plundered and their wives ravished"
i was always at odds thinking what the children or women done for them to suffer! just the other day an co-passenger while discussing asked me to read -Numbers 14:18.
He was telling me that God punishes the children for the sins of the fathers to the third and fourth generation.
Is it correct Sis.Judith? |
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| Savyasaachi, India |
Aug 27, 2010 |
"The issue was of terror. Terror has no colour. Terror is black. Saffron was part of freedom struggle, mythology, ancient history. It cannot be the prerogative of any political party," Dwivedi said.
http://ibnlive.in.com/news/cong-rebuffs-pc-says-terror-has-no-colour/129732-37-64.html?from=tn
VRS and Sabi, why is Congress letting go such a SAFFRON opportunity to corner the BJP? Both the IAS activists and MYSELF want this 'Saffrom Terror' term to be coined big time and fuelled more.
But that will not happen. The Congress too is gearing up for the upcoming state elections. |
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| Cyril Moras, India |
Aug 27, 2010 |
I should have won a Nobel prize
CR, U R Grossed out! |
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| Cyril Moras, India |
Aug 27, 2010 |
| Instead "We can tell our parish priest to make it compulsory for at least one visit in a week" why not u b there daily Judith? |
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| Savyasaachi, India |
Aug 27, 2010 |
The President does not require such a highly qualified dentist to take care of her tooth - Prasad Kamath
With the ruling and opposition parties of Karnataka fighting TOOTH and nail over anti-Cow slaughter Bill every 3rd Day at the RB, I guess it is a good option. |
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium |
Aug 27, 2010 |
| Chris my mate - I love Budweiser and it is the taste for any moment, whenever we meet in the future we will have it mate. |
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| Savyasaachi, India |
Aug 27, 2010 |
| Sister Judith, thank you. That anagram was not my creation, I read it somewhere on the net. And yes, there won't be full-stop. Those at the helm do not want one. |
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| Puttur Dinesh, USA |
Aug 27, 2010 |
Sure Chris
Your Amstellite is on me, I hope it is available in India. I will have a miller lite. One neer kammi pear Kammi Maggige for Pain and Naags.
Have a good weekend floks. |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Aug 27, 2010 |
"Probably, Keralites may have been in Yemen..." - Nelson Lewis.
Dear Nelson,
You are right. People from Yemen look more like Indians than other arab countries.
Some of the arabs also look like those from Somalia/Ethiopean arabs (they have dark skin but arab facial features), right? Don't they chew on those leaves in Yemen? Also, poor parts of Yemen remind us of Indian villages. I'm just wondering if you had the opportunity to travel to these areas and see their lifestyle in person... |
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium |
Aug 27, 2010 |
PDP Jr- I liked your comment to Puttur Dinesh and let the world knows that religions are man made and they have always sidelined the females.
But who will understand it, people have religions above their chambers so they will not understand and I have asked several times that can anyone show us the god or did they seen the GOD. |
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| Judith L, India |
Aug 27, 2010 |
| good juggling but instead of 'You' it can be just 'U'. good there is no fullstop after lakhs. |
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium |
Aug 27, 2010 |
New dimension to the terrorism in India, now terrorism has reached new heights with the help of Sangh parivar terrorists.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saffron_terror
Now who told that terrorism has no religion? let us hear from Rajnath Singh, LK Advani, Narendra Modi, Ashok Singhal, Vinay Katiyar, Uma Bharati and others....
RSS angels in this forum may take the exception to keep silent because they have no words to mention.
Ab Ayega Maaza Kaliya. |
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium |
Aug 27, 2010 |
| Puthran - 31 years in Saudi wow great achievement, but I never thought that you are such a braggrat, and konkan rail does not travel in that much of speed as you did in your comment. |
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium |
Aug 27, 2010 |
| Nagendra - You have to thank BJP and RSS for leaving the lions to roar in Karnataka and only catching the macchhars, why Mutalik and other Sangh parivar goons still out and even thanks to Nalayak RSS HM Achari for giving different statements and this is the clear proof that what is RSS backed BJP government achieving. Bullocks brotha smiles... giggles... |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Aug 27, 2010 |
"How it happened Mr. Pai?" - Asks Stany D'Zouza repeating my question!
Well, my friend
Read the post from Sam, Bermuda. After all, Benny Hinn is simply repeating the same trick that has been going on for several centuries now! |
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| Judith L, India |
Aug 27, 2010 |
We are all Indians first and the religion comes next. - Shenoy R
Der se aaye par durust ayae. Pls. can u share ur research with OR Pai. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Aug 27, 2010 |
So If Yenepoya would invite me for their next Iftihar party, they better invite my wife too.
-PDP Jr
Daawat-e- Biryani has limited guest list PDP. Don't you worry. The restaurants in Mangalore still serve good food. |
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Aug 27, 2010 |
Dear PD,
T H U D!
Know what's that? I DROPPED it!
Know why - solely b'coz my best pal Pai said that I should have won a Nobel prize for reading books at a young age when he was mugging up his aaru moorli maggis! Mind you PD - the frigging Nobel and that too for reading! Things can't any more stupider than that, can they?
So I DROP it. So what shall it be, PD? Budweiser or Heineken? For me, a 8.4% Amsterdam will do. Cheers, mate. |
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| Judith L, India |
Aug 27, 2010 |
| May be OR Pai, you must take a joy ride in 'Mother Exprsss' train so that the spirit of Mother Teresa will make you preach less and do social work more. |
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| Judith L, India |
Aug 27, 2010 |
| Mr. Francis, I will tell you nothing would have happened becos all these SO MLAs, MPs, politicians are hand-in-glove with terrorists. otherwise why only common people are killed in terrorist attacks in trains, on roads, in buildings, in mosques, temples, churches, everywhere. |
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| puttur Dinesh, USA |
Aug 27, 2010 |
Hey Pai maam and Chris
You guys still seem to be going for each others Jugular. Chris I respect your intellect man, never thought you would waste your time on silly discussion. Now that Pai has agreed to be the bigger person and not retaliate, can you guys let it go.
Lets have a beer together guys like Obama's beer summit. |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Aug 27, 2010 |
"so St.Thomas told them, what sort of god is yours, he is not accepting your offering..." - Sam
Dear Sam,
Thanks for confirming what I was writing all these days. Thank you once again! |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Aug 27, 2010 |
"He would swoon if he knew that I was thru with Sidney Sheldon, Jack Higgins, Nick Carter, Alistair Mac-lean, Jack Higgins et al in my 6th - 7th std!" - Chris Rego.
My friend,
I wonder how you missed the Nobel prize all these years!! (I hope it is not some RSS conspiracy!! Never under estimate hindu terrorists...Grrrrr)
No wonder you didn't know the meaning of 'pakkavaaadya' OR say things like 'Go to Kuvempu'. Clearly, you were getting 'educated' by some 'elites'. Woooooo.....I am soooo impressed !!
Let me guess - you were listening to heavy metal when 'haLLi guggu' characters like me were listening to 'MeLa Karthara' raagas, right? You were probably watching all those 'great' Hollywood movies when backward people like me were watching Srinath-Prabhakar kannada movies, right?
Hmmm.....what an amazing person you are!! Great, great!!!! |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Aug 27, 2010 |
"Your pal Pai hesitates to have a meaningful and proper dialogue with me." my friend, Chris from UAE telling 'truth' to Nagendra Shenoy.
Dear friend Chris,
You are right. Readers can read our previous posts and find out how you are answering every question while I just repeat the same old stuff that resembles more of morse code than English.
Honestly, I am quite dissappointed with my inability to grow beyond personal attacks and engage in meaningful discussion with you.
I apologize for not matching your level in this intellectual wrestling.
Thanks for your patience. |
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| Judith L, India |
Aug 27, 2010 |
indian hisotry itself proves who are responsible for devide india in to 2 pieces and put hatredness among hindu muslim brothers.. Karikutte
Is it the Indian christian's who divided Hidus and Muslims please read your history text book properly. |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Aug 27, 2010 |
Nelson Lewis,
The best anagram so far -
Suresh Kalmadi = Sir You Made Lakhs. |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Aug 27, 2010 |
Do you take speaking classes too Ruben? Or only 'slow poisoning' classes??
As for me Tweeting, I know what best to do. You can kindly lay off. |
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| Stany D'Souza, USA |
Aug 27, 2010 |
"Scroll down almost to the bottom of the page and read the 'Demographics' section. Both in Mizoram and Nagaland, 90% of the population are Christians. In Meghalaya, it is 70%. Hmm...I wonder how it all happened." -- Mr. Pai.
How it happened Mr. Pai? |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Aug 27, 2010 |
Chris, my friend from UAE,
You haven't answered any of my questions from my earlier posts. Remember - I gave you two simple questions!! smiles...
Instead, now you are calling for Austin's help. What next? Call for your poet friend's help so you can once again congratulate eachother? smiles...
By the way, thanks for 360 deg acknowledgment. You are getting better and it still leaves me with some hope!
;-) |
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| B.P. Puthran, Saudi Arabia |
Aug 26, 2010 |
| Living in Saudi arabia for over 31 years I personally recruited many indians to my office, still they are working, send money home, we do charity work, irrespective of caste, creed, religion. |
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| Nelson Lewis, Bahrain |
Aug 26, 2010 |
Dear Mr. Pai,
When I was in an Arabian Gulf country, I used to see many Yemenis working as labourers and resembling Kakas from Kerala, who used to sell tender coconuts when I was a youngster.
They are short-statured, dark and have curly hair. Probably, Keralites may have been in Yemen (or erstwhile Aden in good old days) and sowed their wild oats.
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| Kiran, USA |
Aug 26, 2010 |
Must Read ! Very Powerfully Worded. Bravo - Prakash Bajaj, Editor of Times of India. --Judith
Thanks for posting that. Yes, powerfully worded and well written. |
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| B.P. Puthran, Saudi Arabia |
Aug 26, 2010 |
| Kumara Swamy has second wife film actress Radhika, he purchased a house for 3 crores and got a child from her, she is living now somewhere outskirts of Bangalore at the mercy of Humble Farmers son Kumara swamy, I had written him a letter for which there was no reply. Every chief ministers had affairs, take Yaddiyurappa with Shobakka, Kumaranna with Radhika, SM Krishna with Saroja Devi, JH Patel with numerous affairs, Ramakrishna hegde with news reader Rinku, DK Shivkumar with Tejaswini present MP, only known relationship unknown god knows. |
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| Nelson Lewis, Armenia |
Aug 26, 2010 |
Gyani,
Do you mean to say Yeddyurappa is a honest man? To put it in decent and mild English, I would not trust this person as far as I can sneeze (and not something else.
In short, I am not defending Dharam Singh or H.D. Krishnaswamy or any other politician. They are totally unpatriotic, corrupt to the core, selfish, indecent and a disgrace.
If Indians do not unite and get rid of these politicians who are a scourge and ensure that decent people replace them, then this raping of the country will go on.
Regards,
Nelson |
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| Nelson Lewis, Bahrain |
Aug 26, 2010 |
I wonder if only 10% or 20% of the money fundded for the Commonwealth Games being held in Delhi are being spent on it. Something makes me feel that the other money may have been pocketed by the major players.
Suresh Kalmadi may you live a 100 years and may your tribe increase and prosper and may you use the leftovers of Rs. 4,000/- toilet rolls. These are the hallmark of the Indian politicians.
I would not be surprised if some stadium collapses, due to interior materials used in shoddy construction and the culpits get scot-free. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Aug 26, 2010 |
PUTTUR DINESH YOU ARE A CHRISTIAN WRITING WITH HINDU NAME.-Nasood
Not necesarily so. Christains do have such names. In case of PD ,it is the pseudonym as claimed by him long ago. I would say Dinesh is an Indian name rather than Hindu name. Roshan can be a muslim name or a Hindu name. We are all Indians first and the religion comes next. [Read it as aethism in the case of some special individuals] |
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Aug 26, 2010 |
If you observe your activities on Mangalorean.com, it has only increased in the last 1-2 months. - Nagendra - the 3rd Umpire!
