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| SHENOY R, India |
Feb 9, 2010 |
It is tiresome to hear you define christian values.-Tony
As tiresome as when your guys try to criticise Hinduism perhaps? |
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| Nelson Lewis, Bahrain |
Feb 9, 2010 |
Rasheed K.,
Please do not bring the issues of religions, indulge in cherry picking or going into nitty gritty issues, simply because you will end up opening a can of worms.
One of the major causes of unrest on this planet, I would say, are religions. This has been the root cause of problems. |
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Feb 9, 2010 |
If you decipher it correctly, you understand what I am alluding to. - Bonnie
Hey mate, yup, I got you loud and clear on the second read. So sorry that I misunderstood as to what you were alluding to. And hey, no apologies needed coz it was I who jumped the gun! |
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| Alfred J. Rebello, Dubai,, UAE |
Feb 9, 2010 |
So he never went to Karnataka? The loser! Not even Goa? What the hell was he doing anyway? - Shenoy R.
Shenoy, thank God he did not come to Karnataka, where he wouldn't have met a Kannadiga, but a Tuluwa, Konkania, etc. Also, a Brahmin, Kshatriya, Sudra, Dalit etc. in Hindus, Roman catholic, protestant, new life, old life, born again, dead again etc. in Christians and sunnies, shias, bohries etc. in Muslims. He would have more cofused. With regard to Goa, he must have thought there are only foreigners in Goa, no Indian.
NS, you are perhaps right, he must have met only wrong people because he did not meet you and me including PM or for that matter even Sonia!!! Be happy. |
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| Bonnie, USA |
Feb 9, 2010 |
PD,
I am really sorry man for using the words which are difficult to understand. But belive me, this is no way to make a display of my vocabulary. I remain usually very busy, so I try to be very succinct in my post using the words which fit into the context. I usually compile my post in less than 30 secs and that is why one could see so many spelling mistakes in my writings. It is my way of writing to use symbolism to try and present what I want to say.
I will try and write about language and the civilisation in some other post. One must know that the language is the soul of the culture.
That is it for now ...
Thanks for your reply.. |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Feb 8, 2010 |
"Did you forget about two world wars, centuries of slavery and on-going decsrimination/wars?" - Rasheed to Albuquerque.
WOW - What exactly you mean by this? Are you suggesting that Christianlity is responsible for world wars and slavery? Did you know that Arab traders also participated in slave trade? Please read history.
I have a suggestion - Please don't put down any religion or culture using extreme/isolated cases. You remind me of those self-hating, misguided Indians who put down India and her culture in every possible opportunity. |
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| Steve, Australia |
Feb 8, 2010 |
Dear Prakash Kumar,
You are puzzled as to why such arguments are put forward. But there is a reason. The reason is to prop up RSS/BJP and the lot.
That is, from RSS to Ram Sene and all the stink in between can do no wrong. Also that, just as you wrote so very correctly, there are people who want us to believe that "Hindus in India fell down from the sky".
Why is Kiran repeating that "Hindus in India fell down from the sky" theory? The answer is not difficult to find. To justify what was invented by the hatefilled mind of Golwalkar (the 2nd Sarsanghchalak of RSS) in "We, Our Nationhood Defined".
In his hatemongering book, Golwalkar separates Hindus from others in India. He then claims that Hindus and India were inseparable. But "others don't belong here".
According to Golwalkar, Hindus follow Hindu Culture. And if others wanted to remain in India, they need to follow Hindu Culture as well.
This is what Bihari Atal declared in Udupi. This is what Togadia did. This is precisely what Varun Gandhi was expected to declare. The hate-mongering north Indians are brought, again and again to our dear coastal Karnataka, to declare the same old story.
But every story requires villains. If the villains don't exist, they need to be created.
So the villains are, drumrolls...Christians converting everybody in massive numbers, and Muslims who kill cows 24x7x265.
By the way, someone some where changed the term "Hindu Culture" to "Indian Culture".
The irony is that many Christians and Muslims are happily using the term "Indian Culture" without realising that it was term invented by the hatemongering people to exclude them. Yes Nelson? |
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| Puttur Dinesh, USA |
Feb 8, 2010 |
Bonnie
I admire your vocabulary man. I really had to look up on Google for many of the words to understand what you meant to say. Next time please ask me question in a simple words, probably 8th grade level. (Just a request)
Now to your question about who the real PD is?
PD and his opinions have evolved over time. PD believes in doing the right thing, treating others as he would like to be treated. As humans it is hard to do it all the time, but we can try to.
Now regarding Rathore- I don't endorse his behavior, but if India can spend millions of rupees on giving a fair trial to a foreign terrorist like Kasab, why not give a fair, non media influenced trial to Rathore. He deserves to rot in hell for what he has done. But if people stab him in broad day light, what is the difference between how he treated the little girl and the so called civilized society which upholds rule of law even for the dreaded criminals?
I have no beef with NDTV- but I feel Burka and her camp are responsible for revealing many things to terrorists on 26/11 which might have increased the death toll. When NDTV holds others to a higher standard, they themselves should do some introspection and see how their actions are destroying the fabric of a civilized society. Be it live telecast of 26/11 or Ruchika's trial. They seem like Nancy Grace and Glen Beck to me who influence the trials and also encourage people to opt vigilante justice and then claim innocence.
Globe trotting – I hope you know that the world has become flat, even though we are far away from each other geographically, human rights and dignity are same all over the world. So it becomes necessary for people who can speak up – to stand up for the rights of those who cannot speak for themselves. That is why there is such a big debate in America on closing Gitmo, if America holds other countries to higher standards, it should hold itself to the same standards. (Even though the inmates of Gitmo are the most dreaded criminals).
I hope that answers your questions. |
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| Steve, Australia |
Feb 8, 2010 |
It looks like what we write on EYT is being read by the Governments of UK and Australia.
Both the Governments have reviewed the student intake from Punjab.
Australia is delinking cookery and hair-dressing courses from permanent residency. Can you imagine this? A hair-dressing course - attended mostly by Punjabis - in Sydney costs $25,000! That is 9 lakhs.
In Mangalore any barber can teach better skills for Rs. 2,000. But the barber in Mangalore can't provide permanent residency in Australia.
What is going to happen to all the Indian restaurants in Melbourne and Sydney (as well as UK) where the cookery students are employed for below-minimum wages, that too cash?
In any case, importing Punjabis in large numbers has major social consequences. As someone said on EYT, that is like importing a large number of Rathores. |
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| Prakash Kumar, UK |
Feb 8, 2010 |
My posting on Dec 28, 2009
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"Science has proved that Indians came from Africa and African pagan relegion is the oldest relegion."
Reply by Kiran on Dec 29,2009
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Humans evolved in Africa, but Indians came from ..............INDIA just as Europeans come from Europe!! Oldest religion - depends on how you define religion. Dec 29,2009
Kiran,
After reading your reply on Dec 29, 2009 I almost believed that Christians in Europe and Hindus in India fell down from the sky. Now you are giving me the impression that Hindus came from Europe by claiming caste system was imported in to India from Europe. Please make up your mind as I am quite old and need to know the answer. |
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| Bonnie, USA |
Feb 8, 2010 |
Chris,
You missed the whole point of my writing. It was not directed at you nor was it a reflection on how well-versed you are with the ancient texts. I write the way I write, because, there-in lies what I want to say subtly. If you read my post, here-in lies the clue for what I wanted to say..
"Now, piqued by the goings-on in the BJP, Sushma Swaraj is reported to have said in the corridors of power that Mr Venkaih Niadu is NO-PURUSH at all. And, then there was a silence in the halls of power to guess whatever the utterances meant."
If you decipher it correctly, you understand what I am alluding to.
Anyway, if you want an apology - my apologies. |
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| Tony, USA |
Feb 8, 2010 |
Mr R Shenoy,
It is tiresome to hear you define christian values. The likes of you keep silent while the BJP and its sister organizations is turning South Kanara into a communal cauldron. The violence of RSS organizations is trying the patience of many Christians. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Feb 8, 2010 |
there is no solid proof that our interference at the so-called "early asymptomatic" stage of diseases could control them better and also prevent further damage. -Prof B M Hegde
Dear Prof Hegde, please allow me to introduce my observation over the years. I have come to see a 'trans Atlantic divide' in the approach to disease and management of it. While the UK approach is more traditional and conservative, the US counterparts tend to be more proactive and investigation minded. As you have pointed out, there may not be solid evidence to support the latter approach. However, it may just reflect the societal realities of that nation where the lawyers are following the doctors just like shadow. The proactive approach may just be a cover or defence against potential law suits. There is a saying 'When in Rome, be a Roman.' Obviously those physicians who have made the USA as their home have no choice but to avoid litigations which can happen at the drop of a hat. This in no way means that the UK physicians do not get sued at all. They do get their fair share as well. You may note that I have used the expression 'fair share'. In other words, the patient may have grouse and anger when things go wrong. The physician gets sued not so much for the result or outcome but mainly for the 'arrogance' and dismissive attitude which has hurt the client or the patient. I know of a very good physician in Mangalore who incidentally is one of your old students who unconsicously displays the arrogance which is much dispised by the patients. Patients may treat doctors as Gods but they do not appreciate doctors playing' Gods'. I hope you will come out with an article on medical ethics and advice for all the junior doctors.
PS: Above was reproduced for the benefit of all the physicians and other people watching medical discussions. I am grateful to the editor for publishing this comment.-Shenoy R |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Feb 8, 2010 |
THE AMERICAN SAID ……..
IN KASHMIR I MET A KASHMIRI–
-Alfie maam quoting an American tourist
So he never went to Karnataka? The loser! Not even Goa? What the hell was he doing anyway? |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Feb 8, 2010 |
i can be more sensible and less fakie i-L R
Keep going lady. Make some beautiful noise. We love it. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Feb 8, 2010 |
His son fot fatally injured on black sunday -Michael Lobo
Mr Lobo has lots of venom in him. He does not even spare the son of EX BJP state unit president. I find this to be in poor taste and spirit. Again I find it to be totally unchristian attitude. True Christians are well known for forgiving sinners. Mr Lobo has Christian 'terrorist' ideals in him. Come on Mr Lobo. Enough is enough. |
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| Bonnie, USA |
Feb 8, 2010 |
I read the news that Rathore was stabbed in the face by a crazy young men. -PD
PD,
In your writings till recently, you used to appear as a chivalrous man headed for knighthood. And, now suddnly you make a volte-face and want to run after another novelty.
Life is known for its brevity, why try and be all over the place. You seem to be posessing some sort of talismanic magic to do the globe-trotting on all the issues.
Will the real PD stand up, please. |
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Feb 8, 2010 |
Purush - destroyed himself to create a human society - Bonnie quotes from a copy-paste bit that I had pasted from a source EXCLUSIVELY for Kiran?
Bonnie, have you been following the thread of late? Did you actually READ what I posted and the source of the Author and to whom it was addressed? Did I quote somebody or do I actually believe in that crap about Purush and the allied crap?
D’ya think that a chap like me will fall in line with any extremist philosophy – be it from any place under the sun – even under the Indian sun? Do I sound to you like I’ll kowtow to proponents of Hate and misplaced philosophy which is shrouded in total darkness?
Bro, READ again and revert! I think an apology is due. That's my dime for jumping the gun! |
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Feb 8, 2010 |
Just as I suspected, pulling information from some Aharon Daniel or some Tom, Dick or Harry's site is not an authentic source to base your information or knowledge upon. – Kiran
So dear friend – where does your so called “knowledge base” stem from? So I got info from X, Y Z, Rampa, Bheema and Thyampanna! Where did you look it from - some STORY which can’t be substantiated?
Can you stick to the point, mate? You started off on the wrong foot by saying that Casteism was an “import of the Europeans” and now there is not a peep out of you on what I posted you!
On the contrary, you get deeper and deeper into mythology and even touch upon “poetry”! And then again, you delve into “metamorphosis” in the same breath!
What happened to your Max Mueller theory?
Who created the Dalits? Who keeps about 200+ million of them in the dark – of course by "profession" again - based on those yarns! Whose may I ask?
How should I take Rama’s and the Rama sethu - metaphorically or literally? Am I required to know to mythology and forego facts?
C’mon….. talk sense pal. Let’s talk about European Imports such as Cars and beef! |
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| Govindraj, Canada |
Feb 8, 2010 |
...Shenoy...reg. George Fernandes
Thank you Mr. Shenoy.
...money "given" apart but Mr. Fernandes' torn chappals are also facts to be kept in view.
Thank you,
Best,
Govindraj |
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| Puttur Dinesh, USA |
Feb 8, 2010 |
I read the news that Rathore was stabbed in the face by a crazy young men.
This shows how far the media hype surrounding a trail can go. I think Rathore should put his legal team together and sue media houses like NDTV and all others who ran a media trial. Someone needs to bring Indian media to sense which seems to be high on hallucinogens and think that they are above the law.
Burka needs to be held responsible for her comments. Does Rathore have a case and does he deserve compensation for his injuries?
open to EYTians |
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| Latha Rai, UAE |
Feb 8, 2010 |
| NS jee i can be more sensible and less fakie if i change my name to LR? LOL |
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| N.S.Shenoy, India |
Feb 8, 2010 |
Alfred,
The Amrican friend could meet only rong people. He has'nt met Sharukh Khan or Manmohan Singh; Or for that matter UPA chair woman Sonia!! |
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| N S, India |
Feb 8, 2010 |
Kiran,
You might have heard the following verses.
Satyam bruyaat priyam bruyaat, NA BRUYAAT SATYAMAPRIYAM,
Priyamcha naanrutam bruyaat, ishaha dharmaha santanaha
(Speak the truth, speak the pleasant, DON'T SPEAK THAT TRUTH WHICH IS UNPLEASANT TO SOME, don't speak that lies which is pleasant to many, this is the oldest Dharma)
Caste System took into consideration the PROFESSION. This is as true as daylight and nothing can change this fact. If it was based on colour, then the profession in which the 4 castes were into wouldn't have been tagged to it. 4 Professions are known. But which are those 4 colours if people claim it is based on colours? It is the Europeans that discriminated based on colour and not Indians. Wasn't Gandhi stabbed from a train by the whites even though he had a first class ticket? Even our Gods were dark in skin-colour (I have heard that Krishna was as dark as Tajmahal Banana Halwa)
But it is also a fact that based on the Profession one was into, one was discriminated or obtained special treatment. If that hadn't happened, I would have been working in a PSU Bank today and there wouldn't have been any Sangharsha Samithi. Talege haakida neeru kaalige bande barutte :) |
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| N S, India |
Feb 8, 2010 |
D P Maam and KRS,
One can take a dip in the Holy Ganges at Sri Kashi Mutt Samsthan, Haridwar. The banks of the river are neatly concertized and is convenient for women and the old. Like you mentioned, it is flowing water and is clean as well. I hope it is the same scene even now. I last visited that place 14 years back. The soil is fertile, frogs are the size of a big jee-gujje and grass-hoppers as big as a pomfrette. You also get to do a Go-Pooja yourself but one needs to be careful as the cows are close to 6 feet and their build you can guess.
But D P Kumar's advice to carry aqua-guard got me laughing like hell. One can still carry a water bag but for respite from polluted air, may be oxygen cylinder :) |
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| Kiran, USA |
Feb 8, 2010 |
Chris Rego,
Just as I suspected, pulling information from some Aharon Daniel or some Tom, Dick or Harry's site is not an authentic source to base your information or knowledge upon. As I said, if you do not know anything about Hinduism, you might want to gain some knowledge before commenting on Hinduism. Moreover, you have only proven my point when I say that the scriptures only talk about Varna and nothing about caste and by now it might have dawned on you that Varna and Jati (caste) are not the same.
The Purusha suktam does talk about Varnas, but it is poetic metaphor of the various functions served by different professions in any society. It just means that anyone pursuing knowledge can be metaphorically thought as created from the head of a cosmic person -- meaning they are those who give importance to their head or brain. Similarly people who build their body and defend our country are metaphorically or poetically described as created from the shoulders, etc.
It is just like how the Bible says that the earth was created in 6 days and the sun was created on the last day, etc. where it cannot be taken literally, but metaphorically.
Did Dalit Christians come from Christianity or was it an external influence on Christianity? Similarly casteism is an external influence on Hinduism. |
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| N S, India |
Feb 8, 2010 |
| Latha Rai, if you have anything sensible please write. Don't wince like you are given an occasional electric shock. Fakie. |
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| Bonnie, USA |
Feb 8, 2010 |
Purush - destroyed himself to create a human society - Chris,
Chris,
What is this PURUSH business you are talking about dude. Have you been bitten by BJP's PURUSH bug of-lately. I think you are taking a cue from what BJPs leaders said, where-in Mr. V. Naidu reported to have said that Mr L. K Advani is LOHPURUSH. Since it was noticed by the loyalists of Mr. Vajapayee, that he was left out of this adulation and Mr. Vekaih Naidu, eager to mend the fences, then reported to have said that Mr. Vajapayee was YUGPURUSH.
Now, piqued by the goings-on in the BJP, Sushma Swaraj is reported to have said in the corridors of power that Mr Venkaih Niadu is NO-PURUSH at all. And, then there was a silence in the halls of power to guess whatever the utterances meant.
Obviously, these bumpkins never stop making a show of themselves.
Now, coming to this PURUSH business, I was wondering if you were also in a hurry to join the bandwagon of whatever this PURUSH business is.
My two cents to you is, stay away from all this, unless you have the jackbooted resolve. |
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| Alfred J. Rebello, Dubai,, UAE |
Feb 8, 2010 |
Following I received from e-mail. May be it is old but still I prefer EYT's to know.
Dear All,
AN AMERICAN VISITED INDIA AND WENT BACK TO AMERICA WHERE HE MET HIS INDIAN FRIEND WHO ASKED HIM
HOW DID U FIND MY COUNTRY
THE AMERICAN SAID IT IS A GREAT COUNTRY WITH SOLID ANCIENT HISTORY
AND IMMENSELY RICH WITH NATURAL RESOURCES.
THE INDIAN FRIEND THEN ASKED ….
HOW DID U FIND INDIANS …….??
INDIANS??
WHO INDIANS??
I DIDNT FIND OR MET A SINGLE INDIAN
THERE IN INDIA…….
WHAT NONSENSE??
WHO ELSE COULD U MET IN INDIA THEN……??
THE AMERICAN SAID ……..
IN KASHMIR I MET A KASHMIRI–
IN PUNJAB A PANJABI—–
IN BIHAR,MAHARASTRA, RAJASTHAN, BENGAL,TAMILNADU,KERALA
BIHARI,MARATHI, MARWADI, BENGALI,TAMILIAN, MALAYALI………
THEN I MET
A MUSLIM,
A HINDU
A CHRISTIAN,
A JAIN,
A BUDDHIST
AND MANY MANY MANY MORE
BUT NOT A SINGLE INDIAN DID I MEET
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THINK HOW SERIOUS THIS STORY IS……………..
THE DAY WOULD NOT BE FAR OFF WHEN INDEED WE WOULD BECOME A COLLECTION OF NATION STATES AS SOME REGIONAL ANTI-NATIONAL POLITICIANS WANT ...
FIGHT BACK -
ALWAYS SAY I AM INDIAN
JAI HIND......proud to be an INDIAN........ |
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| Shareef Moideen, Mangalore/Jeddah, Saudi Arabia |
Feb 8, 2010 |
The various Quran verses that call for infidels to be killed is a problem for other people to accept and therefore needs to addressed. If those in authority in the Muslim world are unable to resolve this concern and set it at rest then the unease and apprehension that others have towards Muslims at large will go on - R. Albuquerque, Australia
Albuquerque,
The verses of Quran to kill infidels were at the time of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) during the battle in Makkah, the peace treaty was broken by infidels and the verses in Quran was revealed at that time. If the teachings of a religion is taken out of context, misinterpreted and misquoted then no one can help it. The religious teachings have to be understood within the context so there will no misunderstanding. I can quote a passage in 2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB” They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman” and another passage in Exodus 22:19 NAB “Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. Can we quote these passages out of context? The problem we face is that we, human beings failed to understand the teachings of the religion. There are some individuals in each and every religion try to malign the religion; we cannot generalize the religion and its followers. |
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| Jayram Shetty, India |
Feb 8, 2010 |
You have listed all the good things the BJP government has done, Deepak Shetty.
Please remember to vote for BJP at the next election.
If you promise that I can become a Cabinet Minister, I will also vote for them. |
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Feb 8, 2010 |
When you say Thighs, what all parts are included in that? - Alfie
Was that a direct translation from Konkani - "Thun Zange (I hope I got that right for 'thighs' munthana, kaaley poora kudke asath tanthun?"
Let me answer you this was Alfie. When you ask for chicken breasts, what do you get? |
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| Alfred J. Rebello, Dubai,, UAE |
Feb 8, 2010 |
we all knw the story of swamis murder by christian missionary in orissa... Shyam, India.
Shyam, as you said, it is only a story that christians killed swami but in reality somebody else. Perhaps somebody wanted to take some revenge against innocent christians because they could not see uplifting of downtrodden by these Christian missionaries irrespective which faith they follow. Yes, I am not denying some converted but on their own will. However, some jealous people gave a tag of forced conversion, which everybody knows it is against Indian constitution. Hey, those who read this many times do not read it again, but for me, like a teacher who repeats samething every year, only the students are different except those who fails. |
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| Latha Rai, UAE |
Feb 8, 2010 |
He even ties the blouse knot of cine-actresses on red carpet at Page 3 parties. - nags on his high horse
If ur girl frnds blouse knot comes undone in public view will u leave it there to become more loooose nags dear? now do not say she dont wear no knots :-) |
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| Alfred J. Rebello, Dubai,, UAE |
Feb 8, 2010 |
The Brahmans were created from his head; the Kshatrias from his hands; the Vaishias from his thighs and the Sudras from his feet. - Chris.
When you say Thighs, what all parts are included in that? By the way, who told you all this? Is it God or some man had written? I can also say and write, will it be taken as Gospel word after a year or a century or a millenium? As per our holy book, God has made man and then a woman. But they say jokingly, God could not rest after making a woman, it seems. |
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| Shareef Moideen, Mangalore/Jeddah, Saudi Arabia |
Feb 8, 2010 |
You mean the Brahmins, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas and Shudras is varna system. Please provide me the article or link to study the European social class system. The Jati system of Hinduism that distinguishes one person from another based on his or her birth and occupation. India is a home for a form of Hindu religion where jati distinctions are often used to discriminate between who can and who cannot enter the mandir -- the sacred sphere. The distinction between the upper and the lower strata in the jati is evident, not only, in social spheres in India, but political and religious ones as well.
The blurring of distinction between “varna” and “jati” may not be entirely blamed on modern interpretation. Apparently even Manu used the term “varna” synonymously with “jati” - which is better defined as the form of existence determined by birth, position, rank or family descent; kind or species
Dr.Edmund Weber has written that, “The colonial term \'caste\' is muddling the two sociological categories meaning completely different social states of affairs: \'jati\' and \'varna\'. Jati means real working community of birth, marriages, of profession, culture and religion (closer to the widely (mis)understood meaning of caste; varna, however, means the social rank, status, order (closer to class). ”Varna” does not mean the work-sharing assignment of the “jatis”. This has been always an element of the “jatis” themselves. The socio-cultural evaluation of the “jatis”, their ranking place (again, as in class), is expressed by the hierarchical “varna”. |
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| Alfred J. Rebello, Dubai,, UAE |
Feb 8, 2010 |
You have to read and understand Hinduism first, before you talk what you don't know - Kiran, USA.
Kiran, what is the use reading and understanding Hinduism or for that matter any religion and not following it, as said? If anybody read and understood it and followed it proprly, we would not have faced what we are facing now in the name of religion and casteism. We are facing hatred, descrimination and ransacking of religious places and I am sure which is not mentioned in Hinuism or for that matter in any other religion. But we still face and suffer. Why? Tell me, in hinduism, any where mentioned casteism? Any where mentioned upper class and lower class? But we still have such things, Why? |
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Feb 8, 2010 |
It looks like you believe the British twisted version of Indian/Hindu history. – Kiran
Take YOUR pick of the theories around and judge for yourself.
There are different theories about the establishment of the caste system. There are religious-mystical theories. There are biological theories. And there are socio-historical theories.
The religious theories explain how the four Varnas were founded, but they do not explain how the Jats in each Varna or the untouchables were founded. According the Rig Veda, the ancient Hindu book, the primal man - Purush - destroyed himself to create a human society. The different Varnas were created from different parts of his body. The Brahmans were created from his head; the Kshatrias from his hands; the Vaishias from his thighs and the Sudras from his feet. The Varna hierarchy is determined by the descending order of the different organs from which the Varnas were created. Other religious theory claims that the Varnas were created from the body organs of Brahma, who is the creator of the world.
The biological theory claims that all existing things - animated and inanimated, inherited three qualities in different apportionment. Sattva qualities include wisdom, intelligence, honesty, goodness and other positive qualities. Rajas include qualities like passion, pride, valour and other passionate qualities. Tamas qualities include dullness, stupidity, lack of creativity and other negative qualities. People with different doses of these inherent qualities adopted different types of occupation. According to this theory, the Brahmans inherent Sattva qualities. Kshatrias and Vaisias inherent Rajas qualities. And the Sudras inherent Tamas qualities.
The social historical theory explains the creation of the Varnas, Jats and of the untouchables. According to this theory, the caste system began with the arrival of the Aryans in India.
Source: http://adaniel.tripod.com/origin.htm |
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| D.P.Kumar, India |
Feb 8, 2010 |
Lakshman Jhoola is a suspended bridge in Rishikesh below which, river Ganga flows!-K.R.Shenoy
Yes. Laxman Jhoola is a part of Rishikesh.
The area with some temples and brdige is called as Laxman jhoola. Here that we find it easier to take a dip in the crystal clear cool water of Ganga.
I do not now remember name of the place nearby where there was good garden and sahasra lingas. Do you remember? |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Feb 7, 2010 |
My poor knowlege about cancer was a disease exclusively " as oral cancer". -A S Mathew
I am releived to note that the ignorance is limited to this one matter. Thank God for that.
PS: Have you tried Bombai beeda or zarda or Benarasi paan with tobacco inside? How about Khaini? All of these can cause oral cancer. Sharp tooth, spirits, [rum etc] sexually transimitted infections, spicy food, smoking all can be causative factors.
PPS: I used to like Bombai beeda. It was popular during our younger days. They used to give it after marriage lunch. |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Feb 7, 2010 |
"Would Pakistan have been a better country if it had chosen to stay with the mainstream India?" - Shenoy
Yes, I do. Today's Pakistan and Bangladesh had substantial Hindu population before partition. However, western front (today's Pak area) would have been a big headache with all the religious fundamentalism and separatist groups. They would have caused much bigger damage to India's progress.
However, we could have achieved much better trade relationship with Iran with a common border, especially in the area of energy. Afghanistan would have stayed under the influence of Soviet Union until its fall. Mujahiddeens and Taliban wouldn't have gained any traction without tactical support from Indian soil.
Well, these are my just thoughts. |
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| Kiran, USA |
Feb 7, 2010 |
Chris Rego,
It looks like you believe the British twisted version of Indian/Hindu history. That does not make it true. Look at all the research since the falsehoods spread by Max Mueller and you will know the difference between European social class import Casteism and flexible profession based Varna where anyone could be in any Varna based on their guna (nature) and karma (actions).
You may not be aware that the word casta is Portuguese and Spanish in origin and not Indian or English.
You have to read and understand Hinduism first, before you talk what you don't know.
Shareef Moideen,
The European social class system is family based (or bith based (jati)) and is rigid. The Varna system is just a grouping of various professions. Every religions evolve and sometimes some good and some bad practices creep into the religion - sometimes from groups within the religion and sometimes from outside. Varna or professional identification is part of Hinduism, but jati or a rigid birth based social distinction is an unwanted European influence on Hinduism over few centuries and Hindus are rejecting it from within. It is somewhat like a small group within Islam taking a word like jihad and giving it a terrorist flavor until the original meaning of the word gets lost. |
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| Kudpi Rajanikanth Shenoy, India |
Feb 7, 2010 |
The only technique to be famous is either appease or provoke the sentiments of the majority or minority communities in India.
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Well uttered statement, Shareef Moideen!
Many may beg to differ with you, though you are 100 percent right ! |
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| Kudpi Rajanikanth Shenoy, India |
Feb 7, 2010 |
But most Hindus know the purity of Ganga in many parts where it flows like Lakshman Jhoola
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DP, Lakshman Jhoola is a suspended bridge in Rishikesh below which, river Ganga flows!
Your apprehension is well understandable, but please try and refer to exact context! :-)
Thus, discussions may move towards better understanding! :-) |
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| Puttur Dinesh, USA |
Feb 7, 2010 |
| Thanks for the info. |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Feb 7, 2010 |
"In this age of inquiry and rationalism we still see old monks sticking to corrupt practices and fall prey to mysticism and false beliefs." - Michael Lobo, India.
Dear Lobo,
Very good points. I love 'inquiry and rationalism'. If I am right you believe in your religion and God, right? So....have you seen God? Just curious to know where your 'inquiy and rationalism' stops and cynicism begins. |
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| D.P.Kumar, India |
Feb 7, 2010 |
SP,
Just try to know the length of the Ganga and its branches. Do you think the whole Ganga is contaminated? I have taken its water from Prayag (Triveni sangam) where 3 tributeries join, then in Kashi (Varanasi or Benares) and also in Gaya.
Nothing has happened?
You can carry acqua-guard of Eureka Forebes where ever you go as people like you find no good water in India as you find the Netravati also so!
I get plastic pieces along with water supplied by the Mangalore City Corporation. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Feb 7, 2010 |
In this age of inquiry and rationalism we still see old monks sticking to corrupt practices and fall prey to mysticism and false beliefs. -Micahel Lobo
Good point there Mr Lobo. Can you extrapolate that argument to other religions too? Or your argument is only against the religion you hate most? |
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| D.P.Kumar, India |
Feb 7, 2010 |
Michael Lobo,
If you say "Ganga waters .... not pure is a proven fact. Distill it ... ", you must have seen and experienced it.
But most Hindus know the purity of Ganga in many parts where it flows like Lakshman Jhoola, Haridwar etc places. Have you ever gone to its ugamasthan? One of Saraswati river is flowing out of a mountain few k.ms from Badrinath.
One more point to note is that flowing water is not considered impure.
Please do visit Hardwar or Laxman Jhoola and experience the purity yourselves. |
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| Nelson Lewis, Bahrain |
Feb 7, 2010 |
Dear Mr. Shenoy R.,
I agree with you that Ms. Sharmila Tagore was (or is) a good actress. However, I am surprised with the Government deciding to award Saif Ali Khan. Why and what is so great about him? Actors of his calibre are found by the bushels in Bollywood. |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Feb 7, 2010 |
Rajan,
We should not blame Sharmila Tagore here. "Hettavarige heggaNa muddu". My mother would not have anything to complain if I won a Bharat Ratna even if I were to have a few scandals of all kinds against my name. It is known as 'Putra Vyamoha'. It will be seen in all Indian mothers.
But it is for the giver of the Award to do some background check about a person before conferring them any award. i.e. the Central Government. SAK was involved in a black buck poaching case, married a lady who was 12 years older to him, divorced her, flirts with a girl who is another 10 years younger than him - all this when he is a father of 2 kids. Whats more? He even ties the blouse knot of cine-actresses on red carpet at Page 3 parties. I doubt if Indians would want such a person to be a role model for their growing up kids or to the youth to inspire them.
Just wait. Check out the Padma Award winners next year. You will find Hutch Dog (pug), Vodafone Zoozoos, Air India Maharaj for having been humble enough amidst such a massive crisis, and probably even that ATM machine. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Feb 7, 2010 |
He was simply telling that he will cut off the hands of the people who try to kill the cows, -A S Mathew
How about acdepting vegetarian diet [saatvik diet] and perhaps fish to get the protein? [Fish curry and rice. Does it ring a bell?]
Cow has emotional appeal to the majority of Indians. Those who wish to live their life styles may have constitutional right to do so but they do it at the risk of becoming unpopular with the majority sentiments.When I refer to the life style, I mean the dietary preferrence rather than any other aspect.
