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| Puttur Dinesh, USA |
Dec 11, 2009 |
Hey Roshan first ofall thanks for upholding NS shenoy's freedom to express his thoughts, as you said no one's thoughts are worthless but they are unique and show us a different perspective, I don't think Stany meant to come out that way, it's just poor choice of words. probably I do it too sometime and EYtians are more than welcome to let me know. I would correct myslef if I realizeI am wrong. I have used the word "Dog" while talking about 26/11 but it wasn't directed towards anyone, I was just frustrated by watching the documentary and Indian not doing enough to protect themsleves.
now moving to your questions.
Global warming debate.
I am interested to know opinions about a thing which is bothering me about this issue.
1.. We have evidence of glaciers melting and rise in sea level and release of carbon dioxide from burning of petroleum (fossil fuels) and other human activity. This evidence is good enough.
I don't know Al Gore speaks about all this stuff in his documenatry, but people most often are biased for example Al Gore thinks the globe is warming, he will find evidence that supports his cause, there is no other side of the story.
2. Richer nations want developing nations to curb the emissions. The very same nations used to send or still are sending their electronics waste, old ships and all those polluting substances to poorer nations (not in my back yard approach).
I think it is for the people of these countires to send the waste back to the exporting country, due to lack of political will or lack of freedom people are helpless, The recent Kaiga leak, none of the ordinary citizens cared about the leak, if it were in US or any part of the western world, all the Nuke plants would be shut down.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Mile_Island_accident#Effect_on_nuclear_power_industry
3. Richer nations have become rich during the industrial revolution where they did not care for or did not have a clue about carbon emissions but now are using it as a tool to curb the poor nations or due to genuine fear of global warming?
Again it is left to the countries, They can either follow the old way of coal and gasolene or solar or Nuclear energy which is less polluting(Nuc may cause accidents) India has begun major solar energy program, if it really works out,it woould be good for India as well as the world.
4. What is the population of countries like India and China- compare the carbon emission per person to that of a rich nation where fossil fuel is burned to give heating during the winter months, there is more individual driven CARS and less mass transport?
Follow the link whihc will take you to a Co2 foot print calculator, that will tell you exactly, how much you pollute the earth :)
I tried it its cool
5. Pragmatic approach with a middle ground is much better. Oxfam directors comments on this issue are indeed thought provoking in this regard( about the recent summit).
There is no clear information on global warming, everyone seems to be beating around the bush, at this time it seems more like subjective matter than evidence based.
PaiS: environment and economy and politics are mixed or messed up with the issue of global warming here?
Politics is always there even at a funeral, so I don't think global warming is exempt.
Good discussion, thanks. |
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| Stany D'Souza, USA |
Dec 11, 2009 |
"Sorry Stany. When similar comment was made on swamis and sadhvis, you have no regrets. Thats your fault." N. S. Shenoy.
Thanks for your information, who constitutes a "Hindu". But your comment was uncalled for and is counterproductive to any communal harmony. Which Swamy or Sadhvy you are referring to? If it is mentioned in generalized form like yours, we have to condemn that behavior too.
I don't think your comments make me upset or angry but certainly they make me to argue the validity of it. So that, general readers of EYT are not misinformed or offended by someone's comments, which are far from reality.
How come you came to know that I have no regrets when other religious leaders IN GENERAL are criticized, I don't have regret? Do you have any telepathic power (I don't believe in telepathy or teleportation)?
So, your argument in the past posts that Christians and Muslims have different last names and practices make Hindus upset (do not the exact word you used) and that's why there is communal violence, how much true is it. Do you think, everybody else thinks just like you?
I don't think so. I am not a person to apoligize on one hand and find fault for the same on the other. |
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| Stany D'Souza, USA |
Dec 10, 2009 |
"Stany, I have read many pro and anti articles on global warming, with all due respect to Allen, his article is not a revelation from God, it's a compilation of personal opinions with research provided by the scientists who say that there is global warming." Puttur Dinesh, USA
To believe an article it should be "Revealation from God"? I hope they come at this time. That article is not a compilation of personal opinion but extrapolation of scientific facts given by various scientific bodies; presented to infuse basic understanding about the complex phenomenon of Global warming.