I meant regarding watching movies, Nags! Why dya jump the gun like your pal Bamboo toting Pai?
Just Tweet and bleat like you're used to and I'd say " yes sir, yes sir - 3 bags full"!
Your pal Pai hesitates to have a meaningful and proper dialogue with me. Such is his obsession with his sticks and topi!
Don't get muck on your whites, mate! Grow up a tad and learn to speak! |
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| Sharaaz, USA |
Aug 26, 2010 |
I am still looking for an answer. Why hatred, jealous, killings order of the day in the name of religion for what? We all come to this world with the knowledge of one GOD, with HIS permission we take birth anyone can deny this fact? then why conversion? hatred, killings? - B.P. Puthran, Saudi Arabia
Since you are in Saudi Arabia, you have to approach promotion of virtue and prevention of vice department in Saudi Arabia or Ministry of Islamic Affairs there and they might take your highly valued suggestion so they can give you award for it also, but who will suggest the Sangh parivar who is also advocating hatred, jealous, killings in the name of the religion will you advise them also the same. In India, saffron terrorism is in it peak in all the form and to maintain neutrality you should address the grave issue to them also, do it in their website also. Will you do that please…. |
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| Sharaaz, USA |
Aug 26, 2010 |
All you people, quit being defensive, man up and bring your women to Iftaar parties. They are not second class citizens - Puttur Dinesh,
Good that you have advised Muslims to be along the women’s and not to separate them from the functions. But who will advise the sports fraternity no to have separate sports for women and men. Example: women’s tennis & men's tennis et al.
Please be kind enough to advise the sports fraternity also even in India there is women's cricket and you should ask BCCI to select 6 men and 6 women to the national team, after all there is no gender partiality and tell your country US to have female president and tell them not to have partiality on salary in US for male and females.
Will you do it please…. |
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium |
Aug 26, 2010 |
| Thimmappa- Everyone get share and Yeddi is just a nameshake CM, the de facto rulers of Karnataka is reddy brothers at the mercy of their fraud raj matha Sushma Swaraj. Even a big share of money goes to RSS also, it is a business between RSS and BJP, BJP is paying loyalty fees to RSS leader traitor and ISI agent Mohan Bhagwat. |
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Aug 26, 2010 |
Do you realize that you hardly make any points by bad-mouthing me or RSS or VHP? Well, you can live in denial and keep your 'Masters' happy. Or, try some reading and understand the realities: - Pai
Looks like Omez-40 didn't help you one bit! Poor Pai. He is shattered coz his Masters got caught. Poor Bloke, he can't even accept the fact that he is in denial! He harps on and on about DP's month-back post and exonerates THE MASTERS of his small lil universe!
My sympathies again, Pai. Your condition seems kinda precarious. Why don't you see Dr Shenu before you get palps?
Bad mouth RSS?VHP/SS - what do you want me to do? Garland them?
Hey Austin, this chap has been born and brought up on his Fav Amar Chitra katha and Tinkle Comics. Probably, he reads them even now for inspiration before his wields his clumsy gadha on EYT. Sad...... he has NO style, no originality, no persona EXCEPT to reflect that of his RSS/VHP father figures! Should I add Sushma as Maa too?
Bloke talks to me about reading! Ha! He would swoon if he knew that I was thru with Sidney Sheldon, Jack Higgins, Nick Carter, Alistair Mac-lean, Jack Higgins et al in my 6th - 7th std! Forget about that kiddo stuff by Enid Blyton and the fairies!
Poor Pai. Mother Theresa's blessings on you putha! |
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Aug 26, 2010 |
Hmm...I wonder how it all happened. - O. Pai
Maybe they got tired of Valmiki's stories, and wanted a change for the time-being and later it became a habit and people stuck to it?
Maybe it is time for you to believe in your 360 deg theory (reference - The GREATEST of the great Original Pai, Source: EYT - say 3 weeks back).
There, did I humor thy Greatness, O'Pai? |
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| Austin Noronha, Qatar |
Aug 26, 2010 |
What a clown! Chris
Chris if you think Acharya is clown in pants and shirts then what would you say if you see him in short loose bell bottom khaki chaddi of RSS held tight on his waist with a belt made of cow skin and rattling bamboo sticks in the air like a bruce lee. He has made a laughing stock of himself and degraded the seat of home minister. Shame on this primitive man with primitive thinking. |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Aug 26, 2010 |
"I have a middle eastern look..." A.S.Mathew
Dear AS Mathew,
Many Indians have middle eastern looks. In fact, many Arabs looks like Indians. The same thing goes with hispanics, especially from today's Mexico, Panama, Honduras area.
These things can be explained if you study how different races settled and interacted with each other over thousands of years. |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Aug 26, 2010 |
"Fatima and Nakul Shetty (his own creations of course)" - "Steve", Australia on Kiran.
Interesting to see this coming from "Steve", Australia who is already known for his Steve/Ravi and other imaginary roles as part of his 'Dashaavataara"!!
Smiles... |
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| B.P. Puthran, Saudi Arabia |
Aug 26, 2010 |
to all my brothers and sisters in islam.
when non-muslim religions teach non-voilence, love one another, help the person in distress, pray for those who are in difficult situation, why muslims only help each other and they dont offer prayers belong to another community/ religion, Hindus says that 'SARVA SUKHINO BHAVNTHU' christians from Revered Pope to christian heads, pastors, fathers/sisiters offer prayer to everyone irrespective of their caste, creed, and religion, most of the religion in the world mix with other religion why not islam, they maintain seperate identity are they separte from other human race? Comparing the turmoil in this world, take it Philippines Moros nationalists(muslims)demanding seperate country Mindanao, Kashmiris in India wanted seperate country, Afganistan, Pakistan,china (muslim upriseing was ruthlessly curbed by chinese) I am still looking for an answer. Why hatred, jealous, killings order of the day in the name of religion for what? We all come to this world with the knowledge of one GOD, with HIS permission we take birth anyone can deny this fact? then why conversion? hatred, killings? |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Aug 26, 2010 |
With a lil daughter who hogs all my time, I hardly find time for anything else - Chris Rego
Chris,
If you observe your activities on Mangalorean.com, it has only increased in the last 1-2 months. Before that, you would post once in 2 days or so, mostly 1-2 liners. Once in a fortnight you would entertain us with some fables mixed with humour, mostly something that has got to do with our good friend PD indirectly or your bigtime nemesis BD directly. Most of your replies to Kiran USA were via fables after a week and not direct responses like how it is now.
You have also strolled a lot in the WWW of India Today, Times of India via a connecting WWW i.e. Google, something that has challenged the Indian President's stroll in the lavish Moghul Garden (which is the only job unless untill there is a Hung Parliament or a Bill to be signed) The Bhishma v/s Parashurama or Inspector Vijay v/s Sher Khan was also showcased as we all stood on the sidelines and watched it on our toes though there seemed to be no clear winner. And today, you took us for a North East trip too! (But thank you, I had thought it is Guwahati that was the capital of Assam as it is the biggest city in that State. Now Google says, Guwahati is among the 100 fastest growing cities in the World and 5th in India and it's name is derived from 'Guwa' meaning Areca and 'Hati' meaning Market place)
This is just my observation and it was surprsing when you said you hardly find time these days. Anyways, enjoy your time Chris and best wishes to your lil daughter. I know how it is to lose one's Bachelor's degree and how it is to get a promotion too, all thanks to my friends' Facebook Wall :) |
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| Kiran, USA |
Aug 26, 2010 |
Moghul invasion is sathya, Aryan invasion is mithya (created by pseudo intellectuals like Max Mueller). Were you honestly not aware of that before ?
.........Kiran, USA
Aryan Hindus are invaders 4000 years ago. this fact was accepted by very First PM of India Jawahar lal nehru in his book 'discovery of India'. He himself is Hindu and Brahmin. Now don't try to alter the history. --Adil, Qatar
Mr. Adil, During Jawaharlal Nehru's time, there was no other theory. I guess he was gullible enough to buy into this revised history of Max Mueller and other westerners. That idea is so flimsy - it just took one word 'Arya' from the Vedas and concocted a theory that it meant Aryans from Germany! Very silly.
To fit everything into this theory, they had to compress the historic timeline and it does not make any sense. For example, they tried to say that Aryans invaded 4000 years ago (2000BC) and Vedas were written after that over a period of 1500 years. Then there is no time for Ramayana and Mahabharata to take place, because both of them refer to the Vedas. And Buddha is already on the scene. Very very silly.
Today, there are more sophisticated research methodologies, using which they have dated the drying of the Saraswati River, the flooding of Dwaraka and planetary positions at the time of the Mahabharata war and Ramayana, etc. The dating goes back to 5500BC for Mahabharata and 7000BC for Ramayana. Then, the Vedas have to come before that !
Just search the internet, you will find lot more proof of debunking the Aryan theory. Those whose eyes are open cannot but see, unless their minds are closed. |
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| Kiran, USA |
Aug 26, 2010 |
Look at the top 10 cities in terms of Christian populations --Chris Rego
Twist ? I think you missed the percentage sign when I said 90%. Do you mean to say the South India states/cities have more than 90% ? |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Aug 26, 2010 |
Long live Acharya! - Chris Rego.
A welcome change from Chris Rego. |
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium |
Aug 26, 2010 |
Poojary - You are ignorant you need to take lessons from RSS? when did RSS was founded and when did the names you mentioned ruled India?
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium |
Aug 26, 2010 |
| Puthran - when you can insult anyone why cannpt me? HM is public servant we can call him in any name because they are in public domain. Hey world knows who is dabba human race and Moghaveeras in mangalore, go and ask with grand mothers they will explain when they went to port to buy fish and their stories and make sure that in Saudi when you are along with byaris you may be have same trait like them which is not your fault. |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Aug 26, 2010 |
Chris, my friend from UAE,
Here is another link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_India
Scroll down almost to the bottom of the page and read the 'Demographics' section. Both in Mizoram and Nagaland, 90% of the population are Christians. In Meghalaya, it is 70%.
Hmm...I wonder how it all happened. |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Aug 26, 2010 |
Chris, my friend from UAE,
Why did you waste another post calling me this and that? Do you realize that you hardly make any points by bad-mouthing me or RSS or VHP? Well, you can live in denial and keep your 'Masters' happy. Or, try some reading and understand the realities:
Let me suggest a few here:
1) DP maam provided us a link on the oldest church in Kerala. Did you read it?
2) Can you tell me if the number of churches and mosques have gone up or down in India? (I'm sure that you 'google' skills will help you here.)
As I said, try to make some valid points instead of silly language and attacks. |
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| Steve, Australia |
Aug 26, 2010 |
Dear Chris,
Another opportunity, another play of Kiran's one and only record. Conversions.
If his repeated message means anything, the conversions have wrecked his beloved country. It is the conversions that keep the country behind. It is the conversions that cause the "saffron terrorism".
Of course, it is his country. Even after the gigantic Samudra Langhana, and he is gone Ullal Sankada Aache.
At time he hands over the record to Fatima and Nakul Shetty (his own creations of course) to play - hoping that the record is played faithfully. And of course it is played very faithfully. Conversions.
And conversions.
There is faint hope there that, once the bill against beef is passed, the conversions will come to a stop. |
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| DONY LOBO, DOHA, Qatar |
Aug 26, 2010 |
The name Syrian Christian does not mean descendant of Syrians but those who follow the worship-celebration rites which the early Christians of Syria followed. With a large boatful of accompanying people Thomas known as one of the Apostels, would have traveled from Syria following the ancient known trade sea-routes between Red Sea and India. All along the long voyage they would have been keeping close to the coastal line of Asia and regularly camping in various places covering Iran, Pakistan, Gujerath and the West Coast down to the Southern tip of India and then moving upwards along the East Coast covering Tuticorin upto Chennai…. and they would have been spreading their message all along the route.