I have a question for people who discuss Pakistan. Would Pakistan have been a better country if it had chosen to stay with the mainstream India? I think so. However, I also feel that the overall progress of India might have been hampered by small minded politicians who would quarrel about Karachi and Lahore apart from Mumbai and Bihar.Telengana issue seemd to have cooled down a bit. God knows for how long. |
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| Shareef Moideen, Mangalore/Jeddah, Saudi Arabia |
Feb 7, 2010 |
Casteism is not Hinduism in origin - It is an import of the inflexible European social class system onto Indian flexible profession based Varna system –Kiran, USA
I beg to disagree with your above statement, when there is a caste system mentioned in various Hindu scriptures how can it be import of the inflexible European social class system? If we agree for the sake of argument then Hindu religion cannot be the ancient religion because it has inspired by Christians or Christianity living in Europe. If we analyze, the caste system in Europe is not similar to caste system in the Hindu religion the caste of Hindu is decided by birth pertaining to his family roots.
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Feb 7, 2010 |
I normally don't cover Political Concoctions, Chris! Spare me! :-) – Raj to me
Oh no, Raj. We were talking about Shenoy’mams brainstorm for Rahul to – “start Pastaism where diet pasta will be served as Prashaad. Pasta for pesta”. Surely, covering food is your strong point, right Raj? And nope, no "political concoctions" - pure pasta! :) |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Feb 6, 2010 |
"Shankaracharya who gave the world the thought of Aham Brammasi" - Puttur Dinesh
Well, the concept was always there and roots go back all the way to vedas and upanishad. You probably heard - 'tattwamasi' (from Chandogya Upanishad). This is short version of 'tat twam asi'. It translates to 'you are that', 'that' being the bigger one that we all search for.
Later, Dvaitha and Adhvaitha philosophies continued the debate. |
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| Puttur Dinesh, USA |
Feb 6, 2010 |
Akanksh
I was mentioning Varun building 200 temples with his own money when god"s people have no place to dwell.
My concern was about the Human dignity
Coming to Hindu Philosophy, There is brahmma- creator
Vishnu- sustainer
Maheshwara/Shiva -destroyer
Then there is Shankaracharya who gave the world the thought of Aham Brammasi-
I am Brahmma, Braman or Bramma is within me.
Then there is the great Indian culture of "Namaste"- which means I respect the God within you.
Seems like BJP and Varun have forgotten the true spirit of Hinduism and are out to get the minorities.
Look for the brahmma within than induging in petty issues like relgion. |
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| Tony, USA |
Feb 6, 2010 |
“The real headquarters of the Sangh Parivar is not in Maharashtra [official headquarters of the Hindu extremist Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh, or RSS, in Nagpur), it’s in Karnataka,” said Saldanha, who conducted a private inquiry into a series of attacks that rocked Karnataka in September 2008 following the unprecedented anti-Christian bloodbath in Orissa state’s Kandhamal district.
Between Aug. 17 and Sept. 21, 2008, more than 28 attacks on churches, led mainly by the Hindu extremist Bajrang Dal, a Sangh Parivar offshoot, were reported from various parts of Karnataka.
Saldanha pointed out that Brahmins, the highest or priestly class in the caste hierarchy in Hinduism, from Udupi district and Mangalore city in neighboring Dakshina Kannada district played a special role in leading the Hindu right-wing movement. The retired judge also accused the BJP government of supporting Sangh Parivar outfits with public money.
“The Karnataka government gives money to right-wing groups for festivals in the name of celebrations, and also through donations to certain temples,” he said.
http://www.christiannewstoday.com/Christian_News_Report_495.html |
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| Steve, Australia |
Feb 6, 2010 |
"As to RSS - When the propaganda/attacks stop, it will die a natural death" Original Pai sees it differently.
No Sir. RSS is neither desperately looking for way to commit suicide nor will it die a natural death. Not in our lifetime.
Once the power is realised by a group, the group becomes subservient to the power. The power takes over everything.
RSS and all those fringe groups that have survived on hatred and falsehoods, and the claimed Indian Culture, will not let that power slip away so easily from their hands. Even if it means destroying the self-respect of the minorities.
These groups will keep inventing falsehoods to enhance their power and survival. |
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| Tony, USA |
Feb 6, 2010 |
| Hindu nationalists have a lot in common with Nazis. Hindu nationalists like Nazis believe blood and biological origin are the basis of identity. Hindu nationalists believe identity is fixed, they reject the idea that personal allegiance to the country makes a person an Indian. |
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| Tony, USA |
Feb 6, 2010 |
| Where do you get your facts? Gujarat ranks fifth in per capita income after Goa, Haryana, Maharashtra and Punjab. |
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Feb 6, 2010 |
Casteism is not Hinduism in origin - It is an import of the inflexible European social class system onto Indian flexible profession based Varna system. – Kiran
Bravo Kiran - that was spoken like a true illusionist worth a mere 2 bits who pulls stuff from his hat!
FYI, casteism is 3,000+years and is a pernicious practice that discriminates against nearly a fourth of the country's billion-plus population. The caste system was described in Hinduism's ancient sacred text, the Rig Veda, as a social order intended to maintain harmony in society.
So ask the billion $ question- what was Europe at the time of the Vedas? Weren’t they just loafing around in caves with their clubs? We are talking about 1,500 BC here and I’d love to hear more on your harebrained theory that it is an “import” from Europe!
Buddha might have ended up “discovering” the same stuff found in the Vedas. However, he left out the caste bit, didn’t he? Probably there was no “Somarasa” under the Bodhgaya tree, I reckon!
Do some reading on ‘Manusmriti’ so that you get to know the true roots of Casteism and get back will you?
About the Art of Living, I regret the error of typing it as “Life”. |
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| John Crasta, India |
Feb 6, 2010 |
I hope India moves forward in love and peace=.
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Hi Steve,
Whether peace in India or in Astralia,
why should we defend anybody’s action or inaction? Instead we should pray for the leadership as advised in the bible.
1Thimothy: 2:1-4 is as follows.
“First of all, then, I urge that petitions, prayers, requests and thanksgiving be offered to God for ALL PEOPLE, for kings and others who are in authority, that we may live a
quiet and peaceful life with all reverence towards God and with proper conduct. This is good and it pleases God our savior who wants everybody to be saved and to come to know the truth” |
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| Kudpi Rajanikanth Shenoy, India |
Feb 6, 2010 |
'm sure my pal Rajani wont mind putting up a write-up. Right Raj?
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I normally don't cover Political Concoctions, Chris! Spare me! :-) |
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| Kudpi Rajanikanth Shenoy, India |
Feb 6, 2010 |
What is the BT brinjanl anyway?
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PD, if you don't know about that, my assumption goes like BT stands for Bio Tech and the pioneer World over, is Monsanto in Bio Technology.
Brinjal is the main agro product that they want to promote for the simple reason that Brinjal is a proven wholesome vegetable, especially in old Mysore where Badne Kaayi is also used as a phrase, compared to cheap things! :-D |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Feb 6, 2010 |
Please Go For Meditation Class -Hiranya
Sir, do you have a nephew by name Mr Prahlada Rao who runs from pillar to post? |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Feb 6, 2010 |
What is the BT brinjanl anyway?
-Puttur Dinesh maam
Let me not talk about the bookish knowledge here. It is a genetically modified brinjal with resistance to some pests it seems. There are some concerns as to its safety for consumption. But let me tell you one thing. No one can live for 150 years even if he has not tried this vegetable. In fact you will still have your life expectancy as per standards. It again does not depend on if you are a sinner or not. Tell me something. Why do some children die? What is their sin? |
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| Alfred J. Rebello, Duba,, UAE |
Feb 6, 2010 |
Youth: Yes, please - they need a good direction and role model. One type of youth are busy blindly copying the drug culture while another group is busy in silly fights and moral policing. They both need better direction. Take a look at our cities/town filled with garbage. We can do so many little things to improve the situation. - Original Pai.
Opai, there is a saying, evrything starts from home. Therefore, why don't you start by yourself all the above instead of sitting in USA and give advise to others. |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Feb 6, 2010 |
"Or is it plain brainwashing the gentleman has received by being a member of the RSS..Sene and all the stink in between?" Steve alias Ravi from Australia.
"Brainwashing"? Look who is talking? smiles...
May be, you should read your own hysterical posts and how you go after 'Indian' culture while secretely admiring your 'masters'! I can understand why you hate any groups/individuals who love India with so much passion. Because, they *do* confront self-hating Indians engaged in anti-Indian propoganda. And, they don't apologize for loving their own country.
As to RSS - When the propaganda/attacks stop, it will die a natural death. People like you and other self-hating groups are only strengthening these organizations. |
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| Kiran, USA |
Feb 6, 2010 |
It was all b'coz of the deficiencies in Hinduism -- Chris Rego to NSS on the topic of conversion.
Thought and spoken like a true conversionist. Spot deficiencies in one religion to convert them to another - ofcourse all religions are deficient one way or another. FYI, Casteism is not Hinduism in origin - It is an import of the inflexible European social class system onto Indian flexible profession based Varna system.
Coming to your point about Buddhism started because of deficiencies in Hinduism - Do you really believe that Gautama Buddha sat under a tree pondering the defects of Hinduism to start a new religion ? Do you know what is Enlightenment (Nirvana) according to Buddhism ? Do you know that he discovered pretty much the same stuff that is in the Vedas ?
Even the Shri Shankar - of the Art of life said -- Chris Rego
FYI, it is Art of Living and his name is Shri Shri Ravi Shankar. |
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| Govindraj, Canada |
Feb 6, 2010 |
.........Slum Dog......it was indeed a mockery by the very same British who enjoyed and left India leading to all these slums and someone called a director became a millionnaire and our Rehman got only plaques......
How do we solve this menace spreading ?
Shree. Shammi Kapoor could provide us with lasting solutions if he be approached and given resources and finances.
I am sure Mr. India-Shammi Kapoor will oblige if we take action in this direction.
Thank you,
Govindraj |
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| Puttur Dinesh, USA |
Feb 6, 2010 |
Steve I don't know how long you have been folowing EYT but I have been here long enough.
this is a democratic forum like any other forum, there are people beloning to different religions, political affiliations.
There are BJP, congress supporters and also republican and democrats. We all bring our point of view to the table, agree on some issues and disagree on others. It does expand your knowledge as you see different views. Sometimes things get out of hand but EYTans in general stick togetehr.
So take it easy Mate(Mait) get a can of fosters and chill. |
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| Alfred J. Rebello, Dubai,, UAE |
Feb 6, 2010 |
Do we need people like Rahul? - N.S. Shenoy.
YES. VERY MUCH. Because he doesn't talk about Caste or religion, language or divided states of India but about NATION and its unity. Regretfully many do not like him because they still boast about caste or religion, language and support the community rather India as one. I do not think there are so many betrayers of their own nation anywhere in the world like India in the name of Caste or religion, language and communities etc. which includes politicians, Government servants, religious people etc. |
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| Steve, Australia |
Feb 6, 2010 |
Over the last couple of days, a couple of people posting here on EYT have surprised me.
For example, one person is very eager to praise the RSS..Ram Sene and all the rotten stink in between. But he seems to dislike anything to do with Rahul Gandhi.
Why such a difference? Is it the political allegiance? Or is it plain brainwashing the gentleman has received by being a member of the RSS..Sene and all the stink in between?
Folks here, be very careful of the Indian Culture. Be very careful about those terrorists who belong to groups that deal with Christians and Muslims as "you do not belong to this country" group.
I hope India moves forward in love and peace=.
The fanatics in India do everything possible to keep the country terribly backward. |
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| Puttur Dinesh, USA |
Feb 6, 2010 |
Naags
partial knowledge is dangerous, they were baptist missionaried from Idaho.
who they say were trying to get the kids out of Haiti because of the living conditions there. I think they brke the law by not following proper procedure. I don't think their intentions were to abduct children but t give them a better life. But I am not sure though,they all have been charged with child abduction let us see what comes out of it.
I think US should get out of Haiti once the local government is up and running, we need health care and take care of our own people here. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Feb 6, 2010 |
Gujjubhai did not have much time to spare for any of this anyway.-Steve aka Vijay ki bhai from Deewaar
Why do you think Gujarat is the most prosperous state in India? Under Narendra Modi's able leadership, it has made all the strides.Gujarati people know his capabilities. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Feb 6, 2010 |
Cunningness thy name is Congress thieves.-Nagendra maam
You can say that Koti times. Don't worry about the Chenniah from UAE. During the 1971 general elections, there were hoardings in Mangalore 'Hypocrisy, thy name is Indira. I don't think many people remember that. Or do they? Yenchina panpaar Kotiyaanere? Kokke buddhi artha aande?Aayijinda panle. Onte tution korka. |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Feb 6, 2010 |
"India does not require teddy bears and wimps, but assertive leaders who can fight its enemies and do good to common people by getting rid of poverty, eradicating illiteracy, checking in population, protecting flora and fauna, etc., etc" - Nelson Lewis
Some good analysis and thought there, Nelson! |
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Feb 6, 2010 |
Prince Rahul will start Pastaism where a diet pasta will be served as Prashaad. Pasta for pesta. How is that? - Shenoy
Sounds good mate. Wht not try some for breaka, lunch, tea and dinner and let us know how it tastes. And if it is good, I'm sure my pal Rajani wont mind putting up a write-up. Right Raj?
So Shenoy'maam, what are you waiting for - Xmas 2010? |
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| Alfred J. Rebello, Dubai,, UAE |
Feb 6, 2010 |
By the way, how old is the Australian culture, if we may say so? Please enlighten me. - Nelson.
Nelson, oldness of a culture has nothing to do with its applications. Are most of the so called Indian minorities (As proclaimed by some) do not suffer in the name of culture? For me, there is only one culture, respect one and all. Is it happenning in India to Indians? If not, then what are you talking about oldness of a culture? |
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| Nelson Lewis, Bahrain |
Feb 6, 2010 |
Puttur,
For your kind there are many chronic issues that you, I and everyone can deal. As regards writing to Mr. S.M. Krishna, for your kind information, I have already done that but, to be frank, on another issue.
As regards the plight of workers, these days hardly any workers come from other parts of India, but only the State that is 89.5 times smaller than India and in their State they create a ruckus, but here they stoop low and do base things either for survival or making fast buck. I hope you got what I am trying to infer. Further, many people have written a lot of voluminous material about the plight of workers in this part of the world and you need not have any sleepless nights over this issue.
In this modern days, I still use my pen and postage a lot. |
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| Nelson Lewis, Bahrain |
Feb 6, 2010 |
Ravi,
I have read your post, which does not make any sense to me. If you know me, please identify yourself. I would love to embrace a long lost friend about whom I have forgotten.
If you have taken up citizenship of a foreign land, that is your prerogative and certainly you have to be loyal to your adopted land. However, kindly advise your friend, Steve, to write something sensible and not insult Indian culture or, for that matter, any other cultures. By the way, how old is the Australian culture, if we may say so? Please enlighten me.
As regards travelling in India, I have travelled quite a bit and also take the trouble to know my country and the world quite well. However, I do not consider myself an authority on culture like the way Steve poses to be. You are others who have come to his defence are amazing people to defend this amazing character. |
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| N.S.Shenoy, India |
Feb 6, 2010 |
click, click.
Chris poses "Have you ever wondered as to why Buddhism started? It was all b'coz of the deficiencies in Hinduism'?
In that case, why you are not a Budhist?
blink, blink?
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| N.S.Shenoy, India |
Feb 6, 2010 |
Do we need people like Rahul?
aam admi geting in to First class compartment without buying a ticket!
No general passengers allowed but congis and police up to Ghat Kopar!
We better listen to his Indian Idol for nuclear deal, the poor widow from Vidarbha -Kalavati. She never got her pension promised by Rahul even after a year.
What can he do to millions of poor?
Who pays for his travel by flights and helicopters?
Can anyone guess what's Congress Party fund made of and quantify. |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Feb 6, 2010 |
But when an Aussie is caught in his bank watching nude pics during work-time, it is an Aussie TV channel perhaps that's staring :)
Puttur Dinesh Maam, did you hear of 10 Americans involved in child-trafficking in Haiti during such times of acute distress? It should have left you in disarray. Is is American culture by chance? You should be able to explain us better.
Now I better be ready this weekend to take some from the self-styled propagators of whatever culture. |
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| puttur Dinesh, USA |
Feb 5, 2010 |
Come one guys, Diana steve, Shenoy what is wrong with you. Stop this mess, we all can agree to disagree.
Move on |
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| Diana, USA |
Feb 5, 2010 |
Will take a long time for them to catch up with their western counterparts; screwing in public.------Shenoy
Everywhere that happens there is one Indian watching it happen. Another culture trait. |
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| Steve, Australia |
Feb 5, 2010 |
Cookery and Hair-dressing courses have attracted many, many Punjabis and a few other Indians (as well as non-Indians) to Australia.
As I have reported, one Punjabi gets the visa for a cookery course, and the rest of the family comes to Australia on the back of that single visa. A visa entitles the visa holder to work for 20 hours. But a lot of cash-only (that is no tax paid) work is done by the "hard working" Punjabis, clocking up 50 hours and more per individual. Many drive taxis.
The drama created by the Indian media has finally woken up Australia from its slumber. The Indian Culture is shaking the many, otherwise slow-acting, departments into some action.
As a first step, it appears that cookery and hair-dressing will not automatically make a person eligible for permanent residence. This would mean that about 20,000 Punjabis and their spouses will have to go back. Other Punjabis who are busy visiting the agents in Jullundar will have to come up with new strategies. I won't be surprised if many join "sports" teams to play special events and come here and then seek refugee status. That has been done before.
The law-abiding Indian origin people are not complaining. I was talking to a Marathi Manoos and a Gujjubhai yesterday. Both were busy buying beers to each in celebration of all the developments. I think they too had enough of the Indian Culture. I asked them if they had heard of Ram Sene. "There is nothing called Ram Sene, Ishteeve Bhai. It is Shiv Shena. They are very bad" Gujjubhai corrected me. The Marathi Manoos just shook his head. Maybe he is confused about which region and which group is the rightful custodian of the Indian Culture.
Gujjubhai did not have much time to spare for any of this anyway. He needed to hurry back to sell opals to the Japanese tourists. |
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| Ravi, Australia |
Feb 5, 2010 |
Ooops Shenoy, can you prove a signle instace of falsities, luring and the lot you are accusing. Does not your conscience tell you that you are pulling things out of the extremeties.
If at all the Christians are to be blamed for such atrocities, prove it. Now Love Jihad fizzled out. Every religion is prosecuted in the same way, Hindu's in Malaysia, Bhuddhists in Tibet, etc.
There is the Italian question again. What would it have been if the Italian wasnt there, you would have something else to crib about. Not one of the bloggers comment about eradicating corruption.
India needs to fight graft at every level. that is what should be the nationalist mantra. If the whole of India was non-corrupt for a week the nation will grow by 1% in that week (yeah I made that figure).
Bangaldesh eliminated most of its Hindu population, did it prosper?
If you see the German experiment the Jews were accused of all wrong things before they were exterminated. its just a start with one accusation and it goes on and on.
Indians have set standards for peace, non violence and harnmony. Europeans have learnt from us. If we copy their methods of extermination, all is lost. |
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| Puttur Dinesh, USA |
Feb 5, 2010 |
Sorry Shenoy Maam
I have some freinds from out of town coming that day, otherwise I would have hosted you at my place.
tell every one that you love that "you really love them".
Shenoy maam I love you man.
http://www.iloveyouman.com/- watch the movie, it's good. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Feb 5, 2010 |
Meanwhile, Congress should think of getting Prez. rule in Maharashtra after being unable to give protection to North Indians and making Mumbai a topic for ruckus.-Nagendra maam
No. Sudhakar Kotiyan does not like it.He owns one crore elephants. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Feb 5, 2010 |
part of Indian Culture-----peeing, crapping and spitting in public.-Diana USA
True. very true. Still old habits. Will take a long time for them to catch up with their western counterparts; screwing in public. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Feb 5, 2010 |
.I cant bear the heat, rain water in side the bus, dirty music, loud noice of horns & dust inside the bus while travelling by dirty privately owned buses.I -Jacob Mendonsa
I could not agree more. Right on the spot. I always see that the travel between Mangalore and Udupi etc is so cumbersome. Your clothes catch all the dust on top of that. With comfortable buses I hope no such problems in future. I also note the point made in the same post where proper garbage disposal facility has been requested. That is a reasonable request. I hope the minister will look into the matter and make sure that our district is clean.
PS: A hint for BJP Ministers and MLA's. Stop playing the religion card and start working on the development of the state the way Narendra Modi did. Every saint has a past. Every sinner has a future. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Feb 5, 2010 |
lets all astop the talk on australia for a while. P D
Shall we change gears and celebrate Valentine's day instead? [Gammat Alva?] |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Feb 5, 2010 |
Have you ever wondered as to why Buddhism started? -Chris Rego''
Yes. I have. The prince was devastated by what he saw on the roads just the way Price Rahul was in Mumbai. [ATM had no cash] Prince Rahul will start Pastaism where a diet pasta will be served as Prashaad. Pasta for pesta. How is that? |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Feb 5, 2010 |
I can see the future PM in Rahul.-Nithin
We all can for that matter. Why not yourself Nitin? You are from the powerful Poojary community. You must be intelligent, being a DK origin guy. Have you thought why it is one family or clan which is ruling India when Cong I gets power? Is it that there are no real suitable people in Cong I? How about your own man Janardhana Poojary? Can he be the next PM? RISE ABOVE ALL THIS inferiority complex Mr Poojary. You will realise for how many decades Cong I has taken advantage of you and other minority people. Still you guys will never learn. |
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| Puttur Dinesh, USA |
Feb 5, 2010 |
Lewis
I think we need a truce between steve and rest of the EYT,
lets all astop the talk on australia for a while.
By the way. have you guys ever thought of sending a letter to Krishna regarding the plight of domestic assitants or construction workersin the middle East? they face lot of abuse and horrible living conditions.
It sad that fellow Indians don't support them. |
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| Gautam Sinha, Bahrain |
Feb 5, 2010 |
| You are perfectly right. He should have gone to house of Bal Thakre and said hello to him, have tea with him and ask him what problem he face. |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Feb 5, 2010 |
"can you face a minority judge handling your case?" - Ravi, Australia alias Steve, Australia.
Dear Ravi / Steve alias Mr.Whoever,
You have totally lost it my friend. Now, you are talking about holocaust and Nuremburg!! Your panic driven propaganda is reaching new heights of insanity now.
May be, you should read a little more about Germany's history and the incidents leading upto WW-II. Equating today's India to pre-World War Germany and implying a massive killings/humanrights abuse to the scale of Nazi Germany is insane. |
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Feb 5, 2010 |
But here Christians want to convert Hindus or tribals or Buddhists. It is adventurism! - N S shenoy
You must be sniffing the Pink Panther’s PINK chaddis to even think of “adventurism”! S M I L E S…………. wink wink.. BLINK BLINK
Crap aside, you are no different from a warmonger, man!
Have you ever wondered as to why Buddhism started? It was all b'coz of the deficiencies in Hinduism – especially regarding casteism! Get off your high horse for a change bro! Don’t make an ass of yourself out here, k?
Read the local news if you are wired in India! Who hits the news like flies hit sh*t? Thackeray/Khoda/Shetty here and shetty there……… Read the latest crap on your Indian Culture from Shiv Sena! Read some more and get back to me.
Even the Shri Shankar - of the Art of life said - Uddhav needs a course! If you ask me, he (Uddhav) needs a specific course - inter***rse! |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Feb 5, 2010 |
"The Rise & Fall of Third Reich" - topic brought up by dear Nelson Lewis.
For thos who don't have the patience to read the large book, there are DVDs from History channel. I think it runs for 3 hrs - very interesting documentary. |
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| Govindaraj Prabhu, India |
Feb 5, 2010 |
Even today USD holds the might...
though everyone disbilves this...
US Federal Bank runs the entire worlds economy...though i wonder how..?
Consumption tells you the whole story bloody!! |
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| Nelson Lewis, Bahrain |
Feb 5, 2010 |
Puttur,
Please do not confuse yourself. Kindly read my comments in entirety once again.
If Steve has embraced Australian citizenship, he has every right to be loyal to that country. However, he need not throw brickbats and make insulting remarks on a land of his roots. That also applies to you too.
I have not only friends, but close relations who are in U.S.A. and I am happy for them for having done well and progressed in life. There is nothing to be jealous about. Got it.
For your kind information I have worked with Americans (both whites and blacks), interacted with them and have cherished memories of the time spent together at and off work place.
Just because an Indian has gone abroad and taken nationality of that land, it does not give him carte blanche to randomly criticise India or its culture which, for your kind information, is amongst the oldest civilisations in the world, whereas the U.S. civilisation is not that old and Australian civilsation is a recent one.
Why are you not giving this brilliant piece of advice to Steve, who appears to be suffering from a phobia? A frank advice to him, may do him a world of good. |
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| umanath nair, India |
Feb 5, 2010 |
| I was quite overwhelmed to see the website on mangalore. though i left mangalore in 1980, the place holds a special place in my heart, me being born and brought up there, completing my studies at St.Aloysius college and Mangalore university at Konaje. My wife's nephew is now an Aloysian and write up on the Art's festival in the website took me down memory lane when I spent those good old days in Aloysius. best wishes to all Mangaloreans and Aloysians in particular. |
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| Nelson Lewis, Bahrain |
Feb 5, 2010 |
Mr. A.S. Mathew,
Since you have brought up the issue of the Pearl Harbour bombing, I would like to share with you some interesting information.
The Commander of the Japanese Imperial Navy was Admiral Yamamoto. The bombing of Pearl Harbour took place on his birthday and after the bombing the Admiral was sitting in the conference hall of his flag ship along with his senior officers to discuss about the bombing.
At that time, there was an announcement made on the loudspeaker informing all the officers sitting in the confderence hall that His Majesty, Emperor Hirohito, sends his congratulations on the successful raid on Pearl Harbour and also wishes the Admirmal a happy birthday. Everyone stand up to applaud the Admiral.
The Admiral stands up and asks about the destruction and the enemy losses. He is briefed about the number of ships sunk, destroyed and damaged, the number of aircrafts destroyed, destruction of shore installations, etc., etc. Thereafter, to his query, when he is informed that not a single aircraft carrier was destroyed or sunk, he asks what is there to be happy and celebrate about?
Then, he uses the prophetic words, \"All we have done is to arouse a sleeping giant and fill him with resolve.\" He then goes on to say that he knows better than the rest about the economic and industrial capacity and strength of U.S.A., where he had done his University education, hitch-hiked coast-to-coast on one summer vacation and served as the Military Attache in the Japanese Embassy in Washington D.C.
True enough, at the height of the war, it is said that U.S.A. was producing a vehicle per minute (could be a tank, truck, armoured carrier, jeep, towable artillery piece, etc.), a ship per day (could be a gunboat, frigate, cruiser, corvette, destroyer, aircraft carrier, etc.). Again, thousands of aircrafts were manufactured by U.S.A., Germany, U.K. and Japan every month in order to cope with the massive aircraft losses every month.
Americans GIs were the only soldiers who had the luxury of flying by air while proceeding on leave or rest and recreation, if they could find a spare seat.
One of the best books to read on World War II is \"The Rise & Fall of Third Reich\" by William S. Shirer. However, the books runs between 1,600 to 1,700 pages.
Regards,
Nelson |
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| Diana, USA |
Feb 5, 2010 |
| Dont forget another unique part of Indian Culture-----peeing, crapping and spitting in public. |
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| N.S.Shenoy, India |
Feb 5, 2010 |
Ravi, Australia,
If every civilisation, country and people had thought what you dreamed of, there would have been no issue.
But here Christians want to convert Hindus or tribals or Buddhists. It is adventurism!
Muslims want to convert dalits or others with their own methods.
What an Hindu would feel when his sister is abducted on lures or falsities?
The cause of friction is this lure, cheating, fraud and misrepresentation. The tolerance of any sane man will have limitations. |
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| N.S.Shenoy, India |
Feb 5, 2010 |
can you face a minority judge handling your case?-Ravi
Arre bhai, Judges are decided by Her Magesty !! U No who !!! Italian !!!!! |
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| N.S.Shenoy, India |
Feb 5, 2010 |
Praveen Pinto,
have u gone in to the comments by steve?
If u hv read them, you wud hv known how he hi-lited stary incidents as Indian culture s if he is not from that!
Is it called deceptive to self and own heart? |
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| Kiran, USA |
Feb 5, 2010 |
young man said that the people in his prior city were all angry and hostile-Kiran''
Pss..t. Steve had problems in the gulf too.
I wonder why that does not surprise us :) |
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| N.S.Shenoy, India |
Feb 5, 2010 |
Ghandi and danda march !!
I wondered why shops were closed in Parla area! It is Ghandi's surprise visit and police danda!!
Colleges closed. Yet, Ghandi reportedly discussed with students (youth congres members??). There were no students nor the journalists allowed to photograph!!
Another gimmick by travelling to Ghat Gobar by LOCAL Train !! The TRAIN WAS HELD UP.
ordinary travellers stopped from entering. Train held up much beyond normal time.
Whole police force was present with Danda.
Parts of Mumbai lost 6 hours.
What did Rahul Ghandi achieve? Didtsurbing routine city life?
Had he visited Kalavati in Vidarbha, it would have cost less and few more LIES from Rahul.... |
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| Ravi, Australia |
Feb 5, 2010 |
Nelson,
I beleive you have replied to Steve based on his comments "Do not attempt to ridicule the culture of the country you were born into" - Shenoy, another face of the Indian Culture ownership.....
You once commented about Indians in Australia keeping quite about the attacks. you are very naive and ignorant of how things work internationally. you may not have a voice there in the middle east but here in Australia we have our own strings to pull.
Pulled strings, we have and will do again (I dont need to spell it out how?), we live off the fat of this land and pay our taxes and deserve every right and more we are Indians.
I went to a professional college and studies with North Indians I know how they operate in other turfs. read my earlier blog about a Punjabi boy handing me a can of beer to dispose at an entrance to the last Diwali festival here.
The first person to abuse me in Australia was an Indian Student and a waiter at a restaurant. we all have our reasons, dont sit in the middle east, I have lived there before you and know what its like.
though I know you personally(the name atleast) and very capable, you have proved otherwise in blog. please tone down.
Indians who accept Australian citizenship automatically loose everything. I need a visa to get to India if not for my OCI. We sowre alleigance to the Commonwealth of Australia and we will preserve it.
I have lived in remote mining towns and dealt with the roughest. all they need to know is that you are better than them and they keep quite, give them a upper hand and they will maul you.
have you travelled India well, like UP, Bihar and Punjab. if you have then you would have found the australians much softer than the fosters advertisement.
Nelson, please dont let your literary skills get the better of you and just have a healthy discussion. We who live in Australia know it better. |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Feb 5, 2010 |
Gujarat, Orissa, Madhya Pradesh and karnataka were thier labs. It is like testing a nuke and the Sangh Parivar will eliminate all minorities IF they come to power or they will gain it like Hitler - Ravi
Ravi,
They have already been in power at those places and some are in their hands even now. By what percentage has minority population dropped in these states? Do you have any figures?
If what you claim is indeed true, why isn't the Messiah of Minority that is ruling India for the 2nd term doing anything on this? Like-minded parties that have formed the alliance can ban all saffron groups, right? But that is not happening. MNS is not banned in MH by Cong-NCP. Why is it so?
Some have used EYT as a sympathy generating tool. Some have used it to cover up elements like IM, Lashkar, Hijbul et al. |
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| Puttur Dinesh, USA |
Feb 5, 2010 |
Nelson
I disagree with you on your views on Steve. I don't think it is necessary to call him brown Sahib or ask for his ancestry.
There are many Indians who have adopted a foreign country as their homeland. It is their choice and they have to merge with the culture of the adopted country instead of being Dhobi ka Kutta.
Have you seen Indian Muslims act more Muslim in Middle East even though they are not citizens? In this case the foreign country has given everything to Steve and many others, it is not necessary that they have to be loyal to the country of origin.
Many citizenship oaths ask for absloute loyalty. Insulting someone just becuase he does not agree with you or calls you out on your culutre seems like teh story of sour grapes to me.
people have worked hard, followed their dreams to reach where they are and they deserve credit.
Steve, just tone down the anti India commnets a tad bit, but if someone isults Australia rebutt with proper remarks. People in the forum think they have all the right to insult Ozzies and Americans but canot take it when some one talks about India. |
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| Kiran, USA |
Feb 5, 2010 |
Steve,
It is unfortunate that you could not see the point from the Sadhu story. It is hard to see the point when you are consumed by your own thoughts. When you travel the length and breadth of India, you will find that most Mangaloreans are of the sadhu nature, but (and this is important) you need to have the clear mind and vision to see that. Coastal Karnataka has been harmonious and peaceful until the minority appeasement Governments of the past (Congress) continued following in the footsteps of the divide and conquer British instead of the footsteps of unity exemplified by the great Mahatma Gandhi whose name forms the back bone of this party. What we see now is only the fruits of the past. Karma, of our nation, if you prefer that word.