Let us get the facts straight. |
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| N.S.Shenoy, India |
Dec 10, 2009 |
". .mediocre, unproductive and destructive comments.
I don't understand, why these kind of worthless comments are published here.
- Stany D Souza in very angry tone.
Sorry Stany. When similar comment was made on swamis and sadhvis, you have no regrets. Thats your fault.
BTW, I thought I must enlighten you on who constitutes a HINDU (a subject dropped by D.P.Kumar).
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Indian Succession Act-1925:Applicable:
This Act is Applicable to a Hindu, Budhist, Jaina and sikh and to any person other than muslim , christian, parsi or jew.
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Hindu Marriage Act 1955:
Section 2. Application of Act.- (1) This Act applies -
(a) to any person who is a Hindu by religion in any of its forms or developments, including a Virashaiva, a Lingayat or a follower of the Brahmo, Prarthana or Arya Samam,
(b) to any person who is a Buddhist, Jaina or Sikh by religion, and
(c) to any other person domiciled in the territories to which this Act extends ==
who is not a Muslim, Christian, Parsi or Jew by religion, ==
unless it is proved that any such person would not have been governed by the Hindu law or by any custom or usage as part of that law in respect of any of the matters dealt with herein if this Act had not been passed.
Explanation.-The following persons are Hindus, Buddhists, Jainas or Sikhs by religion, as the case may be:-
(a) any child, legitimate or illegitimate, both of whose parents are Hindus, Buddhists, Jainas or Sikhs by religion;
(b) any child, legitimate or illegitimate, one of whose parents is a Hindu, Buddhist, Jaina or Sikh by religion and who is brought up as a member of the tribe, community, group or family to which such parent belongs or belonged; and
(c) any person who is a convert or re-convert to the Hindu, Buddhist, Jaina or Sikh religion.
(2) Notwithstanding any thing contained in sub-section (1), nothing contained in this Act shall apply to the members of any Scheduled tribe within the meaning of clause (25) of article 366 of the Constitution unless the Central Government, by notification in the Official Gazette, otherwise directs.
(3) The expression 'Hindu' in any portion of this Act shall be construed as if it included a person who, though not a Hindu by religion, is, nevertheless, a person to whom this Act applies by virtue of the provisions contained in this section.
Very long debate has taken place before finalising these Acts and then Dr. B.R. Ambedkar was the Law Minister who introduced separate bills instead of a single Hindu Code Bill. |
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| Roshan Pais, India |
Dec 10, 2009 |
Global warming debate.
I am interested to know opinions about a thing which is bothering me about this issue.
1.. We have evidence of glaciers melting and rise in sea level and release of carbon dioxide from burning of petroleum (fossil fuels) and other human activity. This evidence is good enough.
2. Richer nations want developing nations to curb the emissions. The very same nations used to send or still are sending their electronics waste, old ships and all those polluting substances to poorer nations (not in my back yard approach).
3. Richer nations have become rich during the industrial revolution where they did not care for or did not have a clue about carbon emissions but now are using it as a tool to curb the poor nations or due to genuine fear of global warming?
4. What is the population of countries like India and China- compare the carbon emission per person to that of a rich nation where fossil fuel is burned to give heating during the winter months, there is more individual driven CARS and less mass transport?
5. Pragmatic approach with a middle ground is much better . Oxfam directors comments on this issue are indeed thought provoking in this regard( about the recent summit).
I do not know more about the scientific data ( other than the 1st point above) nor do I know much about the lobby etc.
But One thing I take objection to- are the some" past "comments by presidents of richer nations blaming India and China as the global emitters (politicians some times are just that or are ignorant of the realities of developing nations).
Want to know your (and Stany's)opinion as well as others at EYT.
PS: environment and economy and politics are mixed or messed up with the issue of global warming here? |
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| Puttur Dinesh, USA |
Dec 10, 2009 |
Have you read article here in Mangalorean.com (Inner Circle hyperlink above and please read my comments)? This article by Allen Martis gives lot of insight about global warming. It seems like you are still ambivalent about it. -- Stany D'Souza
Stany, I have read many pro and anti articles on global warming, with all due respect to Allen, his article is not a revelation from God, it's a compilation of personal opinions with research provided by the scientists who say that there is global warming.