Some ancient Royal Families welcomed him but not all, as ultimately he was killed at Mylapore – Chennai and his burial place is still very much revered by members of all communities at San Thome Cathedral of Chennai.
Its possible that some of the entourage members may have chosen to settle down here and there enroute even further spreading their message as is indicated by the recently discovered ancient church on top of the Batim mountains of Goa (where the Virgin Mary is reported to be regularly appearing to group of small children).
Talking about Syrian Christians, one of the topmost well known Doctor in Doha, (Dr. Mohan Thomas) traces their family roots to the first Namboodhiri family who welcomed and embraced Christianity almost 2000 years back. |
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| B.P. Puthran, Saudi Arabia |
Aug 26, 2010 |
| Hey shetty, again I am cautioning you not to call the people of one community ACHARI you are instulting Achari comminity, BJP HM is Acharya remember, what is wrong with you? why are you bent upon insulting certain community, singling out. I got few friends here who are goldsmith Acharies, you are a mask in the name of bunt community a Dabba to human race. |
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| DONY LOBO, Milagres, Mangalooru/Doha, Qatar |
Aug 26, 2010 |
I would like to make an open request to all the distinguished well wishers of our E.Y.T Forum to kindly help me with answers for the following points…(I tried searching the internet but in vain).
The total number of Votes polled by the
1) 118 winning candidates of BJP in 2008 elections in Karnataka.
2) Total votes Polled by all the candidates of BJP in Karnataka (Winners & loosers)
3) Total Number of Votes Polled by Congress candidates (Winners & loosers)
4) Total Number of Votes Polled by JDS candidates (Winners & Loosers)
5) Total Number of Votes polled in the whole state.
THANKS TO EVERYONE AND NAMASKARA |
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| Ramesh Poojary, India |
Aug 26, 2010 |
Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium
read history mr u will know how muslim leaders have treated hindus in this country!! aurangzeb and tughlaque are examples
RSS is better then this usless kings |
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| Alfred Vincent Monis, Bahrain |
Aug 26, 2010 |
| Mr. Prime Minister please respond to above letter. |
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| Adil, Qatar |
Aug 26, 2010 |
Kiran to Adil, Qatar
Moghul invasion is sathya, Aryan invasion is mithya (created by pseudo intellectuals like Max Mueller). Were you honestly not aware of that before ?
.........Kiran, USA
Aryan Hindus are invaders 4000 years ago. this fact was accepted by very First PM of India Jawahar lal nehru in his book 'discovery of India'. He himself is Hindu and Brahmin. Now don't try to alter the history. |
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Aug 26, 2010 |
How do you think North East India has 90% Christian population ? - Kiran
The WHOLE of the NE states or only two? Take a look at the NE states along with their capitals.
Assam - Dispur
Arunachal Pradesh - Itanagar
Nagaland - Kohima
Manipur - Imphal
Mizoram - Aizwal
Tripura - Agartala
Meghalaya - Shillong
Read more of this article:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Kerala-not-Goa-has-maximum-no-of-Christians/articleshow/2649158.cms
Punchline from the Article: Look at the top 10 cities in terms of Christian populations and what hits you is that they are all south of the Vindhyas, barring Aizawl and Shillong in the north-east.
Conclusion: Do BETTER research, mate! |
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| Judith L, India |
Aug 26, 2010 |
Must Read ! Very Powerfully Worded. Bravo - Prakash Bajaj, Editor of Times of India.
LETTER OF THE EDITOR OF "THE TIMES OF INDIA" TO THE PRIME MINISTER OF INDIA
Dear Mr. Prime minister,
I am a typical mouse from Mumbai. In the local train compartment which has capacity of 100 persons, I travel with 500 more mice. Mouse at least squeaks, but we don't even do that.
Today I heard your speech, in which you said, 'NO BODY WOULD BE SPARED'. I would like to remind you that fourteen years have passed since serial bomb blasts in Mumbai took place. Dawood was the main conspirator. Till today he is not caught. All our Bollywood actors, our builders, our Gutka king keep meeting him, but your Government can not catch him. Reason is simple; all your ministers are hand in glove with him. If any attempt is made to catch him, everybody will be exposed. Your statement 'NOBODY WOULD BE SPARED' is nothing but a cruel joke on these unfortunate people of India.
Enough is enough. As such, after seeing terrorist attack carried out by about a dozen young boys, I realize that if same thing continues, days are not far away when terrorists will attack by air, destroy our nuclear reactors and there will be one more Hiroshima.
We the people are left with only one mantra. Womb to Bomb to Tomb. You promised Mumbaikar Shanghai; what you have given us is Jalianwala Baug.
Today only your home minister resigned. What took you so long to kick out this joker? Only reason was that he was loyal to Gandhi family. Loyalty to Gandhi family is more important than blood of innocent people, isn't it?
I am born and brought up in Mumbai for last fifty eight years. Believe me, corruption in Maharashtra is worse than that in Bihar.Look at all the politicians, Sharad Pawar, Chagan Bhujbal, Narayan Rane, Bal Thackray , Gopinath Munde, Raj Thackray, Vilasrao Deshmukh all are rolling in money. Vilasrao Deshmukh is one of the worst Chief ministers I have seen.His only business is to increase the FSI every other day, make money and send it to Delhi, so Congress can fight next election.Now the clown has found new way and will increase FSI for fishermen, so they can build concrete
houses right on sea shore. Next time terrorists can comfortably live in those houses, enjoy the beauty of the sea and then attack our Mumbai at their will.
Recently, I had to purchase a house in Mumbai. I met about two dozen builders. Everybody wanted about 30% in black. A common person like me knows this and with all your intelligent agency & CBI, you and your finance ministers are not aware of it. Where all the black money goes? To the underworld isn't it?Our politicians take help of these goondas to vacate people by force. I myself was victim of it. If you have time please come to me, I will tell you everything.
If this has been a land of fools, idiots, then I would not have ever cared to write to you this letter. Just see the tragedy. On one side we are reaching moon, people are so intelligent; and on the other side, you politicians have converted nectar into deadly poison. I am everything Hindu, Muslim, Christian, Schedule caste, OBC, Muslim OBC, Christian Schedule caste, and Creamy Schedule caste; only what I am not is INDIAN. You politicians have raped every part of Mother India by your policy of divide and rule.
Take example of our Former President Abdul Kalam. Such an intelligent person; such a fine human being. But you politician didn't even spare him and instead choose a worthless lady who had corruption charges and insignificant local polititian of Jalgaon WHO'S NAME ENTIRE COUNTRY HAD NOT HEARD BEFORE.Its simple logic your party just wanted a rubber stamp in the name of president.Imagine SHE IS SUPREME COMMANDAR OF INDIA'S THREE DEFENCE FORCES. what moral you will expect from our defence forces ? Your party along with opposition joined hands, because politicians feel they are supreme and there is no place for good person.
Dear Mr Prime minister, you are one of the most intelligent persons, a most learned person. Just wake up, be a real SARDAR. First and foremost, expose all selfish politicians. Ask Swiss banks to give names of all Indian account holders.Give reins of CBI to independent agency. Let them find wolves among us. There will be political upheaval, but that will be better than dance of death which we are witnessing every day. Just give us ambience where we can work honestly and without fear. Let there be rule of law. Everything else will be taken care of.
Choice is yours Mr. Prime Minister. Do you want to be lead by one person, or you want to lead the nation of 100 Crore people?
Prakash B. Bajaj
Editor Mumbai-Times of India |
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Aug 26, 2010 |
Dearest Pai,
Looks like Chidambaram's public statement on the existence of Saffron Terror groups was a tad too hard for you to digest! You could try some Omeprazole tabs to alleviate the gastro-esophageal reflux! That’s why you meandered ALL over the place and unfortunately wound up saying absolutely zilch on the matter at hand! But then, that is pretty much Standard Operating Procedure [SOP] for you as all of us EYT’ians have come to know!
See mate, even now it is pretty much evident that you are in a state of Shock-Induced-Denial or SID - now, don’t confuse that with that Sudden Infant Death verbiage used with newborns! That's why I’d asked you to look up the meaning of the saying -"Denial is not just a river in Egypt". Unfortunately, you never got back to me on that too!
The RSS/VHP/SS broke the 11th Commandment - "Thou may break all the above 10 commandments, but thou shalt NOT get caught". My heartfelt sympathies are with you dear Pai. I know it is difficult to accept it. However, TIME (not the mag, silly!) is a fantastic healer and with time, the unbearable pain that you are in at the moment will ease. Finally, only sweet memories will remain – such as those wonderful times spent in those Shakas.
Please accept my sincere apologies for having used your 'smiles' and 'giggles'. I never realized that I was infringing on two of your many patents! Incidentally, I have never called myself "smart" or whatever. On the contrary, it has been YOU who called yourself "great", O’Pai! I empathize with you coz you must have been disoriented and under extreme duress to have resorted to such a gimmick! Lord, thy ways are mysterious indeed!
American politics - ah well, who can understand it, least of all the American's themselves? As far as the grapevine goes, ONLY the Israelis, the Arabs and the Russians have a clue but then, they aren't in the habit of blabbering and claiming that they know all unlike some "great" chaps in the US. Ahem!
NDTV is fun, mate. Try and cultivate the habit of watching it besides flipping through Fox News, Sky News, Fashion TV, BBC and Tom & Jerry on the Cartoon Channel! THAT would give you PLENTY of stuff to talk about with me. |
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| Raghu S., UAE |
Aug 26, 2010 |
It is sad how some people are isolated from news and think that others do not know or have not read! -- Kiran
Conversion will go on forever. I think all our fore fathers were converted at some point in time so don't make it a big issue. |
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Aug 26, 2010 |
This led to the rise of some people like Raja Ram Mohan Roy,........ Kiran
Wakey wakey, Kiran. Do some reading before you write. For your info, Ram Mohan was quite pally with the British missionaries. Here goes:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ram_Mohan_Roy |
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| Kiran, USA |
Aug 26, 2010 |
by the way British did not convert people, if they had done Indias christain population would have been probably more than half! and their family names would have had british names (like sidebottom, underwood, smith, carpenter, thorpe,barber) --sam, Bermuda
Sidebottom barber smith!! Very funny!
Read Indian history again. Roughly upto 1813 there was not much proselytism in India, but after that it was almost as if the flood gates were opened. This led to the rise of some people like Raja Ram Mohan Roy, Debendranath Tagore, Sri Ramakrishna, Swami Vivekananda, Dayananda Saraswati, etc. How do you think North East India has 90% Christian population ?
have you read about ARYANS and DRAVIDIANS came frOm PERSIA and settled down in the northern and southern part respectively and north took inclination towards kali and southern towards durga?? need i say more !!!! --sam, Bermuda
It is sad how some people are isolated from news and think that others do not know or have not read! Just look in the internet and see that this Aryan invasion theory has been debunked long long ago. For that matter, even tooth fairies are fake (in case you did not know), |
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| Praveen Pinto, India |
Aug 26, 2010 |
Billions of dollars are poured in to India in the name of helping tribals and poor in education, health etc with motive.-D P Kumar
Mr Kumar, can we know the source of this information. I hope it is proper and not some fanatic site. Further can we know the following details?
1. How many billion Dollars
2. How many people converted in current year
3. How many conversions in mangalore or D.K
4. How is the money given to the convertees and how much per conversion.
Mr Kumar I am travelling to Mangalore tonight and I hope to get your reply before sunday when I am back. |
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| Kiran, USA |
Aug 26, 2010 |
Why you limit your study of history till Muslim rulers invasion. Go beyond to Aryan invasion. Be an honest intellectual in this forum. --Adil, Qatar
Moghul invasion is sathya, Aryan invasion is mithya (created by pseudo intellectuals like Max Mueller). Were you honestly not aware of that before ? |
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| Puttur Dinesh, USA |
Aug 25, 2010 |
Nazeer
I like what youo write, your thought seem to be different than people who wrte here previously. You seem to be out of "I am a victim" mentality.