If Congress had not accumulated this bad Karma, there would never have been a reason for BD and SRS to be born. As I have pointed out with evidence on this forum before, SRS clearly has a backroom dealing with the Congress, but it is human nature to believe what we want to believe and forget all the evidence to the contrary.
(I may or may not have those links now, but if you really want to see it, you can try searching this forum).
As we have seen, Congress cannot be out of power for long and they will go to any extent to grab power again. They will play the minority card, incite violence and get the majority to react and blame it on the BJP and return to power. We have witnessed it happen in the center and in other states and there is no reason why they should change what worked so well for them in the past. As technology becomes sophisticated, they have to devise cleverer methods to achieve this divisiveness. They may not be as brash and open as the Sajjan Kumars, but may use back door dealings with SRS to achieve their goals.
Now, SRS is politically a hot potato. Neither Congress nor BJP can really deal with them. The Congress will use them to try to get back to power but they know that if Congress gets back to power, SRS will then become a thorn in their side. While the Congress are happy to blame the Govt for the Church attacks and they may even dare the govt to ban the SRS (not openly enough to strain Congress ties to SRS) because doing so may weaken the base of BJP. Either way Congress does its damage. Almost like check-mate (in chess). The only way out seems to be to nab the individuals and expose the Congress-SRS connection fully.
Whenever I see someone use the words RSS/VHP/ABVP/BD/Ram Sene, we should all know that the person is politically uninformed. Some may remember, I have pointed out to readers in the EYT forum, news articles in mangalorean.com, how BD does not get along with SRS and many news articles expressed surprise when they were seen attending in one function, sometime in the past. As O.R.Pai has pointed out RSS and VHP has nothing to do with SRS too. Nor does ABVP. Therefore, your comments are full of speculations based on your own hatred. I think a bit of self-introspection may do you a world of good.
Indian culture is so vast and diverse that no one group can represent it entirely. You haven't even touched the tip of the iceberg. Just quoting some criminal behavior does not even point in the right direction. For example, you must have heard of the 10 baptist members charged with kidnapping children from Haiti during one of their worst disasters. That is not indicative of American culture. Do you consider the kidnap of a whole generation of children in Australia (known as the lost generation) to be the culture of Australia ? I am sure you know better than that. |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Feb 5, 2010 |
Is there anything called “Indian Culture” in the first place? - Chris Rego
Chris Rego,
Didn't you find it in Weberian Dictionary this time around? :-)
Jokes apart, from whatever little bit of reading and thinking I have done, plus some listening to elders (now if anyone wants to assume 'elders' as VHP females and RSS brothers, they are most welcome to do so), something that is considered as CULT by one or a group is Culture. Something which has been CULTIVATED for long by one or a group is a Culture.
PDAs which normally were alien to Indians for long is being practiced by now by some. This wasn\'t cultivated by our ancestors. Females consuming alcohol too is on the rise only now. I don\'t think there are instances of this in the past. Neither they were anything of cult to the majority (not the political meaning of \'majority\'), if at all they were present in a select cases.
Not only Indian culture, there can be something as minute as \'Individual culture\' also. Getting drunk and creating nuisance for others can be one. Cheating, stealing, giving away seat to senior citizens in a crowded bus, helping others, behaving responsibly when in public, misbehaving with elders all this can also be a culture.
Then again, I don\'t think Culture is perpetual. It might change as well. You might have read some time back in EYT how the GSB community with \'Satvika\' food habits centuries back changed into non-vegetarians, that too when our roots can be traced up to intellects like Chyawan Rishi (the Chyawanprash fame) and Saraswat Rishi who had none other than Lord Brahma as their tutelary father and Goddess Saraswathi as tutelary mother.
Whatever may be the counter-arguments for V Day, it has been accepted by Indians and is all set to continue. May be my kids will have an eventful and riot-less V Day to celebrate.
But will the West accept Krishna Janmashtami or Saraswathi Pooja with open arms like we have embraced a few of theirs? I am waiting eagerly to see this rest of my life. |
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| Praveen Pinto, India |
Feb 5, 2010 |
Though I have not had the time to read the comments of one Steve, in detail, I wonder if he is an Australian- Mr Nelson Lewis.
Mr Lewis, I must say this is most unacceptable from you. How can you pass judgement on someone without even going into the details, as you claim? It looks like a feeble attempt to please your friends.Don\'t you think it would have been right to comment on the merits of the post rather than judge the person? |
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| N.S.Shenoy, India |
Feb 5, 2010 |
"I don't think you will ever understand this unless you address your hatred towards other groups based on religion."-Pai to Steve
Just a small correction Mr.Pai.
you will ever TRY TO understand...
RSS/BDS etc are there in Mangalore much before probably Steve was born. How many instances are there that Christians are being attacked by RSS/BDS during the last 5 decades, when we have records of forceful conversions for centuries in this coastal region?
Steve has to understand that the long programme planned by British is still under execution in India. Let Indians understand this. |
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| Ravi, Australia |
Feb 5, 2010 |
Dear R Pai,
the minorities will be eliminated just wait. Gujarat, Orissa, Madhya Pradesh and karnataka were thier labs. It is like testing a nuke and the Sangh Parivar will eliminate all minorities IF they come to power or they will gain it like Hitler.
You must prepare yourself for a nuremberg like trail where you will be prosecuted for what you planned and supported today and executed tommorrow and will be held responsible later.
can you face a minority judge handling your case? |
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| Ravi, Australia |
Feb 5, 2010 |
Dear Original,
If you have been with such organisations then you should be very familiar with "We, Our Nationhood Defined" it will expose the total need to eliminate all non hindu's and you will have to eliminate your practising christian at home.
What was said about total genocide and that is what is aimed.
There is no turning back to a fascist organisation. the entire agenda is to eliminate and destroy the minorities (i.e. Sikhs, Muslims, Buddhists, christians, jains and all).
That will be the nationhood defined. No country after eliminating its lesser brother has risen to dominate. See history, communism has collapsed so will every oppression.
India needs nationalism but not at the cost of its own citizens. learn from history every powerful nation rose because of its diversity. only when two hands meet you can clap and they are opposing.
it's like marriage, both are not the same but give rise to the revered balance of nature. |
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| Nelson Lewis, Bahrain |
Feb 5, 2010 |
Steve,
I have been reading your posts, which have baffled me and made me grope in the dark. You write your posts, as if you are an authority on Indians, Indian culture, etc.
By the way, are you a white (in Hindi, we say "gorra"), brown (in Hindi, we say "kala) or an Aborigine (in Hindi, we say "Adivasi")? Your response to my query will help me to understand you much better.
My gut feeling is that your roots are Indian, but you have settled down in Australia and have lost your moorings and, therefore, act or ape like a select or exclusive breed or, permit me to say, a "brown sahib". In short, you have an attitude problem my friend and I feel you have to do something about it.
As far as I know, many Indians have gone to Australia, taken up citizenship of that massive, but one of the most sparesely populatated pieces of real estates in the world and settled down. They are working very hard, leading decent lives and obviously have made Australia proud and got a good name to the land of their birth or origin, namely India. Good luck to them and let them make sustained progress.
However, from what I have heard from people who have interacted with Australians and seen them at close quarters and read, Australians are a very hardy race (especially those in the Outbacks and sheep stations), but many of them are racist. Facts are facts and let us accept it.
I do concede that some Australians (of Indian origin) and students (coming from India) may be involved in offences, anti-legal activities, crimes and hocus-pocus, but in that case it is for the Australian law enforcement agencies and police and the Indian External Affairs Ministry officials to do something about it. If you are living in a hamlet or village, crime is either not there or negligible, but where there are people and commercial interests, crime is definitely going to be there. Pots of honey attract flies.
Since days, I have been seeing that you are churning a lot of crap by exaggerating things and making derogatory remarks about Indian culture. For some wrong actions of a few, do not cast stones on the Indian or any other culture. Let us adopt the "live-and-let-live" attitude, instead of behaving like watchdogs or moral policemen.
Today, I have been reading your posts and I am led to believe that you like to exaggerate and sensationalise issues and would warm the cockles of Josef Goebbel's heart.
Your posts are quite voluminous and probably you may be one more contender for the Booker Prize. Alfred J. Rebello, you have a contender for the throne. Beware my friend! |
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| gayathri, blore, India |
Feb 5, 2010 |
| Eventho I'm from the majority community, I am so ashamed to hear all these Indians in so many sexual crimes in Australia. But our indian papers only want to say Austrelians rascist. Shame on Indians. And other readers calling Steve that he is Mir Sadek. But not feeling ashamed of so many Rathores going to Austrelia pretending as students. Shame on the writers here! Thank you Steve for telling the true story. I am happy that you are presenting correctly the dirty side of our nature. |
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| Steve, Australia |
Feb 5, 2010 |
Shame on me, Shenoy? Thank you for your misguided judgment.
So, you are more interested in killing the messenger rather than getting the message. The message is, the so-called Indian Culture which you believe I don't have, is amply demonstrated by many Indians here in Australia.
No, not from anyone from Mangalore. You may not be horrified. But I certainly am.
One more here case of a Singh.
http://www.theage.com.au/national/two-men-raped-14yearold-girl-court-hears-20100205-nhkc.html
This is not a stray case. This is becoming an everyday affair.
I am sure Shenoy you are getting tired about hearing about the Indian Culture. So am I. |
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Feb 5, 2010 |
This is the tragedy of taking ownership of something as indefinable as the Indian culture. Once people have taken ownership of a certain angle of the Indian Culture, everybody else is seen through the lens of the "pre-determined values". - Steve
Hey Steve, you echoed my sentiments right down to the last dotted 'i' and crossed’t’. Imagine the gall of some idiots who want to enforce their own ideologies under the guise of "Indian Culture"! Unfortunately, even the apparently well-read NRI's out here on EYT haven't been able to define "Indian Culture". Is there anything called “Indian Culture” in the first place? Now, that’s the question that people should be asking. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Feb 5, 2010 |
Aren't people on EYT tired of Shenoy?-Steve
I guess they are. As long as pseudoreligious people thrive, this state of affairs will continue. Who knows? God may actually stop all the attcks on Indians in Australia. Am I right Matthew saab? |
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| Smitha Rai, UAE |
Feb 5, 2010 |
BJP is keeping it on top agenda for the next general election after Ram Janma bhoomi temple construction.."dp'jee
dp'jee, why not get the swiss money first and then start the ram temple? maybe then bjp can build a very strong temple.
also, wt do u think of the drama in mumbai? the shiva sene does not want outsiders there. doesnt hinduism and indian culture say that guests must be treated extremely well. (guest is god or something like that, i dont rmbr). why do these jokers shoot themselves in the head and bring disrepute to all hindus? |
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| Sudhakara Kotian, UAE |
Feb 5, 2010 |
The delegation is scheduled to return Friday.
"Bon Voyage guys. HOPE YOU had a great time in Orissa watching the misery of poor people who have to live in fear and indignity"
Kokke budhdhi dayegye ireg???? |
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| Alfred J. Rebello, Dubai,, UAE |
Feb 5, 2010 |
minorities would have been history by now!! right? - Original Pai.
OPai, you mean to say considering the population of this plannet? |
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| Alfred J. Rebello, Dubai,, UAE |
Feb 5, 2010 |
One day ISLAM dominates the world.- Nasir, India.
Nasir, do not live on vested hopes But try to live on reality. God is one. Just for the argumkents sake, it is Christians who made Muslims rich by findng OIL in Muslim majority countries. What were they before? |
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| Putuur Dinesh, USA |
Feb 5, 2010 |
Naags
Sometimes you write like you own India. India belongs equally to you SRK, Tyampanna shetty and Rampa.
All including you have the equal right to speak your mind as long as it is within the legal framework. By calling SRK mother sellers(this is new)you are stooping to a new low level and are denying his rights to speech. What is the difference between hypocrite Tackrey and you?
Ultimately it is all about money, if we can make pakis lick our boots(chappals) for money we should do that. I think this is a golden opportunity for India. We should lure pakis into more and more ventures with India like IPL and other trade dealings. We should make them greedy and slaves of Indian money. It's like sleeping with the enemy.
Also you should copyright the word "mother seller" that's new man. |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Feb 5, 2010 |
Steve,
After reading your repeated attacks on 'RSS/VHP/ABVP/BD/Ram Sene', I am not sure who is the real hatenonger here!! It's quite clear that you are desperately trying to paint an 'anti-minority' image on some groups.
I have a very little or zero association/experience with ABVP/BD or Rama Sene. But I grew up with RSS and VHP. None of us, as far as I know, were taught to *hate* minorities. (Instead, we were taught to be proud Indians and confront anti-India propagandists!) Some of our best friends include muslims or Christians. In fact, I have a practicing christian at home.
Well, I honestly don't think you would understand any of these as you have been completely brainwahsed by your 'masters' to believe something imaginary which doesn't exist.
Think about it for a second - You can see RSS/VHP in almost every single town and village. They have a good, dedicated support base with enough resources and network. If they were truly such a bunch of hatemongers as you and other misguided propagandists have been projecting, minorities would have been history by now!! right?
Oh well - again, I don't think you will ever understand this unless you address your hatred towards other groups based on religion. |
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| D.P.Kumar, India |
Feb 5, 2010 |
"Why do you think, both congress and BJP are soft on getting back swiss money?"
It is a good question Alfred. BJP is keeping it on top agenda for the next general election after Ram Janma bhoomi temple construction..
Congress has not even started checking their balances. Madam has to nod first, but will she? |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Feb 4, 2010 |
“At the end of the day your identity is still Indian however much you hate it.” Shenoy maam to apologist Steve, Australia.
Dear Shenoy,
That’s precisely what I tell most of the self-hating Indians. It’s one thing to be critical of our country and all those broken/frustrating things we experience in our country. In fact, it is good/healthy thing to question/criticize. However, these self-hating groups, in their imaginary world, somehow identify themselves with some other folks/society and put down their own mother country and culture in every possible opportunity.
This reminds me of a documentary I saw 9-10 years ago on PBS. It was made by Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates Jr. (Yes, the same guy from controversial beer summit with Obama!!) Being an African American, he goes on a tour in African continent, trying to explore African heritage and its historical links with other civilizations. In one place (somewhere in East Africa), he meets a group that identifies itself with Arabs. In fact, they consider themselves superior to local people because they are ‘Arabs’. In reality, they are also native people but dressed in Arab attire with Muslim names. In the documentary, Professor asks them - “For an outsider, you guys are all Negros from Africa. What makes you think that you are different from rest of the folks in this town?”
Well, point is – We may have our little differences and disagreements. At the end of the day, our identity is still Indian. We may have different names, caste, jobs, gods or settled in different countries. For an outsider, we are just a ‘desi’. |
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| Steve, Australia |
Feb 4, 2010 |
"Do not attempt to ridicule the culture of the country you were born into" - Shenoy, another face of the Indian Culture ownership.
That's right. Aren't people on EYT tired of Shenoy's constant pontificating on culture that amounts to nothing more than "I know what is and what should be the Indian Culture. You don't".
This is the tagedy of taking ownership of something as undefinable as the Indian culture. Once people have taken ownership of a certain angle of the Indian Culture, everybody else is seen through the lens of the "pre-determined values".
After that, start judging others. Are they good enough to meet my preset values or do they belong to the "you do not belong here" category?
Thank you Shenoy. Your judgment style is devoid of any rational analysis.
Just for your information, no one "ridicules the culture they born into". They never ever do.
What they ridicule instead is the "predetermined value system" (labelled "Indian Culture") of RSS/VHP/ABVP/BD/Ram Sene. Such a value system is not funny anymore. It is outright dangerous. |
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| Thomas Dsouza, India |
Feb 4, 2010 |
"With cemetery land becoming scarce for burials it would be prudent for the church as well as the different christian denominations to encourage electric cremations, as is being permitted now in select cases. Where desired only the dead person's ashes may be deposited in niches/vaults as is being done in some of Mumbai churches "
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Dear Lobo,
We came from the dust and we shall go back to the dust-Genesis 3:19, Ecclesiastes 3:20 |
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| Steve, Australia |
Feb 4, 2010 |
Dear Kiran,
That is a very good story about the sadhu and the advice he gave to the people.
But such a sadhu is hardly invited by the majority in Mangalore whenever there is a Mahasabha.
Instead, we see repeatedly the hatemongers from the North like Togadia and Varun Gandhi (the guy who wanted the hands cut of a particular community) being invited. This community that invites the hatemongers from the north needs a sadhu, doesn't it Kiran?
But who will like a sadhu? People run to Nehru Maidan only when the speaker whips up the frenzy against other communities. For them Varun Gandhi is Indian, but the local Christians and Muslims are less so. That was the logic of Jan Sangh, and that is the logic of RSS. And here on EYT we have a couple of people who constantly create suspicion that Bangladeshis are there "with local support". Lesson in hatred take many forms.
A sadhu with a message like that will work wonders in Mangalore. A sadhu with a message like that will not encourage the RSS chelas to throw stones at the prayer houses and the orphanages run by other communities, that too at night.
A sadhu like that will also tell people that when Punjabis attack other Punjabis in Australia, it is not necessarily an attack by white Australians on Indians. Hence foolish for (some) Hindus in India to attack Christian prayer houses in India.
Instead of having a sadhu like that Kiran, RSS/VHP/ABVP/BD/Ram Sene preaches hatred by telling their chelas that Indian Culture is owned by them. Yes, no one else can claim to follow Indian Culture. The Indian Culture is owned and patented by the hatemongers of RSS/VHP/ABVP/BD/Ram Sene.
This Indian Culture preached by RSS/VHP/ABVP/BD/Ram Sene is a deliberate and malicious attempt to exclude Christians and Muslims from feeling Indian. This Indian Culture nonsense is created and perpetrated by the hatemongers to send one simple message "You do not belong here".
Some used the assaults in Australia to find one more reason to hate Christians in India. I wanted to point out that Indians are no saints. By the various reactions, it is clear that my message has gone across as loud as the "Indian Culture" from other groups.
And one more. http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/breaking-news/neurosurgeon-on-drug-death-charges/story-e6frf7kf-1225826844367
Now tell me. Isn't "Indian Culture" an amazingly complex beast and not just pure-and-innocent as promoted by you know who? |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Feb 4, 2010 |
hypocrisy of the self appointed custodians of Indian culture. -Tony
And what are you my dear Sir? Black man's friend and white man's slave? Do not attempt to ridicule the culture of the country you were born into.
That is nothing short of doing a Mir Saadak. Shame on you and Steve. |
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| Tony, USA |
Feb 4, 2010 |
| Steve is doing a great job in exposing the hypocrisy of the self appointed custodians of Indian culture. The self appointed custodians of Indian culture cringe when the dark side of Indian culture is brought to light. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Feb 4, 2010 |
but the time has come to start the campaign for a united India.-A S Mathew
Unity is not a joke. Ask TAMIL NADU PEOPLE if they accept Hindi as a ntional language. Hindi is spoken by 60% of the population and understood by 90%. Still people like Karunanidhi have a problem. Not the younger generation. They speak fluent Hindi and feel more patriotic rather than old bandicoots who cry down with Hindi. That is the biggest insult tolerated by the Cong I party in 1968. The late Kamaraj Nadar was one of the best politicinas who could not do any thing about it. The result? Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam is born and later split vertically into ADMK [AIADMK]. Between two DMK parties, national parties are kept out. So much for the national unity. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Feb 4, 2010 |
I think that most of what you have written earlier does not make any sense.-Kiran USA
He is an angry middle aged man like Amitabh Bachchan of seventies and eighties. Bahut gussa karta hai saab. May be he had a problem with some people. That does not mean that every one is like that. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Feb 4, 2010 |
Lazarus was the last man raised from the dead, but since then no recorded miracles taking place.
-Barkur maam
What is the big idea rising from the dead? The world is already overcrowded Sir. No voodoos please.
Talking about miracles, what do you consider as a miracle? Getting a citizen watch from nowhere, or getting Idli saambaar hot hot staright from PD'S fridge, plate and mictowave. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Feb 4, 2010 |
he cannot be the son-of-the-soil,-Nelson
May be he is a soiled son? |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Feb 4, 2010 |
young man said that the people in his prior city were all angry and hostile-Kiran''
Pss..t. Steve had problems in the gulf too. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Feb 4, 2010 |
mothersellers like SRK -Nagendra maam
He is just trying to promote his movie. He sounds so dishonest in that interview he gave in New York. |
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| Kiran, USA |
Feb 4, 2010 |
India's polticians are affected by a special disease "Keep the focus on some 'external' threats". Why would Krishna be different? Krishna releases a statement every couple of days on Pakistan and what the neighbouring country hasn't done.-- Steve
FYI, S.M.Krishna is the current Indian Minister for External Affairs and it is his job. |
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| Nelson Lewis, Bahrain |
Feb 4, 2010 |
Though I have not had the time to read the comments of one Steve, in detail, I wonder if he is an Australian (of Indian origin) or an Austalian of Anglo-Saxon stock. Definitely, he cannot be the son-of-the-soil, i.e. an Aborigine.
If he is an Australian (of Indian origin), then he is suffering from attitude problem. In that case, may Almighty God forgive him and give him wisdom to think with a clear (and not foggy) mind and rationally and logically. |
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| N.S.Shenoy, India |
Feb 4, 2010 |
Roshan,
These days burning of dead bodies is undertaken through Electricity. There is no burning of fire wood.
But the burial requires lot of land, more so in cities.; whether muslim or christian.
Hindu way of cremation does not affect the eco system. Cremation is preferable for environmental reasons. Burial is a known source of certain environmental contaminants, with the coffin itself being the major contaminant. Wood is being used for coffins; it also requires more space.!
Burian is losing its importance these days in the west. |
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| Kiran, USA |
Feb 4, 2010 |
Steve,
You have painstakingly listed out everything you find negative about Indian culture. Since you do not say more about (negative view of) Indian culture in your next post, we shall assume that you have now run out of negativeness about India and Indians. Wow !!! So, everything else is positive!!!! If we honestly count the positives we will never run out of positives.
I think that most of what you have written earlier does not make any sense. We have never heard of Mr. Joginder Singh. There are criminals from all countries, so your point does not hold any water. Moreover, anything adharma is not Indian culture -- perhaps, it is an Australian influence? you don't know and we don't know other than to speculate.
Your posts so far are very much indicative of what you see in others and are pretty much hate-mongering. Such people see hate and other negativeness wherever they look. Here is a story.
A king created a new city with lot of opportunities. So a lot of people migrated to this city. One such man migrating to this city visited a sadhu and asked him about the nature of people in this city. The sadhu asked him how were the people in the city he came from. The young man said that the people in his prior city were all angry and hostile. So the sadhu said you will find that the people in this city are all angry and hostile. Next another man came to the sadhu and asked him the same question. This young man said that the people in his prior city were very helpful and friendly. The sadhu said that you will find that this city is full of friendly and helpful people. |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Feb 4, 2010 |
Do you think we must invite Varun Gandhi to Mangalore to incite people against Muslims and Christians? - Steve steaming out hatred against Indians.
Varun Gandhi is an Indian, a fellow countryman and your brother and an Indian is very much free to move around in this country as much as those without Visa come and break havoc here or those illegal immigrants from Pakistan and Bangladesh who have made India their home and our fellow countrymen's ration as theirs.
Steve, those Punjabi cab drivers atleast have a job to do and still love their home country. You can give another thousand links but the fact will always remain that they are the most patriotic breed India has ever produced or will produce in future. Your people and property in India is safe if their team remains intact on border. Go check the Armed Forces and Indian Hockey Team where they uphold the Indian pride. How many NRIs like you if given a chance are ready to serve the army? Least you can do is to learn from the M.Com Team who are in abroad like you but are serving their people back home. Today, people like me who sit a few miles away from Mangalore are dependent on those who are sitting beyond seven seas for Mangalore related news!
Lay off buddy. For the Aussies, you are yet another 'Indian' how much ever Aussie or whatever you try to be. Your badmouthing against your own could also be yet another side of Indian culture. Ehhhh?
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| Arshad B., Qatar |
Feb 4, 2010 |
Dear Mr. Om Shetty,
You do not use the word they, only few Pakistani's are terrorist not all. Why are you not hinting the inner terrorist in white colour doing terrorism to their own nationals? Like Bajrang dal/VHP/ Rama Sena/Shiva Sena/RSS etc? They have free hand in India, they can distroy theaters, pelt stones at Mosque/Churches, give open challenge for Valentine day etc? Open your eye and judge yourself my dear Om Shetty. The bread were you earn is also a muslim country. Do you find any terrorism there? or injustice to other community? |
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| Alfred J. Rebello, Dubai,, UAE |
Feb 4, 2010 |
| I am of the opinion, Steve do not have any hatred on anybody but on those who try to be good samarithans but show hatred on others in the name of culture. |
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| Alfred J. Rebello, Dubai,, UAE |
Feb 4, 2010 |
| For blouses and bras, one need to take measurements. Otherwise again problem if they do not fit unless they are extendable! |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Feb 4, 2010 |
Beware of herbal supplements - commercially available in India. -V Prabhu
What about Tentex Forte, Spemen forte and of late Kaamaagra? Any views on the safety of those ayurvedic/herbal products? |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Feb 4, 2010 |
our Home Minister can make us all proud for the second time by visiting Islamabad within 18 months of mumbai massacre.-O Pai
He likes Vaangoli Biryani perhaps.Jokes apart, he may just have been directed by his supremo to do so.So he has no choice.He is not going to achieve any thing by visiting that God Forsaken land. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Feb 4, 2010 |
wonderful hate-mongering Indian Culture?-Steve Australia
I don't think Steve has realised that he is paying more attention to one group of Indians rather than looking at the larger picture. I am sure there are thousands of honorable and respectable Indians in Australia who make our country proud.Better to focus on the positives rather than some stray incidences. Let the ministry of foreign affairs deal with that issue. The High Comissioner has a job to do. It is not for any person to assume that he is the spokesperson of the entire community.Chill out Steve and focus on your job and family rather than some taxi driver and some student who may just be trying to make a living and caught in the web of discrimination in a foreign country.Do you feel insecure in Australia? Do you feel threatened that due to some stray incidences you will end up carrying the cross for all Indians?No way man.You are a drop in the ocean of NRI's who just try to make a living.At the end of the day your identity is still Indian however much you hate it. This hatred is evident in your posts.Come out clean Bob. |
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Feb 4, 2010 |
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| Steve, Australia |
Feb 4, 2010 |
And I couldn't resist adding one more to the ... what culture?
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/02/03/2809466.htm?site=westernvic
Horsham is one of the loveliest little places. Joginder Singh with his super-duper Indian Culture has made Horsham world-famous.
Just for the record, the girls are 11 and 12 years of age. A lot younger than Ruchika. The case is more than molestation.
Do you think we must invite Varun Gandhi to Mangalore to incite people against Muslims and Christians? I am sure the foulmouthed Varun will tell his eager fans, ABVP female brigade included, that large-scale conversions in India has made the Singhs so perverted?
Throw more stones on the prayer houses and orphanages. Who was the one on EYT who who found it funny when I said that Punjabis stare at the young teen girls? No sir! They do more.
Now, what more needs to be said about the wonderful hate-mongering Indian Culture? |
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| Tony, USA |
Feb 4, 2010 |
More from Christopher Dawson's "History and the Christian Revelation."
The conflict between the Church and the Roman Empire was not the last act in the world drama; it was but one chapter of a long history in which the opposition and tension between the two social principles represented by the Church and the World would repeat themselves successively in new forms. |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Feb 4, 2010 |
“Yesterday, like Original Pai, she turned around 180 degrees.” – Steve, Australia continues his talking points even after being totally exposed for his propaganda.
Dear Steve,
What ‘180 degrees’ exactly you are talking about here? Just curious to know how many more stories you can make up on this forum!
So....”Punjabis stare at their girlfriends. They hit back”, uh? Awwww...those poor teenagers and their cute girl friends. What a simplistic take on the issue!! You seem to know it all!! Great! After all, Australians can’t be wrong, can they? How can our ‘masters’ be ever wrong? It has to be the ‘Indian’ culture as you rightly pointed out. Smiles...
More on self-hating Indians in my next post... |
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| Tony, USA |
Feb 4, 2010 |
Praying the rosary never hurts. Christopher Dawson wrote an essay called "History and the Christian Revelation" in which he shows the real meaning of history is "entirely different from that which the human actors in the historical drama themselves believed or intend. For example to a contemporary "scientific" historian the rise of the world empires in the Near East from the 8th to the 6th centuries BC would have seem the only historical reality. He could not have imagined that 2,000 years later all this drama of world history would be rememberd in so far as it affected the spiritual forturnes of one of the smallest and least materially civilized of the subject peoples. And in the same way what contemporary observer could have imagined that the execution of an obscure Jewish religious leader in the first century of the Roman Empire would affect the lives and thoughts of millions who never heard the names of the great statesmen and generals of the age?
To the ordinary educated man looking out on the world in AD 33 the execution of Sejanus must have appeared much more important than the crufixion of Jesus, and the attempts of the Government to solve the economic crisis by a policy of free credit to producers must have seemed far more promising than the doings of the obscure group of Jewish fanatics in an upper chamber at Jerusalem. Nevertheless there is no doubt today which was the most important and which availed most to alter the lot of humanity. All that Roman world with its power and wealth and culture and corruption sank into blood and ruin-the flood came and destroyed them all-but the other world, the world of apostles and martyrs, the inheritance of the poor, survived the downfall of ancient civilizations and became the spiritual foundation of a new order."
Behind the rational sequence of political and economic cause and effect, hidden spiritual forces are at work which confer on events a wholly new significance. |
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| Steve, Australia |
Feb 3, 2010 |
"Krishna who seems to concerned about Indians in Australia needs to pay attention to his home state." Puttur Dinesh is not averse to the Indian Culture now.
India's polticians are affected by a special disease "Keep the focus on some 'external' threats". Why would Krishna be different? Krishna releases a statement every couple of days on Pakistan and what the neighbouring country hasn't done. That is the easiest escape for any politician. He (or she) does not have to do a thing. Just keep the focus on someone else.
Krishna is now busy blaming Australia. Australia has no problems with Indians. Individuals of all backgrounds and colours, like anywhere else in the world, are concerned about their future. Concerned about their security. Concerned about their jobs. Some teenagers get mad when these Punjabis stare at their girlfriends. They hit back. India screams "Racism!".
The students are supposed to come here for study, and are allowed to work for 20 hours per week. Among the Punjabis, most students are married. On an average the students are 25 to 40 years old. So much love for an Australian hair-dressing and cookery course.
Both husband and wife make the most of their single student visa by working as much as possible. One person I have come across has been working for 50 hours a week. A student's visa works wonders for the economy of Punjab. They want the Indian garrment to put pressure on the Australian garrment so that they can get even more benefits. Krishna perhaps is hoping that the Australian garrment will appoint five policeman per shift for every single student visa. That would be 15 policemen per day per student visa.
The Indian High Commissioner said a few days ago that she did not believe there are any problems specific to Indians. Yesterday, like Original Pai, she turned around 180 degrees. Now she declares that the Victorian garrment and police are in denial and doing nothing to catch the perpetrators. But they caught the man who was busy trying to swindle the insurance company?
Send the Punjabi mess back to the farms of Punjab! There will be some peace here to the Australians of all backgrounds.
Thanks for the suggestions Puttur Dinesh. I must write a letter to Brumby to care two hoots to Krishna. Brumby does not know Krishna's (and other Indian politicians') permanent disease. "Keep the focus on external problems" and do nothing about their responsibilities in India.
More on Indian Culture in my next post. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Feb 3, 2010 |
too bad my face wasnt so clear.-Nausheen
You mean the face lost some sheen? |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Feb 3, 2010 |
People like Shenoy, Yediyurappa and Acharya, SM krishna understand the gravity of the situation only when they read the news on NY times or Ozzy times.
-Puttur Dinesh
I don't know about Dr Acharya, Yeddi and Krishna. But I read m.com, Udayavani and deccan Herald. I have no real interest in Chicago tribune, LA times, New York Times, USA today etc. Talking about Chicago Tribune, do you remember that serial where the hero gets the morning paper the previous night itself? |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Feb 3, 2010 |
The worlds first murder was commited by Profet Adam's son killing his brother -Jameel
You mean one was Shia and the other was Sunni? Kind of funny.