I am concerned with global warming but I have reached a point where I think the politicization/commercialization of environmental problems is really ridiculous, like everything else in America, Global warming too has become a topic of discussion for liberals and conservatives. I just heard on news today, during the summit in Copenhagen the lobbyists spent 350 million dollars, the lobbyists included alternative energy companies, pro environment groups etc etc etc, which makes me sick. People find a way to make money out of everything. The e-mail scandal by scientists does not make the situation any better.
So at this point I neither acknowledge nor deny global warming, I will just do my part in conserving energy and reduce my carbon foot print. I would not listen to any one because no one is for sure what … is going on. |
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| Roshan Pais, India |
Dec 10, 2009 |
I don't understand, why these kind of worthless comments are published here - Stany D'Souza.
No one can judge others opinions as worthless. Every one has opinion and this is web page is rightly called as - EXPRESS YOUR THOUGHTS !!!
Time to time one may feel - this way - then its time to take a break and then come back - this is my opinion ( you can agree or dis-agree but cannot say it as worthless!) |
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| David Lobo, India |
Dec 10, 2009 |
Alfred,
Let us not judge , condemn or find fault with others. Instead let us reflect on our own actions and use every means to correct oueselves |
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| Roshan Pais, India |
Dec 10, 2009 |
10 sites of Opium to Hussain alone ?............DP Kumar
How about my opinion? asks Hussain.
1.Perhaps Taliban is growing opium - Hussain
Good bad and ugly are growing it and not only Talibani's.
2.If USA and its allies block opium smuggling to Europe & USA and stop these illegal trade, no more funding to Taliban - Hussain
Right now the horse is brought to the pond and every effort made to encourage the horse to drink water. Horse has to agree to drink water.
3.And it will die its own like Russia collapsed when invaded Afghanisthan and unable to feed one million troops - Husain
Not very coherent here Hussain. Right now the Taliban are paying more to their fighters than the Afghanistan govt to their soldiers.
Afghanistan Govt does not have money thanks to insurgency and Taliban. Are you suggesting that Govt of Afghanistan grow poppy too??!!
USA is paying money to the Govt of Afghanistan to pay their employees. If you are familiar with Karzai's recent speech, he has begged 15 more years of support from other countries to fund security concerns of Afghanistan.
Present paradigm of Afghanistan is different as money is paid to Afghani soldiers to secure their country , to make it safe for them, their women and their children. |
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| Stany D'Souza, USA |
Dec 10, 2009 |
"Why speak of Uma Bharati? Why don't you look under your own carpet, the Bishops and the priests?" N.S. Shenoy, India
Mr. Shenoy, are you too much interested in blaming entire religious order, when one person's leadership is in question? Be rational when you respond. Don't try to offend the entire community, with your mediocre, unproductive and destructive comments.
I don't understand, why these kind of worthless comments are published here. |
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| Kudpi Rajanikanth Shenoy, India |
Dec 10, 2009 |
would Mangalore get statehood?
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Did you mean 'Devastate' Hood, Chris? :O |
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| Kiran, USA |
Dec 10, 2009 |
Why speak of Uma Bharati? Why don't you look under your own carpet, the Bishops and the priests? --NSS
I fully agree. Those who spot the specks in religions should be open to the logs in their religion too. |
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| Kiran, USA |
Dec 10, 2009 |
Elders are known to the deeds of RSS outfit in the past. -- IH
People have different opinions based on their viewpoints. When people start propagating their beliefs and view points to others as the only correct viewpoint, then it becomes divisive, communal etc. Peace. |
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| N.S.Shenoy, India |
Dec 10, 2009 |
Alfred Rbelo and Nelson Lewis,
Why speak of Uma Bharati? Why don't you look under your own carpet, the Bishops and the priests? |
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| M.Hussain, Qatar |
Dec 10, 2009 |
Do you want Afghanistan to turn into another Somalia?...........Stanley D’souza
Why did not you talk about Iraq that was peaceful, most developed Arab country before USA destroyed it in spite of UN resolution not to invade Iraq. |
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| M.Hussain, Qatar |
Dec 10, 2009 |
10 sites of Opium to Hussain alone ?............DP Kumar
Perhaps Taliban is growing opium in more than 10 sites in entire Afghan cultivation field.