Keep writing, regarding charity by Muslim groups, you might be right to some extent. They look for more publicity. But there are people like Mr. Manna from Qatar who work without expecting anything in return.
I think the need of the hour in Muslim community is education. Probably you guys should have a collaboration with catholic instituions in mangalore to bring mroe and more children to school. Womens liberation is very important too. If the mom is educated she can steer the family in the right direction. |
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| PDP JR, India |
Aug 25, 2010 |
I defenitely reccomend it - especially when you have a daughter like Rhea. Its fun, its hilarious.
It makes you laugh and cry. Its a rather serious movie but filled with lots of fun. The best character I liked was that of the grand dad. Lots of wisdom.
Barring few four letter words, the movie is fine for the whole family. Let me know after you have watched it. |
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| Richard, USA |
Aug 25, 2010 |
For want of a nail the shoe was lost.
For want of a shoe the horse was lost.
For want of a horse the rider was lost.
For want of a rider the battle was lost.
For want of a battle the kingdom was lost.
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Aug 25, 2010 |
"our family history says that our forefathers migrated from Syria, so we claim to be Syrian Christians" - A.S.Mathew, USA
Dear Mathew,
Are you saying that Syrian Christians are the christians migrated from today's Syria to Malabar? Or, these are the natives of Kerala coast who got converted to Christianity? Just curious. |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Aug 25, 2010 |
Chris, my friend from UAE,
Why do you jump all over the places? I wish you could stick to the subject and do a better job of presenting your thoughts without gibberish language!
Oh well, let me help you by clarifying your doubts.
1. “Saffron Terrorism” – This is an attempt to dilute the debate and divert the focus on true ‘terrorism’. This is an old trick used by minority groups and dishonest media all over the world, especially in democratic societies. Here in USA too, there are these groups who try to equate the instances of a few extreme acts by Christians to much larger terrorist acts by ‘peaceful’ groups. This is truly laughable.
2. RSS/VHP- Let me repeat this again. Almost every village and town in India has RSS/VHP branches. Some of the most educated and decent individuals in the town are active members in these organizations for decades.
3. You wrote – “Your stupid smiles and giggles humor NONE, my dearest Democrat or Republican Pie - as though people care!”.
Okay – you are probably the first person to copy my ‘smiles and giggles’ on this forum. Being such a “smart” person, why would you copy my stupid stuff? Right? Smiles…
As to your comments on “Democrat or Republican Pie” – Well, I thought you didn’t understand American politics. So, I try not to discuss those topics with you in order to avoid any confusion!
4. NDTV and Ram Jethmalani – Well, my friend, I don’t watch NDTV. So, I have no idea what you are talking about. |
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Aug 25, 2010 |
Have you watched Little miss sunshine? Its a great movie as well. - PDp Jr
Nope, mate, I haven't as yet, but will if you recommend it. With a lil daughter who hogs all my time, I hardly find time for anything else.
My ALL time fav movies - Forrest Gump and The Green Mile - both *ing Tom Hanks. They touched me like NO other! |
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Aug 25, 2010 |
Sure - now you can lecture Police chiefs on 'saffron terrorism'. Way to go, Home Minister!! - Pai back in action
Why not, Pai? Can't he say openly what is there for all to see? Why hide do you cover up for those who sport saffron and rattle those sticks into a mad frenzy - like the Sangh Parivar, RSS VHP are in right now?
Looks like you know how to root for your root-sticks- don't you - Saffron gimmicks hold you to sway rather than the US politics - although you act like you are privy to what transpires out there! Your stupid smiles and giggles humor NONE, my dearest Democrat or Republican Pie - as though people care!
Yeah, veer far away from the topic which is v dear to the cockles of your heart. trust me - Saffron terror - it is a BEAST!
Btw, have you watched another of your pin-up boys - RAM jethmalani ranting like a looney on NDTV tonight? Nut should have been admitted into an asylum after his last case! Chap drools like a moron! |
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Aug 25, 2010 |
Rewind even before all the way to first Muslim invasion of India and you will find terrorist act on an everyday basis. - Raj
Hello, go back before that if your dime-worth memory allows you! Why blame the Muslims man? if India were to be United, we wouldn't have fallen! Agree with me? |
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| Adil, Qatar |
Aug 25, 2010 |
Some one has said that terrorism started after the demolition of babri Mazjid which is wrong. I request people to rewind 4 years before the demolition of disputed structure in Ayodhya to Kashmir and look what happened there. Rewind even before all the way to first Muslim invasion of India and you will find terrorist act on an everyday basis. .........Raj, India
Why you limit your study of history till Muslim rulers invasion. Go beyond to Aryan invasion. Be an honest intellectual in this forum. |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Aug 25, 2010 |
Dear Puthran,
Don't be under the impression that 'VRS' actually belongs to Bunts community. The person behind 'VRS' is trying his best to divide Hindu community on the basis of caste and start a 'caste war'. Many have already called him out for his dishonest agenda.
He (VRS) has given enough clues on his true identity, religion and agenda. Let's not take his bait - Let's ignore him as we have been doing for quite some time now.
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| Nazeer, Saudi Arabia |
Aug 25, 2010 |
Instead of vying for a leader, Muslim population can take lessons from what other religious minorities like Christians, Parsees, Jains did since they have prospered despite being a religious minority- Nagendra
Nagendra, first of all the status majority- minority should be vanished. No reservations on religious basis but only for the financially backward people irrespective of any religion, cast etc.
Most of these Muslim businessmen will not take-up any responsibility to help the poor. My argument, backward means, in the field of education and other related fields as the local Moulavis are not capable to convince the local poor to send their children to schools. There are many families living below poverty and these people are least bothered in uplifting them.
My idea of Leadership means one person religiously well honoured, he should be able to preach not only on religious matters but social matters, political matters, openness, equality something like liberal minded.
Like you have seen what Archbishop of Bangalore acted when something happened to his community something like that.
Being religious, every Muslim should come to the mainstream Indianness.
I don't know how much my argument will convince you but It's a need of time to unite under one umbrella. By doing so all the misconceptions will be vanished. |
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| B.P. Puthran, Saudi Arabia |
Aug 25, 2010 |
| Thank you Sr. Judith, I will do whateever possible from my side, |
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium |
Aug 25, 2010 |
Puthran - Again I repeat that you should know that there are problems in Moghaveera community and education has to be spread among the youths, they only know the fishing as their vocation. I can list down more and more about other issues of Moghaveera community and their involvement in communal fightings and dowry is with him also, do not beat around the bush.
What are you doing in Saudi Arabia, they do not issue saudi passport so I think you should pack your bag and go to India and serve India and be role model for us, first you must do it before advising others ok. |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Aug 25, 2010 |
This is why Muslims are still backward in all the fields - Nazeer
Nazeer,
That is a wrong judgment.
Take a look at the real estate sector in Mangalore today. Most of the firms are headed by Muslims. Mangalore's economy is very much dependent on Muslims today. If you look at the malls, multiplexes, retail chains, ice cream corners, hotels etc you will find a lot of Muslim population though their percentage is believed to be less. Most Toyota Corollas and Skoda Octavias are also owned by Muslims (with KL registration)
Instead of vying for a leader, Muslim population can take lessons from what other religious minorities like Christians, Parsees, Jains did since they have prospered despite being a religious minority. Once they excel in education and professions, leader will automatically emerge. If you still want a leader, you can emulate APJ Kalam, Azim Premji. Ekalavya also learnt archery by having Dronacharya's idol. Youngsters can be encouraged to study rather than joining their fathers in the evenings at Bunder or Saibeen. There is a plenty of things which the community can do and the Sachaar Commission cannot. It cannot only do some politics but not any trick to solve the problem. |
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| B.P. Puthran, Saudi Arabia |
Aug 25, 2010 |
| hello VRS Mogaveera community doesnt need any advise from anyone, they lived their lives without indulging land grabing, burning brides for dowry, not involved with underworld activites, matka, bootlegging, Prostitution, crime against innocent peasants, raping do you want more Vinod? ask your forefathers from village how they lived their lives, you need to involve yourself to eradicate the dowry system in your community. You better give up your belgiun nationality and serve your community and country, then you come to me saying that you did a wonderful job to your community. |
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| Kiran, USA |
Aug 25, 2010 |
| DPK, Thanks for further clarifications. |
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| Judith L, India |
Aug 25, 2010 |
| Ph: 95251-2525656 The code of ulhasnagar is 95251 just like for mumbai it is 022. you may try with two option country code+251+2525656 or country code+95+251+2525656. If someone knows how to dial from Saudi pls. respond. |
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| Judith L, India |
Aug 25, 2010 |
| I have read the news it says the rescue operation will take 3-4 months since Aug 5 the 33 miners were trapped it is not even one month. These miners are defintely putting up a brave front lving in a one room tenement on surviving on ‘two little spoonfuls of tuna, a sip of milk and a biscuit every 48 hours’. Their job is filled with risk always. Yes, we all must pray to the Almighty to give courage to the miners till they are rescued. |
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| Nazeer, Saudi Arabia |
Aug 25, 2010 |
Chile Miners- Judith L
Dear Judith,
The miners were plunged into darkness by the Aug. 5 collapse of the main shaft of a gold and silver mine that runs like a corkscrew for more than four miles (7 kilometers) under a barren mountain in northern Chile's Atacama desert. They gained contact with the outside world Sunday when rescuers drilled a narrow bore-hole down to their living-room-sized shelter after seven failed attempts.
For more details you may read the main main news at www.yahoo.com (today) |
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium |
Aug 25, 2010 |
| Puthran - I told you that Moghaveera community is suffering a lot, so you should solve the problem of your Moghaveera community and then come back to me so i can give my proper response. |
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| B.P. Puthran, Saudi Arabia |
Aug 25, 2010 |
| Sr. Judith, will you please repeat the telephone number once again, sorry for the trouble, thank you. |
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| B.P. Puthran, Saudi Arabia |
Aug 25, 2010 |
| Hey VRS, Mogaveera community lived their lives with dignity and honour for many years still they do. they never grabed anyones rights or lands, they are hard working brave people of Mangalore, lived their life in their own houses never stretched their arms to anyone for help. No need to start the movement my friend, what are you doing in a prosperous country like Belgium with communist ideology, you should have been in your comredes country like North Korea, China, cuba, or with Hugo Chevez or for that matter your bosses in Pakistan. Dont use this column to hurl abuses or make derogatory remarks to any particular community, |
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| Shanvass, UAE |
Aug 25, 2010 |
Suspected Hindutva Terrorist ideologue escaped from the clutches of Law.
http://popularfrontindia.com/pp/story/suspected-hindutva-terrorist-ideologue-escaped-clutches-law |
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| PDP JR, India |
Aug 25, 2010 |
Thanks Chris. I do recall that you enjoyed the movie called "THE BUCKET LIST"
I too enjoyed it . I think I will watch it again. Its the story about 2 terminally ill patients (but with opposite out look in life) making a list of things to do before they die.
Have you watched Little miss sunshine? Its a great movie as well. |
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium |
Aug 25, 2010 |
| Pai - We are better than you and your communal RSS. |
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium |
Aug 25, 2010 |
| Pai - Hey dude you are spending your 6 digit salary to hire your chelas in Middle East.. very good move man. |
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium |
Aug 25, 2010 |
| Puttur Dinesh - If we believe Mahtma Gandhi then RSS should not indulge in hatred and violence. First you have to advise them and then you can come back to me. |
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| Judith L, India |
Aug 25, 2010 |
Mr. Puthran, I have given you the land no. itself. May be 95-251 is the code of Ulhasnagar may be u can directly dial country code 0091 and then the number. I spoke to Mr. Sonar today morning also and he mentioned that 2 of the children who needed max. medical attention are in Govt. Central Hospital, Ulhasnagar-3.