PS: Why do suicide bombers are seen mainly in certain countries?
Ans: Lack of self worth. They have never experienced happiness or joy in their country. So they go about destroying other's happiness. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Feb 3, 2010 |
But a country like Saudi Arabia is not the venue. - P D
I like your great sense of humor P D. Keep it up.
PS: Saudi Arabia is not a good venue even for a transit for that matter. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Feb 3, 2010 |
Please have enough cameras everywhere to record any kind of police of sangh brutality against peaceful protests.
-P D
You forgot to ask the people to upload the videos on you tube P D. Do you think any one will come out and take risk? You must be joking. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Feb 3, 2010 |
He is a corrupt thug to the core. -Joe
May be we can say he is a corrupt Joe, just to be polite. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Feb 3, 2010 |
Krishna who seems to concerned about Indians in Australia needs to pay attention to his home state.
-Puttur Dinesh maam sounding frustrated
S M Krishna is the cabinet rank minister for foreign affairs. He will be focussing on overseas issues including N R I interests. Any problems of NRI population have to be addressed through the embassy to him. He won't have time for small time politics like controlling some local thug. It is for the police to check that. S M Krishna is doing well to keep an eye on the Aussie sitauation. No wonder Aussies sound cross. Good job Krishna. We are proud of you. As far as Yeddy and Dr Acharya are concerned, wait till 14th to make any judgement. If some local goons misbehabe, police should act. What do you say? |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Feb 3, 2010 |
The "Testimonials" or the Lawyers from the Sangha Parivar were pounding questions on Islam and Quran and posing themselves as if they are Masters on Quran and Islam.-Dr Haneef Bhatkal
Lawyers have a job to do and they play dirty at times to get what theey want. In the process they can make the witness feel ashamed. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Feb 3, 2010 |
nice time watching Garba and Dandiya.-Nagendra maam
What comes first? Daandiya or Garbha? |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Feb 3, 2010 |
,cut their nose or slit their lips without fear-S Suvarna
Wow! Reminded me of Shoorpanakhi's story. |
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| Tony, USA |
Feb 3, 2010 |
| Thanks for giving the insider's perspective. |
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| Puttur Dinesh, USA |
Feb 3, 2010 |
Steve
I think there is no point in preaching to the choir. Write your opinions on the ozzy news paper. Inform ozzies about the church attacks, attacks on girls and valenties day plans by Ranm sena. Krishna who seems to concerned about Indians in Australia needs to pay attention to his home state.
People like Shenoy, Yediyurappa and Acharya, SM krishna understand the gravity of the situation only when they read the news on NY times or Ozzy times.
I think you and I can surely help the new get out. |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Feb 3, 2010 |
If you are interested in Kashmiri Pandits, why don't you join the Indian Fratrnity Forum and discuss whatever issue you want? - Abdul Rahman
Abdual Rahman,
Thanks for clarification. My doubt about IFF is now clear. It is ONE SIDED.
And don't you worry on my joining. The day I am relieved from this Corporate cobweb, I will be there. Be ready with bouquet. |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Feb 3, 2010 |
I have seen what actually happens during/after the Dandiya – once in Bombay and the other in the heart of Modi’land – Vadodara/Baroda in 2005 - Chris Rego
N S Shenoy's attempted outswinging full length delivery to get Chris caught at first slip has been negated by Chris who has been standing 2 feet outside the crease to negotiate the same and has succeeded in driving it through the covers for four with fielders reduced to mere spectators and bowler standing with hands on hips with head down and sweat dropping like water due to the extra effort in bending that shoulder to generate pace!
Chris Rego, you are 100% right in what you said. Private detectives are employed by rich parents to keep a watch on their boys and girls. In 2009, there were very less Dandiya Raas in Pune due to Swine Flu scare and as a result, the sales of condoms decreased!! I have watched a full 30-minute exclusive on Zee News, sometime in 2007, where there were shocking scenes of girls and boys inside their lavish cars parked on highways!
But I hope you had a nice time watching Garba and Dandiya. It is nice to watch, not only for obvious reasons but also otherwise. |
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| Kudpi Rajanikanth Shenoy, India |
Feb 3, 2010 |
About Lagori: Lagori is an interesting outdoor game which we used to play during our school days
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Thanks for the info on rules of the game, Austin. During my childhood, I have enjoyed three games played using clay tablets. Lagori, Jibli and Bachche, though we used to play bachche sometimes with thicker and heavier cement cakes.
Bachche is the game where bidder places raw cashews in a distance and the challenger has to knock them off within 3 attempts. Once he knocks them off, they are all his. This is as far as I could remember. May be others know better than me on this in EYT. :-)
We used to roast the knocked off cashews in Bathroom dikkel, peel the charred skin and eat the toasted kernel ! |
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| Steve, Australia |
Feb 3, 2010 |
"trust me, every society has dedicated set of people who want to protect their borders, language and culture" - Original Pai is certain about what I know and what I don't about USA.
Dear Original Pai,
I trust you. Indeed there are "dedicated set of people who want to" do all the things you mentioned. And a lot of other things which I can't type here. Not that I am not dedicated enough not to want to type, but the Webmaster may not be dedicated enough to post everything I type. Because the readers will find my post too offensive.
Therein lies the quandary.
Just as there are serial killers who are "dedicated set of people who want to" kill a few, the dedicated set without the mandate of the Government are extremely dangerous to the society.
Like the RSS. The ABVP females preaching the Indian Culture. The Bihari who became the Prime Minister with the help of a Mangalorean Catholic. And the ill-cultured Varun. The crook Bihari changed his tune quickly though. "Yeh achchi baath nahin hai". Suddenly he became a saint.
Tell me this. Why do the RSS chelas throw stones on the innocents at night? Who with some courage ever throws stones at an orphanage? I suppose that is the Indian Culture the ABVP females are referring to.
More on the Indian Culture in my next post. |
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| N.S.Shenoy, India |
Feb 3, 2010 |
Do I believe in celebrating Val's Day and stand for it? Personally, St. Val’s day, my birthday, Independence Day, New Years Day……… they are all the same. Same old crap with new packaging on a new day – that’s all!-Chris Rego
Nicely reacted. Dandiya Ras I do'nt know. But Tiwari with a great grand daughter I saw the photo in TV. Do you suggest that all follow Tiwaris and Mohan Kumars?
Why call for trouble is what I suggest. Can't love be expressed at home, in private?
In the cities people seem to be having less time. So they show their love wherever, with whoever at any place!
But at present, in our Mangalore and surrounding areas people can aford loving in private and at home. I know, you are from Mangalorean culture and educational background. You can't go to the western extremes of living styles so easily.
Yet, Two hoots or three a day, its good for your health!! |
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Feb 3, 2010 |
You refer to western dictionaries than the meaning of what has been expressed by Puthila. Do you justify and stand for Valentines day? If it is just a matter of argument, test it at home and come out with honourable truth. If it is just a matter of argument, test it at home and come out with honourable truth. - N. S. Shenoy
Bro, that sounded almost like a threat and something tells me that you are a great fan of our own Pink Chaddi Panther aka Muthalik and a great believer in his agenda! But that is your prerogative.
The article was in English and hence, it is only obvious that the word “bondage” was given it’s proper due in the lingo!
Do I believe in celebrating Val's Day and stand for it? Personally, St. Val’s day, my birthday, Independence Day, New Years Day……… they are all the same. Same old crap with new packaging on a new day – that’s all!
Hanky panky goes on everywhere be it on St. Val’s Day or Disco Dandiya Day! Trust me; I have seen what actually happens during/after the Dandiya – once in Bombay and the other in the heart of Modi’land – Vadodara/Baroda in 2005. However, I don’t preside from the Judgment seat and pass verdict like Pink Panther does.
I believe in the philosophy of “live and let live”. I’m no messiah and no redeemer. I don’t take too kindly to Pink Panthers primates telling me what I should do and what I shouldn’t! Two hoots to the much vaunted “Indian Culture”. N. D. Tiwari has shown us the way, eh? Take a breather, mate. |
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| N.S.Shenoy, India |
Feb 3, 2010 |
Valentines Day
And, it is not only for lovers, but also for fathers and mothers, wife's, brothers and sisters, and daughters.- Thomas
I appreciate your views.
But why someone expresses his love only on one day in a year?
Is love to be shown in pubs and public? Is it not very personal?
I cannot understand why people try to follow or justify such things from west so fast ?
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| Puttur Dinesh, USA |
Feb 3, 2010 |
Shenoy do you think your SRS buddies would allow the girls to live in peace if they had filed a complain?
Be real Shenoy, the state's home minister who has surrendered even before the battle, it's every man for himself situation.
You tube is the way to go. "Shoot with your camera not with your gun" |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Feb 2, 2010 |
Dear Nelson Lewis,
Thanks for the recommendation. I've already looked up the book in Amazon. If everything goes fine, I should be getting it in a week or so.
Thank you again! |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Feb 2, 2010 |
“Being in the minority right now would have made you a changed person. Look at the difference in your postings in two years!” – Steve, Australia tries his ‘tricks’ once again!!
Hi Steve,
Guess what? I have got more ‘news’ for ya….smiles!!
I have been a minority for 15 years now! And...my views on majority/ minorities haven’t changed much.
Majority and powerful always have to protect the vulnerable ones. This is common sense.
Question for you – Why do you keep going back to your old trick of distorting / misquoting what I wrote even after I exposed your mistakes? This reminds me of the propaganda “lifting people out of poverty” by some organized groups when they have enough poverty in their own backyard!! I’ve a suggestion for you – Please stop it. It’s a bad habit that doesn’t take you anywhere! Smiles...
“The minorities in US do not have to be cry babies.” – Shows your lack of understanding once again. You have no idea how ‘sensitive’ minorities (religious, racial) are over here. May be, you should start reading news more often.
Finally RSS and other custodians of native culture? Oh well – trust me, every society has dedicated set of people who want to protect their ‘borders, language and culture’. Perhaps, you should listen to the ‘talk radio’ and certain political factions over here to understand what I mean. Instead, you are picking only on RSS – It shows how ‘fair and balanced’ you are.
More on ‘self-hating’ Indians in my net post... |
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| Steve, Australia |
Feb 2, 2010 |
Thank you Tony for showing one more great example of the Indian Culture.
The wife of this Singh is a student. I hear that she has been doing a hair-dressing course. The Visa allows her to bring the spouse. The child (an infant really) is left behind in India. So that the student and her husband can chase after the great Australian dream.
The wife struggles to speak English. The police have arranged an interpreter for the husband. Maybe once the wife's course was finished, both were planning to join the fruit-picking mafia.
Punjabis save big on rent (by 4-5 student couples living in the same flat). The Ram Sene might end up thinking that some heera-feri (warmer than the Valentine's day, wink, wink) is going on at these Punjabi flats. I will leave that to your imagination.
The students and their husbands still need to buy their food, pay for their mobiles which are permanently stuck to their ears, pay for their utilities. They also need to buy a car.
The car. The devil-box that helps one move faster than the God-given legs would allow. Also the contraption that helps you earn big money. How? Simple really. There are enterprising chaps - yes, from our own backyard - who buy the wrecks written off by the insurance companies, do a couple of days panel beating, a bit of welding to bring together the front of one car to the rear of another, a quick paint job. Voila, your magic super-duper car is ready for a prospective student. Better than an Ambassador Mark IV. $3,500.
You need the car to earn more money. You need more money to get the car. Ah! The tail-chasing dog's life of the modern world!
But the hair-dressing student or her husband has no money. The banks don't lend to them. No problems. There are sharks - from the same community - who will give them the money at 20% interest. It all adds up. Insure the car for 11,000. Now come up with a never-before-tried plan to turn the car into a write-off and get 11,000. Insurance company pays. Super-quick way to make 7,500.
I am sure it has worked for other students' husbands. But this student's husband was, well, not exactly very smart, was he? He bought the materials for his super-duper job just the previous day. Did not have a good story. Giving it a racist tag did not help either (other than bringing a few Punjabi-run hair-dressing schools to the attention of the Australian "garrment").
More on the Indian Culture in my next post. |
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| Austin Prabhu, USA |
Feb 2, 2010 |
Dear Raj, this is what I found while surfing Internet:
Lagori (sometimes written Lagoori) is a team sport originally from Karnataka. Two teams share a ground (no limit) and one of the team's member throw ball at a pile of stone and disassemble them. Now the opponent should hit as many as possible other team members with the ball while they try to arrange stone pile back. If the ball touches the member he is out and team should continue without him. But a team member can always safeguard himself by touching.
About Lagori: Lagori is an interesting outdoor game which we used to play during our school days. It's a team game involving two teams - seeker & hitter. Team size depends on the availability of the players, varying from as low as 3 to sometimes 15-16 members per team. To play Lagori, we need a soft rubber ball or a tennis ball and 7 to 11 flat stones placed one above the other, with bigger stone at the bottom and smaller at the top and an open space for the players to run-around.
Stack of stones is placed in center. Members of Seeker team gets three chances each to unstack the stones by hitting them using the ball. If one fails, next member comes in and gets his chance. When all the members of Seeker team fail to hit the stones, the role changes. The real fun starts when someone from Seeker team scatters the stones. At that point, goal of Seeker team is to pile up all those stones before Hitter team hits any of the Seeker team member by the ball. And goal of Hitter team is vese verse, they need to hit one member of the opposite team before stones get pailed up. The team whoever achives the goal will get a point and game continues again by hitting the stack. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Feb 2, 2010 |
I was shocked to see the name of only one University from India -Alphonso
Would you tell us which is that university which was recognised? Is it Madras University? |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Feb 2, 2010 |
You conclude that attacks did not take place!
-Amjad
Really? Did he say that? I am surprised. I do not think that is what is contained in the report. It takes two hands to clap. That is what he was trying to point out. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Feb 2, 2010 |
MAHATMA was opposed to cow slaughter also.- K Rao
Cong I politicians have selective amnesia for sure. Mr Fernandes may not be well versed in history by the way. He is a simple man with simple thinking. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Feb 2, 2010 |
Azharuddin was patronized by Pakistanis -Palaksh
Azharuddin is one of the best batsmen India has produced. HE WAS ALSO A GREAT FIELDER. However he lost all that credit due to his involvement in that scandal. It is a pity that his career ended that way. The least he could do is not to raise his voice on controversial issues like this. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Feb 2, 2010 |
Try my dear Sri Rama Sene, -Suman
Suman, don't take chances. Make sure that you don't take out any girl on that day. Don't tempt the people who are ready for action. If you still want to do it, do it at your own risk. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Feb 2, 2010 |
I am sorry if I have offended you. I did not mean to do so.
-Nelson Lewis
No problems Mr Lewis.No offence was taken. |
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| Tiger Tony, USA |
Feb 2, 2010 |
Burned Indian man 'faked attack'
AN Indian man who said he was set alight by assailants near his Melbourne home last month accidentally burned himself while torching his car for an insurance claim, police allege.
Jaspreet Singh, 29, of Grice Crescent, Essendon, in the city's north, faced an out-of-sessions hearing early today before a bail justice at St Kilda Road police complex charged with making a false report to police and criminal damage with a view to gaining a financial advantage.
The case gained international headlines among a series of attacks by white Australians on Indian nationals in Melbourne.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/breaking-news/burned-indian-man-faked-attack/story-e6frf7jx-1225826163204 |
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| N.S.Shenoy, India |
Feb 2, 2010 |
" But I have a doubt, is that “India” includes J & K as well. " Hemanth
Your doubt is correct. J& K are doled out by his great grand father to Pakistan!!!
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| N.S.Shenoy, India |
Feb 2, 2010 |
Chris Rego,
You refer to western dictionaries than the meaning of what has been expressed by Puthila.
Do you justify and stand for Valentines day?
If it is just a matter of argument, test it at home and come out with honourable truth. |
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| N.S.Shenoy, India |
Feb 2, 2010 |
It is the Christian population of the whole country. The 2%. "- Steve, Australia
Dear Steve, from 2.5 percent of christian population, someone brought it down to 2.3 percent last year and now you are reducing it to 2 percent..
At this rate, if christian population falls, there will not be any Christians by the year 2025 in India !!!
Please comment on actuals or above figures. |
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| Nelson Lewis, Bahrain |
Feb 2, 2010 |
Dear Mr. Shenoy R.,
Well, I was a bit confused. However, I cannot confuse you with Mr. Alfred J. Rebello, because you have your own style and he has his own unique style.
Now, with plethora of Mr. Shenoys around, I did get a bit confused.
I am sorry if I have offended you. I did not mean to do so.
Regards,
Nelson Lewis |
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| Ravi, Australia |
Feb 2, 2010 |
Bharath,
That is the forked tongue of these hatemongers. I have never celebrated Valentines day and never will but why impose something on others.
See all the sene members dressed in American clothes, Jeans and shirts what is that culture.
Now Yeddy wants to promote Valentines day. One should believe him and go on and celebrate. I recall that Yeddy himself opposed valentines day last year.
What a shame that he is taunted by his own MLA at Gulburga, I dont think the BJP wants to surface to power in the south again, If they have not sorted their party together, how can they rule a state.
Are they any different to other political parties? they seem to be even worse. |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Feb 2, 2010 |
| Shenoy Ram... Oops.. I mean Shenoy Mam, may be if you and O R Pai had kept your smiles and not frowned, your identity hacker would have lost the thrill of his victory over you both. |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Feb 2, 2010 |
Why have RSS people taken up the entire ownership of Indian Culture? Why the ABVP females recently in Mangalore harping on Indian Culture as if they are the sole custodians of Indian Culture? - Steve
Steve,
Did RSS or ABVP ever deny you from propagating Indian culture? May be you don't want to do it, you are not doing it. What's your problem if RSS does it?
RSS kaayam rahein. RSS kaayam rahega. |
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| Steve, Australia |
Feb 2, 2010 |
"As in any open, democratic society, majority has the responsibility to make minorities feel safe and comfortable. Because, we all know what happens when majority is not accountable and it is not pretty" - Original Pai with newfound truths.
Original Pai,
When did you wake up to the shortcomings of the majority? When you were in India, or when you became a minority, in USA?
Is it not amazing the tricks our mind plays on us? When we are in the majority, we want the minorities to stop behaving differently, and fall in line. When minorities try to maintain their uniqueness for whatever reason, we tell them that they do not belong to India.
If they all belonged to India, why do we need RSS? Why have RSS people taken up the entire ownership of Indian Culture? Why the ABVP females recently in Mangalore harping on Indian Culture as if they are the sole custodians of Indian Culture? Who gave them the right?
Indian Culture belongs to all Indians. Whether one belongs to the majority or the minorities. Do you disagree? You may not. Being in the minority right now would have made you a changed person. Look at the difference in your postings in two years! A full 180 degree turn around. Take that as a compliment.
The minorities in US do not have to be cry babies. They enjoy full civil rights. The minorities in India end up being cry babies. RSS ensures they are treated as foreigners in their own land. They try to bring Varun Gandhi to convince themselves.
More on Indian Culture in my next post. |
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| Steve, Australia |
Feb 2, 2010 |
Dear N S Shenoy,
Christian population is certainly above 2% in Mangalore.
But those that try to corner the Christians bring in the ill-educated north Indians who have no concept of what Christians are and what good they have done to Mangalore.
Years ago such an ill-educated north Indian, a Bihari was brought to Udupi, to whip the locals up to a frenzy of Christian hating. He eventually became a Prime Minister with the help of a Christian from Mangalore. The Bihari Atal has just done what Varun appears to be doing today.
What exactly was the reason to request the presence of the foulmouthed Varun in Mangalore? Why was he needed? He was needed because the majority wanted to hear how conversions are destroying the country. Would you not agree? They wanted to hear from the foulmouth of Varun how they can learn to hate Christians (and Muslims) more.
Varun did not turn up. If he did, and if things had gone a little out of control, the BJP would have been whipped too badly. Fortunately for all, that did not happen. Believe it or not, there were a few people watching the events a little closely - from afar.
When Varun comes to Mangalore, or other hate-mongers from the majority come to Mangalore, it is not the Christian population of Mangalore that matters (at least to them). It is the Christian population of the whole country. The 2%.
More on Indian Culture in the next post. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Feb 2, 2010 |
Can I assume you are Mr. Shenoy, who sometime ago went around as Mr. Shen or a different one?
-Nelson Lewis
You can not mistake me in any other name Sir.Even if I put my name as Alfred Rebello, you will be able to say that this can not be Alfie maam.' Yeh Alfred maam nahin ho sakta'.
Coming back to the issue of identity on the forum, you may remember that some miscreant on this forum had the habit of using my identity and posting his/her views. That person refused to budge. He/she/it went on to do the same when I changed to Shen.There should be a mechanism to protect the identity of contribuitors in this forum. Perhaps it is a tedious process. In any case the point at discussion is more important than the identity of the post.
Thanks for your views on the issue of indiscretions of people at high posts. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Feb 2, 2010 |
If I am not mistaken, Amitab was the brand Ambassador of UP state and or SP party.-Alfie maam
Yes Sir. You are mistaken. He never had that role of brand ambassador of UP or any state. He is not affiliated to any political party. His wife Jaya Bhaduri is a member of SP. Amitabh was a Cong I MP from 1984 Nov to mid 1986 whrn he resigned from the parliament citing difficulties to continue functioning amongst ruthless politicinas around him. As you would remember Cong I had 410 MP strength then.
Modi is trying to promote Gujarat. So he has appointed Amit saab. What is the problem? If Gujarat had shares and if it enters share market tomorrow, it will be over subscribed within an hour of opening in the market.That is the reality. Political considerations are totally different to business. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Feb 2, 2010 |
It is high time, science, mathematics etc are taught in Madrasas along with theology.
- D P
You need teachers who are willing to teach in special situations. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Feb 2, 2010 |
At death bed, if a man is offered a glass of water, is he going to ask whether the water is sterile/safe or what all harmful chemicals or beneficial nutrients it contains?- Barkur
I think the analogy here is flawed. The article purported to show the controversies surrounding the genetically modified food.Some of the fears may be genuine some may just be phobias or panic reaction.
Coming back to death bed, the man on the death bed may not ask any thing except to hold onto the hands of his beloved wife and children.Do you agree or not? |
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| D.P.Kumar, India |
Feb 2, 2010 |
Union Minister of State for Agriculture K V Thomas may not be aware that our Prime Minister is an economist himself!
When sugar prices rose so fast, he should have planned pushing prices down by imports though not release from buffer stocks.
In the case of rice and wheat also they manipulated prices last year by emptying the FCI godowns keeping elections in mind. Now that there is no urgency to mitigate people's plight MMS is playing Nero!
Sharad Pawar is making hay while prices go up with his family personal stakes in Commodity market and satta bazar!
To import while there is shortage in internal production of sugar, he laments world shortage! Fooling whom?
MMS and Ahluvalia are mum.
Mr.Thomas also must know that what center releases to Kerala state is not sufficient for the State Government to curb price rise despite having market network to keep prices under control.
In Kerala petrol and deisel prices are lower than Karnataka due to cutting of sales tax.
Unlike Kerala, we have weak infrastructure in Karnataka for PDS.
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| Alfred J. Rebello, Dubai,, UAE |
Feb 2, 2010 |
However, they want "haan jees". - Nelson.
Nelson, why do you think you, me and Shenoy not in politics? |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Feb 2, 2010 |
"You mean to say you are a cry baby in USA? That also being an Original?" - Alfred J Rebello.
There is an old kannada song - "NaguvuDo...aLuvuDoo...Neeve hELi.." That's how i feel when I read some of your responses. :)
Alright..so...If I say I am a cry baby in USA...would it make you happy? Whatever makes you happy so we can move on...!! :) |
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| Orignal R.Pai, USA |
Feb 2, 2010 |
Hey Steve,
Guess what ? I have got some new for you....smiles.
When I wrote about aborigines ...mmmm....two years ago, I was talking about forceful cultural domination and social engineering in the name of modernity!! I quoted aborigines as an example in the hands of colonial forces...dictating them what to eat, how to dress, what God to worship, what language to speak etc.
So, here is my suggestion – try to read the context before you ‘cut and paste’ words next time. Moreover trying to put words in my mouth (??) is rather hilarious and sad. When did I say “whites are very very bad, aborigines are very very good.” ??? <> I’m sure you can do better next time.
Anyway – that’s not the main topic.
I was saying how minorities are cry babies all over the world. By the way, minorities include Hindus living abroad too. (Hope it makes you feel little better now!) Let me make a small correction – YES, Minorities ARE cry babies …but only in democratic countries. Because, they stand no chance in places like Afghanistan, Pakistan or Saudi Arabia!! However, democratic societies such as US, India, Europe, Australia, provide plenty of channels to be very vocal. It could be demanding more religious accommodations, asking for more rights, being overly sensitive about the perceived / real threat etc. This also includes organized attempt to exploit the political equations based on ‘vote bank’. When this is the situation everywhere, I don’t see why you keep bringing up ‘Indian culture’ !! Are you talking about the culture of self-hating Indians??
As I said, I am not saying that it (cry baby mindset) is necessarily a bad thing (though it could result in backlash if misused). As in any open, democratic society, majority has the responsibility to make minorities feel safe and comfortable. Because, we all know what happens when majority is not accountable and it is not pretty. |
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| D.P.Kumar, India |
Feb 2, 2010 |
Educate your women, don't let kids drop out of school, teach them patriotism and help build the country. -Puttur Dinesh to Saudi neo forces demanding rights in India.
PD, the other day I was reading an article in the Deccan Herald tittled -Modernisation of madrasas crucial for Muslims’ progress - By Firoz Bakht Ahmed.
He has pointed out the reasons for disparity and socio-economic problems amongst Muslims in India.
The deadlock over a government proposal to modernise madrasas, or traditional Islamic schools, illustrates how a ‘minority mindset’ imposed by the ulema (clergy) and politicians could draw Muslims deeper into the morass of conservatism, poverty and unemployment.
Reforms in education are a must for the community as Muslims are seen with a begging bowl, languishing in their ghettoized slums with their literacy rates plummeting (41.27 per cent against the national literacy rate of 63.07 per cent). Muslim women have just 21.66 per cent literacy rate as against the 40.54 per cent amongst the non-Muslim women according to surveys carried out by Friends for Education.
Not more than two per cent Muslims are in government jobs. Of the 479 judges at the all India level, only 30 are Muslims that makes it just 6.26 per cent. In the IAS, Muslim percentage is a mere 2.27 per cent. Of the 3,284 IPS officers, just 120 are Muslims — just 3.65 per cent.
Many madrasas find the teaching of modern subjects such as science and mathematics alongside the Quran too much of a dichotomy.
The madrasa managements do not want accepting the government grant fearing losing their autonomy and also their oil-dipped Arab grant which might not be pocketed by them if the government comes forward.
Two distinct classes are created within muslims-one, with college education and the other (majority) with only theological studies.Indian Muslims are kept in thrall to clerics and ill educated youths whose militancy has done little to free Muslims from the begging bowl.
It is high time, science, mathematics etc are taught in Madrasas along with theology.
It is a social problem. We cannot blame the government for not giving jobs proportionate to their population. It is their own creation and the solution lies in the hands of that community. |
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| Nelson Lewis, Bahrain |
Feb 2, 2010 |
Mr. Shenoy R.,
From your name, I am totally confused as to which Mr. Shenoy you are? This is for the simple reason, there are many Shenoys on this website. Can I assume you are Mr. Shenoy, who sometime ago went around as Mr. Shen or a different one?
However, all said and done, you are perfectly right that Indian politicians do not want the incumbents being appointed for the position of President or Vice President to be personalities who have impeccable records and credentials, but they prefer political flunkeys.
I agree with you that they should have given Mr. A.P.J. Kalam a second term. What was wrong with that? I consider him to be the best President India ever had, followed by Dr. S. Radhakrishnan.
However, they want "haan jees". Take the present person who is sitting in the chair. Surf on the Internet, you will get plethora of information about her, which is hard to digest and unpalatable. The Congress Party, with all their talk of righteousness and other sanctimonious bullshit, prefer such people.
Even though she is on the chair and if she, as the Head of the State, and Mr. Kalam, as a common citizen were to go to some foreign country at the same time, people continue to clamour after him. To cite an example, take their last visit to South America. Her visit was a total fiasco, whereas people were running after Mr. Kalam.
There is also a story about relatives of the present President visiting the Rashtrapati Bhavan that I heard from the grapevine. Because the security guards did not salute them, they were transferred from Rashtrapati Bhavan. Does the protocol or rules call upon the security guards saluting her relatives making personal calls or being her personal guests? This is preposterous. |
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| N.S.Shenoy, Indonesia |
Feb 2, 2010 |
"Just imagine this. Christians are 2%. A large number among the majority keeps harping on conversions, as justifications to throw stones at Christian institutions at night..@Steve from Australia to Original Pai at USA
Steve, departing from the fact that Christianity ranks top amongst all religions in the world or Australia, I would also deviate from that 2 percent you speak of on sad events in Mangalore.
Please telll me what is the christian population of DK district or atleast that of Mangalore? What is the percentage? Is it 2 percent as you write?
In my view the Christian population is sizeable enough to take care of such situations by securing the prayer houses by their youth wing around from miscreants. |
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| Shareef Moideen, Mangalore/Jeddah, Saudi Arabia |
Feb 1, 2010 |
Shenoy,
No single party in India is capable to form government on its own, they need allies to get magical figure. BJP even forgot their principles and policies in Jharkhand by supporting Shibu Shoren like other political party. In Karnataka, Yeddi cabinet has tainted ministries like Congress and there is no women minister in his cabinet and Yeddi is not capable to take his own decision unless it is decided by the committee formed by BJP high command. This is congress culture and Indian politics in unpredictable. There is no permanent friends and foe in politics and bickering is in its peak, people elect the representatives to serve them instead these representatives serve their families and amass wealth for their next generation. There are even people like Jaswant Singh and Sudhir Kulkarni rejected the principles and policies of BJP. |
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| Alfred J. Rebello, Dubai,, UAE |
Feb 1, 2010 |
minorities are cry babies. They are overly sensitive to everything. They get offended by almost everything. - Original Pai.
You mean to say you are a cry baby in USA? That also being an Original?
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| Steve, Australia |
Feb 1, 2010 |
Dear Original Pai,
I did a search in EYT on the word 'Minority'.
Guess what I found! The following sentence.
"Same thing with aborigins or any other native folks. Unfortunaltely, they, being minority, are always at the receiving end!".
In the writer's mind, whites are very very bad, aborigines are very very good.
And now, the same person should do a 180 degree turn around and say,
"Whether it is in India, Australia or USA - minorities are cry babies. They are overly sensitive to everything. They get offended by almost everything.
That's how world works. Majority always has the added responsibility of ensuring safety for minorities - Be it in Australia, India or USA."
I am absolutely stunned.
How did the writer manage to change the view so drastically?
Is it because the writer found the term "Indian culture" rather hard to swallow?
Just imagine this. Christians are 2%. A large number among the majority keeps harping on conversions, as justifications to throw stones at Christian institutions at night. The majority can build temples of any size. But the moment Muslims build a good mosque in place of an old demolished one, the majority can't swallow it.
More on Indian culture in my next post. |
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| Tanya, USA |
Feb 1, 2010 |
"Whether it is in India, Australia or USA - minorities are cry babies. They are overly sensitive to everything. They get offended by almost everything."
R.Pai USA,
You are absolutely wrong Sir! What makes you think that only minorities are cry babies???
Cry babies are found even in Majorities. Please check your five fingers...
I don’t think I need to explain this to any knowledgeable person ;-)) Please don’t generalize!! |
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| Puttur Dinesh, USA |
Feb 1, 2010 |
Robin
I disagree with you on the treatment of H1B visa holders, unless you have fake H1B the broder partol/immigration agents are supposed to be respectful. If you have evidence of maltreatment get the name of the officer and forward it to concerned department.
They are supposed to treat every one equal irrespective of their immigration status. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Feb 1, 2010 |
At the end of the day BJP is suffering, without Shivsena in Maharashtra -S M
It may appear so on the surface. However B J P has done the right thing to stay away from Shiv Sena in this issue of North Indians and Mumbaikars.
B J P will benefit immensely from this move in North India where it had lost some base. All the parties should boycott Shiv Sena. It should find its own natural end soon. |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Feb 1, 2010 |
Steve,
You are making good points on the over reaction by Indians to the recent attacks in Australia. But, you are wrong in characterizing it as 'Indian cultute'. Actually - it's known as 'minority culture'. Whether it is in India, Australia or USA - minorities are cry babies. They are overly sensitive to everything. They get offended by almost everything.