If USA and its allies block opium smuggling to Europe & USA and stop these illegal trade, no more funding to Taliban. And it will die its own like Russia collapsed when invaded Afghanisthan and unable to feed one million troops.
How about my opinion? |
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| dishant, India |
Dec 10, 2009 |
| convict are wicked and deserve punishment means in hindi. |
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| Shareef Moideen, Mangalore/ Jeddah, Saudi Arabia |
Dec 10, 2009 |
Shareef, if you say that Rupees two lakhs is less and you suggest more compensation, you must be clear as to what amount do you think as proper.
Thats my question. Be specific. If you cannot specify or suggest an amount as reasonable or satiating, then you cannot comment on the Rs.2 lakhs as meagre., - N.S. Shenoy,
In Bangalore, you cannot even buy a small piece of land and build a 2 bed room house with this 2 lakhs, the word meagre applies person to person, it might be big amount for poor people and for upper middle class family 2 lakhs is not meagre. In Mangalore you can even cannot find get ½ cents of empty land, and 5 cents in surroundings of Mangalore? The Government should have given at least 50 lakhs to the parents of sandeep. When our cricketers or sports persons win something for our country, then our governments have “big heart’” to felicitate them in a big ceremony and announce bigger amount. We can survive without winning medals or trophies also, but if there are no soldiers like Sandeep to safeguard our nation by sacrificing their lives, then we won’t be alive. |
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| Ibrahim Hussain, India |
Dec 10, 2009 |
It is always a good idea for organizations to refer the kids to their dads for their permission.
Kiran,
Very true. Elders are known to the deeds of RSS outfit in the past. And duty of elders keep out of thier children from devisive gangs, communals and anti nationals. |
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| Ibrahim Hussain, India |
Dec 10, 2009 |
Parliament should discuss issues of price rise, water scarcity, farmer suicides, building better roads and industries
Ganesh Bhatre,
BJP insisted the debate on commission report. For every minute of debate by others was distruped by them. If you remember nuclear deal motion was intrupted by them by bringing the cash to Parliament, finally it was known fake incident perperated by Arun Jaitely who is expert on these tectics.
BJP must have listened what Home Minister was reading out. After that they could have replied. Shameless BJP MP's do not know how to behave in the parliament.
All MP's of India are rich and they do not care for price rise, water scarcity, farmer suicides, building better roads and industries. |
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| Ibrahim Hussain, India |
Dec 10, 2009 |
Thats half the story. What about the Kakhi Unit leader who made it un-welcome gesture to IH Saheb?
Roshan,
Thanks for answering on behalf of me. I admire. |
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| Ibrahim Hussain, India |
Dec 10, 2009 |
Finally, in the larger interest of the country, I am in favor of a public hospital being constructed at the disputed site.
Hello Dhairya,
All public hospitals in India worst throughout worst maintained. Instead of giving a life to the patient, they take thier life. Better you suggest something else. |
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| Alfred J. Rebello, Dubai,, UAE |
Dec 10, 2009 |
Uma Bharati is the richest sanyasin in the country. A multi-millionaire, in fact. - Nelson Lewis, Bahrin.
Nelson, it is the easiest way of becoming Millionaire and that also without cheating. I mean officially! People just give alms to sanysis or sanyasins. Of course I do not know on what returns! Why do you think many opt for Sanyasi or sanyasin (San Ya Sin). It is the best way to make daily living, a luxurious one and that also without any cost, because they do not even have to look after a religious place. |
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| Alfred J. Rebello, Dubai,, UAE |
Dec 10, 2009 |
God has given us the abundant wealth of Man power, particularly educated, inteligent and God fearing Man Power - george Borromeo, India.
I fully agree with it. But many of us turned it into corrupt, religious seperiority complex, greedy, dominance on others in the name of majority and minority, upper class and lower class, cheating, goondagiri etc. First, we should come out of these to call ourselves, true Indians.
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| N.S.Shenoy, India |
Dec 10, 2009 |
"..by giving more financial compensation to his parents"- Shareef on compensation to family of Major Sandeep Unnikrishnan.
Shareef, if you say that Rupees two lakhs is less and you suggest more compensation, you must be clear as to what amount do you think as proper.