I sincerly appreciate your efforts in trying to contact Shanti Bhavan. Keep your efforts on not only in this case but always so that children are never harmed, for they cannot protect themselves on their own. I convey my same message to other people also. |
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| Judith L, India |
Aug 25, 2010 |
Everytime we cannot depend on the NGOs, Don't you think as citizens of this country we have to see that our children are safe. Let me tell you a true incident, The house where I was staying in my younger days, there was this maharastrian couple with two young children aged 4 yr and 1 yr both working for well known banks living happily and content one fine day early morning there was a commotion near their house the gas cylinder had burst and the lady died. Her husband tried to save her and he too got around 75% burns and died eventually the relatives of the children some Mamma (mother's brother) took them after and said he will take care of this he too had two children but after few days our neighbours told us that the children are in the bal ashram, where their basic necessities were taken care of, thankfully the ashram, was not like the satkarm ashram, at least the so-called mamma who could have easily taken care of another two children had that much sense atleast to put them in good ashram, what if nobody had come forward and police did the samething has they have put these orphan children in the satkarm ashram.
I have also spoken to the reporter who says no other NGO has come forward, so Times Foundation themselves will work to see that these children are rehabilitated permanently in better hands. The reporter also,it is their duty to report the news next it is our, citisen's duty to see that such kind of acts are not repeated. The caretaker who is worst than the devil and CWC authority who was very well aware of the deaths of earlier children and yet tried to remain ignorant should be punished. The reporter has told me that it is we citizen's duty to see that such people are given a thorough lesson, so that the system works properly may be such crimes will not elimiate fully but atleast they will reduce.
And now about the Chile mining workers, pls. can you tell me the background. |
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| Austin Noronha, Qatar |
Aug 25, 2010 |
JanmashTami wishes in advance Noronha.
Wish you the same NS. |
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Aug 25, 2010 |
Recent movie I watched had Ben Kingsley as an alcoholic who botches up his job as professional assasin. Cant remember the name of the movie. - PDP Jr.
PDP, the name of the movie is - You Kill Me. |
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| D.P.Kumar, India |
Aug 25, 2010 |
Do I need to enclose the mandatory 10 rs or 10 lakhs? Either way, the BJP would make "swaha - gulum gulum" outta it, right? -Chris on RTI
Initially you need send Rs.10 with your application for information. If the information to be provided needs more number of pages, Rs.2/- per page is to be given. The Public Information Officer will inform you how much is to be remitted after assessing the pages to be provided.
Your joking of Rs.10 lakhs can become a reality because I read a news some time back that one applicant was asked to remit a sizeable amount for the information. He emitted it. The official sent more than a ton load of xerox copies of office correspondence making it hell of an affair for the applicant to read and sort!
For your application with Rs.10 lakhs, they may even send samples of iron / manganese ore from Bellary which you may have to collect from customs paying heavy duty. They will be sending you photographs of Yaddi-chaddies taken on thousands of occasions!!
Lokayukta and Forest officials may charge you for violating Ban on movement.
Better, send the money for good purpose as rightly suggested by Judith.L in this forum. |
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| Nelson Lewis, Bahrain |
Aug 25, 2010 |
I was listening to NDTV on 24/08/2010, about the comments by their Defence Correspondence, Nitin Gokhale, about China moving medium-range missiles closer to the Indian border. However, Nitin Gokhale went on to say that the Indian authorities are aware of the Chinese intentions and are taking steps to face this challenge. Well, what steps India is taking is a debatable issue, considering the fact that the Indian authorities drag their feet and take years to buy sophisticated weapons for the country's security, nor have they been able to give an impetus and shot-in-the-arm to the Government defence and ordnance manufacturers or encourage private organisations to take up to arms manufacture. Indian politicians are totally selfish and concerned about their personal matters and security, rather than the security of their country.
For any intelligent person, who is aware of the subcontinent affairs in particular and global affairs in general and has some knowledge of history, this is a worrying scenario. I have always considered China to be the greatest threat to India and the world.
China has the dirty habit of interfering in others' affairs, but when someone raises hue and cry to human rights, China's bullying ways, etc., then they raise a storm. If for China, Dalai Lama is a terrorist, then what about Mao Tse Tung, Chou En Lai, Deng Piao and others?
It is high time for India to be totally focussed on its military and increase their strength, either with regular personnel or with every youth having to do compulsory military training or through draft system. This apart, our forces should get the best training, arms and ammunitions, pay hikes and other wealfare schemes. A solider is more important than a civilian servant, politician or anyone for that matter.
I feel sorry to see the way our para-military forces are facing the anti-social and anti-national elements and mischief mongers in Jammu & Kashmir, when they should have had superior tactics in crowd and mob crowd, including the use of rubber bullets, water cannons, etc. Our forces are lacking help from sound intelligent organisations.
In fact, all said and done it appears Pakistan's ISI appears to be far superior to our intelligence organisat6ions, because they have been able to foment trouble in J&K and other parts of India at will and random and we have not been able to take effective counter measures and retribution to this fanatic and terrorist state. |
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| D.P.Kumar, India |
Aug 25, 2010 |
"It is not that they have a "right" for conversion activities, that is a misinterpretation of the right to religious freedom. One has a right to practice his or her own religion freely, but not to convert another person (by force, inducement or appeasement, or any other means)."- Kiran, USA to Pai USA
Kiran, I feel, the word "they" need to be removed from your comment.
Else, you are right about methods of conversion with the secret agenda under "freedom to propogate".
Billions of dollars are poured in to India in the name of helping tribals and poor in education, health etc with motive.
We can see what the rule say:
INDIAN LAW ON CONVERSION:
Sections 3, 4 and 5 of the Dharma Swatantraya Adhiniyam (Freedom of Religion Act) of 1968.
Section 3 of the Freedom of Religion Act states, "No person shall convert or attempt to convert, either directly or otherwise, any person from one religious faith to another by the use of force or by allurement or by any fraudulent means nor shall any person abet such conversion."
Section 4 says attempting to convert a minor can be punished with up to two years in prison and a fine of up to Rs 10,000.
Section 5 requires a "religious priest" who takes part in a "ceremony necessary for conversion" to send word of the conversion to the district administration. If religious officials fail to do so, they can be imprisoned up to one year and or fined up to Rs 1,000. According to Section 3 (1) of the Dharma Swatantraya rules of 1969, a "conversion" is to be reported to the administration "within seven days." |
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| Judith L, India |
Aug 25, 2010 |
| Original Pai, what wrong have I said about other religion unlike you where you say you are an atheist and then go to condemn the christians endlessly while upholding hindus. That is why I call you a liar. Haven't I told you'll to start doing charity works why there is silence. |
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| Puttur Dinesh, USA |
Aug 25, 2010 |
VRS
I am not saint, but I am just throwing this question to you. How good are we if we repeat the tactics of RSS and other people whom you dislike so much.
Remember Mahatma said If we go with Eye for an eye, the whole world would be blind.
I think it's tme to move on.
have a good week ahead. |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Aug 25, 2010 |
Chris,
That was an informative post on the athletes of different geographies.
For me, sports like Diving, Synchronized Swimming, Ice Skating, Gymnastics are a mystery. As a layman, me and many others cannot figure out the difference between the performers, except in case of Gymnastics when they take the last plunge and either stand firm or are shaken up.
I only wish Kabaddi too is included in Olympics and some prominent games. Thats the only team game as of now where India, who happens to have won the World Cup all 3 times, can beat the opposition hands down! |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Aug 25, 2010 |
| Mr. Noronha, you can go on with your 'verbal hooliganism' and keep passing judgments about whichever party you want. From your previous posts it is clear that you lack wisdom. Else, without even a background check, you wouldn't have asked me "Was it a man or minister?" Probably you feel Ministers shouldn't hold chappals but men llike you can. I have seen quite a few 'Bhingri paTaalam' before too. JanmashTami wishes in advance Noronha. |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Aug 24, 2010 |
"I know you are very true secular person in EYT, but I am also secular person " - 'VRS' to Puttur Dinesh.
ahaaa - great!! Two 'true' secular people! smiles... |
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| PDP JR, India |
Aug 24, 2010 |
Recent movie I watched had Ben Kingsley as an alcoholic who botches up his job as professional assasin.
Cant remember the name of the movie.
Over all it was a good movie to watch after a long days work and considering that EYT some times does looses its charm with all the rewind stories .
I guess if I were to live more than hundred years, if on a given day I checked EYT, the same ol, same ol stuff of rewind religion will go on.
Solution: just chill out in life, be happy and enjoy EYT. if not dont be happy but do not spoil others happiness at EYT |
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| Nazeer, Saudi Arabia |
Aug 24, 2010 |
But in case of Islam, when the bad Muslims do something bad .... the Good Muslims dont come aggressively forward to oppose that- Binu Nayar, India
Hi Binu, You are absolutely right. You know what is the problem with our Muslim community- lack of leadership. Muslims don't have any worldwide, nationwide or statewide leaders to strongly support good deeds or oppose bad deeds. I really appreciate the Catholic community for having such a commendable leadership from Pope to a local priest. That's why they are commanding the world today.
There are namesake Muslim leaders in political parties but they look for their personal benefits and not for the community. Thus, crook like Madani and others taking the opprtunity for his personal gain by misleading the poor, innocent Muslims.
This is why Muslims are still backward in all the fields. |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Aug 24, 2010 |
"I am not sure since when the homosexauls started coming under the category of minorities. This is totally a misguided notion."
- Well, they are minorities because of their lifestyle and sexual preferences. This isn’t very different from religion or language. In fact, I would argue that this isn’t very different from gender or ethnicity as there can be strong biological reasons behind their lifestyle choices.
"Now, it apprears that the courts are swinging to the other extreme to assuage its past guilt. "
- What do you mean by ‘other extreme’? You mean, left? I think there is way too much generalization in your statement. As you very well know, there is a good mixture of both conservatives and liberals in our judiciary system. In fact, there are more conservatives than liberals in Supreme court.
"Will the court mandate the government to get everyone married? This might infringe upon the rights of those who want to remain single. "
- We are talking about the ‘rights’. It means that you have the right to marry – doesn’t mean that you have to use your rights.
"It is not the business of the courts to overturn the mandate of the people as they did in California's case. "
- The best quote came from Ted Olson. You don’t put ‘bill of rights’ to vote. Period.
"What if tomoorow someone approaches the court to overturn the elections and have McCain declared as President, since he too was voted by minority of voters. "
- I don’t see your logic here. If someone has a valid case, they can certainly go to court. Courts are capable of deciding these cases – Remember Bush Vs Gore in 2000? Court ruled Bush as the winner though Gore had secured 500,000 more votes than Bush. By the way, court was right and it strictly applied the rules that are already in place. |
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| Nazeer, Saudi Arabia |
Aug 24, 2010 |
Dear Puthran,
I am really concerned these neglected poor and also those orphans reported by Judith L. I too waiting to get the contact number what you requested from Judith L.
What we can do is we can request some of true social service organizations (NGOs) to take care of these neglecetd poor.
If you have any links please let me know. so that we can atleast give a try.
By the way, I forgot to mention something about the Chilean miners. They have no enough food, no water, no air to breath, no light- just think if we are in their place what will be our situation? Thank God, we have food, fresh air to breath, our family with us. One of them among a 63 year old...
Tears rolling down from eyes...
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Aug 24, 2010 |
"One has a right to practice his or her own religion freely, but not to convert another person (by force, inducement or appeasement, or any other means). " - Kiran
I was only referring to the religious freedom where one can preach and/or practice his religion. However, thanks for the clarifications. |
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium |
Aug 24, 2010 |
| Putranna - I have given up my Indian passport 17 years back and I do have passport from belgium and what are you doing in Saudi Arabia, your moghaveera community is struggling because capatalist and industralist why you do not start a movement. You start the movement I will join you, now will you take up the challenge. |
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium |
Aug 24, 2010 |
| FAKE SACHIN - What are you doing in UAE? why you do not go to India your motherland and will you tell the same for Mohan Bhagwat, Amit Shah, Srikant purohit and other RSS members caught. |
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| B.P. Puthran, Saudi Arabia |
Aug 24, 2010 |
| Dear Nazeer, please pray for those unfortunate beggars who lost their lives at the hands of those criminals in power. those criminals are still at large, roaming in the bars/clubs with the blessings of BJP ministers. |
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium |
Aug 24, 2010 |
Puttur Dinesh - welcome to join the club - I will never stop commenting against communal RSS.