That's how world works. Majority always has the added responsibility of ensuring safety for minorities - Be it in Australia, India or USA. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Feb 1, 2010 |
Now the city looks like a ghost town.
-A S Mathew
Have we not read this post Mathew saab?What is the point in reiterating the same view again? Reminded me of that dentist joke 'what a big cavity'! |
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| Tiger Tony, USA |
Feb 1, 2010 |
Indians are now abusing the student visa system in Britain.
According to immigration consultants in India, unscrupulous immigration agents in India had exploited weaknesses in the new system dramatically to increase the number of unqualified candidates applying for student visas. The agents then try to double the number of immigrants by arranging fake "court marriages" for successful applicants.
Indian newspapers have reported a surge in matrimonial advertisements in local newspapers in Ludhiana and Jalandhar, two major cities in Punjab which have traditionally been major emigration centres to Britain, Australia, the United States and Canada.
One advertisement in the Punjabi Daily Ajeet on January 22 highlighted the fraud: "Only court marriage. Seeking alliance for a 24- year-old boy. The girl must have cleared IELTS [International English Language Testing System]. All expenses will be borne by the boy's family." Agents yesterday told The Daily Telegraph some families were paying fees of up to £10,000 for their sons and daughters to "marry" those with British student visas. As the marriage is a civil contract it is regarded as a paper arrangement rather than a solemn religious commitment.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/7129053/Sham-marriage-adverts-behind-surge-in-visa-applications-from-India.html |
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| Nelson Lewis, Bahrain |
Feb 1, 2010 |
Dear Mr. R. Pai,
I have just read a marvellous book, namely 48 HOURS TO HAMMELBURG about Gen. George Patton's attempt to send a force of 300 men backed with tanks and armoured personnel carriers about 60 miles into German territory on a secret mission to attack a POW camp housing Americans and Serbians.
Ultimately, the real cause of this raid ordered by Gen. Patton was to rescue his son-in-law, a Lieutenant Colonel, who had been captured in North Africa and taken to various POW camps.
This is an interesting book. The book I read was printed in 1970. The author is Charles Whiting.
Regards,
Nelson Lewis |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Feb 1, 2010 |
Austin Maam,
National Flag is most abused during Cricket matches. Not only the audience but also the Cricketers abuse it by wearing them on shoulders, dropping during victory lap, folding etc. Such acts surprisingly attract various Padma and Arjuna awards! |
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| Alfred J. Rebello, Dubai,, UAE |
Feb 1, 2010 |
More on the Indian Culture later - Steve.
Steve, shall I expect something better? Or as usual, we talk about Indian culture without knowing what is the true culture. |
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| Alfred J. Rebello, Dubai,, UAE |
Feb 1, 2010 |
Then, how can there be any peace on earth? Aren't we all hypocrites? - Placid Gregory.
Placid, seeing the current scenario, I doubt there will be any peace on earth. Peace will be achieved only when one party listens. Here nobody. Though many says, it is going to be a fight between religions, which I will not agree for a simple reason, there are good as well as bad people in every religion. And therefore, if at all there will be a fight, which I am sure, the fight will be, between good people and bad people. In other words, between God and Satan. Yes, we all know God is the supreme power but Satan will not accept it. He wants to prove he is above than God and therefore he will fight till the last drop. However, God is the winner in the end. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Jan 31, 2010 |
'former PM' of this country was erratically ranting -Govindaraj Prabhu
Gowda was received with all the honours. That boosted Gowda's ego. In addition, he was looked after well with some respect in front of the farmers. Yeddy knows how to manipulate. J D S is a fragmented party with no real clout. Gowda knows it too well. He is hoping that his family will be eventually rehabilitated by the Cong I. Cong I is being careful with Gowda as they have seen his colurs before. So Gowda has no choice but to go to the same C M with whom he had problems and with whom he used bad words like B Maga etc. There are no permanent friends and enemies in politics. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Jan 31, 2010 |
Insisting that attaining power is not the mission of the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), then why BJP is a political party and why it has to contest the elections?- S M
B J P has tasted defeat in the last elections. So they are reorganising themselves. The message is' work for the people and don't be after power' which is another way of delivering the Bhagavad Gita message of 'KARMANYEVAADHIKAARASTHAY MAA PHALESHU KADAACHANA'. Fruits of the labour shall follow. So if they work for the people, the people may like them to be the rulers. That's what it means and not what you have tried to say. B J P is not trying to woo the non believers in its principles and policies. If they accept it the way Anwar Manippady and Mumtaz Hussain have accepted, they will be accepted into the party with all the due respects and recognition.In other words, B J P is like Hinduism itself. They won't try to convert unlike Cong I. Of late it lost some image due to operation Kamala in Karnataka. They were desperate to cling onto power in Karnataka because it is the only South Indian state where they have some base. They are hoping to make in roads into Andhra. I don't think they will succeed any time in Tamil Nadu and Kerala. The states where B J P has presence is Madhya Pradesh, Rajastan, Himachal Pradesh, Delhi, Uttar Pradesh, Bihar, Gujarat, Maharashtra, Chattisghad, Karnataka, Orissa and Goa. They have no presence in the North East, West Bengal, Kerala and Tamil Nadu. Even Jammu and Kashmir has some presence of B J P. B J P still will need allies to come to power. Congress I is the only party in India capable of coming to power on its own because it has presence in all the states in India.
Think about it and let me know your points. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Jan 31, 2010 |
Dear Sister Fatima
Shame on you.-Md IQBAL
Is it some thing like Muhn mein Ram Ram, bagal mein choori? |
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| Nelson Lewis, Bahrain |
Jan 31, 2010 |
Narendra Modi is a minature version of Stalin or Hitler. This man has no sense of decency and scruples and he has blood on his hands. Sadly, he has not been booked. Modi has done everything to transfer efficient I.P.S. Officers and reward his flunkies like P.C. Pande, tamper with evidence, threaten witnesses and has done many undesirable things.
About the price rise, he wanted to write in Italian. I wonder if he knows Italian, because his spoken and written English is deplorable at best and I wonder if this many knows any other languages, other than Gujarati and Hindi.
Modi could write to her in Gujarati, because this is the language he is conversant with and her staff will translate it for her in a jiffy.
When I.P.S. Officer, Mr. Hemant Karkare was killed on 26/11/2008, Modi rushed and tried to get a mileage by offering his widow, Mrs. Kavita Karkare, one crore rupees. But Mrs. Karkare showed that she is a lady with sterling qualities and declined the offer from this Nero. This must have been a snub to this undesirable character.
When Mr. Karkare was alive, Modi and others were criticising him, instead of praising him for doing a good job in exposing the terrorism racket. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Jan 31, 2010 |
Whoever goes with Amar Singh is ruining their political career. -Rajan
I don't think so. SP will be vertically split. One group will go with Cong I and the other? You guessed it. BJP.It is good for the health of political system which is too fragmented currently. Polarisation and two party system is the need of the times. Right now it is two coalition system rather than two party. No wonder Mamata Banerjea tries to screw the government time and again.
PS:I avoided mentioning Man Mohanji for obvious reasons.:) |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Jan 31, 2010 |
If it is really tasty, I will pay for it.-ALfie maam
Kaale ullaithavo tummi.? Are you saying that you will pay only of tastes good? Thank God you did not say the same about some other things. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Jan 31, 2010 |
The Shiradi ghat road is still not developed by your BJP govt-Suman
Shiradi Ghat road is National Highway 48 Suman. I hope you do remember that National Highways are maintained by the central government. Your favourite Cong I is responsible for this and not BJP. Check your facts and then comment later. OK? |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Jan 31, 2010 |
Suman John Sequeria,
From when did State Government take in-charge of NATIONAL HIGHWAY? As if during Congress regime, Shirady Ghat was like Mumbai-Puna expressway. Get your facts right and comment later. |
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| Alfred J. Rebello, Dubai,, UAE |
Jan 31, 2010 |
| Can someone deliver me a Tuppa Dosa? I will taste it and put my comments on tasting it. If it is really tasty, I will pay for it. I heard too much of Tuppa Dosa. |
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| shaikh Mohd rizwan, Turkey |
Jan 31, 2010 |
Dear brother Kumar D.P.,
Do not ask a question for a question.Me and you are not the part of Home ministry of Karnataka.
If I will be the Home minister of Karnataka with free hand to serve, I will not be lenient on any religion or personality.For me duty is first, obedience,courage and discipline follows the next.I will try to upgrade the infrastructure from the revenue of the department and off course with additional budget from state and centre.I will judge on the efficiency of individuals rather than numbers.
But for Home ministry of Karnataka who now the culprits do not like to act.
Hope you get the answer.
Jai Hind
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| SHENOY R, India |
Jan 31, 2010 |
RSS to protect north Indians in Maharashtra
Jabalpur, Jan 31 (PTI)
Taking the Shiv Sena and the MNS head-on, RSS on Sunday said that it has asked its volunteers to protect north Indians in Maharashtra and prevent spread of anti-Hindi feelings. -Deccan Herald news
Very good.Ab aayegaa khek ka mazaa. Kahaan hai Thackray?
Seriously though, RSS needs to be supported in its mission by the central government. It is av ery important patriotic organisation much misunderstood for its intentions.Cong I has always used the minority phobia of RSS as its election weapon forgetting the fact that RSS was chiefly responsible for its massive size of victory in the mid term elections of 1980.Earlier the Cong realises the usefulness of the RSS in a positive approach to nation building, better for it.
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| SHENOY R, India |
Jan 31, 2010 |
If the BJP fails to return to power in the next Lok Sabha elections, the party would be once for all finished. -Rajan
I don't think so. Coming to power is important. But that is not the only criteria for a party to be relevant.Don't forget that in 1984, BJP got only 2 seats in the Lok Sabha. Even Advaniji and Vajpayeeji lost.You can not write off BJP simply like that.Do not be judgemental about Gadkar's looks. He needs time to meet all the party people first. He needs to be reassured by them that they will join 'hands' with him. With that, he can do the bigger task of meeting people and joining 'hands' with the people.Even before the great Kurukshetra war, both sides met with various kings first to consolidate their army. Yeh ran bhoomi hai. Yahaan yudh honewaala hai. |
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| Placid Gregory, Mangalore , India |
Jan 31, 2010 |
Yea, terrorism has no religion - my foot says Original R.Pai.
The way people are killed nowadays, it is to be rightly assumed that religion is the root cause for all the happenings in this world. People pray day and night praising the Almighty saying 'OH' you are merciful', but do not show the slightest mercy to their fellow human beings when it comes to religion. People everytime say 'peace be upon him' but, filled with hatred in their heart. Then, how can there be any peace on earth? Aren't we all hypocrites? |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Jan 31, 2010 |
I won't be surprised if they contribuite regular hafta to the big brother in Karachi as well - Shenoy
Shenoy Maam,
Taggele haathu hangele boDaari natlari Bollywood chalna. If SRK movies have to click in Middle East and Pakistan, Big Brother has to show mercy. When industrialists in India were handcuffed with tighter credit during recession, Bollywood did not show any signs of it. Award ceremonies, stage shows, IPL went on smoothly without the constraint of Vitamin M.
SRKs movie 'My Name is Khan' is getting released on February 12th. So good publicity in Pakistan by speaking in their favour. He is also in good terms with Shoaib Akthar and Shahid Afridi of Pakistan Team who are normally hotcakes for such tournaments. Janaab ke PATHAANI tevar kaisa laga Shenoy? |
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| Praveen Pinto, India |
Jan 31, 2010 |
Mr Mathew, you may hate Modi. There are millions who like him. -Mr Shenoy
Mr Shenoy,in the Mahabaratha, Duryodhan too was an able ruler.Prosperity or governance was never the criteria for the battle.It was a battle over principles.Yes,Duryodhan too had his supporters. Even Lord krishna gave his army but he chose to stay with those with principles.
What I am implying is, history will not judge Modi for his governance but for his principles or lack of it. |
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| Alfred J. Rebello, Dubai,, UAE |
Jan 31, 2010 |
Topi does not look good on Oscar maam's attic. - Shenoy R.
Therefore he doesn't wear TOPI perhaps because he may be knowing the truth of those who wears them. Topi'g others. |
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| DONY LOBO, Doha, Qatar |
Jan 31, 2010 |
“Mr. Lobo has perhaps missed on the greatest of them all, Rampanna of Rajkamal”……Praveen Pinto, India:
Dear Praveen Saab,
You are certainly not wrong that Rajkamal also made a great impact when it opened sometime in mid sixties. And even they used to make Tuppa Dosa’s of great quality and some exceptionally tasty traditional non-veg and fish dishes. However, Inasam (late Ignatious Pereira) opened his hotel around 1940s, and maintained the great quality of his dishes till his demise. I even remember during my schooling days, in the early sixties, while returning from the Balanjaneya Gymnasium, lots of other Gym. mates from various communities (some body builders and some weightlifters), used to make a beeline to his hotel for the tasty beef curry the type of which I have never tasted again anywhere.
May be the Taj Mahal of Car Street and Mohini Vilas are two other unforgettable hotels of those years. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Jan 30, 2010 |
it will bring Bombay into
chaos and dilapidation-A S Mathew
Yes. Remember the anti Madrasi stance of Thackray in the sixties? [Munnani get out he said] |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Jan 30, 2010 |
Both started their 'terrorism has no religion' crap immediately after mumbai attacks. -O R Pai
Huttu guna swamy, suttaroo hogadu. I won't be surprised if they contribuite regular hafta to the big brother in Karachi as well. Nahin toh----gabbar aayegaa. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Jan 30, 2010 |
Lalit Modi is following BHEDA of Saama, Daana, Bheda, DanDa :)-Nagendra maam
Lalit Modi has used the bheda which caused bhedi in Pakistan whose dandas and samaans became dandu as they did not receive any daana this time around.Overall they became cabbage. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Jan 30, 2010 |
Dr. MMS should have contested the Lok Sabha polls this time. It would have been a test for himself to know where he stands in the minds of the people. -Nagendra maam
Technically right. But practically it is not necesaary to do so, as he can always get elected from Rajya Sabha. Besides that he is the face for the ruling party. The strings are pulled by the lady. |
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| Dr. O. P. Sudrania, India |
Jan 30, 2010 |
About IPL and Pakistan players, I think the reason is more of security than the players as such. You know the attack on Sri Lanka players in Pakistan lately, that when Sri Lanka is a friendly country of Pakistan. Even doubts were casted against India for that episode too. God forbid, if some similar mishap takes place with Pakistani players, I am sure, it will be the next point for gory and hoarse Pakistani propaganda. India will have no excuse to save her face. The point is security without doubt.
Dr. O. P. Sudrania |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Jan 30, 2010 |
One fine morning you are asked to leave the land - the reason? You are from a different religion - Kavitha Shetty
Kavitha Shetty,
Not only religion but also for POWER. Power was the flavour even those days. For the same Power, our country was divided. But now there is no point crying over spilled milk. The departed part is now a cancer and it needs to be diagnosed appropriately. It needs the same treatment as given to the body parts during gangrene. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Jan 30, 2010 |
The unhappiness created by partition will continue to bleed us as people-K Shetty
Good point there.I would call it a failure too.The Muslims who chose to stay back in India were really the wise ones. They knew what they had in store if they went to the other side. |
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| Alfred J. Rebello, Dubai,, UAE |
Jan 30, 2010 |
You are from a different religion. This is so supremely stupid. - Kavitha Shetty.
As far as I know little from history, Jinnah offered two choices to MK Gandhi, Partition or Civil war. MK Gandhi perhaps took the decision with the best of all at that time. Instead of facing civil war, it is better to part and live in peace. But it is not happening, of course no fault from Indians but by those who chose to part. But remember, it is not because of only religion because you can find all religions in India as well as in Pakistan.
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| SHENOY R, India |
Jan 30, 2010 |
WORK, SLEEP and SHOP is all they know. -Nagendra maam
There was a song'Oota Nidre' by Usha Uthup. It was a satire on Bangaloreans.Bangaloreans like to eat and sleep. It does not of course mean that every Bangalorean is like that. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Jan 30, 2010 |
Yeddy should be beware of Eshwarappa. The State BJP leadership may be only a temporary post. -Rajan
Good political observation. Eshwarappa is not very fond of Yeddy. It is no secret.However, Yeddy will find friends some where else. Politics is a funny game.It is remaining in power by any means. No one is an exception for that rule.At the end of the day you need support of 113 MLA's. That's all. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Jan 30, 2010 |
'SALE' and 50% discount-Alfie maam
WE hear in DK 'Malegaalada mahonnata maaraata or kadithada maaraata'.
Sale in the USA is genuine where you get big bargains.However, it is better to remember that nothing is really free.Even when they put items on sale, they make profits. No one has come to business to do charity.They have to make a living too.I see that you have raised a point where you believe that restaurants are making huge profits. Some may. But not every one.Maintaining the staff is not easy. Maintaining the quality of food, decor of the place, cleanliness all takes efforts and investment.If it takes 50 paise to make one idli, they can not sell it for 60 paise.Obviously it has to be much higher to get returns.For the customer, it is convinient to order food, eat it and pay the bills.There are private guest caterings in bigger cities.In Mumbai many people get their lunch through dabbawaalas which itself is a big business.
I agree with you however that some over priced restaurants may not be worth a second visit. I particularly like restaurants which are clean, quiet and with good decor and ambience where the waiters are polite, the quality of food and drinks is of good standard, where they don't recycle previous day's vegetable as bonda next day.It is worth while listening to the waiters who will tell you 'tein nakka mamma' when you order some items. They know that it is not upto the mark or from recycled food.It is safer to order made to order items like masala dosa which is made after you order it. Similarly, in many Bangalore restaurants, poori is fried after you place the order.I remember ordering raagi maalt in one of the restaurants in Karwar where I had to overnight on the way back from Goa many years ago.It tasted awful unlike the one I used to drink at Usha Kiran in Car street. My brother told me that order the item which commonly is ordered; such as coffee or tea.This is true especially when you go to a new place.One restaurant I would like to mention here is the restaurant owned by Ram Naik in Matunga railway station in Mumbai. The quality of the food was very good.The mango juice was very tasty. In Mumbai they always give you Srikhand made from cottage cheese. It goes well with poori or roti.I have visited the Vishwa Mahal restaurant in Mulund. I heard the owner passed away recently.That restaurant was good those days. [late seventies]Mumbai people are accustomed to high quality of restaurant food. Similarly Bangalore.I have also visited a restaurant in Mysore. It was called Bhuvaneshwari if I remember right. They had piping hot idlis and sambaar.R R restaurant in Bangalore again was one of my favourites for Andhra style meals. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Jan 30, 2010 |
Sirf tumhare se kyon?-Alfie maam
Teekh hai. Alfie maam se dosti karoge?:) |
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| Praveen Pinto, India |
Jan 30, 2010 |
perhaps the greatest of them all the legendary Inasam's Hotel- Mr Dony Lobo on the golden days of mangalore.
Mr. Lobo has perhaps missed on the greatest of them all, Rampanna of Rajkamal.Rampanna was well known for his unlimited meals with fine for wasting, much before the jokes were started on him. |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Jan 30, 2010 |
Alfred Rebello and Nelson Lewis,
When there is bargaining power, no one likes to give it up easily.
We buy Nike and Reebok paying a minimum 2-3K or even more. We do not bargain in their showrooms. But to get our sandals stitched, we will bargain with the cobbler. If he says Rs. 23, we ask him to work for Rs. 15 and if he says Rs. 15, we ask him to work for Rs. 5!!
We bargain in fish market and pay Rs. 20-30 less or take 2 extra fishes. But we pay minimum Rs. 300-400 at times for mere 4 prawns or one pomfrete in Hotels.
Ashok S,
New Taj Mahal Cafe is a Pvt. Ltd. concern and also has got more than 50 odd employees. So they have PF, Gratuity etc. If employees are paid on an average Rs. 6,000/-, from where will they find accommodation? You and me will not let out our house for rent at subsidized price, if someone earns less or has got a big family to take care of or unmarried sisters. Moreover, most waiters and cleaners come from small villages outside Mangalore and they have to send money to their dependents. If they pay for decent accommodation, what will they send to their families?
40 in a single room in your own hometown with you own people is better than 100 in a single room in a different country with strangers.
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I see here in Bangalore, young employees sleeping in the bus while commuting to office. Everybody here is fond of only one thing. SLEEPING. Some sleep in their office dormitory. Some sleep in 4 installments. At home, from home to office in bus, in office and office to home in bus again. Saturdays and Sundays, youngsters get up at 12 noon or 1PM. Most of them do not have hobbies. WORK, SLEEP and SHOP is all they know. Specially bachelors and spinsters. Don't take me wrong, but if you are in Bangalore, check out the obese teenagers. Ask them when was the last they played their favourite sport, or spoke to school friends or met relatives. Most people from North and East go home only once in 1.5-2 years. So many weddings, family get-togethers, reunions, good times have been missed.
Whom to blame here? |
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| Alfred J. Rebello, Dubai,, UAE |
Jan 30, 2010 |
I could not understand what respected Alfred J Rebello wanted to convey. I shall b thankful if he can explain.= NS.
NS, do you remember when BJP won the elections, what they did? They met Christian priests and offered security to all. And you know what happened after that. Security is only for those who broke the security. Do you remember what our state home minister recently said on protecting minority religious places? Would he said that if somebody ransacked a temple? |
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| Alfred J. Rebello, Dubai,, UAE |
Jan 30, 2010 |
Mujse dosti karoge? - Shenoy maam to Joice.
Sirf tumhare se kyon? |
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| Alfred J. Rebello, Dubai,, UAE |
Jan 30, 2010 |
if anything happen for a christian in India, it will be a world news...........then why not this issue. - Kumar.
Kumar, you mean to say whatever happens to us, Christians, we should hide and keep quite? Will you do the same?
In the latest incidence, an Indian killed an Indian in Australian soil and it has been made public, to know who is behind the murder. Otherwise we would have thought an Australian killed him and on racism. Is it wrong? |
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| Alfred J. Rebello, Dubai,, UAE |
Jan 30, 2010 |
From that day I stopped going to that restaurant - Nelson.
Nelson, this is nothing but to become rich on the cost of others. Recently there were one or two new resaurants opened by mangaloreans in Dubai and evreybody praised. But for me untill someone does honest business, meaning quality food with affordable price, I will not praise. Most of the people do business to make more money and get rich and rich. I have seen prices have been escalated 10 folds giving excuse the commodity prices have increased. But commodity prices remain more or less and if at all increased, it is marginable. If commodity prices increase by 1%, then food prices increased by 10%. Again, as you said, they do not treat their workers properly. Yes, they do take some risk. |
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| Alfred J. Rebello,Dubai,, UAE |
Jan 30, 2010 |
Hey Alfred, This is an old email stuff - Joyce.
Joyce, but for me it is new.
Shenoy, one need not need 'ears' but eyes and a clear mind:). |
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| Alfred J. Rebello, Dubai,, UAE |
Jan 30, 2010 |
The one and the only beneficiary of Church incidence is Congress. Using this as issue they blackmail the government and also consolidate Christian votes. - fathima
You mean to say BJP indirectly helping CONGRESS by attacking Churches? If yes, then we can also help BJP by attacking temples, no? But, we did not do that. We left it to his almighty for the decision. As I said before, Though I do not bother much about religions, but I do bother someone attacking a religious place be it any. It is the place we communicate better with his almighty, with truthfull prayers. Yes, for many it has become to fullfill the weekly obligation and it is a different issue.
Here I repeat an incidence, which I already told. We had gone to shopping in a shop, which announced 'SALE' and 50% discount. There was a guy, who had been to other shops, found the prices had been escalaed and even on discount they are similar to other shops where there is NO discount. When, he questioned the genuinity of the sale price, the shopkeeper said, 'Bhagwan sirf Mandir me hotha hai, Edher Dhanadha hai'. Of course, I do not know which faith he belongs to. |
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| Placid Gregory, Mangalore, India |
Jan 30, 2010 |
If at least 50% of what is quoted is followed by everyone, our life would be worth living for.
A million Thanks to you for the message.
God Bless You - Placid Gregory |
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| Myron, USA |
Jan 30, 2010 |
........fifth avenue...
From all my experience all I can say is that whichever sauce you prefer...I can relate in a modest way an economy to an analog watch and agriculture is the key which drives all activities including advanced technological development; analog watch coz we all have historical background. This notion holds good with any economy.
First, we need to oil the machinery and take it farther.
With regard to happiness.....the journey is endless and I prefer trains to planes. |
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| Puttur Dinesh, USA |
Jan 30, 2010 |
Steve
Seems like you are being too hard on Indian culture stuff, every country issues travel advisories, if you look at US dept of State there are a dozen countries on the travel advisory list.
I think MEA is doing a better job at informing its citizens.
Your own Austrian governmnet has a travel advisory on India.
http://www.smartraveller.gov.au/zw-cgi/view/Advice/India |
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| Kiran, USA |
Jan 30, 2010 |
".......Taj & Oberio Hotels and VT railway station were attacked by so called terrorist......"
So called? We need to be Indian or humanitarian at heart first. I remember reading that Mumbai Muslims refused burial grounds for those terrorists from Pakistan. Do you have any doubts that they were terrorists? |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Jan 29, 2010 |
Yet, they seem to be hibernating!
-Mr Shenoy
No daa. They are busy counting paper or swiping plastic. That is not when they are weighing gold or cutting diamond. By the way did you know that it takes a diamond to cut a diamond? |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Jan 29, 2010 |
r u having war with Alfred here....Joyce
War? That too with Alfie maam? No way. Alfie maam's expressions are unique and make me smile after a busy day. In fact I have no war with any one in this forum or any one outside either. All are my friends. Mujse dosti karoge? |
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| Ashok S, UAE |
Jan 29, 2010 |
A small correction...
It was not a PIA plane brought down by Abu Nidal group near Abu Dhabi. It was Gulf Air. 1983. |
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| Ashok S, UAE |
Jan 29, 2010 |
Mahmoud al-Mabhouh, a very high-ranking Hamas man, was assassinated in Dubai yesterday.
The Emirati shurtah knows, before a flight lands, which of the arrivals from that part of the world belong to the unsavoury variety. Such guests receive a most severe confession-eliciting-treatment before being bundled back. The question is, who provides the information on these unsavoury characters?
By sheer coincidence, I have met a couple of such characters who were bundled back.
It is an amazing world of cloak and dagger.
The good part though is that anyone that preaches hatred is watched with hawk's eyes by both who claim to be friends and who claim to be foes. Hatred-preachers create insecurity in friends and foes alike.
"We all know that we belong to the religion of peace. But we are looking of People of Peace, silly!"
Anyone remembers how Abu Nidal brought down a PIA plain in the Emirati desert? |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Jan 29, 2010 |
Also increasing air traffic from mangalore to gulf countries should be thought by allowing private airlines to operate on international routes-Shahab
You said what I believe is the way to go. Open Mangalore to the whole world via Gulf. Let Emirates, Qatar airlines, Etihaad come to Mangalore. We can avoid Mumbai and Bengalooru. That will also reduce the traffic in those air ports. |
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| Joyce Nanet Andrade, India |
Jan 29, 2010 |
Hmmmmmm Shenoy....
r u having war with Alfred here....
All the best |
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| Kudpi Rajanikanth Shenoy, India |
Jan 29, 2010 |
That was in Gandhi Bazaar area. [NAGASANDRA ROAD] I am not sure if such a system is still there
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Quite some trip down the memory lane, Shenoy Maam!
Yes. There was Sharada Maayi's mess on DVG Road near Gandhi Bazaar where I used to have my lunch or dinner for some time. Food was good, homely and like you said, many girls(PGs) nilkifying at the guests and some of them even got married to the unassuming(I just love that usage!)eye catchers bhurkifying their daalithoi or licking the last remains of vaala biye humman!
Those were the days, Shenoy Maam! |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Jan 29, 2010 |
Hey Alfred, This is an old email stuff -Joyce
I liked the way Joyce casually boxed Alfie maam's ears. |
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| Lancy, India |
Jan 29, 2010 |
We all knw the truth ... no one has to tell me about wht BJP is doing ... -Michel bolthoi
Yes Michel. Congresse done it. So.... what is that in your opinion? |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Jan 29, 2010 |
Anything we undermines our integrity and security should not be comprised-Shahab
Perfect words. I like this sentence very much. Reminded me of the late Abdul Hameed who won Param Veera Chakra posthumously. May his noble soul rest in peace. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Jan 29, 2010 |
Next time you have a coffee at the Taj Mahal, Hampankatta, spare a thought for the employees-Ashok
Taj Mahal always had problems with the employees. On the other hand I have seen no such problems in Diana Udupi where the employees looked happy. Customers also can be friendly with the staff and consider giving some tips for good service. I remember the staff at Kamat group of hotels in Bangalore who used to be very polite and friendly. Most of the waiters in Kamat hotels as well as many other restaurants were quite polite and helpful. If you wanted a particualr dish in excahnge of a thing you don't like, you can ask for it. They would bring it and won't bother even to take the other one for exchange. Those days I had meals card at Kamat. I lost it on route no 14 which was notorious for pick pockets those days. I had used only 3 meals out of 30. I reported it to the manager. He just told me, 'mamma sagle card kharchu zalle koodle saanga. Tedna nave card ghevyetha. Teddolu varaan card nakka'. I thanked him as it was a substantial amount for me those days. If I remember right a card used to cost Rs45/ per month. I have very positive memories of restaurants in Bangalore especially. I know some of my friends used to visit a house for dinner/lunch. [paying guest system]That was one GSB lady who used to prepare homely dishes. I never went there. [Full of DK girls] That was in Gandhi Bazaar area. [NAGASANDRA ROAD] I am not sure if such a system is still there. |
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| David Dcosta, India |
Jan 29, 2010 |
Will write to Sonia on price rise in Italian’ -Narendra Modi
The congress has no reason to be upset. Modi has been bitten by globalization and trying to bring back door
globalization in Gujarat. I think he is impresed by Italian inflation rate of 1.1 pct against Indian inflation rate of 7.3 pct. This is compliment to Sonia. |
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| Joyce Nanet Andrade, India |
Jan 29, 2010 |
| Hey Alfred, This is an old email stuff but really worth reading. How tru to the fact of modern times dat v r so engorssed in accumulating materailistic wealth dat v forget abot so many other values and things dat give us joy for free. Beautiful stuff. Keep postingwch6 |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Jan 29, 2010 |
was known as Mumbai`s 'one-man demolition army'
Thanks for the link Sir. Interesting reading. Brave man I must say. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Jan 29, 2010 |
please offer "name" for this (love jihad!!!) -P D
Soumya Vivah?
Arya Samaj is a great organisation. One of my friends got married there more than 20 years ago. Obviously both sides oppossed. But the couple were firm. They still are.
PS:How about 'Marali Matru Dharmakke'? |
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| Nelson Lewis, Bahrain |
Jan 29, 2010 |
But the same Taj Mahal, Hampankatta, was a ruthless employer. Perhaps still is - Mr. Ashok S.
Thank you for expressing your views. If an employer is not taking care of his employees, short-changing and cheating them, then we should not patronise such people.
There was a guy, who was having a small job in one of the hotels. Thereafter, he managed to quit the job, take over a cafeteria and transform it into a Udupi restaurant, which I felt was running reasonably well - though the quality of dishes was good for a few years, but deteriorated later.
I used to go there to have some snacks and, at times, to have meals alongwith my friends. Thereafter, I learnt from the grapevine that this man was not paying his employees salaries for months and not making proper settlement of employees who quit in frustration.
One day, I happened to meet one of the waiters and enquired if his salaries were paid in time. He confirmed to me that what I had come to know is true and this man would keep their salaries pending for months. From that day I stopped going to that restaurant for the simple reason that he is buying provisions and ingredients on credit, however the customers pay him ready cash. Therefore, I did not see any problem for him to pay his employees in time. |
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| N.S.Shenoy, India |
Jan 29, 2010 |
George,
you never bothered when money waqs received,
you sold our integrity when it needed to be kept sacred,
George, Govindraj from Canada does't know what your party workers die,
nor you bothered to open your eyes at the facts.
George U r great and the money flows through the unknown hands! |
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| N.S.Shenoy, India |
Jan 29, 2010 |
"This is like in one hand offer a rose and the other hand coffer a knife."Alfred J Rebello on BJP
I could not understand what respected Alfred J Rebello wanted to convey. I shall b thankful if he can explain. |
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| D.P.Kumar, India |
Jan 29, 2010 |
What other name can we give Love Jihad?