Thats my question. Be specific. If you cannot specify or suggest an amount as reasonable or satiating, then you cannot comment on the Rs.2 lakhs as meagre. |
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| Stany D'Souza, USA |
Dec 10, 2009 |
"Stany thanks for the link. I have read enough about global warming, few months ago even I believed in whatever Al Gore and company said, but recent leak of emails for the scientis in UK create more doubts about their own theory, they also tried to supress the information from getting out." Puttur Dinesh, USA
Are you really thinking there is no global warming? It is not the issue of Al Gore and company. These scientists are not simply following Al Gore. Don't confuse Al Gore and the scientists, Al Gore is an Activist and Scientists rely on Science.
"I am fed up with this debate, I will try to do the best I can to reduce co2, turn off lights when I don't need it, try to avoid driving when and wherever I can, etc etc, Other than that I really don't care, I will be dead and gone in a few yrs, if there is another war that will destroy the planet before global warming." PD
It does seems like here you do believe in global warming and it is very encouraging that you do something very concrete in avoiding it. Let us not blame scientists for politicians and business beureaucrats misgivings for their vested interests.
Have you read article here in Mangalorean.com (Inner Circle hyperlink above and please read my comments)? This article by Allen Martis gives lot of insight about global warming. It seems like you are still ambivalent about it. |
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| D.P.Kumar, India |
Dec 10, 2009 |
Chris Rego,
10 sites of Opium to Hussain alone ?
nako bhai, nako.
If you send them to Talibanis, they would die to read them!
BTW, if you know the e mail ID of Osama Bin Laden, pl send few more sites to him to grow up with Apeem :-))
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| Kiran, USA |
Dec 9, 2009 |
Ibrahim Hussain,
I will say it again, all they did was some yoga and some running games and we were playing nearby and joined in the games and yoga some times. We did not even know who they were, nor did we care, neither did they care who we kids were. Nothing more than that.
Roshan Pais,
My discussion with Shareef Moideen was only to understand things from a different view point (and provide him with my view point). It is not a competition or argument, it is just looking at the same incident from different angles. Not pointless from my perspective. Your snide remark only reflects your stance.
PS: It is always a good idea for organizations to refer the kids to their dads for their permission. |
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| Puttur Dinesh, USA |
Dec 9, 2009 |
Stany thanks for the link. I have read enough about global warming, few months ago even I believed in whatever Al Gore and company said, but recent leak of emails for the scientis in UK create more doubts about their own theory, they also tried to supress the information from getting out.
I am fed up with this debate, I will try to do the best I can to reduce co2, turn off lights when I don't need it, try to avoid driving when and wherever I can, etc etc, Other than that I really don't care, I will be dead and gone in a few yrs, if there is another war that will destroy the planet before global warming. |
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| Roshan Pais, India |
Dec 9, 2009 |
The Government had spent Rs 56.45 lakh for Chief Minister BS Yeddyurappa’s official residence ‘Anugraha’ and Rs 1.32 crore for renovation of another bungalow of the Chief Minister on Race Course Road, the Minister for Public Works C M Udasi told the Legislative assembly.
Full story http://mangalorean.com/news.php?newstype=broadcast&broadcastid=135358 |
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| Roshan Pais, India |
Dec 9, 2009 |
Where is your kakhi short, white shirt, Kala topi, calf leather weist belt and lathi? I think you have forget take to the Maidan.
IH is it REXINE BELT made in INDIA OR CHINA? (Swadeshi or Videshi?) |
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| Stany D'Souza, USA |
Dec 9, 2009 |
"Sometimes these scientists sound really stupid, The summer this year was not hot here, there was rain througout the summer. Its freezing out side with 32*F temperature. All the people who feel that it is hot better stay in the cold all night, we will let you in if you are alive in the morning. Why not have the global warming summit somewhere in Canada and freeze your butts?" -- Puttur Dinesh, USA.
You have very serious reading to do my friend. In this context, don't be a "Frog in the well". Don't think that scientific findings are purely based on generalized predictions of an Astrologer or an horoscope.
Please read the facts before you criticize the validity of current global warming. It is not based on one or two years climatice data of a particular region. Here is good start: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/12/1206_041206_global_warming.html |
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| Roshan Pais, India |
Dec 9, 2009 |
RSS never rejected you - It was your father who stopped you from joining them. Am I correct?- thus opines Original Pai to IH.