I know you are very true secular person in EYT, but I am also secular person I just need to expose the karm kand of RSS. |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Aug 24, 2010 |
"....spewing communal parties like BJP, RSS, VHP, etc" - Austin Noronha
Dear Austin,
I am just curious about 'etc' part in your post. What are the other parties ho also spew hatred? What about those parties who offend other religions by calling their God a 'false God'? I'm curious to know your take on this. |
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Aug 24, 2010 |
Austin, what do you make of our BJP Mster Yeddi, Acharya and Palemar? read on............
http://www.petitiononline.com/mfmining/petition.html
DP, for info on Yeddi's 'Puttur'da kadle' and his hitherto chaddi reddy chelas, can I file a RTI? Do I need to enclose the mandatory 10 rs or 10 lakhs? Either way, the BJP would make "swaha - gulum gulum" outta it, right? |
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| Nazeer, Saudi Arabia |
Aug 24, 2010 |
Please Pray for Trapped Chilean Miners.
Dear All EYT members, I would like to request all of you to pray for the health and safe return of the 33 trapped Chilean miners since past few weeks about 700 meters below the earth. They still have to wait for another four months underground, to be rescued. This story is above all the religions, politics but only a true humanitarian matter. Please remember them in your daily prayers, so that let them safely rescued and join their awaiting families soon.
If we wish to, personally we can't do anything but atleast we can pray for them. May the Almighty God hear our prayers and give them the strength for their survival.
Thanks. |
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| PUttur Dinesh, USA |
Aug 24, 2010 |
VRS and Fatima
for a change you guys need to talk something else other than RSS bashing or Muslim bashing. Tell us about the recent movie you watched.
Did you watch inception- I haven't. People say it is a good one. What about The other guys by Will Ferrel, I liked it I think it is really funny.
What are the latest watchable Hindi movies? Give us your input. |
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| B.P. Puthran, Saudi Arabia |
Aug 24, 2010 |
| Hey Maha, you are Mahan, the same american fund you are eating your roti, wearing hijab kapada and shelter makan, by the by do you pay tax in Pakistan? otherwise you would not have taken money from Khafirs generated from Porno films, tell me Maha, who gave the permission to americans to drop bombs on terrorists in Pakistan thats your government, from Generals to the 10% PM goes everywhere with begging bowls asking for funds. come out and say that you dont want American mercy we dont wantto live on Saudi money, do you have that guts to declare? who is bombing mosques in pakistan? your own people trained by ISI. Pakistan is another Africa in Asian continent unfortunately. |
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| B.P. Puthran, Saudi Arabia |
Aug 24, 2010 |
| Hello settare, (skeptical)indira was consigned to flames according to Vedic rites(Brahmin way) not parsee way,are you aware of this? I dont think so, what about Shastry, Babu rajendra prasad, Mahatma Gandhi your father of the nation, these are so called Brahmins brought you independance, to abuse these departed souls? isnt it? control your language. if you want to talk as I said in this colum before, come to India and start the movement, Then I salute you, sheer talking here will not do any good to anyone, no one is going to take your hatred writings. do you have that guts accept the challenge? |
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| Austin Noronha, Qatar |
Aug 24, 2010 |
And to improve your skewed GK, - NS
Just knowing about the chappal incident does not mean your GK is good. Even the illitrates who engage themselves in gossiping would know that. |
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| Austin Noronha, Qatar |
Aug 24, 2010 |
Uncle Noronha, do I really care whom you do not support? I can give a befitting reply to your 'verbal hooliganism' but I see your beaming smile after the 'licking' post and to show more of that smile has already been dampened by my Rahul card. So that is sufficient for me! :)- NS
And to improve your skewed GK,
Hey kiddo NS do you really know what hooliganism is? Go and check the meaning in the dictionary. From what you have written shows your frustration to our comments againt BJP. There is no content or reply to my comment in that, it's just a verbal diarrhea and it shows your level of immaturity. It also shows to what level you will go to defend your communal party BJP. I won't be surprised if I see you doing the same thing Reddy did to Sushma. You are talking about giving befitting reply? LOL:) You think I am scared of kiddo like you or your hatred spewing communal parties like BJP, RSS, VHP, etc. I don't give a damn to them man and to you also. |
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| B.P. Puthran, Saudi Arabia |
Aug 24, 2010 |
| Sr. Judy, Based on the idea tel number you provided I tried to reach them over telephone from saudi arabia, but it appears that the area is outside the coverage area this is the message I got do you have any land line? please let me know, Putran. |
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| B.P. Puthran, Saudi Arabia |
Aug 24, 2010 |
| Dear Mr Lobo, I differ with your opinion about Janardhan Poojary and dhanajay kumar, Janna talks too much in public forums during his tennure as union minister, he had punished those who refused to grant free loans (without security) to loan seekers, bank money belongs to person like you and not his anscestrol property (though I am his neighbour) he is a very cheap politician, he doesnt know how to speak in public forums, coming back Dhananjaya kumar better tell least about him, when he was the junior finance minister, power had gone deep into his mind (a frequent visitor to Dubai). finally he lost his Mangalore seat to Gowda and Naveel kumar kateel. please update your record Mr. Lobo, both the above politicians are a DABBA to mangaloreans. |
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| D.P.Kumar, India |
Aug 24, 2010 |
EVM (Electronic Voting Machines)
If the latest news on the vulnerability of Indian EVMs create doubts in our minds about the 2009 election results, it is because the machines are proved not safe from tampering by one Hari Prasad.
He is arrested.
Read full story in
http://news.rediff.com/interview/2010/aug/24/hari-prasad-is-a-hero-not-a-thief.htm
Please comment your views on this. |
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| Bonnie, USA |
Aug 24, 2010 |
If it was all for 'majority' or 'opinion polls', then who will protect minorities? -Pai.
I am not sure since when the homosexauls started coming under the category of minorities. This is totally a misguided notion. With that said, I am not sure if the courts have always got it right. In the case of abolition of slavery, the US superme court ruled in favor of continuation of slavery, as the slaves were bought by the owners form the marketplace; and the courts said that slaves were akin to the private property of the owners. Now, it apprears that the courts are swinging to the other extreme to assuage its past guilt. Marirage should be outside the domain of courts and courts can not act as purveyors of moral order concerning marriage. If they start inventing individual rights where none exist, will the government then force everyone to get married. Or will the court mandate the government to get everyone married.This might infringe upon the rights of those who want to remain single. Do you see the absurdity of this proposition.This should be decided by the citizens of the country. In fact, one of the conditions agreed upon by UTAH state for joining the union was to do away with polygamy as MORMON religion allows for plygamous relationship. It is not the business of the courts to overturn the mandate of the people as they did in California's case. The courts are not there to legislate, their business is to interpret and apply the existing laws. Stepping outside its domain will do no good to anyone, least of all to the courts themselves, lest they lose the credibility. What if tomoorow someone approaches the court to overturn the elections and have McCain declared as President, since he too was voted by minority of voters. Do you see the danger where it can lead the nation if not brought under control. |
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| D.P.Kumar, India |
Aug 24, 2010 |
Times of India on Social networking:
The driving force behind the success of the most successful social networking site out there is... vanity. People love the idea that others are watching what they’re doing. Tell me this: for what reason would you invite someone to a private party by writing on their wall, other than to show off to all the people on their friends list who you don’t want to come? It just makes you look like an ass, so don’t do it.
Look for more hints in TOI |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Aug 24, 2010 |
Uncle Dony,
I agree with you that politicos of Mangalorean origin are better behaved in public while compared to their counterparts from a few other states. Mangaloreans have created a good image about themselves and their hometown and may we continue to uphold this. Kindly accept my Rakhi greetings and may we all Mangaloreans prosper like our predecessors have in various professions and places. |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Aug 24, 2010 |
Uncle Noronha, do I really care whom you do not support? I can give a befitting reply to your 'verbal hooliganism' but I see your beaming smile after the 'licking' post and to show more of that smile has already been dampened by my Rahul card. So that is sufficient for me! :)
And to improve your skewed GK, the man who held Rahul's footwear almost close to his heart and did a 'I Love you Rasnaaaaaaaa' kind of stuff was Ramesh Baghve, Home Minister of the state and not a Common Man. It may also interest you to know that this man later justified it by saying there was a chance of explosives being planted in the shoes of Uncle Rahul. |
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| DONY LOBO, MLAGRES, MANGALOORU /DOHA,, Qatar |
Aug 24, 2010 |
“But Kachra politics?”...... Nagendra Shenoy, India
Dear Nagendra Saab,Namaskar......
What I mean by Kachra politics means politicians like those we have witnessed on the TV screens ……fighting inside the floor of the legislature assembly hall hurling microphones or paper missiles at each other (as we saw in UP, Bihar assemblies sometime back) or eliminating opposition candidates like Pappu Yadav etc…....or the Aya Ram Gaya Ram type politicians...
Mangalore and South Kanara has produced many eminent politicians both at state and the National level who have always conducted themselves with enormous dignity which is unique to the people originating from South Kanara).
I can remember at State level, late B.Vaikunta Baliga, late Blasius D’Souza, the late C.G.Kamath, late L.C.Pais, Mrs.Octavia Albuqurque, just to name a few and eminent people like Late J.M.Lobo Prabhu, Dhananjaya Kumar, Late Ullal Srinivas Mallya, Late T.M.A.Pai, Janardhan Poojary, former Chief Minister Mr.Veerappa Moily etc, at the National Level. Almost all of them were highly educated, people friendly and achieved enormous credibility in carrying out their responsibilities in representing the electorate’s wishes and needs and conducted themselves with dignity and respect both in public life and in their personal private lives………
On my part, (I repeat, on my part) none of them including Veerappa Moily or Dananjaya Kumar ever stooped down to what we can term as KACHRA politics.
Perhaps, with due respects to you as an eminent member of the E.Y.T forum…you are most welcome to differ with my views but…...whether you like or not any of the South Kanara origin politician ….I am sure you will not mind my using the phrase “Please Give the Devil at least his dues…” |
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| Judith L, India |
Aug 24, 2010 |
For those not so busy people and those who would sincerly like to help and not giving excuse of being NRIs and passing on the effort to Govt. to do, I plead after a lot of phone calls, I could get the address, where the orphan children of Satkarm Ashram are placed. For those wanting to help may pls. contact
Government Children Home for Boys’ (Jr.&Sr)
Shanti Bhavan, Gandhi Road,
Ulhasnagar 421 005
Dist. Thane
Ph: 95251-2525656
7 of the children due to severe malnourishment and illness are hospitalised in Central Hospital(5 children had died earlier for lack of food and treatment). The caretaker has said they need food, medicines, and uniforms for the children. Pls. contact Shanti Bhavan and help. After a month when the news dies down you are requested to see that the children are happy and content. Pls. people of all communities help. I am doing my part.
PS: I tried contacting the reporters but did not succeed. I have been told to try again in the evening.