Moodbidre: Shaheedabanu (22) of Ontikatte here, who was missing since two days, appeared before the police station here on Thursday along with one Ganesh of the same village.
The couple told the police that they got married at the Aryasamaja in Mangalore.
The police perused the wedding documents and let the couple go.
Shaheedabanu, daughter of a certain Sulaiman and her neighbor Ganesh, son of a certain Bhoja Devadiga, were in love since three years. The family of Shaheedabanu was opposed to their marriage.
The pair had disappeared two days ago. Sulaiman had lodged a complaint with the police about his daughter’s missing.
The couple had got married at Arya Samaja on January 27 and registered the marriage with the Sub Registrar office in Mangalore.
Shaheedabanu changed her name as Soumya after the marriage.
My dear EYTians, please offer "name" for this (love jihad!!!) or Wish the couple a very happy and long married life.
D.P.Kumar |
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| Alfred J. Rebello, Dubai, UAE |
Jan 29, 2010 |
Following I recieved by e-mail. Please read it. It is beautiful.
A Beautiful message from George Carlin - How True
This is a master piece. If you have not read it take the time to read it now. If you have read it take time to read it again!
GEORGE CARLIN (His wife recently died...)
Isn't it amazing that George Carlin - comedian of the 70's and 80's - could write something so very eloquent...and so very appropriate.
A Message by George Carlin:
The paradox of our time in history is that we have taller buildings but shorter tempers, wider Freeways, but narrower viewpoints. We spend more, but have less, we buy more, but enjoy less. We have bigger houses and smaller families, more conveniences, but less time. We have more degrees but less sense, more knowledge, but less judgment, more experts, yet more problems, more medicine, but less wellness.
We drink too much, smoke too much, spend too recklessly, laugh too little, drive too fast, get too angry, stay up too late, get up too tired, read too little, watch TV too much, and pray too seldom.
We have multiplied our possessions, but reduced our values. We talk too much, love too seldom, and hate too often.
We've learned how to make a living, but not a life. We've added years to life not life to years. We've been all the way to the moon and back, but have trouble crossing the street to meet a new neighbor. We conquered outer space but not inner space. We've done larger things, but not better things.
We've cleaned up the air, but polluted the soul. We've conquered the atom, but not our prejudice. We write more, but learn less. We plan more, but accomplish less. We've learned to rush, but not to wait. We build more computers to hold more information, to produce more copies than ever, but we communicate less and less.
These are the times of fast foods and slow digestion, big men and small character, steep profits and shallow relationships. These are the days of two incomes but more divorce, fancier houses, but broken homes. These are days of quick trips, disposable diapers, throwaway morality, one night stands, overweight bodies, and pills that do everything from cheer, to quiet, to kill. It is a time when there is much in the showroom window and nothing in the stockroom. A time when technology can bring this letter to you, and a time when you can choose either to share this insight, or to just hit delete...
Remember; spend some time with your loved ones, because they are not going to be around forever.
Remember, say a kind word to someone who looks up to you in awe, because that little person soon will grow up and leave your side.
Remember, to give a warm hug to the one next to you, because that is the only treasure you can give with your heart and it doesn't cost a cent.
Remember, to say, 'I love you' to your partner and your loved ones, but most of all mean it. An embrace will mend hurt when it comes from deep inside of you.
Remember to hold hands and cherish the moment for someday that person will not be there again.
Give time to love, give time to speak! And give time to share the precious thoughts in your mind.
AND ALWAYS REMEMBER:
Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away.
If you don't send this to other people....Who cares?
George Carlin |
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| Puttur Dinesh, USA |
Jan 29, 2010 |
Ashok
Just remember few stray incidents could be your family members too.
I think you sma itten by the Simpsons. there is more to life in America than sinpsons. |
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| Ravi, Australia |
Jan 29, 2010 |
Steve,
I agree with you. White racist kill indian, white racist happy. Indian kill Indian becase white racist kill indian, white racist very happy.
We are not come out of Africa. we are from the Indus valley civilisation, before advent of any religion.
wake up ignorant people. |
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| Manu, UAE |
Jan 29, 2010 |
Mr.Achar,
Smart People involved in develpoment of Private buiness Class, like Satyam,Wipro So On..But We have less smart Engineers involvement in our Public Infrastructure State/Home/healthcare/Education/Bridges/Roads,
All We Have Century OLD British Built Single Track Ullal Railway Brdge.
Portugese Built Railway Track Under Tunnel from Goa VasCo d'Gama to Bombay
We Have Seventy Year Old Town Schools with Leaking Roof With No Lab Or Library, No Safe Drinking Water,at home, School, Market, Bus-Stop, or Railway Station No Proper Public Toilets Thousands of Homes without Electricicity & Sanitation,
Sixty Years old Lonely Wenlock Hospital without Proper Beds OR Modern OT.
We have Lonely Public Town Hall & Tagore Park close to town, Only We have lovely Selfish Film Stars & Only Cricketer's Who honoured with National Awards, all those shine meaningless,
How about hard Working Teachers? Or
Emergency brave AIMSc Life Saving OT Staff, how a smart Nation will Neglect
best People? |
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| Ashok S, UAE |
Jan 29, 2010 |
"Each time I come to Mangalore, I make it a point to go to Taj Mahal Hampankatta (which was in my neighborhood) and ask for Tuppa Dose" -Dony Lobo
Taj Mahal, Hampankatta, was an exceptional place for a coffee and snacks.
But the same Taj Mahal, Hampankatta, was a ruthless employer. Perhaps still is.
The serving and cooking staff were not permanent employees. They lived in some of the most horrendous conditions (30-40 people in a single room). Those who worked at Taj Mahal, Hampankatta, had to cease work after every three months, and then rejoin after a break.
Why? No burden on the employers of permanent employees. They were permanently casual workers.
Next time you have a coffee at the Taj Mahal, Hampankatta, spare a thought for the employees. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Jan 29, 2010 |
I was sure there was something behind this murder when I read the news. -A R
Hind sight is always 20/20 Alfie saab. |
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| Ravi Lobo, Japan |
Jan 29, 2010 |
A Muslim journalist was asked to leave Hindu Dharmajagruti meeting convened in the premises of Lord Janardhana Swamy Temple in Ujire on Tuesday January 26 by the representatives of Hindu Janajagruti Samiti – News
Disgusting and condemnable, religion should not be criteria for performing professional duties. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Jan 29, 2010 |
and we too have Venkatramana temple in Mangalore -Mrs Shet
Dongerkery temple. Even though it is centrally located, I never had a chance to visit. For that matter, I am yet to visit Kudroli kshetra as well. I tend to see God in people. So that means this whole world is one big temple. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Jan 29, 2010 |
BECAUSE MAXIMUM PASSENGER FROM KOLKATA GET DOWN HERE.-A K Senapati
Dudley, what do you mean by maximum? You mean more than half the train passengers? |
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| DONY LOBO, DOHA, Qatar |
Jan 29, 2010 |
Shall we start an American University giving specialist training of hand chopping, leg breaking, roller running etc……D.P.Kumar, India:
DP Saab, Namasthe….the quote on chopping the arms was not mind but of our beloved Chief Mini Star Yeddisaab, and usme mereko bilkul gussa nahin hai.
As regards starting an American University, may be we will end up paying huge royalty sum to the parent university. Instead we may already have amidst us some trained by the Uncle Laden's Deemed university specialized in such martial arts and can even request General David Ibrahim or any of his protégé to take up the Vice Chancellorship…!!! |
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| DONY LOBO, DOHA, Qatar |
Jan 29, 2010 |
"I remember even earlier than that. Perhaps mid sixties. One tuppa dosa used to cost 10 paise. Chutney or sugar was free accompaniment.I used to opt for chutney of course. Masala dosa was 16 paise. A cup of coffee [famous Taj Mahal coffee] and a masala dosa was 25 paise.With the daals so highly priced, one can imagine that the dosas are also expensive"…SHENOY R, India: [ RE: Kudpi Rajanikanth Shenoy, India ]
Each time I come to Mangalore, I make it a point to go to Taj Mahal Hampankatta (which was in my neighborhood) and ask for Tuppa Dose…..and since the taste remains still as it was in the sixties., I ultimately end up enjoying as many as 5-6 Doses at a time to the utter dismay of the suppliers and onlookers. That is the speciality of the Tuppa Dosai, and also once in a way the goli bajes..
There were three other well known eateries of those years which made a mark for themselves. Deewar for their unique Sunday biriyani, Annella for their sukha dishes and last but not the least or perhaps the greatest of them all the legendary Inasam's Hotel which apart from certain non-vegetarian mouthwatering dishes was also known for providing 1000 lunches (fish curry and rice) everyday afternoon for just Re 1/- for the economically handicapped customers till the great Inasam (Mr. Ignatious Pereira) himself passed away. I am not aware if his descendants have kept up that noble tradition. |
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| Alfrd J. Rebello, Dubai,, UAE |
Jan 29, 2010 |
Original Pai (Or.....), I only reply to those who make convrsion is an issue. I do not care who converts or not and to which religion. It is their own problem not mine. But when one makes an issue, I reply them.
With regard to, killing by an indian an Indian, I reserved my comments till known the facts because evrybody blamed Australians in the first instance itself. |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Jan 29, 2010 |
".... you should provide them opportunities to earn their bread. If you do that then nobody will convert." - Alfred J Rebello.
There you go again. You and your talking points!! This is one of the propaganda that we keep hearing time and again. Lifting poor people out of poverty...!! Oh yea - Did you know that some of the poorest countries on this planet are already 'converted'? And, there are millions of poor people all over the world - it's not just India.
I'm not for or against any religion. I couldn't care less if you want to stop worshipping God X and switch to God Y - it's your business. But, why the propaganda of 'equal opportunities and lifting out of poverty'? |
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| D.P.Kumar, India |
Jan 29, 2010 |
"not only the hands of the actual people who distroy or attack the churches should be broken but ..."DONY LOBO ko gussa aya hai!
Dony, I have a good idea. Shall we start an American University giving specialist training of hand chopping, leg breaking, roller running etc. The very name American will attract people like bees to floral gardens!
For the post of Chancellor, I bet, you will have no other better choice than Varun. Yeddyurappa will be inaugurating -not with pair of scissors and ribbon- but with. .. .(choice is yours);-)) |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Jan 29, 2010 |
"bill was only Rs 485/...for 12 people" - Shenoy maam
It's very interesting thing. I did a little bit of research on annual inflation rate (in India) and tried to figure out what exactly it meant in today's money.
After the calculation:
Rs.485 in 1989 = Rs.2123.55 in 2010.
Not too bad for 12 people! |
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| D.P.Kumar, India |
Jan 29, 2010 |
Dear Rizwan,
I understand your anxiety when the Home Minister tells truth that he cannot provide security to mushrooming temples, daivasthans, bhajana mandirs, bhoota gudis, mosques, and churches, Grottos or even the crosses on the top of some hills.
A girl is missing and the top police official is asked by the High Court to explain by his presence. There are over thousand such cases. Can a police official sit in the High Court everyday?
Can he provide security to every girl and woman?
I remember why Ruksana Kausar was recognised and given award ? She braved and snatched the assault rifle AK47 from one of the terrorists, shot one to death, injured another and send the others running for their lives.
Presuming that you are the Home Minister, tell us what all things you would do?
What I feel is that Police department should recruit 25 percent more on rolls, buy good sufficient number of jeeps and bykes and put the force in move in all places day and night.
Every police and official must be provided with mobiles in addition to walky-talkies for each group. |
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| Ashok S, UAE |
Jan 28, 2010 |
Dinesh,
Thank you for explaining to me how police works in US of A.
You are watching too many movies. I think occasionally you should watch Simpsons. There is more reality in Simpsons than in most of the gung-ho movies.
Police arrive at the crime scene AFTER the event. Police can't be everywhere.
I would have asked you to explain 53 murders per million. But a johnny-come-lately would not have answers on such matters.
The bottomline: The Karnataka Government is doing a pretty good job. No Government can ensure 100% security to its citzens. We must thank our good luck that there is plenty of goodwill in Karnataka among all the people. A few stray cases should not create a demand for the Home Minister's resignation.
Thank you Home Minister for being truthful. I am sure people will respect you more for that. Don't go the Advani way. |
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| Puttur Dinesh, USA |
Jan 28, 2010 |
Ashok
I found the following information about the functions of Home minsitry( India)
The Home Minister, or more properly the Minister for Home Affairs, is a position in the Indian Cabinet, at both State and Union levels.
The Home Ministry is one of the most important, powerful and high profile ministry after the Prime Minister. The minister is in charge of the Internal administration of the country, with responsibility for
all matters relating to Centre-State and Inter-State relations
all matters related to internal security
maintenance of law and order within the country
matters like Citizenship and Naturalisation Census of Population,
National Anthem, National Flag, Official Languages
basic functions under the Constitution like notification of assumption of office by the President, Vice-President, Prime Minister and other Ministers; notification of appointment, resignation and removal of Governors of States and Lieut. Governors and Administrators in Union Territories
OK the first and foremost function is maintainance of law and order. Since you are saying that there is no guarantee, would you call police if your house is robbed, or you are mugged, or your kin raped. We live in an organized society with rules and regulations, we are not Somalia or lawless country where anyone can walk in and kill or damage your property and walk away. If that is the attutude of citizens then so would be the attitude of the home Minister.
Until and unless you let the elected people know what is their job they will just enjoy the privileges of the office and not even worry about the common man.
As long as US is concerned you might pee in your pants with the way law is enforced. You might be dead if you move your hands after a cop pulls you over. The fear of law and punishment needs to be in the hearts of people. With raising his hands up and saying I am helpless Home minster is giving more ammunition to BD and SRS.
All I am saying is since you have accepted the post of the home minister, do the job if not there about 1.2 billion Indians, I think we can find a able bodied home minister. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Jan 28, 2010 |
guess you remember how much a masala dosa or thuppa dosa used to cost those days in Taj Mahal Cafe!
-Mr Shenoy
I remember even earlier than that. Perhaps mid sixties. One tuppa dosa used to cost 10 paise. Chutney or sugar was free accompaniment.I used to opt for chutney of course. Masala dosa was 16 paise. A cup of coffee [famous Taj Mahal coffee] and a masala dosa was 25 paise.With the daals so highly priced, one can imagine that the dosas are also expensive.
I remember those long lines for petrol in 1974 when the rumour was that the prices were going up from 1.50 to 4.50. It happened fairly soon.I remember those long lines of people waiting for petrol.
The cost of urad daal at Rs 120/ IS WHAT WE SEE in the western world. They get the supplies from Malaysia.
I know that pomfret has always been expensive. It is not so common and it commands the price as the damand is high.I take it that 'Kaane' is also expensive these days.I remember giving treat for about 12 people way back in 1988/89 in Udupi at Usha hotel. The menu included so many starters, butter chicken, egg parota, chicken fried rice. This was in addition to sodas and other drinks. The bill was only Rs 485/. I still wonder if I owed the restaurant some money after all.The starters included ginger chicken, chilli chicken, green peas curry [dry], papad [masala] and other items.
I always wonder how our people manage their expenses. |
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| Bill, India |
Jan 28, 2010 |
The morning exposure...with chembu in hand...
In some quarters it is also called the "crack troops". |
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| Ashok S, UAE |
Jan 28, 2010 |
"if you cannot do the job, allow someone else who can do the job...That is not how the democracies work" - Dinesh.
Dinesh,
Would really appreciate if you could substatiate your statements, by providing some supporting evidence that says that a Home Minister MUST provide security to all the citizens; if not, he will need to be replaced.
It is not a Home Minister's job to guarantee that. It is no one's job to guarantee that. Frankly, there are no Governments anywhere in the world guarantees an individual's total security, just as no doctor anywhere in the world (if you excuse the Ayurvedic charlatans) can guarantee that he/she can cure a disease.
The job of the Home Minister is mani-fold. OVERSEEing the security of the citizens is one such activity. No guarantees, though. By the way, did you know that in the land of US of A, there are 53 murders per million (Australia 15, India 32, Saudi Arabia 7). What are your thoughts on the failing security in the land of model democracy? On the other hand, highest security is possible in Saudi Arabia where, as you keep reminding everyone here, there is no democracy.
For more info on crime stats, www.nationmaster.com (not youtube). |
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| Kudpi Rajanikanth Shenoy, India |
Jan 28, 2010 |
Can you imagine the expenses in India these days?
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Shenoy maam, a kilo of Urad Daal costs well over Rs.120/- and Tuvar Daal at 100/-.
Sugar(Of course a fancy for many!) at 50/- and skinned Chicken at 145/-.
I remember having bought 6 white pomfrets weighing around 800Gms at Rs.40/- and Red Prawns at Rs. 50/- per Kilo back in the mid Seventies. Today, it is Rs.320/- per kilo and Rs. 350/- per kilo respectively.
I guess you remember how much a masala dosa or thuppa dosa used to cost those days in Taj Mahal Cafe!
What about petrol? When I just learnt scooter riding in 1974, it was Rs.1.50 per liter. Now it is Rs.50/-. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Jan 28, 2010 |
Iss baar toh hum daana daal ke rahenge!-Nagendra maam
Kahin chidiya chonch maare toh? |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Jan 28, 2010 |
it was declared as both the teams were joint winners due to breakage of rope during the event. -News clip
I have a feeling that the rope was made in China stuff. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Jan 28, 2010 |
It looks like the CM gets better points with his silly, but dramatic remark, as it seems to please some quarters.
-Kiran
No Kiran. Every one knows that the CM is very weak. [Lakkere teeruji] |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Jan 28, 2010 |
By the way explain to me Hindustan Culture.-A R
Have you travelled by train any time? Just watch early morning as the train goes slowly leaving a station. You will see people facing the river with their backs to you. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Jan 28, 2010 |
One says "chop the hands" the other says, "I have no sword".-Puttur Dinesh
No one said that they don't have swords. But hands may be busy. [Ghanti bajaane mein] |
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| Puttur Dinesh, USA |
Jan 28, 2010 |
Kiran
Political affiliations have nothing to do with HM's statement. if you cannot do the job, allow someone else who can do the job. What if Chidu said he cannot provide security?
That is not how the democracies work, if people had to take care of their own security why would we spend a fortune on electing a governmnet.
I think Home minister's statement is just passing buck nothing else. Also the CM and HM don't seem to be on the same page. One says "chop the hands" the other says, "I have no sword". |
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| Alfred J. Rebello, Dubai,, UAE |
Jan 28, 2010 |
You want live life with all luxury.........which is not possible in Hindustan. - Raj.
Raj, Now I know why are you staying in UAE. You should have stayed in India and teach the culture. You are in UAE To have luxury, isn't it? By the way explain to me Hindustan Culture. |
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| Alfred J. Rebello, Dubai,, UAE |
Jan 28, 2010 |
First of all stop these type of activies in Hindustan..........then everything will be all right as usual. -Prem Kumar, UAE.
Prem first you remove India is Hindustan from your mind. India is not Hindustan nor Muslimstan nor Christianstan, It is India or Bharat for all Indians. If you think that way, Then everything will all right as usual. Is there anywhere mentioned India is only for Hindus? By the way what you are doing in Muslimstan? People like you should stay in India and uplift poor Hindus teaching them about true God. Before that you should provide them opportunities to earn their bread. If you do that then nobody will convert.
With regard to conversion, do you know it is against Indian constitution? If you find any forced conversion, you have the right to bring them to justice. However, if somebody converts, it is his individual right. |
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| Kudpi Rajanikanth Shenoy, India |
Jan 28, 2010 |
ll have turned selfish and we see our glory and so the nation is goverened by illiterates and people who have no civil values.
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Excellent thoughts, Vinesh!
We need more positive thinkers like you than money minded opportunists who just destroy old values for their selfish means! |
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| Cyril Moras, India |
Jan 28, 2010 |
Najam.
Whats the story behind the name Batrekere?
Any kere in your area belonging to some Bhat?
Just curious about Bajpe. |
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| Alfred J. Rebello, Dubai,, UAE |
Jan 28, 2010 |
I would love to have your valued comments. - Nelson.
Nelson, let us not waste our energy commenting on somebody who boasts himself. I had seen one film, Kabhi Khushi, Kabhi Ghum, SRK with Amitab and there is no coomparison. |
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| Alfred J. Rebello, Dubai,, UAE |
Jan 28, 2010 |
Folks what would your reaction be if Australia said it cannot protect Indian citizen. - PD.
PD, when our own state Government cannot protect us, Indians from Indians, then what about other countries protecting Indians? Why do you think these radicals take law in their hands? If Government is able chop off few hands as they say, then things would have been different. Our Government is good to chop hands of innocents rather these radicals. Because they want these radicals during elections know, to do something to come to power. For me, our mentality will not improve. It is like pouring water on the rock. |
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| DONY LOBO, DOHA, Qatar |
Jan 28, 2010 |
| "Charity begins at home" don't you agree with me Uncle Joe if I may add to the Chief Mini Star's words that not only the hands of the actual people who distroy or attack the churches should be broken but even those who inspire and guide them to do so or in short the abettors of such cowardly acts...should be meted out with the same punishment.... |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Jan 28, 2010 |
Hi,
I personally feel dat This version of Mile sur has been a great effort worth appreciating. -Joyce Andrade
Thanks for your view Joyce. On its own it is definitely a good effort. I was just trying to compare it with the older version. For example the movie Don. The older version was definitely more entertaining. Helen's dance 'Yeh mera dil' was far better than that shown in recent version. Even the song 'Don Don' was well picturised in the older version. Recent version may have improved technical input. Shah Rukh paled in comaparison to Amitabh. Don ko pakadna mushkil nahin naamumkin hai sounded like 'Sippaigiri' dialogue from Amitabh but the same from Shah Rukh sounded like empty threat.
Thanks for your contribuition. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Jan 28, 2010 |
Could BLACK MONEY have saved India out of recession?-N agendra maam
Parallel economy you mean. It is believed that parallel economy is what makes the country 'poor' in the sense the money never gets invested. However benami assets like those of Hassan Gowdas also contribuite to this type of money. Bollywood is the best example of black money. Many industrialists contribuite to the situation. Politicians live on that. Flat tax rate can solve this problem to some extent. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Jan 28, 2010 |
The milk from the larger cows, with the hump, provoke severe anti-body response inside the human system as cow's milk protein is a foreign protein and is antigenic.
-Dr B M Hegde
Very interesting hypothesis there Dr Hegde.I am sure most of us were fed with cow's milk apart from mother's milk and 'bol' which is like a cereal. I am also inclined to believe that Mangalore had Jersey cows in the fifties and sixties and many of us have consumed that milk unwittingly. It is difficult to understand why the antibody response is seen in particular individuals and not all. In a family of 8 children if only one child becomes a diabetic when he is a young adult, I would think it is a random event or inheritance of a diabetic gene as another explanation. Again, this antibody respose should give rise to Type 1 diabetes. I know in Seattle they transplant the beta cells. What are the chances of viability of such a transplant considering the fact that antibodies may still be lingering and the mechansim which gives rise to anti body resonse may not have stopped unless some other intervention has been also done like usage of immunosuppresant drugs.
I hope you will give us some explanations for our understanding. Diabetes mellitus is such a common medical condition after all.Thank you Prof for your time. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Jan 28, 2010 |
You car driver may perform better, make him home minister.- Abdul
Humn. Reminded me of the late Nijalingappa's car driver. AKA Jaffer Sherieff.
PS: Also reminded me of Arjuna's car driver. |
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| Placid Gregory, Mangalore, India |
Jan 28, 2010 |
| Rightly said. |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Jan 28, 2010 |
I haven't seen the promos of the new Mile Sur Mera Tumhara but everyone I came across haven't seemed to like it. DD those days did not have technology, but still they came out with a ONCE IN A LIFETIME song on National Integrity.
One can never forget that great song with some beautiful ladies like Tanuja (representing Maharashtra), Waheeda Reheman, Hema Malini in a beautiful navy blue saree with pink border singing under a tree when it is raining or even the sexy Sharmila Tagore in a light blue saree, some great musicians like Pt. Bhimsen Joshi as the opener along with Bala Murali Krishna, representing Sandalwood State Karnataka were Ace Badminton Champ Prakash Padukone and Suhasini (to the lines of 'Nanna dhanige ninna dhaniya seridante namma dhaniya') on a jeep, singer Lata Mangeshkar, young and handsome Kamal Hasan with palms on cheeks, from the world of sports Narendra Hirwani in the traditional white sweaters of Cricketers, Arun Lal (combing his hair while getting down from a train) and if I am right there was even Sandeep Patil the flamboyant Cricketer of those days, along with Om Puri, Dina Pathak, Shabana Azmi and finally the trio of Amitabh Bachchan, Jeetendra in the middle and Mithun Chakravarthy - all singing the same phrase in different languages!!!
But that for which we kids of late 80s waited eagerly was a herd of elephants and calves taking bath in river while the background said "Takadimi takatik takadimi takatik....".
But if someone has forgotten the Doordarshan Mantle song which contained sports stars like Tiger Pataudi, Krish Srikanth, Kapil Dev, Sunil Gavaskar, Bhagwat Chandrashekhar, S Venkatraghawan, Prakash Padukone, P T Usha, Milka Singh you can watch it here - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukqIgpcKSO8 |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Jan 28, 2010 |
Alfred,
Other's Black Money is not accessible even to IT authorities. How can I access? Once I 'earn' Black Money for me I will show it to you. |
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| Ashok S, UAE |
Jan 28, 2010 |
Raj,
That is a lot of "research" on why beef should continue to be produced in Karnataka. Inspired by Pachauri?
Can't imagine that a Christian would go to such length of trouble digging all the Veda lines on beef consumption. But your name is Raj...
Customs change over time. Preferences change over time. Today beef is not wanted by most.
While beef must have been consumed by some during the Vedas, there may have been people during that time who did not consume beef at all.
Today's reality is important. Banning beef does not mean people will stop producing/consuming meat. There is plenty of scope to produce mutton/rabbit/poultry and other meats. What about camels? Muslim Arabs eat them.
Instead of spending all your time researching about Vedas, if you were to research on how to produce meat for today's market, I am sure many here will make you a Mangalorean Star. Who knows, you might even be a candidate for a Padma award. |
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| Kudpi Rajanikanth Shenoy, India |
Jan 28, 2010 |
What do you think Raj?
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I saw the 'Phir Mile Sur' videos on youtube and felt, older version is much better than the new.
New version is mostly hinted to win the confidence of younger generation that is more into fusion and Indirock music. |
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| Shareef Moideen, Mangalore/Jeddah, Saudi Arabia |
Jan 28, 2010 |
Dinesh,
If you can analyze, his statements since Church attacks and comments against minorities will reveal his true identity. Look into his personal blog and he has taken a comment from one reader of other portal to support his statement, http://drvsacharya.blogspot.com/2010/01/thought-for-day.html. According to home minister church attacks are vandalism and even his criticized the news channels saying “Photo clearly shows the location of the grotto, outside the church compound, on the roadside. Glass covering the grotto was found to be broken - material for channels crying for breaking news!’’. Any place of worships has to be protected and inability to protect them shows the ineffectiveness of the Home Minister. I agree with you, this is Shameful. |
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| Alfred J. Rebello, Dubai, , UAE |
Jan 28, 2010 |
Could BLACK MONEY have saved India out of recession - Nagendra.
Nagendra, first show me this BLACK MONEY, how it looks like. I never seen it yet? First let me have a look on it before commenting. I do not want to comment on anything which I have not seen, you know. Yes, this question you can perhaps ask PC. He must have done something to stabilize India during recession. |
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| Judith L, India |
Jan 28, 2010 |
| So, Br. Guru you mean to say you want to eat the cake and keep it to. |
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| Alfred J. Rebello, Dubai,, UAE |
Jan 28, 2010 |
I am all about Women's freedom, they should be allowed to do everything a man does. - Puttur Dinesh.
PD, what you mean, to do everything a man does. There is only one job man has pecularity which no woman can do and you want to take it away that also by a woman? Then we men are good for what? |
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| D.P.Kumar, India |
Jan 28, 2010 |
Kiran,
The name of the book by Lokamanya B.G. Tilak is The Arctic Home in the Vedas.
You can download the whole book in pdf file containing around 470 pages within seconds from
[THE ARCTIC HOME IN THE VEDAS. Being Also a New Key to the Interpretation of. Many Vedic Texts and Legends. By. Lokamanya Bâl Gangâdhar Tilak ...]
pyramidal-foundational-information.com/file.../58/vedic+arctic+home.pdf
Very interesting. |
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| N.S.Shenoy, India |
Jan 28, 2010 |
Andrade,
I salute your views.
mile sur mera-thumhara
Zakir Hussin on tabla was fantastic. |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Jan 27, 2010 |
I think the CM should choose better words. Chop the hands is not appropriate - Puttur Dinesh
Puttur Dinesh Maam,
What we have been reading/writing in EYT, CM has spoken the same. Yatha praja tatha Raja (Roles are reversed) |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Jan 27, 2010 |
Success, which others should say and I say to PC - Alfred Rebello
Very true Alfred. I had asked PC about his success but the reply came from you :-)
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Jan 27, 2010 |
What you said about your success, which is not success but your personality - Alfred Rebello
Alfred,
Thank you for acknowledging. Having been able to develop this personality itself is a success. This is how I will take it.
Could BLACK MONEY have saved India out of recession? |
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| Joyce Nanet Andrade, India |
Jan 27, 2010 |
hi,
you shud get it from konkanifilms.blogspot.com |
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| Joyce Nanet Andrade, India |
Jan 27, 2010 |
Hi,
I personally feel dat This version of Mile sur has been a great effort worth appreciating. It is the music and the lyrics that needs to be appreciated. I dont think we've got nothing to do with what costumes the celebs have worn as long as they are presentable for the song. For that matter we've got so many bollywood and hollywood songs with good music and lyrics probably with the stars not too well dressed. Overall it is a great effort of the modern producer- well presented and performed according to the need of the time. |
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| Puttur Dinesh, USA |
Jan 27, 2010 |
Shenoy
I agree with your review of Mile Sur mera thumara. I think it has been fancied too much with all mega stars, the earlier one as very simple and it was about people of India. The recent one lead by Amitab seems to be only about Movie stars. I would be glad if Hajabba from Mangalore was a part of the song.
I think India is made by hard working and great people like Hajabba who in-spite of their poverty try to give everything they have to the society and not by Big B or SRK(even though they are apart of the society)
I would give a D to the new Mile sur mera thumara.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gstRrEmTcBc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-iNYg3ZSrI (new)
I would love to see Raj's opinion as he is into media, What do you think Raj?
By the way Happy Indian republic day everyone, I m attending a function this weekend. Hope you guys had a good one. |
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| Ashok S, UAE |
Jan 27, 2010 |
"Why there so many Russians in Goa & Dubai.."
Any more than Indians in Canada, US, UK and Australia?
Or Indians in Dubai? |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Jan 27, 2010 |
i wont the cd for the movie mog ani moipas. -Melwyn
Mog Ani Maipas? Are you serious? This movie was shown in Platinum theatre in 1980 or so. I don't think it had much run and practically no fan following. I hope you had not acted in the movie. I found it particularly uninteresting and the experience left an unexplained headache which did not respond to two Metacin tablets or strong Madhuvan coffee later.
PS: I hate Biswajeet. But I think some of his movies were far superior to Mog ani Maipas. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Jan 27, 2010 |
Chop the hands is not appropriate- P D
I agree. He is not the Chief Minister of Saudi Arabia. Am I right Moideen saab? |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Jan 27, 2010 |
St. Lawrence who love everyone and sends them never empty hand- Olivia
I tend to agree. I had received a wrist thread from some one almost 30 years ago. I particularly liked it. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Jan 27, 2010 |
wish that JD(S)will surely emerge the winner in the next assembly elections.-G P India
That is a wishful thinking as you yourself have admitted. People may be foolish but not total gone cases to vote these guys into power. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Jan 27, 2010 |
Phir Mile Sur.
I have seen the first part and part of the second part on you tube.
I believe the earlier version of 1988 was much superior. Pandit Bhimsain Joshi had that magical voice.Amitabh is a far cry from Bhimsain Joshi.
I don't particualrly like the idea of too many people in blue jeans in the video.It gives a too casual appearance. I am not suggesting that Full suit would have been better.
Glaring omissions like Sachin Tendulkar.They had shown Narendra Hirwani in the previous edition.
A R Rehman is OK but I would have liked to see more classical music directors and singers for this song.