Lets make this Raksha Bandhan a good start for these children. |
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| Adil, Qatar |
Aug 24, 2010 |
It is very common these days in Pakistan, suspected Muslim militants with links to the terror groups Al Qaeda and the Taliban burning Churches and houses of Christians............Fathima-mangalore
Is it not a common that the bombardment on Muslim countreis killing thousands and destroying houses of millions done by christian countries? |
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Aug 24, 2010 |
Nelson, you might find this to be of interest:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/europe/Adolf-Hitler-had-Jewish-African-ancestors-show-DNA-tests/articleshow/6425304.cms |
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium |
Aug 24, 2010 |
| Dony - I am not lawyer, better is to approach secular lawyer in Mangalore and there is one P. Shetty he can be useful to you, better you can try him. I have given you my suggestion and it is for your take some actions against communal government. |
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium |
Aug 24, 2010 |
| Putran- Why you do not read hisotry? who made the mess in Indian politics it is Nehru and his daughter half parsi? do you need more history? |
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Aug 24, 2010 |
The question of whether the blacks are ‘natural’ athletes or not, has been a highly debatable one. In fact, quite a bit of racism has been involved in the various theories that have been put forth and dissected. The most notorious of all such statements came from Dean Cromwell, the chief coach of the US team at the Berlin Olympics in 1936 - "The Negro excels in the events he does because he is closer to the primitive than the white man. It was not long ago that his ability to sprint and jump was a life-and-death matter to him in the jungle." Poor chap, he didn’t have a clue as to what he was talking about. However, he can not be blamed because proper research had not been conducted in those days.
In events such as middle and long distance running, the East Africans have for long dominated while the West Africans have dominated sprinting events. Of course, while watching those chaps run on TV, nobody can make out their ancestry or where they come from or their region or whatever. ALL we know is that he is Kenyan, Ethiopian or at most - African or Black!
However, well documented research has revealed that the majority of top Kenyan runners come from one area in the country - the Kalenjin region, along the western rim of the Great Rift Valley, adjacent to Lake Victoria. What gives them such phenomenal success - so much so that the rest of the competition is left miles behind, so to speak! Is Superior biological makeup or superior bio-mechanics or both at work here?
Medical research has revealed that all muscle contains two kinds of fibres - fast-twitch and slow-twitch. The former is good at producing explosive bursts of energy for a short span of time while the latter is best for prolonging muscle effort over extended periods of time. Physiologists have shown that the muscles of Kenyan athletes have a higher proportion of slow-twitch fibres than those of White or West African athletes. Kenyans also enjoy a slighter body profile, have relatively long legs and large lung capacities, and possess more energy-producing enzymes in their muscles, which are thus better able to utilize oxygen. They also have this inbuilt ability to withstand lactic acid (produced when the body is stressed which leads to a feeling of tiredness, cramps, burn-out etc).
In comparison, the athletes of West African origin including most African American, Caribbean and black British athletes have a well developed muscular physique that is best suited for utilizing max energy/effort for a short time. Events which require such max effort are sports disciplines such as sprinting and jumping. Their muscles contain a higher proportion of fast-twitch fibres than those of white people or East Africans. Athletes of West African descent also have less body fat, a higher centre of gravity, narrower hips and higher levels of testosterone in their blood – all ideal for short explosive events.
In general, the blacks are also extremely good at Basketball, Rugby, Boxing etc which require explosive bursts of energy as well as endurance. The Whites are extremely good at events such as Swimming, weight-lifting and sports such as Tennis.
While genetic predisposition suggests a strong base, there are a host of other factors such as childhood, family, climate, society and surroundings that play a big influence in shaping up an athlete. It all comes down to the individual athlete. An athlete could have all the talent/ability physically required. However, one should have the inclination to put in the required efforts to channelize it to reach the top.
So where does that leave us Indians in particular? Do we still talk about Milkha Singh and P. T. Usha’s “almost” medals and pride on a lone shooting medal? Are we waiting to include Carroms and Kabaddi to the Olympics so that we can announce to the world that we have truly arrived?
Are the Chinese actually of East or West African or probably even white descent despite clearly being of Asian origin? Nags, I seem to have some doubts here!
Somebody once told me that in China, paraplegic swimmers are better than the BEST of Indian swimmers and that totally blind men hit the Bulls Eye more often than Indian shooters! Maybe we should ask Kalmadi if this true. However, since he has his plate rather full, I guess we could pop in this question when they haul him up for misappropriating the Common Wealth!
On a different note, I couldn't help but remember a snippet from NDTV's - The Big Fight or one of those talk shows. The topic was whether the White man is excellent at organizing events -to which Shekar Kapur almost had a fit and bursted out with "Bull***t". Probably he meant the Indians were much better if not the best! Looking at the CWG preps, I'm convinced that the Indians are indeed the 'bestest' of the BEST! :)
Kalmadi, yo man, YOU the MAN! So, pass me one of your 4,000 Rs worth rolls of toilet tissue! I need a break! |
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| N.S.Shenoy (Nandavar), India |
Aug 24, 2010 |
Prostrating, holding chappals etc.
Nagendra Shenoy and Austin Noronha, please don't make it a big issue. Have'nt we heard "oorige arasanadaroo, tayige maganallave?"
I happened to see many foreigners washing the feet of one elderly person from India- may be Parabhupada -or somebody, slowly removing the stockings of both the legs and washing them with milk. (yutube).
Is it bad?
Why should someone garland a statue?
Why should Rahul remove his footwear when garlanding Gandhiji's statue?
It is a mark of respect.
But no one objected when U.S security personnel were moving around Gandhi smarak in Delhi with dogs. |
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| Austin Noronha, Qatar |
Aug 24, 2010 |
One man gently held both of Rahul's in his hands till the time he finished garlanding statues.
NS, was that man a Minister? Don't you see the differences in both the cases. Why is that when someone talks about BJP Ministers you have to bring in the topic of congress. Why is it that you are so obsessed with a communal party. Is it because they attack Churches and Indians who happen to practice an ideology different than yours? I support congress because it is lesser evil than the BJP but I am not obsessed with it. To prove that fact did I anytime respond to your or anyones praises of BJP before? |
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| D.P.Kumar, India |
Aug 24, 2010 |
Bonnie,
Thank you for your observations. Yet,
I think Government has a role in building character and culture of its subjects. Some of the actions of Cuban Government do speak how it does what it preaches.
Cuba- exceptional things to note.
a) Culture has prominence. University campuses are progressively spreading to all of the country’s municipalities. Never in any other part of the world has such a colossal educational and cultural revolution taken place as this that will turn Cuba, by far, into the country with the highest degree of knowledge and culture in the world, faithful to Martí’s profound conviction that "no freedom is possible without culture."
b) In Cuba Lottery and other forms of gambling have been banned since the first years of the Revolution to ensure that no one pins their hopes of progress on luck.
c) There is no commercial advertising on Cuban television and radio or in our printed publications. Instead, these feature public service announcements concerning health, education, culture, physical education, sports, recreation, environmental protection, and the fight against drugs, accidents and other social problems. Our media educate, they do not poison or alienate. They do not worship or exalt the values of decadent consumer societies.
d) In Cuba, 85% of the people own their homes and they pay no property taxes on them whatsoever. The remaining 15% pay a wholly symbolic rent, which is only 10% of their salary.
e) Social security covers 100% of the country’s citizens.
f) Discrimination against women was eradicated, and today women make up 64% of the country’s technical and scientific workforce.
g) There is no cult of personality around any living revolutionary, in the form of statues, official photographs, or the names of streets or institutions. The leaders of this country are human beings, not gods.
h) Cuba has never undertaken research or development of a single biological weapon, because this would be in total contradiction with the principles and philosophy underlying the education of our scientific personnel, past and present.
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It appears that there is a spirit of acting on the principles for an idealistic society.
If it was not for the U.S blockade, and that Cuba's imports and exports were allowed freely, we probably could have seen a country different from majority of other countries. |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Aug 24, 2010 |
and has never at anytime indulged or instigated in Kachra Tod Pod politics directly or indirectly - Dony Lobo
Dony,
Moily did not indulge in 'Tod Pod' politics is agreed.
But Kachra politics? Recently, B Janardhana Poojary gave a statement "If Mangalore and Chickballapura elections were held on the same day, I would have won". Mangalore elections were held in the phase succeeding Chickballapura elections. Moily was in Mangalore on the eve of Mangalore elections.
Jab aise dost hai toh dushman kyun chahiye? |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Aug 24, 2010 |
chappals and in private he would have licked it also. Any doubt? - Austin Noronha
AN, you are so right. Do you remember Rahul's Mumbai trip? One man gently held both of Rahul's in his hands till the time he finished garlanding statues. After that only, he gave the chappal back. If people can die for their leaders, holding chappals in hand is a simple matter for them. |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Aug 24, 2010 |
Nelson Lewis,
I mentioned 'Ethiopia, Kenya and Jamaica' - one of these is a Island country in the Carribean and the other two are African countries. I simply clubbed them together to keep the post short.
I agree on their abilities. I have a couple of friends from Assam and one from Sikkim, who are ardent football fans and players too and their thigh and calve muscles scare us like hell. India's ace footballer Bhaichung Bhutia hails from Sikkim while one more footballer I M Vijayan hails from Kerala and so does Payyoli Express P T Usha who is believed to have covered long distance to schools running and then ran to most places of the world! |
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| Kiran, USA |
Aug 23, 2010 |
I call upon M/s. Raj, Shenoys, Kirans to join hands so that these orphan children do not suffer any more....This is no competition, but we have to see that the children lead a life of dignity. Pls. I plead to do something. --Judith
Judith, I appreciate your sincere concern. The fortunate thing is that this incident has come to light by the news media and hence these children will be taken care of. |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Aug 23, 2010 |
"...unelected judges impose their will upon the people" - Bonnie commenting on 'flip' side of democracy.
Dear friend,
I believe you are referring to so-called 'judicial activism', right?
Judiciary is part of the democracy and you can't call it a 'flip side'. If it was all for 'majority' or 'opinion polls', then who will protect minorities?
I recommend you this video clip. Though the discussion was on same-sex marriage, Ted Olson could't have done a better job of schooling Chris Wallace on the importance of judiciary system and Judges.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPmkLl2S25c |
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| Nelson Lewis, Bahrain |
Aug 23, 2010 |
Kenya, Jamaica, Ethiopia - Such underdeveloped and island nations - Nagendra Shenoy.
Dear Mr. Nagendra Shenoy,
If you are saying that Kenya, Jaimaica and Ethiopia are islands, then I feel that you have erred a bit. As far as I am concerned, only Jamaica is an island nation, Ethiopia is land-locked and has no direct access to the sea and has to depend on Eritrea or Djibouti or Kenya and Kenya has access to the sea and has two ports, namely Mombasa and Lamu.
Yes, all the three nations have produced good runners. The runners from Kenya and Ethiopia come from high altitude region, where since oxygen is rare, the kids develop strong chests and have to run to school which is miles away and have to be fleet-footed if they wish to hunt animals for their meals. In case of Jamaica, most of their athletes are blacks and take their training and diet regime quite seriously.
Regards,
Nelson |
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| B.P. putran, Saudi Arabia |
Aug 23, 2010 |
| Shetty who ever you are what ever form you are, what ever name you are trying to hide, stop spitting venom using derogatory remarks against community, remember Indira Gandhi, Mahatma Gandhi, jawahar lal Nehru were all Brahmins, you are bent on absuing those departed souls also. put an end to this abuses, please, by the by I am not Brahmin, I am from fisherman community. |
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| Austin Noronha, Qatar |
Aug 23, 2010 |
| Why Man & wife??? Why not husband & wife? Crazy music, crazy people!!! |
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| Austin Noronha, Qatar |
Aug 23, 2010 |
| Judith, this Reddy in public cleaned her (who's that? I forgot her name and I am not interested to know also) chappals and in private he would have licked it also. Any doubt? |
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| Austin Noronha, Qatar |
Aug 23, 2010 |
Satkarm Balgrah has isolated the ailing children in a room where they eat, sleep and defecate Yogesh Sadhwani & Bapu Deedwania - Judith L
Judith why are you disturbing our Kiran Swami when he is still busy studying the complex subject called "Who he is". Have patience, once he is done with it he will come to their help to lit fire to their pyre. |
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| Bonnie, USA |
Aug 23, 2010 |
Tell me Bonnie, whether tourism is one of the main source of dollars for Cuba? Is Cuba a closed country. I have seen from the photographs and visitors notes that the life of people in Cuba is better than that of India. Is it correct that there is no poverty as in India - DP.