Over all rating is C Minus whereas I would rate the previous edition much higher; at least a B+. |
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| melwyn dsouza, India |
Jan 27, 2010 |
| Can anyone please help. i wont the cd for the movie mog ani moipas. Or tell me from where can i download the movie. |
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| Nelson Lewis, Bahrain |
Jan 27, 2010 |
India by winning the second test against Bangladesh, has white-washed the opponent.
However, all said and done, there were chinks in India's armour. Indian batting was suspect against short-pitched deliveries and some of the Indian batsmen got out to short-pitched deliveries. Rahul Dravid got injured to a delivery that did not rise, but hit him on his helmet, fracturing his jaw.
Further, Indian fielding is deplorable. Many runs could have been saved by live wire fielding. |
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| Nelson Lewis, Bahrain |
Jan 27, 2010 |
"Nelson, if nobody boasts about you, then you have to boast yourself, to tell the world that you are still alive. That is what SRK is doing." by Alfred J. Rebello.
Dear Mr. Alfred J. Rebello,
Do you mean to say that it is right for Sharukh Khan to blow his own trumpet? Do you really think that this man is the greatest Hindi actor and does he have a chocolate or pizza face? Whatever roles he has done is in commercial films. Am I right or wrong?
I would love to have your valued comments.
Regards,
Nelson Lewis |
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| Kiran, USA |
Jan 27, 2010 |
DP Kumar,
There is no land in the Arctic, the ice cap is floating pack ice or sea ice over the Arctic Ocean.
Drilling through the Antarctic ice-cap, years have been counted back to 160,000 (+- 15,000) years ago, with more ice below that cannot be counted in terms of years, for multiple reasons.
You can also check out Wikipedia for the genetic research for migrations.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetics_and_archaeogenetics_of_South_Asia#South_Asia_and_Central_Asia |
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| Kiran, USA |
Jan 27, 2010 |
Christians are the true people of this earth. --Alwyn, Canada
Since your choice of words "the true people", which means THE ONLY TRUE people, there are few possibilities here.
1. The rest of us are Gods.
2. The rest of us are true people of that heaven, but not of this earth.
3. You really meant that all people are not equal and you realize that It is a fanatic, fundamentalist statement.
4. You meant to say "Christians are also true people of this earth, just as people from all other religions." |
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| Puttur Dinesh, USA |
Jan 27, 2010 |
Shrinivas
It depends of what part of US you are from. I think you can see the difference beween East/west coast and Mid west and south.
People form the midwest and south are polite, there are good christian families that live together, there are girls who believe in remaining virgin till marriage, who wear modest clothing etc etc. But you have to understand the society though, people here are all about freedom and independence, when you are an adult you don't want your parents to tell you what to do and what not to. It is different with Indian families, they have their sons and daughters live in thier basement until they are in their 30's and 40's. |
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| Guru, India |
Jan 27, 2010 |
double mouthed..take benefits from Christian Institutions and then blame for conversion also @ Sr.Judith to S.D
Sr. Judith, r u suggesting that benefits are given by christian institutions for conversions?
Did mother Teresa help poor and suffring ones to convert? I think u hv an answer in it.
SD is right in his own way. Hospitals shound not distinguish patients on the basis of religion. Doctors do not swear so. |
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| D.P.Kumar, India |
Jan 27, 2010 |
In reply to Alfred's question:- what is your success? to Nagendra Shenoy replied :- I have got a good name within the society,
Alfred J Rebello, you can take me as one among the members of the society to admire the way this young man writes and deals with elders like me.
He has adopted much more tolerance than me is what I believe. Positive attitude is another character he has improved upon during the last one year while writing in EYT.
I wish Nagendra Shenoy all the best.
Dear Alfred, let us encourage youngsters to liberate themselves from the shrunk minds in which cobweb probably people like me are entangled in by appreciating and recognising the good things in them. |
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| Puttur DInesh, USA |
Jan 27, 2010 |
Naags
Thanks for the explanation, I am all about Women's freedom, they should be allowed to do everything a man does.
May be I am lil biased because of their sangh parivar affiliation. |
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| Alfred J. Rebello, Dubai,, UAE |
Jan 27, 2010 |
Note - Dream girls... of course in plenty. - Nagendra.
You mean to say this is your success?
What you said about your success, which is not success but your personality. Success, which others should say and I say to PC because his ideas and thinking capacity put India firm during recession. Otherwise many would have lost their jobs. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Jan 27, 2010 |
we might have to give up computers and start sending mails through kabootar.
-P D
Or through goos old styled post office service using mail man.Daakiya daak laayaa.
PS: I enjoyed P D maam's sense of humor he has displayed here unwittingly so to say. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Jan 27, 2010 |
Atleast, the constitution of India does not differentiate between us.-Ali Imran
Good point there Ali Imran. I hope other knowledgeable readers will contribuite in a positive way and have a healthy discussion on this gray area for non muslims. |
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| Guru, India |
Jan 27, 2010 |
=History has shown @Raj, India
Which history? Indian or world?
Is it Soviet Union, China, Cuba, Vietnam OR Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Haiti, Iraq, Japan, Kuwait OR Andhra Pradesh, Goa, Gujarat, Karnataka Orissa ....history of which country or state?
=That every place which has desecrated Christain Gods @Raj
God or Gods?
=Had paid heavy price@Raj, India
Is it before 2010 years or during Roman Empire Or afterward?
Please do not write such things. I get confused about GODS and Hysteria!! |
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| Ashok S, UAE |
Jan 27, 2010 |
Kiran,
After reading the article provided by your link, I did a google search on "Harvard Medical School ccmb Thangarajan". All that I got was basically the exact same press release pointed out by your link. The press release creators have not even been creative! There is no variation of the story - even though reproduced by many Indian sites (and curiously almost no one else).
You would have expected something from the revered Harvard Medical School on the subject?
No. Nada. Nothing. Not a word from the Harvard Medical School on the subject.
Looks like this is yet another example of Pachauried research. No different from the Himalaya-2035 and 1.5 Trillion dollars stashed away in Swiss banks.
Why do you seem to readily believe such Pachauried stuff? You must have your reasons.
Let us see something from an objective point of view.
Look at the languages. Has it occurred to you that the North Indian languages do not have anything in common with the South Indian languages (excluding of course any of the tadbhava cross-pollination).
The grammar of South Indian language family has many fundamental differences too with that of the North Indian language family. One example - North Indian languages have only two genders. But the South Indian languages have three genders.
The so-called myth-busting is merely an exervcise in creating new myths.
Why are Indian "researchers" so shameless! |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Jan 27, 2010 |
Ashok S and Puttur Dinesh,
About anti-westernization by ABVP.
The stage contains some eminent ladies who are sharp thinkers. Anti-westernization there is not about opposing computers and pizzas or New Year parties and Birthday Bashes. It is about not blindly aping some practices without knowing the meaning and purpose.
Why did we see some from US opposing the term 'Happy Holidays' during Christmas? Why do we hear frequently "There is only Christmas. Rest are anniversaries"? or even objections to 'X-Mas' and stressing people to call 'Christmas'? One does not want to lose the essence of the culture that was being practiced for centuries together in their respective land.
They gathered there not to oppose USA and New Year parties. |
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| D.P.Kumar, India |
Jan 27, 2010 |
"The 2-3 Crore home they are talking about is in Mangalore, Bejai, if you have not seen it is his ancestral home that was his parents place, @Joe Pais on Asset of George Fernandes
Joe, good information there. But the ancestral property cannot belong only to George Fernandes. He has 3 other brothers. I do not know if he has sisters. Old houses in Mangalore do not have any value but for - haLe kattaDa samagri!!
The fight took place when a property of his has been sold for Rs. 12 Crores in Bangalore. That may not be ancestral! Another property is said to be in Hubli worth around Rs. 10 crores.
Finally whatever respect we had for him vanish when the suppressed scams of coffins, Barak (FIR by CBI on 2 crore kichback)
We have also seen Jaya Jaitley receiving cash in George's official residence when he was the Defence Minsiter and have known later that Jaya has been removed from the GS post of the party.
Incidentally I have to note that George has mentioned a bangalow worth Rs.2.70 crore in his wife's name during last election. If his wife was discarded, it was not necessary for him to show the property. Secondly, it is to be found out who has filed the wealth tax returns and for which properties.
In India elections are not won easily without money power and George Fernandes belonged to a political system that is in currency today. |
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| D.P.Kumar, India |
Jan 27, 2010 |
Kiran and Rammohan,
As regarding Aryans, I still hold the research work presented by Lokmanya Bal Gangadhar Tilak as the better and clear view.
The Arctic Origin of the Aryans is a book he submitted to the world and discussed upon and agreed to by most of the historians of yester years.
You can also read in wikipedia "The Arctic Home in the Vedas".
The issue of Aryans and Dravidians is not as simple as Rehmathullah thinks or writes. The historic places still found and mentioned in the Ramayana takes us back to more than 3000 years back. Rameshwar, Gokarn, Dhanushkodi, Ramsethu and studies in Sri Lanka do present us vivid pictures and historical events apart from being also considered mythological.
We have dravidian brahmins in Andhra and Tamil Nadu. They have gotras similar to those in others plus few more.
But before -much before -this the human race is identified to Neanderthal man and Chimpanzee (considered 98 percent human)
Noisy and curious, intelligent and social, the chimpanzee is the mammal most like a human. Chimpanzees fascinate humans!
Rehmathullah's beliefs do not have any mention of these nor of the invisible pancha mahabhuthas (five elements). |
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| Judith L, India |
Jan 27, 2010 |
| How can people be double mouthed. They want to take benefits from Christian Institutions and then blame for conversion also. |
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| Alfred J. Rebello, Dubai,, UAE |
Jan 27, 2010 |
What do you say my learned friend, Alfred J. Rebello? - Nelson Lewis asking me on SRK.
Nelson, if nobody boasts about you, then you have to boast yourself, to tell the world that you are still alive. That is what SRK is doing. |
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| Shareef Moideen, Mangalore/Jeddah, Saudi Arabia |
Jan 27, 2010 |
1.They have all become part of Hindu dharma today. That's why a Hindu doesn't think twice about visiting a Gurudwara or Jain basadi.
2.Usually those groups who believe in the concept of 'true god Vs false god' tend to be more aggressive and confrontational. - Original R.Pai, USA:
1.That is the difference in monotheism and pagan religions.
2.Each and every religion propagates the presence of ONE GOD and the concept of true god and false god will not make a group or individual aggressive and confrontational only the misunderstanding about the religion and deviant ideologies make them aggressive and confrontational. |
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| D.P.Kumar, India |
Jan 26, 2010 |
"nd most important the Editor-Moderators of Website that reflects true Mangalorean Culture and Tradition of the community the Mangalorean.com certainly deserve to be recognized on a priority basis by any body or organisation that claims worldwide affiliations."Dony Lobo
I appreciate your identifying the true unbiased website and its Editor-moderators. Let us work it out. |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Jan 26, 2010 |
By the way, what is your success? - Alfred Rebello
Alfred,
Since you have asked me, I am telling you.
I have got a good name within the society, amongst my alma-mater, my teachers, amongst the elders within the family and community. Until now, none of my actions have tarnished the image of my parents, school/college, community and society. I have been able to enjoy love and some respect from all the aforesaid people. I don't know if I have done anything good but so far I haven't done anything evil to the society. In my books, this is success. I wish to remain with this success forever.
What according to you is success? I don't have dream companies and dream car or dream job to hunt for. Hence achieving that for me is not success for me.
Note - Dream girls... of course in plenty. |
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| Shareef Moideen, Mangalore/Jeddah, Saudi Arabia |
Jan 26, 2010 |
But this OM is not having similar presence in Judaism, Christianity or Islam – Guru
That is the difference in monotheism and pagan religions. |
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| Shareef Moideen, Mangalore/Jeddah, Saudi Arabia |
Jan 26, 2010 |
Puttur Dinesh,
I am not Mutawwa in Saudi Arabia, working in a MNC for bread and butter. I appreciate if you can suggest other fellow readers to stop maligning Islam and I don’t comment on each and every comment. You mean to say Western or European countries are intolerant towards other religion? |
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| Govindraj, Canada |
Jan 26, 2010 |
...Haiti.....January 12th....
Mangaloreans around the World.
William Clinton is a special envoy of UN.
Haiti is located south east of Florida and North West of South America.
"kindly give the man as big a support hand"
Thank you. |
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| TIGER RAJARAM, UDIPI, India |
Jan 26, 2010 |
"it is now high time the shias be declared non muslims by the majority Sunni muslims all over the world"…..Shaikh Rahmatullah, Saudi Arabia:
"If they had not embraced Islam I would be worshipping idols, pictures,saints, sun, moon, rivers, fire, trees, cows,monkey, snake, and almost everything"…..Shaikh Rahmatullah, Saudi Arabia:
The above two expressions can come out only either an ignorant and closed mind., or a die hard brainwashed fanatic.
Being born in India, with the majority Hindu population having accomodated you by helping you to grow up and educate peacefully for you to make the above statement sounds preposterous.
Please note that Hindus do not WORSHIP idols, sun, moon, rivers, trees, cows, monkey, snake etc. These are (like the Kaaba) the symbols through which they see God in their own conscience and they worship the same God through different mediums which sick and closed minds may find it difficult to understand or comprehend.
Please do not forget that ancient Egyptians (during Pharao's times) used to worship snakes and even the Sun etc. Ever heard of a Pharao Ramses II who proclaimed himself as God and all subjects had to worship him and only him, and had many a temples built in his honour…Even many among the Jews who were enslaved for 400 years till the Exodus and even thereafter (as they scattered themselves around the then known world carrying forward with them the worship of Ramses II the Sun God..
You should also know that the religion which you claim to represent also holds the moon in great reverence especially during Ramzam and Eid occasions.
And just because on Eid days, men folk hug or embrace each other it does not mean that all of them are gays.
However your remarks that Shias should be declared as non-muslims makes very interesting reading. Years back (19th December 2003 issue page 64 ) of a leading weekend magazine of the Gulf mentioned that the earliest Christians of the eastern provinces (like Greece and further eastern regions) were called as “X” ians, (X pronounced as "Ch" in French like Champagne) which in gradual times with common usage may have become “Xians”… Your view that Shias (Xias) are not Muslims merely strengthens the view that originally their roots are Christian. |
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| Nelson Lewis, Bahrain |
Jan 26, 2010 |
Mr. Palaksh,
You are totally right. Sharukh Khan is just a showman and he calls himself a megastar. Either this man has a hole in his head or is a megalomaniac, who has an exaggerated importance of himself.
At best, he is a charlatan or babbler.
What do you say my learned friend, Alfred J. Rebello? |
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| Puttur Dinesh, USA |
Jan 26, 2010 |
Shaikh Rahmatulla
Just FYI there are other religions in the world which see the spirit of God in everything he has created.
God would not be happy if someone insults his creations, so choose your words.
Can we stop this relgious debate I am just sick, I would rather watch a movie by silk Smitha or shakeel (I hope I am right abt the names), instead of reading religious stuff on the forum. |
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| Guru, India |
Jan 26, 2010 |
Tiger Rajaram,
What is great of being US educated? Manmohan Singh or Chidambaram?
If they do not care for the people of this country but sell mother India to multi-nationals, their economics is not arth-shastra.
The ecos and nomas should stand for the benefit of all and not of few.
Amassing wealth in the hands of few does take us back to Ravana rajya or indicative of Kamsa Rajya. That is not economics.
I remember the days of slavery and exploitation when Jesus was born. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Jan 26, 2010 |
| The newer version of Mile Sur mera tumhara is released. It is known as Phir Mile Sur. A R Rehman is shown with finger board at the beginning. Majestic Amitabh is shown starting the song. I am yet to see the full song. The complete review to follow. Appears promising. |
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| HP, France |
Jan 26, 2010 |
.....heard in the streets around 5th Avenue..."ten thousand villages"
"is my sandwich well done....have you toasted and buttered my order yet"....
....I am slicing tomatoes....
-two investment bankers ordering as above..
the first one....hey, Bill..."I did lots of things in life....earned tons of money. But, I did not find happiness and love that I longed and worked for.
the second...."I was about to say that"..
Sirs, your orders are ready...just a thought "you failed to develop villages and sure to find happiness there" !!!
the first one "I am not sure if this boy did not forget my favourite sauce as well as Louisiana sauce which I specially requested".
Let us go to the nearby park and enjoy what he has done...and said. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Jan 26, 2010 |
Personally I myself inspite of my own high level of education and management background do not consider worthy enough even to polish their shoes.
-Tiger
Don't worry Tiger. There is a huge Q for that already.:) |
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| Alfred J. Rebello, Dubai,, UAE |
Jan 26, 2010 |
What is your success story??? NS on P Chidambaran
NS, he has become minister many times and still a home minister and doing his job at his best. This would not have happened if he was not a success. Again, when the whole world was recessing, India stood firm on recession and at that time PC was Finance Minister. By the way, what is your success? |
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| Alfred J. Rebello, Dubai,, UAE |
Jan 26, 2010 |
I can not say Christianity is a cruel religion just because some Christians killed 6 million jews and one million Iraqis and and thousands of Afghanistan - Shaikh Rehmatulla.
Shaikh, what you have to say Muslims killing Muslims? They are also not so cruel? |
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| Alfred J. Rebello, Dubai, , UAE |
Jan 26, 2010 |
And in Pakistan the government has already declared qadiyanis as non muslims, so it is now high time the shias be declared non muslims by the majority Sunni muslims all over the world. In any case shia are just handful in number and insignificant. _ Sheikh Rehmatulla, Saudi Arabia.
I could imagine the wisdom of this man. He seperates muslims themselves calling Shias and Sunnies. And if at all the world is suffering, it is because of this. In Iraq, these two tribes do not see eye to eye. Such enmity. Otherwise today, Iraq would have been a peaceful country. And who is responsible, the preachers. If all preachers had to preach we are all one, only the paths are different, the world would have suffered like this? |
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| Tiger Rajaram, Udipi, , India |
Jan 26, 2010 |
Mr. Pai, You are only working in the USA but you are not educated nor are you as eminent as the US educated Mr. Chidambaram and the Economist of world repute Dr. Manmohan Singh. Mr. Chidambaram also hails from an aristocratic industrial family background and certainly would know what he is talking about. And aren't these two gentlemen along with the late Narasimha Rao the ex-Oxford Professor who started liberisation process in India...? Personally I myself inspite of my own high level of education and management background do not consider worthy enough even to polish their shoes.
We should restrain ourselves from running down the national leaders (both ruling party or opposition) that too from a foreign soil under the statue of Liberty. |
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| Puttur Dinesh, USA |
Jan 26, 2010 |
Shareef Moidin
Are you Mulla or Mutawwa in Saudi Arabia, you seem to eat, live and sleep Islam man.
Over intoxication leads to liver damage and too much relgion leads to brain damage, so please cut it down, If Saudi were a Christian country they would chop your head on sunday for professing Islam on a forum.
Stop it man there are other important issues to discuss. |
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| Guru, India |
Jan 26, 2010 |
"it will surely change the misunderstanding about the religion. " -Shareef Moideen
Yes, I do agree with you Shareef. As D P Kumar once wrote, we need to take common things in different religions for the better understanding. After that I also started reading quran and Bible in my spare times.
Even though you follow a religion originated elsewhere, you will find difference in language, dressing, culture etc between you and Arabs. Yet, there is apparently a common bond of belief. |
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| Shareef Moideen, Mangalore/Jeddah, Saudi Arabia |
Jan 26, 2010 |
Your silence on this major religious matter is deafening O Moideen saabji! Kuripayaa kuch vichaar farmayiye. Nahin toh sab samjenge ki aap ko impurity pasand hai - Shenoy R
Thanks for your personal interest Shenoy, refer to my earlier comment to Dr. Raj Australia where I have made distinction between Shia and Sunni. |
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| Guru, India |
Jan 26, 2010 |
Shareef Moideen,
Just look at what is basically common in Budhism, Jainism and Sikhism with Vedas.
As example, I just quote the followingabout OM or AUM:
Guru Nanak dev ji writes that, "From Onkaar, the One Universal Creator God, Brahma was created. He kept Ongkaar in his consciousness. From Ongkaar, the mountains and the ages were created. Onkaar created the Vedas.
Khushwant Singh writes that, "The concept of om,...as in Hinduism, is crystallized in Sikh theology and is given a status of symbol - the symbol of God." The singularity of God is expressed in the saying, Ek Onkar
("There is one God"). Guru Nanak's teaching about God is summed in the Sikh Mool Mantra.
OM has same values in Budhism and Jainism as well.
But this OM is not having similar presence in Judaism, Christianity or Islam. |
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| Shareef Moideen, Mangalore/Jeddah, Saudi Arabia |
Jan 26, 2010 |
| Shenoy, I do work for a MNC based in a country located on the Scandinavian Peninsula in northern Europe, not only in Saudi Arabia all over the world we have to work whether what we see and hear and I am not permanently based in Saudi I do commute a lot to our headquarters. So I don’t always see what is happening in Saudi Arabia only hear. |
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| Shareef Moideen, Mangalore/Jeddah, Saudi Arabia |
Jan 26, 2010 |
How many people change their religion by hearing so much of religion talk. Would you know? - Ashok S.
I am not interested to know and don't care how many have changed their religion, but it will surely change the misunderstanding about the religion. |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Jan 25, 2010 |
Nagendra maam, I know that you are still a bachelor. Marry the girl who loves you - Shenoy
Shenoy Maam, I can marry only one girl in my lifetime if at all I decide to get married :-) |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Jan 25, 2010 |
"However, in common parlance, Hinduism is a blanket term for an assortment of religious beliefs, most of which are based on the Vedas, the Upanishads and the Bhagavad Gita. Please correct me if I am wrong." - Shareef Moideen, USA.
That's a good way to explain the religious belief system you see in sub-continent. Instead of fighting different traditions, cultures and Gods, we simply accepted them and made them all part of 'sanathana dharma'. That's what you see in the case of 'bhoota' aradhana of Tulunaadu or other local traditions you see all over India - They have all become part of Hindu dharma today. That's why a Hindu doesn't think twice about visiting a Gurudwara or Jain basadi.
Usually those groups who believe in the concept of 'true god Vs false god' tend to be more aggressive and confrontational. |
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| Ashok S, UAE |
Jan 25, 2010 |
"UAE is better than many other gulf countries I am told" - Shenoy R.
Shenoy,
Like everywhere else in the world, I am sure you already know that the view and feel-good-factor changes depending on the street and the suburb.
Dubai is only worse.
The Human Rights Watch report of Nov 2006 ("Building Towers, Cheating Workers") covers it very accurately. www.hrw.org/reports/2006/uae1106/uae1106web.pdf.
It looks like the Indian papers have no time for the Gulf labourer issues. Even if they did, they would not receive any responses from the Dubai Sheikhs.
Sheikhs are too busy preparing for the next Burj Dubai. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Jan 25, 2010 |
why do we need a government at the centre? For post mortem of terrorist attacks?-Guru
Don't be so pessimistic Guru.Manmohanji has some aces up his sleeve. He will hopefully display them when his turn comes.This is a coalition government. Sharad Pawar is from NCP faction of UPA.So he will not be dictated by the Madame.If Cong I gets majority next time around, you may expect some improvements in administration. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Jan 25, 2010 |
but hardly anybody involved in the violence has been thrown in jail. -Marlon
Jail is already house full with people like Afzal. Gottayito Guru? |
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| Ashok S, UAE |
Jan 25, 2010 |
"Hinduism is a blanket term for an assortment of religious beliefs" - Shareef
Shareef,
They say great people think alike. I came across the same words from Zakir Naik as well.
http://www.islam101.com/religions/hinduism/introHinduism.htm
I have always wanted to know how many people change their religion by hearing so much of religion talk. Would you know? |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Jan 25, 2010 |
Sunnis who form the majority are the impure form of Islam.
-Habib
Shaik saab, what is this? Yeh kya ho raha hai? Kuch toh boliye naa. Your silence on this major religious matter is deafening O Moideen saabji! Kuripayaa kuch vichaar farmayiye. Nahin toh sab samjenge ki aap ko impurity pasand hai.
PS: Sunnis are called so because of sunnat. Why are shias called Shias? Any idea? Do they believe that sunnat se jannat nahin hai.? |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Jan 25, 2010 |
A small piece of flesh inside the mouth does two things; -AS Mathew
Actually it does more than two things.
Mathew 11:45 [PM] |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Jan 25, 2010 |
Has anyone come across the term 'Bahupativallabhe'?
-Nagendra maam
Have you read Mahabhaarat? Draupadi had 5 husbands. Nilagiri hills has a tribe called Thodas. Their women practice polyandry or bahu whatever you said.
Now coming to Varadakshine, it is a common practice in most of the communities in India. In Bunts, we see the highest dowry. Andhra Vaishyas also have this high dowry system. Some well off GSB families have this system too. Olden days when the girls were married off, majority of them had no jobs. Many had no college education. The father of the bride used to give gold as 'apat dhana' meaning some reserve fund in case of dire emergency situation. The bridegroom may become sick and jobless, he may die etc. The gold was suppossed to help the bride and not the groom. The expenses of marriage are split between parties in some communities. Modern day marriages are less conventional with non traditional personal type invitations. No presents please came into practice for the first time amongst the GSB families. Early sixties onwards, none of the GSB weddings had presents or gifts whereas Bunts still have the custom of presents and gifts.
I am not familiar with muslim weddings. I know that it is called as Nikah.
I had a chance to attend a Catholic wedding. The bride was extremely beautiul in her wedding gown. She actually resembled Parveen Babi. The wedding took place at Mother of Sorrows Church in Udupi. I was invited. I attended. I took some modest gift. Bride and the groom were happy for my presence. The food was delicious.
Nagendra maam, I know that you are still a bachelor. Marry the girl who loves you.
PS:Take elder's permission before you say yes to the girl.
PPS:Make sure that your would be bride knows how to make some GSB dishes at least. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Jan 25, 2010 |
but a lot of people were ready to take the sword and kill somebody after hearing his firey speech.
-A S Mathew
Lots of lovely fertile imagination Mr Mathew. Mr Varun GANDHI has learnt few lessons from his earlier mistakes. BJP also has learnt. So they avoided any unpleasant situations. He is a youngster and has lots of fan following just the way his dad had fan following when he was Youth Cong I member. Do you remember that? |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Jan 25, 2010 |
Are the Indian lives in UAE are less valuable than in Australia?-Puttur Dinesh maam bowling a neat yorker at the batsman/batswoman
UAE is better than many other gulf countries I am told. It is much better than Saudi apparently. Baharain is considered the best of all. People have gone there to earn their bread/roti/saapaad or whatever you call it. There is no question of not liking what they see and hear. If one leaves, 10 are there waiting for that job. Ask Shareef Moideen. He will tell you his story.
PS:Mirages are common in the desert. Many live by looking at the mirages. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Jan 25, 2010 |
Mr. Bhat, Thanks for your kind post -Mr Shenoy
Something tells me that Mr Bhat is from Canara High School Urva. [Bantwal Bhat] |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Jan 25, 2010 |
"the God ( Allah) will never forgive the human being who is worshiping other than him" - Sameer, UAE.
Dear Sameer,
Do you think that there is a place for such thoughts in today's pluralistic society? Do you also know why modern society (mainly in europe and north america) moved far away from organized religion?
Well, think about those questions - Answers are quite obvious. |
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| Shareef Moideen, Mangalore/Jeddah, Saudi Arabia |
Jan 25, 2010 |
Guru,
‘Hindu’ is actually a Persian word that stands for the inhabitants of the region beyond the Indus Valley. However, in common parlance, Hinduism is a blanket term for an assortment of religious beliefs, most of which are based on the Vedas, the Upanishads and the Bhagavad Gita. Please correct me if I am wrong.
The Buddhists, Jains and Sikhs are explicitly included in the “Hindus by law” but separated from the “Hindus by religion” and regarding the conversion “silence” means consent. |
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| bridget carlo, UAE |
Jan 25, 2010 |
| congratulations. dear lenny. i am very proud of you and continue your good work. god bless u n your family. |
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| D.P.Kumar, India |
Jan 25, 2010 |
Mohammad,
U R 200 percent right in writing "....humans are starving with no food......brainless creatures on earth. "
Yet, they vote congress and UPA. |
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| D.P.Kumar, India |
Jan 25, 2010 |
Vinod,
U r reminding pub culture and events.
You say that the Govt allows Pubs. Why someone should object to others going there. Right point.
I also wonder sometimes.
Selling cards is no offense. Playing cards is presumed as an offense in our area. Police arrest whoever they feel with cards and cash!!
Is everyone playing cards is gambling? Yet, they run the risk!
Playing in BSE/NSE on shares and futures is no gambling for the Government. The police arrest only people with least cash of less tah hundred. Not those playing with lakhs and cores!
Is prostitution an offense? It may be soliciting lonely persons to get relieved of their tension, pains, agony..etc. Is it an offense? But they arrest the poor hungry ones. Publish their names in the newspapers. But those expensive ones in higher circles and around multi-rich circles get honoured!!
Have you heard of Kori katta? Cock fight.
I have read reports of police arresting persons watching or moving in the area said to have been reported as a cock fight had taken place!
But no one arrests those who DIRECTLY fight (LIKE WWF) in Parliament and assemblies throwing chairs, pulling mikes, tearing shirts etc.
You know the sadest day in my life was last month when our DC announced a fine of Rs. 5000 for drinking in public places! Our Maidan Kudukara sangha disintegrated on the same day. Now, we do not mourn our deaths. We have stopped even smiles at this old age. The street dogs feel pity at us whenever we walk along the road during day time.
BTW, what happened 2 Madhu Koda?
The person who received suitcase from P.V.N. Rao is today Chief Minister. Have U heard of Shibu Soren?
Do u know -after Abdul Kalam, Rahul Gandhi is the "Most popular Indian" as per survey of CNN/IBN?
Who says Rajdeep Sardesai receives money and sponsors politicians? He gives you only choice 1,2, 3. You decide????
In the meanwhile, dear Advaniji and Gadkari have forgotten those Billions in Swiss Bank which can make India hungerless! |
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| Puttur Dinesh, USA |
Jan 25, 2010 |
Folks I was reading about Human rights in Dubai.
I am surprised that Indians have been putting up with all kinds of discrimination while slamming Australia for every incident that is potrayed by Media.
Why are these double standards, Doesn't Indian government have enough guts to stand up to UAE government? Are the Indian lives in UAE are less valuable than in Australia? |
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| Asha Rai, UAE |
Jan 25, 2010 |
how come you forget the Christians…they certainly are not saints…at least in my part of the country, " Kitly Dhot, Bangaar, Kapdam ani Asth (property) ditay" is the first question asked @ tiger'jee
tiger'jee raja'jee aur tigress rani'jee, tho kaal gelo putha! aaj kal they poora isarlyar, gandik laath melonk asa! maka kazar zaun vees (20) vorsan zalin ani moja garkaran moja avoi bapoi' kade ek paiso saith isarunk na.
manglur'cha kancha mulyanth asai thu tiger and tigress'jee?
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| Alfred J. Rebello, Dubai,, UAE |
Jan 25, 2010 |
Shia Islam is the most purest form of Islam. Incidentally Sunnis who form the majority are the impure form of Islam.
- Habib Hussain.
Habib, you being a muslim, have such an impression on your own religion, what about others. You are segregating your own faith, calling them Shias and Sunnies. If Shia Islam is the most purest, then why they kill other fellow Muslims in Iraq? All are Allah's (I call him GOD) creations and let us not segregate ourselves. Your mentality is very dangerous for the unity of the human beings. Yes, it is not your mistake fully but of those who told you that also. Sometime back, I said, I do not believe 90% of the preachers and you know why? This is the reason. They preach religion and sect, claiming theirs is the best, rather true message of God or Allah.
Habib, some claim their culture is the best culture but for me respecting every human being is the best culture. |
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| Arshad A, Qatar |
Jan 25, 2010 |
Dear Mr. Ganesh Bhai
I am sure you did not read the report properly. First of all this foundation stone laying ceremony was not at DK. It was at Udupi city.
Secondly, this is not an additional mosque built at Udupi. It is just a new structure coming up after demolition of the old structure.
And lastly, you are talking about helping poor instead of building mosques everywhere. I think your calculation went wrong comparing to other Holy structures in and around every corner of every city and villages. I am sure you are not aware of such counts or you cannot remember the count. God is for all relegion, not only for Muslims dear Mr. Ganesh Bhai. |
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| DONY LOBO, Milagres, Doha, Qatar |
Jan 25, 2010 |
"Please can anyone give me address, or email or contact numbers of Late VOKIL KAITHAN LOBOs family members"...Lambert Alvares
Dear Mr.Alvares,
Thanks for your enquiry and I have the pleasure to introduce myself as the Son of Late VOKIL KAITHAN LOBO. Please feel free to get in touch in my email address lobodony4@gmail.com
Thank you once again and thanks to Editor of Mangalorean.com. |
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| Bonnie, USA |
Jan 25, 2010 |
I being a citizen of a free country and intend to live peacefully with the members of all communities irrespective of caste and creed -Placid
Good for you. Since you you want to appear as a prude, do not foist your morality on others. If you want to fawn in servitude to whom you consider as guardians of peace, that is your choice, but do not try to give discourse to others on how the things ought not to be. Spare the rest of us from reading the undercurrent of your quixotic ideals.
If there is no freedom in America as you say, have you ever wondered as to why so many people flock to America - to live in slavery?
And those who migrate to USA, do not prostrate in servitude to others and they claim all the privileges granted by the state under the constitution as their birth right. |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Jan 25, 2010 |
Guru,
How did the concept of 'Vara DakshiNe' originate? Why was it given?
Why do the bride's side look after a majority of the marriage expenses?
Note - In today's world where women are also equally qualified as men, will the concept of 'Vadhu DakshiNe' originate? Has anyone come across the term 'Bahupativallabhe'?
Awaiting reply from anyone who knows about it. |
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| Vinod, India |
Jan 25, 2010 |
It is already one year today since the attack on women in a pub in Mangalore by member of the Sri Rama Sena - an attack caught on camera and shown on television channels across the country. Unfortunately a year after the vicious attack, all the 30 accused are out on bail. There are lots of Indians who like to have a drink in a pub and in a bar. If some people do not want to drink, it is their choice. Every human being has given a brain by god and most of us are well equipped to make choices that affect us using our brain. If there was a pub or there is a bar today, it is because our country allows it to exist and it is within the legal parameters. If some women were enjoying in a pub, it is because of their choice, within the allowable limits of our law.
People who have attacked women clearly have no civic sense or they can't make the distinction between uncivilized behaviour vs. civilized behaviour. When there is an established law of the country, no cultural organization has the authority or right to overrule the law.
If people are not allowed to make choices within the democratic parameter of our country, it is a shame that some of our own countrymen think our fellow citizens have no brain to make their choices within the legal and democratic parameters of our country. A shame indeed.! |
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| Steve, Australia |
Jan 25, 2010 |
Bureau of statistics numbers based on census (see the link below) does not really reflect how many attend the church and/or practice their religion.
It has been reported that no more than 15% of any of these denominations ever attend a church. So the statistics talk does not help much.
http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/abs@.nsf/bb8db737e2af84b8ca2571780015701e/bfdda1ca506d6cfaca2570de0014496e!OpenDocument
The newer migrants from Italy, Poland, Philippines and India have contributed to the Catholic numbers. The first generation migrants' only social life is attending the church. |
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| Placid Gregory, Mangalore, India |
Jan 25, 2010 |
Stop being a huckster of morality - BONNIE.
If I am not mistaken, the above statement rightly applies to you only, being in a foreign country, at the mercy of Americans to eke out a living. I live in INDIA, work in INDIA and proud to be an INDIAN. If you are an emigrant Indian, better remember, come what may, you will not be able to change your identity even by acquiring a citizenship of the country of domicile. You will always be considered an Indian which ever part of the globe you go. Hope you have not forgotten how people like you will be bestowed with the title -'Bxxxxx Injun' by the racists.
I being a citizen of a free country and intend to live peacefully with the members of all communities irrespective of caste and creed, have penned my comments in response to some of the offensive comments made by members of our community and quoted from the Bible to avoid unnecessary conflicts. Please don't be so mean to use your vocabulary in mudslinging. Use it for a better purpose. |
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| N.S.Shenoy, India |
Jan 25, 2010 |
During vedic times, the dowry was by way of cows and horses in hundreds and thousands.-Guru on dowry.
Guru, I remember one person amongst contemporary politicians who would love to take cows as dowry. Can you name him?
Lalu Prasad Yadav.
He is one who feeds cows, milks them, give them bath and chaara, removes the dung too.
He loves cows.
At the same time, I do not remember anywhere he is supporting anti-cow slaughter act. |
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| Shareef Moideen, Mangalore/Jeddah, Saudi Arabia |
Jan 25, 2010 |
| Religion is based on scriptures so you have to give the verse chapter and verse number, I didn’t neither mudsling on your religion and harassed decent people on this forum. I didn’t comment on each and every comment. I am not happy if someone hijacks the plane and the lashes on a 13 years old girl, I have said what I have to tell to my friends in my personal blog about the judgment, I consider it is inhumane and I know what is civilization I don’t need to take it from you. Again, you are wrong Shenoy Europe doesn’t mean Germany there are other European states. I know the reason for your assumption; you better keep wondering the countries I visited in Europe recently. |
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| Guru, India |
Jan 25, 2010 |
Shahab,
I thank you for your enlightened views. Since 1950's different states in India have enacted rules governing cow slaughter. If I am not wrong, except for Kerala almost all states have formulated the rules.
But none appear to enact and act how to look after the old and dried cattle and by whom. Without any cover to look after them what use prohibiting cow slaughter is still a question looms large.
As regarding Love Jihad also what you say is correct. The word is just coined to identify cases of luring and taking girls from non-muslim communities. There is no other alternative word either! |
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| TIGER RAJARAM, UDIPI, India |
Jan 25, 2010 |
"accepting or demanding dowry in India is banned but still it is taken by Hindu and Muslims,-"Krishna Shetty
All that glitters in not gold……how come you forget the Christians…they certainly are not saints…at least in my part of the country, " Kitly Dhot, Bangaar, Kapdam ani Asth (property) ditay" is the first question asked even before the boy and the girl see each other in traditional families and before parents give their consent if it is asked by those who are in love to get married. Vehicle (scooter or car) and other things follow.
"Money, Money and only Money talks in this world" and like terrorism, rape and murder for greed, money too has no religion. Dont be surprised that a large majority of the people in this world even worship Money more than even God, and even hide money in mattresses or underground. |
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| Shareef Moideen, Mangalore/Jeddah, Saudi Arabia |
Jan 25, 2010 |
| Yes, spokesperson because your name doesn’t reveal the gender. There is no phobia and I will not comment on any organization conducting religious gathering it is their constitutional rights, when a gathering of certain community they should focus on their business rather than criticizing followers of other religions, it was “ Hindu” gathering, let them focus on the Hindu religion. |
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| Guru, India |
Jan 25, 2010 |
Is Hindu religion bereft of any issues, that he is worried of Muslim religion?-Nihad
You are well in order in questioning. What business Hindu Samajotsav has to do with shariat and Burkha? They should have looked in to issues of Hindu samaj only. |
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| Guru, India |
Jan 25, 2010 |
If BD members are true patriotic people, let them go to Jammu & Kashmir and fight against terrorists! I am 100 percent sure, these cowards will not do that."-Krishna Achar critical of Hindu Samajotsav.
Dear Sir, You have a very valid point. A " true patriot" has to go to Jammu and Kashmir and fight against terrorism.
I am sure, you are a true patriot. Please explain your experience and achievements to BD people and guide them how to fight and come back to Bangalore. |
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| Guru, India |
Jan 25, 2010 |
Shareef Moideen,
You are confusing yourselves by questions like "Which Hindu scripture tells that it doesn’t accept conversion?"
Hindu is a way of life and not a religion like Judaism, Pharsi, Islam or Christianity.
The "silence" about conversion is the best answer in any scripture. Unbeliever in God or particular idol is also considered a Hindu. Example is Buddhism, Sikhism, Jainism. The athiest charavakas also included in this broad way of life of Hindu.
As stated by someone earlier in this forum, Hindu laws formulated by Dr.B.R.Ambedkar defined Hindu as one who is not a Muslim, christian, Jew or Pharsee.
I hope, you will remember this.
As regarding cow slaughter also all Hindus need not agree to what is being moved of late. |
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| Guru, India |
Jan 24, 2010 |
accepting or demanding dowry in India is banned but still it is taken by Hindu and Muslims-krishna shetty
Why exempt christians? Do you know they have dowry system in Kerala unparellel to any others?
Why Alukkas, Jose, Malabar Gold and hundreds other in gold jewellery business flourish in Kerala? It is the charm of gold, diamond jewellery for marriages!
During vedic times, the dowry was by way of cows and horses in hundreds and thousands. But now we don'nt have that many horses nor cows;-)) |
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| Puttur Dinesh, USA |
Jan 24, 2010 |
Matthew.
I am trying to be as unbiased as possible. As a free country, Indian Hindus have the full right to have samajothsavas like Christians and Muslims (Eucharistic procession, kristhajayanthi 2000, Ullal Urus, Blocking traffic at Bavutagudde on Eid and fridays)
I think we all get paranoid when hindus gather in large number as if they are going to kill all the minority, in reality they might be having a peaceful gathering to show thier strength and unity.
As long as It does not violate any laws or harm anyone, meeting by any community whether Hindus, Muslim or Christian should be ok, that is their constitutional right.
On the other hand if organizations like Bajrang Dal, who were involved in church/minority attacks are a part of this Utsav and if the local politicians take part in such celebrations it would make them co conspirators in the past and future attacks conducted by Baj Rang Dal.
(It is for the politicians to choose the sides. The time to get them would be when the apply for visa to US, Uncle Sam's Whip is really powerful, Modi has understood that well. A well informed global citizen can work wonders with the power of internet.)
Also it is for rest of the Hindu population to weed out the terrorists from their religion and not associate with any organization that causes communal disharmony. Majority Hindus are peace loving, if not Christains and Muslims India would not flourish, Pakistan is the best evidence.
So the conclusion is, a peaceful religious gathering is nothing to be afraid of, it would be nice if Christians and Muslim youth do some volunteer work for Hindu festivals. |
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| Guru, India |
Jan 24, 2010 |
George Fernandes being treated for Alzheimer's by Yoga Guru Ramdev.
NEWS: PTI report
Haridwar, Jan 19: In the midst of a battle over him, former Defence Minister George Fernandes, who is suffering from Alzheimer's and Parkinson's diseases, has been brought here for treatment at Yoga Guru Ramdev's ashram.
The 79-year-old JD(U) member of Rajya Sabha, "is under ayurvedic medication at the Patanjali Yogpeeth for past four days," according to the ashram's General Secretary Acharya Balakrishna.
"We are giving him ayurvedic and yogic treatment," he said.
Fernandes, who is suffering from central nervous system problems, will stay in the Ashram for some more days, he said.
The former NDA convenor was brought here from Delhi by his estranged wife Leila Kabir and some close associates of the veteran socialist leader. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Jan 24, 2010 |
Late Ujire Ramanath Prabhu(Photographer) -Mr Shenoy
He was a very good photographer of those days.I also remember that baby elephant in Ujire.They used to call it 'Ramanaathaali hasti'.May his soul rest in peace. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Jan 24, 2010 |
Please enlighten with chapter and verse number. -S M
No need to provide verse and chapter for a well known fact.Mr Moideen, why don't you focus on your 'religion' and stop harassing decent people of this forum? The world is going through so much of turmoil. But it doesn't seem to bother you. Do you read news papers? Are you happy when some fanatics hijack a plane and try to blow up buildings and take lives? You are living in a country which does not hesitate to put lashes on a 13 y old girl.That is civilisation for you.We know better.If you want any support from any one, you will get it.It is from Germany which you visited recently. |
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| Kiran, USA |
Jan 24, 2010 |
India does not have any laws to protect the lives of our citizens from the unnecessary religious vioence or discrimination of people based on the caste, religion or sex. -- PD
Are you joking ? You cannot be serious. No wonder you say you are surprised (or not).
India has plenty of laws.....enforcement is another matter. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Jan 24, 2010 |
accepting or demanding dowry in India is banned but still it is taken by Hindu and Muslims,-Krishna Shetty
Look who is talking.:) |
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| Puttur Dinesh, USA |
Jan 24, 2010 |
Folks on EYT
This is something that everyone has to watch, whoever did this is really brilliant. There are two videos, one is Argentinian, second Amercian. It's really cool.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42E2fAWM6rA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFz5jbUfJbk
let me know what you think? |
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| Lancy, India |
Jan 24, 2010 |
I am with the wife and Son, the brothers should stay away. -Puttur Maamus bolthoi
@Puttur maamus, if you are with the wife and son, other's case is hopeless. Kaale ulaita saiba Puttur porbu! |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Jan 24, 2010 |
So you are spokesperson for him-S M
Spokesperson? May be. Go ahead and make your wild guesses. Did any untoward incident happen? Why the phobia of an organisation which had its meeting? |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Jan 24, 2010 |
my only question is when Hindus In Gujrath, or Muslims in Kashmir or Christians in North East have no second thoughts about killing people of other faith- Puttur Dinesh
Jai ho Dinesh bhai. You are truly secular. I will definitely vote for you if you contest from Mangalore seat next time.
PS: Just check with Prof Thirumala Raya if it is worth it though.
PPS: Don't check with Kuntikanamata Kumar. He will misguide you. |
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| Shareef Moideen, Mangalore/Jeddah, Saudi Arabia |
Jan 24, 2010 |
| So you are spokesperson for him |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Jan 24, 2010 |
why Prakash Sharma can’t go and tell President Pratibha Patel covered from head to toe to get liberated by not covering herself.-S M
He tried. But the big lady is contacting a German Shepherd about hints on modern dressing. |
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| Puttur DInesh, USA |
Jan 24, 2010 |
Dude There is nothing silly here.
All I am saying is we need a Middle of the road approach, there might be global warming, it does not mean that we stop living. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Jan 24, 2010 |
It is more to do with the food habits of Hindus themselves, who are not counted amongst the high and mighty. -Jacintha
Sounds crafty and full of venom and contemptuous from a person living in a predominantly Hindu country and likely finding her roots in that same uncounted Hindu brethern. |
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| Puttur Dinesh, USA |
Jan 24, 2010 |
Mr Bhat
Thanks for the info. You are right, the cows in Claifornia and Wisconsin are much better looking and well fed than the ones that appears on the streets of India. I don't know if it is due to chemicals used in US or Indian cattle owners not feeding them well.
On the other hand I agree that Hindu sentiments need to be taken into consideration, my only question is when Hindus In Gujrath, or Muslims in Kashmir or Christians in North East have no second thoughts about killing people of other faith, is it really worth saving a cow?.
Don't you think we need laws in place to protect people before animals. |
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| Shareef Moideen, Mangalore/Jeddah, Saudi Arabia |
Jan 24, 2010 |
| Which Hindu scripture tells that it doesn’t accept conversion? Please enlighten with chapter and verse number. |
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| K.Sunil Nair ... Kochi, India |
Jan 24, 2010 |
| Dear, No body is unwanted in this big bad mad world ok. If possible Try to help those organisations like "People For Animals" etc who are trying to save animals. The animals who are taken in cramped trucks for slaughtering, if u c them crying, in your lifetime you would never eat their meat. So try to become a vegetarian. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Jan 24, 2010 |
then I would have been Hindu, -S M
Hinduism does not accept conversions. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Jan 24, 2010 |
13 Crores worth property!-S Shetty
That is nothing much by current standards Mr Shetty. Especially when you consider how much an ordinary MLA or minister makes in a short time, that amount of property is not much. George might have bought land when it was reasonably priced. The land in Bangalore has appreciated almost 100 times in some areas over the last 15 years. |
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| M.R.Bhat, India |
Jan 24, 2010 |
Puttur Dinesh,
On cows by Gandhi:
Then, how can the cow be save without having to kill her off when she ceases to give the economic quantity of milk or when one becomes otherwise an uneconomic burden? The answer to the question can be summed up as follows:
1. By the Hindus performing their duty towards the cow and her progeny. If they did so, our cattle would be the pride of India and the world. The contrary is the case today.
2. By learning the science of cattle-breeding. Today there is perfect anarchy in this work.
3. By replacing the present cruel method of castration by the humane method practiced in the West.
4. By thorough reform of the pinjrapoles [institutions for aged cows] of India which are today, as a rule, managed ignorantly and without any plan by men who do not know their work.
5. When these primary things are done, it will be found that the Muslims will, of their own accord, recognize the necessity, if only for the sake of their Hindus brethren, of not slaughtering cattle for beef or otherwise.
The reader will observe that behind the foregoing requirements lies one thing and that is ahimsa, otherwise known as universal compassion. If that supreme thing is realized, everything else becomes easy. Where there is ahimsa, there is infinite patience, inner calm, discrimination, self-sacrifice and true knowledge. (H, 31-8-1947, p. 300) |
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| DONY LOBO, Milagres, Doha, Qatar |
Jan 24, 2010 |
But gone where? Anybody can give true Account?- Alfred J. Rebello, Dubai,, UAE: [ RE: News in brief: K'taka received Rs 1952.59 crore from Centre -}
May be improvised Zardari syndrome in action !!!! 10% or more…!!! |
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| DONY LOBO, Milagres, Doha, Qatar |
Jan 24, 2010 |
No amount of Appreciation will equal the great and supreme Contributions of all the Tulu Koota Members right from the hardworking and sincere President, the Committee members and everyone for the exceptionally superb occasion, with traditional food all of which made everyone feel "at home" even though we are far away from home. And special word for the stunning performance of Ms.Della Rego. She (recently she performed in a Konkany play as well) reminds me of some of the great Shakespearian charactors like Hamlet (of "To be or not to be" fame)and even the great Mark Antony (of "Friends, Romans and Countrymen" speech fame from Julius Ceaser).
My only request is that Food Festivals should to be organised everymonth....at least that will satisfy my great desire for Kori Sukka and Goli Bajjes.
Tulu Koota - God Bless You...!!! |
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| Bonnie, USA |
Jan 24, 2010 |
Let us remember what is written in the Bible and not offend and hurt others feelings but wish them good. -Placid,
Placid,
Stop being a huckster of morality, I assume you can find a better profession than that. Yes, I can hear your caterwauling in discomfort. It may not be a good choice to throw lasso at others, from the roof top being a fiddler of morals; who knows you might very well be caught up in the same snare.
Shove it up man .. afterall you may find some buyers... |
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| M.R.Bhat, India |
Jan 24, 2010 |
Akram, what you wrote as "most of the upper cast (brahimins) dominated institutes and departments is of decent view.
It is unfortunate that you write uncalled for things. Are you testing the patience and awaiting rebuttal with response that you people dominate in robbing, cheating, smuggling etc,!
May I hope, in this forum people avoid writing on caste and creed basis? |
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| Puttur Dinesh, USA |
Jan 24, 2010 |
"Cow protection is more important than even Swaraj."
It is hard to believe Mahatma said this, however I have the greatest admiration for Gandhi.
It is pathetic when a nation cares more about it's cows than it's people. India does not have any laws to protect the lives of our citizens from the unnecessary religious vioence or discrimination of people based on the caste, religion or sex. But Indian is planning a law to protect cows.
Nothing surprises me anymore. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Jan 23, 2010 |
Govindaan Govinda...
Govindaa..-Govindaraja Prabhu
Prabhu maam likes the sound of his name very much it appears.:) |
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| Bonnie, USA |
Jan 23, 2010 |
Mexican economy is greatly interlocked
with the U.S., and anything happens
is the U.S. can impact Mexico overnight. - Mathew
The problem with Mexico is not lack of resources, as always it is the political culture, where corruption rules the roost.
The people of Mexico need to change the way they see the world today as opposed to seeing everything from an agrarian angle, which is marrying early and having children who they can not support. They should focus more on education than just doing daily jobs( there is nothing wrong in that, I am not talking from the point of view of dignity of labor).
If what I hear is true,then there is very little hope for Mexico as the drug lords are running the show and it is very difficult and virtually impossible to rein in these drug lords.
Mexico, Iraq along with Nigeria are the only few countries which are resource rich. Saudi may have lot of oil but it does not have any agriculture or water resources. These three countries are bestowed with oil, other minerals and agricultural resources. Mexico is the second biggest exporter of crude oil to USA after CANADA. It has the second largest reserves of silver and also produces copper. It is the second or third largest exporter of coffee to USA.
The problem is, all three countries are cursed with a very bad body politics. The fundamental foundation of civilization is the rule of the law of the land and unless it is established, there is very little hope, no matter what resources one may have. |
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| Shareef Moideen, Mangalore/Jeddah, Saudi Arabia |
Jan 23, 2010 |
Dear Guru,
The earlier comment of mine should read as:
If you like each and every teachings of Islam then you would have accepted Islam similarly if I would have accepted each and every teachings of Hinduism then I would have been Hindu, the reason we differ is understanding.
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| Austin Prabhu, USA |
Jan 23, 2010 |
Perhaps the world should ban all the religions for at least 30 years. [Do it only at home and not outside] - Shenoy R.
Dear Shenoymam, I agree with your thoughts 100%. In the name of religion all the bad things are happening in this world including unwarranted wars and killings of innocent citizens. We are fighting to claim our God is superior to others even though there is only one God exists. God is not Christian, God is not Hindu, God is not Muslim or Jain or Budhist or Jew; God has no religion, God is just GOD and now it is time to bring peace in this world by leaving him or her alone in heaven and spend all that money we spend for Gods and saints to improve the lifestyle of humanity by helping the needy to breathe and live a happy life. |
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| Puttur Dinesh, USA |
Jan 23, 2010 |
Here are some thoughts by M.K Gandhi On Women
Gandhi on women
Woman is more fitted than man to make exploration and take bolder action in nonviolence.
There is no occasion for women to consider themselves subordinate or inferior to men.
Woman is the companion of man, gifted with equal mental capacity.
If by strength is meant moral power, then woman is immeasurably man's superior.
If nonviolence is the law of our being, the future is with women. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Jan 23, 2010 |
Mexican economy is greatly interlocked
with the U.S., and anything happens
is the U.S. can impact Mexico overnight.
-A S Mathew
N A F T A. [North American Free trade agreement] |
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| Shareef Moideen, Mangalore/Jeddah, Saudi Arabia |
Jan 23, 2010 |
Dear Guru,
The hadeeths narrated in Sahih Al-Bukhari, Ahmed, Tirmidi and Abu Huraira is to conquer evil for righteous and not to kill innocent human beings, There are several verses in the Bhagvad Gita where Krishna advises Arjun to fight and kill the enemies even though they are his relatives.
It is mentioned in The Bhagvad Gita Chapter 1 verse 43-46 and look into the reply from Shri Krishna in
Bhagvad Gita Chapter 2 Verse 2, 3
I will be a fool to use these verses as weapon to malign Hinduism; here the intention of Sri Krishna was to defeat the evil rather than inciting Arjuna to kill his cousins.
Regarding advises which are incompatible to the ethics, morals and values of this century is blown out of context and it is on human beings to understand. If you like each and every teachings of Islam then you would have accepted Hinduism similarly if I would have accepted each and every teachings of Hinduism then I would have been Hindu, the reason we differ is understanding.
Before concluding, I want to quote the verses of Holy Gita
In Chapter in Chapter 7-21, the Lord promulgates," Whatever form any devotee
With faith wishes to worship, I make that faith of his steady."
We might differ in our religious teachings understanding, but the ultimate goal is to reach the creator in whatever form as mentioned in Holy Gita. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Jan 23, 2010 |
When do you think India will be upto the US standards,- P D
AT THE CURRENT RATE, IT MAY NEVER HAPPEN FOR THE NEXT 4 GENERATIONS AT LEAST. However, some improvements may come in the next 30 years to 40 years I hope. We need good infrastructure and basic facilities like clean water, uninterrupted power supply and a green environment which only Bangalore could boast of in the sixties and seventies. We live in hope. One more thing I would like to see is stoppage of fights in the name of religion. Perhaps the world should ban all the religions for at least 30 years. [Do it only at home and not outside] |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Jan 23, 2010 |
really this time we missed taj mahal coffee and other eatables, during this years car festival.-D Mahaveer
Humn. Made me feel it brother. |
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| Alfred J. Rebello, Dubai,, UAE |
Jan 23, 2010 |
I think we should all let our girl childrens (Hindu, Muslim and Christian) study in Madrassa so that they learn how to live like a decent human being.-Abdul Nasir.
Can you guarantee all Muslim girls behind the Burqa are decent? By the way one report says 25% of the muslim girls drop out from school? why? |
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| Puttur Dinesh, USA |
Jan 23, 2010 |
Naseer Do you mean to say it is ok for Mulsim men to have girlfriends and not for non muslim women to have bfs.
The whole love Jihad issue has come up becuase muslim men cannot control themselves. Why blame some one else when your own are the culprits? |
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| Alfred J. Rebello, Dubai,, UAE |
Jan 23, 2010 |
Country comes first religion is secondary - Nithin Poojary.
Nithin, how many Indians thinks like you? For most of the Indians, religion comes first, then tribal language, then tribe, then state and in the last the Nation. Why do you think we hate each other so much? |
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| Puttur Dinesh, USA |
Jan 23, 2010 |
Shenoy Maam
I saw it on TV, a man laid dead there for the longest time. Two others were shot in the back, they were taken by the UN workers.
Now moving to our motherland, 1984, Gujrath, Mumbai attacks,26/11 people laid dead and the administration took their own sweet time to come to the rescue.
When do you think India will be upto the US standards,(I know, its not perfect) where every life is cared for unlike India or Haiti where human life has very little value. |
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| Guru, India |
Jan 23, 2010 |
Hope there will not be any tensions and untoward incidences again near this patriotic day.
Jai HInd-S.M.Rizwan.
Good thought and expectation. I join you to wish smooth sailing. |
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| Puttur Dinesh, USA |
Jan 22, 2010 |
Hey Doc, Don't you think India and many countries believe too much in religion than believing in themselves?
DO your work and leave the rest to God. I think we need a generation of Indian who believe in hard work and finding their own destiny than God and parental influence. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Jan 22, 2010 |
"Allah" already has me on the right path.
-Raj
Aap ka car kaa number 786 toh nahin? [KA 19 vagaira ke baad] |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Jan 22, 2010 |
Let us not play religion in such issues-Nihad
Excellent point Nihad. Hats off to you. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Jan 22, 2010 |
Hope "Allah" guide brothers like shenoy and Raj -Shaik etc
Thanks Shaik. Good thoughts there. Additional 3 can be expensive. Hence I am not taking your thoughts seriously. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Jan 22, 2010 |
Mr. Bhat and Shenoy, can you vouch you have never committed any blunders in your business or profession? -Cyril Moras
Don't give me biblical stories Mr Moras. I have also heard that story. Before you dared to ask that question, you should ask yourself the same question. Self righteous people are a plenty in this forum obviously. I don't owe you any explanation about my professional/personal life. My clients and my family know that. So chiill out wherever you are. |
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| Alfred J. Rebello, Dubai,, UAE |
Jan 22, 2010 |
Is this man patriotic or are his loyalties and sympathies with these Naxalites/Maoists elements? - Nelson Lewis.
Nelson, whoever seen him or his photograph know who he is. Doesn't he looks like a naxalite himself? Congress wanted put him in his place but our political system is such that such people get backing from others. Our political system is such every politician wants to benefit by hook or crook. |
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| Alfred J. Rebello, Dubai,, UAE |
Jan 22, 2010 |
Islam preahes Peace, decency and secure society. Fot that stern action must be implecated. - Abusaad, India.
Agreed. What about those who use Islam as weapon to kill and terrorise the world. What you have to say to them? For them such peace, decency and secure society is not there? What punishment they deserve? Please enlighten me. Rest on receiving your reply. |
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| Shareef Moideen, Mangalore/Jeddah, Saudi Arabia |
Jan 22, 2010 |
Nagendra,
I agree with you brother, generally Muslim youths have liking towards business and most of them continue their family business. The problem Muslim youths have in rural areas where they have deprived from education due to the motivation by their parents or community leaders. We are witnessing the growth of Muslims youths graduating from universities either male or female in cities and towns because there is encouragement from the parents because they believe that it is the only solution to excel in life. The problem is in remote parts of India, where they have their own belief and traditions that has nothing to with the religion and have no or little knowledge about the importance of the education, this sums up the percentage of children’s drop out. The community leaders should work hard to change the present scenario and contribute build future India that is developed India. Education is only solution for the problems Muslim community is facing and hope that within few years it will change. |
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| Alfred J. Rebello, Dubai,, UAE |
Jan 22, 2010 |
You throw missiles or brickbats at him, but he will not budge and stick to his guns - Nelson Lewis.
Nelson, you are right. I do not bother who says what on me because it shows their level not mine. But when it comes attacking my personality, I do not leave them. Yes, if my action is wrong, I accept it. |
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| Guru, India |
Jan 22, 2010 |
"Saudi Arabia, Shariah is the constitution. If a Muslim kills a Non-Muslim, they won’t applaud him, they execute him."-Shareef Moideen on Jihad.
Dear Shareef, either you are intepreting jihad in your own way or writing as if Saudi mullahs have accepted the new version of the Shariah.
Please read the versions by Sahih Al-Bukhari or by Abu Huraira or by Anas.
I agree that there are good advise in Shariah. But there are also advise which are uncompatible to the ethics, morals and values of this century. |
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| Cyril Moras, India |
Jan 22, 2010 |
On death certificate issued in place of birth certificate in Kerala.
Mr. Kadengodlu Shankar Bhat should have realised that the overburden and extra fields can result in mistakes.
An official who issues only birth certificates, if instructed to issue both birth and death certificates simultaneously, such mistakes can arise.
Can Mr. Bhat and R. Shenoy vouch that they never comitted any mistakes in their career?
I remember an instance in TELCO where an official has to say sorry for the "blunder" he was responsible for.
And what did the great JRD Tata told him you know?
"A part of the decisions and actions taken are bound to go wrong. If someone claims that he has not committed any mistake, it means that he has not taken any decisions, nor worked".
Mr. Bhat and Shenoy, can you vouch you have never committed any blunders in your business or profession? |
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| Nelson Lewis, Bahrain |
Jan 22, 2010 |
Mr. Shibu Soren, the Chief Minister of Jharkhand, is against any action to counter Naxalites/Maoists menace. I wonder why is this man against these operations against people who are anti-nationals? Is this man patriotic or are his loyalties and sympathies with these Naxalites/Maoists elements?
Well, I would not be surprised that this man may be coddling with these anti-national elements.
In this case, the Central Government should act tough against this man, so that he extends total cooperation, failing which, he should be got rid of. |
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| raja, Pakistan |
Jan 22, 2010 |
| he is a pakistani.. he is a terrorist.. kill him.. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Jan 22, 2010 |
How many terrorists do you know?
-Nihad
You mean personally? -None
Does 26/11 mean anything at all? |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Jan 22, 2010 |
Let him study the religion -Archana
Study religion and do what? Archana? |
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| Shareef Moideen, Mangalore/Jeddah, Saudi Arabia |
Jan 22, 2010 |
Raj,
You can find answer on you tube, just click the below link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utHBJmQIz7g&feature=video_response |
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| sunil shetty, Bahrain |
Jan 22, 2010 |
what a lovely comment!!!!!!! Thanks
sunil. |
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| Steve, Australia |
Jan 22, 2010 |
You must be tired of the racist assaults in Australia.
Take a break!
For a change, why don't you read another type of assault? Do you think the pretty lady will be punished? If the judge happens to be a male, would he laugh at the trial?
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/wife-on-murder-charge-after-husbands-penis-burnt/story-e6frf7jo-1225822535828
And one last question. Do you think if this lady had married Tiger Woods, she would have straightened him up in no time? |
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| Ashok S, UAE |
Jan 22, 2010 |
My previous message may have confused some readers.
Editor used the scissors at the wrong spot!
Muhammad ibn Abd-al-Wahhab was not Pakistani. But his companion Mohammad Hayya Al-Sindhi was one. |
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| Archana kudva , Attendorn, Germany |
Jan 22, 2010 |
you do not need to call Dear Shenoy. He do not deserve respect because he do not respect other human beings. He is only for bashing others in the name of religion, while he claim religion is nothing for him, he will learn the lesson in his life very soon. I pray Lord Ganesha to give him conscience. He tortures the human beings in the name of religion. Let him study the religion and understand that Hindu religion talks about vasudhaiva kutumbakam.
Merci /Danke |
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| Guru, India |
Jan 22, 2010 |
"When I was having business of my own many came to me for donations, when I asked for what the donation is, they said, for educating poor people, construct houses, schools and religious places etc."-Alfred J Rebello on reality behind most of the donations.
These pastors were left in the lurch by the Gospel Asia or BCI Church.
Chennai, J | |
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