DP,
First of all let me thank you for drawing my attention to spelling mistake. It was an inadvertent error. Yes, you are right in saying that tourism is a major source of foreign exchange earner for Cuba. In fact, if you read the books written by Earnest Hemingway, the majority of his books were written in Cuba and the major source of inspiration according to him was the Cuban beaches. However, the Cuban immigrants in US are a major force behind imposing sanctions on Cuba. They do not want the USA to lift the sanctions imposed on Cuba as they feel that will provide the much needed oxygen for the continuation of Castro government. And they are a significant electoral force to reckon with in the state of Florida. That should put the things in a proper context.
Now coming to justification for overthrowing the governments, it is really hard to believe which form of government was better. Let me elucidate what I want to say: Before the overthrow of Czars in USSR, Russia was a major exporter of food grains, especially wheat. What followed after the takeover of communists was major famine. Why? As one of Russian author put it - they pretended to pay us and we pretended to work.
Lastly, I am not sure how the government can impose morality on citizenry. The whole country would have to be turned to a police state. Wherever the governments have tried to impose morality upon its people, it has not succeeded insofar as I know. I saw some time back a documentary broadcast on CNN, shot by Christina Amaranpour (she is a CNN journalist originally from Iran). What her documentary showed contained youths who were drinking, listening to western pop music and dancing together, but all underground. And they were craving for more. This is despite living in a strict Islamic state. So, my question is, how can the government succeed in imposing its morality upon the citizens. Morals should be transmitted primarily form familial structure and then may be through religious institutions. Let me give another example; here in USA, the government outlawed liquor. But then it resulted in bootlegging. Finally they had to do away with that legislation. Government cannot and should not be in the business of imposing morality. Its job is to govern and preserve law and order. Now, briefly touching upon homosexuality, even in a country like Mexico, where majority of them are Catholics and who oppose the homosexual marriages vehemently, the Mexican court legalized homosexual marriages.
That is the flip side of the democracy, where unaccountable, unelected judges impose their will upon the people. |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Aug 23, 2010 |
Dear DP Kumar,
You can go to youtube and find good documentaries on Cuba. A few years ago, C-SPAN made a very detailed documentary - if I am right, it runs for about 3 hours.
Though the country lacks individual rights, the situation is far better than what you see in Saudi Arabia or North Korea.
However, the economic sanctions have made life very difficult. If I am right, they can't even import simple things such as computers. They get computers from some Venezuela based company!! No cargo ship is allowed to deal with the country. It's insane!
If you get a chance, read about the sustainable farming they are promoting in Cuba. See how they are encouraging people to use open/empty spaces even in Urban areas to grow vegitables, fruits etc. |
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| Nazeer, Saudi Arabia |
Aug 23, 2010 |
Reaction@ ground zero mosque- Puttur Dinesh
I don't see any public reaction and as an expat after my work I always eager to reach home as my family is waiting for me. Now the working hours also reduced to 6 hrs due to Ramadan.
For your convenience I can give you the following websites:
www.arabnews.com
www.saudigazette.com.sa
These are the two major english daily newspapers in Saudi Arabia. May be you may get some clues from these sites. But honestly, I never read those news papers. I watch news channels like BBC, CNN and our Indian channels.
You cannot find people discussing any political or social matters publicly. |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Aug 23, 2010 |
I have seen your tweets to Barkha, Harsha Bhogle, Srbachan, Vijay Mallya and you retweeted from Virendra Sehwag and more - VRS
VRS, those who haven't seen me on Twitter too know that. Anything new? |
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| Judith L, India |
Aug 23, 2010 |
| can we not do something for this children so that they do not suffer. I call upon M/s. Raj, Shenoys, Kirans to join hands so that these orphan children do not suffer any more. I guess if God forsaken anything happens to you tomorrow you would not like ur child to end up in these orphanages where you die a thousand deaths daily. Hence, I always stress that each individual should do charity work and see that the system works properly. See the plight of these children my heart bleeds therefore, I request you'll to please come forward and see that these children do not suffer any more (You may see the pictures of the children and read the full story on this link http://www.mumbaimirror.com/article/2/2010082320100823033006642ddc20bb0/Orphanage-hell.html) This is no competition, but we have to see that the children lead a life of dignity. Pls. I plead to do something. |
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium |
Aug 23, 2010 |
Nagendra - Abbbbaaa you are very angry oh I can understand.. who told you that tweets are protected. I have seen your tweets to Barkha, Harsha Bhogle, Srbachan, Vijay Mallya and you retweeted from Virendra Sehwag and more.
Hate mails why will I send to your private mail, I am not writing anything hate I am only writing actual and on facts.
Do I need to tell who is bunch of chastened school boy or should I use another word which I am very good to use, Do not be upset Nagendra I saw your snap with white T-shirt but cannot make out why you have too hatred for others? |
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| D.P.Kumar, India |
Aug 23, 2010 |
Bonnie,
(Please check if I have spelled the name correctly),
I have no exposure to outside world and hence I cannot be a parellel to your knowledge base and exposure. Yet,
Let me frankly admit that I have not visited Cuba nor I have gone outside India. What I wrote is from the writings of many sources including those who have visited Cuba.
I was giving a rejoinder to R.Pai’s view of U.S. dealing with 2 different yardsticks for similarly placed two countries. You have not touched this point.
Tell me Bonnie, whether tourism is one of the main source of dollars for Cuba? Is Cuba a closed country. I have seen from the photographs and visitors notes that the life of people in Cuba is better than that of India. Is it correct that there is no poverty as in India.
As regarding your observation on "the havoc wreaked by Castro and Che Guevara" and about the immigrants, what I gathered and understand is that it was the corrupt Batista Government that was overthrown and Baptista with his rich and landlord class followers fled to USA. It is said that about 10 percent of the Cuban immigrants have been accommodated in the U.S.
Castro had strong views on morality. He considered that alcohol, drugs, gambling, homosexuality and prostitution were major evils. He saw the casinos and night-clubs as sources of temptation and corruption and he passed laws closing them down. Members of the Mafia, who had been heavily involved in running these places, were forced to leave the country.
Bonnie, what is your view on these social evils and the role of government. |
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium |
Aug 23, 2010 |
Saffron brigade's dark secret exposed
http://headlinestoday.intoday.in/site/headlines_today/ProgrammesShow?catName=Centre%20Stage&video=4&counter=null&contentId=105569&catId=50
let me hear the views of RSS angels of this forum, still cannot believe it or you will go to hibernation. Why there is no media exposure on this issue and why HM Achari is silent. |
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| Puttur Dinesh, USA |
Aug 23, 2010 |
Nazeer
Got a question for you, how are the local reacting to ground zero mosque, are they planning to allow a church there anytime soon? |
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium |
Aug 23, 2010 |
Hey Folks- If you look into the link and what did RSS guru is telling a duplicity and he wanted to erase the blot done by RSS members in the name of Hinduvta.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/RSS-worried-over-use-of-term-Hindu-terror/articleshow/6244471.cms
RSS is a terrorist organisation, anyone has any objection to it? if they have let them approach ATS. |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Aug 23, 2010 |
V R Shetty,
How do you infilter into someone's Twitter A/c which is 'Protected'? I too want to hack a few Twitter A/cs.
As for the opinion one wants to draw out of your comments, they are free to do so as my KPIs and KRAs aren't measured by anyone here in EYT.
You can keep sending your regular quota of hate-mails to me. I have sufficient storage space in Indiatimes. I thought you grew up after college. But looks like you and your friends are still the same old 'bunch of chastened school boys'. |
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium |
Aug 23, 2010 |
| Austin - Do I see that Kiran swami will come with vedic teachings on this issue or some one from other religions. |
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium |
Aug 23, 2010 |
| Porbule- aand ye namma famous atha- I can understand their frustration about us, that means they want to hear only good comments on RSS- but they forgot that India is democratic country. |
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| Allison Salerno, USA |
Aug 23, 2010 |
I thought your readers might enjoy this post about Freida Pinto and her Catholic heritage. Please comment on the YIM Catholic's blog page itself if you like.
http://yimcatholic.blogspot.com/2010/08/to-pray-for-freida-pinto.html |
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| Nazeer, Saudi Arabia |
Aug 23, 2010 |
I think it is his personal matter. We shouldn't interfere in it, thats what I believe. I support your argument Mr. Abhay Kumar.
He is a bit overspoken but he is more capable than some of our illiterate politicians. At least he is highly educated. In that way I respect him. |
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| D.P.Kumar, India |
Aug 23, 2010 |
Chris Rego,
You need send Rs.10 with your RTI application. You will receive a reply;-)) |
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| Cyril Moras, India |
Aug 23, 2010 |
Judith L,
The report about the orphanage is really heart breaking. There are many short comings in most of the orphanages and old age homes. The death of tender children due to malnourishment is a common factor in villages in India. But the deaths in such orphanages need a closer look. The reason of Ambulance hiring charges at high of Rs.3000 does not stand the test of need. A child can be taken by an Auto or by Bus also during emergencies.
But what the reporters did was also not correct. They have given some Biscuit or such packets to the children. If the children are allowed to take and eat anything given by outsiders, the risk of their falling sick with unknown reasons rises up. Who has checked whether those packets are verified as to expiry date? What the other packets contain?
Have you noticed that the biscuit packet was spread on the open floor in front of the malnourished child Hitesh? Whether no plates were available? When the building appears to have been white washed and windows painted, where was Gopal sitting when being photographed? The photos speak few hidden stories inside the story.
The visiting reporters must be taken to task for playing with the life of already suffering children. |
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| Harron Rachid, USA |
Aug 23, 2010 |
Re: Newyork Mosque
Asslam Alaikom,
Sorry Robert, for misspelling your name as Richard.
By the way, I just recieved an e-mail of my cousin from Saudi Arabia who is working there for a couple of years, about the religious status of Christians living and working there. majority of Christians are living in well secured private compounds where entry to the Saudi nationals are strictly prohibited! The Christians are free to practice their religion in the compounds and they have prayer halls which are equalient to Churches. Moreoever, during the prayer even outsiders are also allowed to join the prayers.
May be there are no Churches in public but there are alternatives.
This is new to me and I am happy to hear that. There are more than 40 Muslim countries in the world and there are Churches. Only Saudi Arabia is an exemption I believe. If you go to any other gulf countries you may find Churches.
Peace be upon you guys. |
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| Prasanta Kumar, India |
Aug 23, 2010 |
| Traffice jam & chaos at kottara chowki to kudremukh.. |
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| Harron Rachid, USA |
Aug 23, 2010 |
Re: Newyork Mosque
Assalam Alaikom,
Hi Richard, Sam,
There are many new churches were built during the invation of our troops. Has any Muslim in any part of the world opposed it? Has any Christian said that in a Muslim country building church is not right thing, after invading and killing of countless local Muslims?
Now why you guys palying double standard?
It was not only Christians and Jews died but also Muslims, in the WTC attacks.
I and my whole family cried when the fate stikes WTC so the other Muslims in this country. My whole family held candles in respect of those innocents who died not thinking about the religions.
They were a group of extremists misusing the name of Islam for their satanic ideology and we all the Muslims all over the world conemned the henious crime against humanity.
Why shouldn't we take it on the otherway? Let's think this a big slap on the faces of those extremists who killed the innocents. Yes it is. But sadly, the ongoing protests is nothing but a game of some politicians aiming to benefit from forthcoming elections.
As far as Saudi Arabia is concerned if Churches are allowed to built as Muslim I whole heartedly welcome that move because Prophet (Peace be upon him) instructed the Muslims to let others follow their respective faiths on their own way.
By the way there no any restriction to say Assalam Alakom to any non-Muslim brothers be cause the meaning of this Arabic greating is Peace be upon you.
Good day guys! Peace be upon you. |
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