Mr. Original - Thats half the story. What about the Kakhi Unit leader who made it un-welcome gesture to IH Saheb?
As a parent - one wants to protect the child from BAD INFLUENCES.
MAY be IHs Dad felt -there was still time for the RSS to become trustworthy.
Your last argument - when does the RSS die a natural death - has to be taken into consideration - and Ibrahim's Dad has to be given due consideration.
Analogy: A parent wants to protect the child from any harm- thats instinctual. We have snakes that are non- poisonous and thus harmless as well as those can harm you. A parent might advice against any snakes as he feels that child may not differentiate good ones from bad ones.
PS: Children come to this world without religion and get the drumming and infusion of values from parents. Pardon me for my NOT SO ORIGINAL COMMENTS. |
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| Stany D'Souza, USA |
Dec 9, 2009 |
"Texas oil companies are funding USA to terrorise Iraq & Afghanisthan. NOW, obama declared to upgrade terrorism with additional 30K troops but soon they will in 2011. Cowardice." Ashraf, UAE.
Do you want Afghanistan to turn into another Somalia? |
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| Shareef Moideen, Mangalore/ Jeddah, Saudi Arabia |
Dec 9, 2009 |
| I think Karnataka government can tell you how much compensation do the parents of Major Sandeep Unnikrishna’s family deserves considering his age and financial condition of that family. You are asking the wrong person!!! |
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| Ashraf, UAE |
Dec 9, 2009 |
Chris Rego
Texas oil companies are funding USA to terrorise Iraq & Afghanisthan. NOW, obama declared to upgrade terrorism with additional 30K troops but soon they will in 2011. Cowardice. |
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| Ibrahim Hussain, India |
Dec 9, 2009 |
all they did was some yoga and some running games.
Kiran,
I think you are misleading the readers regarding the Game tactics of RSS. Where is your kakhi short, white shirt, Kala topi, calf leather weist belt and lathi? I think you have forget take to the Maidan. |
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| Ibrahim Hussain, India |
Dec 9, 2009 |
RSS will die a natural death the day india becomes a 'true' secular country.
Dear O R Pai,
RSS is already in the death bed. India is a secular country and no need to wait. |
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| Ibrahim Hussain, India |
Dec 9, 2009 |
who sacrifice his life for nation what a amount award from BJP govt.
Mohan,
Maj. Sandeep or Sandeep parents are not equal to Tirupati Devaru. That's the reason very small amount was given to Major. Sandeep's parents.
However, why Maj. Sandeep's father rejected the Money from CM Achutandan? |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Dec 9, 2009 |
"...and asked me get my father's permission to join RSS" - Ibrahim hussain.
That's the point. Get permission from your father because he *may not like" you playing with RSS folks. As you described, that's precisely what happened, right? RSS never rejected you - It was your father who stopped you from joining them. Am I correct?
For all those RSS haters out here - Please note one thing - RSS will die a natural death the day india becomes a 'true' secular country. Not the pseudo-secular where hindus feel sidelined. |
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Dec 9, 2009 |
would you please study you claim again - M. Hussain
Take your pick mate. Here goes:
1) http://justiceanddrugs.blogspot.com/2009/06/afghanistan-opium-profits-taliban-and.html
2) http://www.usip.org/files/taliban_opium.pdf
3) http://www.rawa.org/opium6.htm
4) http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/south-asia/70-percent-talibans-funding-comes-from-opium-trade_100198984.html
5) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban
6) http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/09/15/afghanistan.opium.trade/index.html
7) http://www.rferl.org/content/Terror_Expert_Discusses_Taliban_AlQaeda_Funding_/1854261.html
8) http://www.moneyweek.com/news-and-charts/economics/where-al-qaeda-and-the-taliban-get-their-money-45809.aspx
9) http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1101040809-674777,00.html
10) http://www.thirdway.org/data/product/file/154/NS_Mod4_-_Disrupting_Taliban_and_al_Qaeda_in_Pakistan.pdf
Well, well, well, my dearest friend Hussain, I guess you do have serious reading to do over the weekend.
When you're done with those links do let me know so that I could send you some more. Until then, happy reading mate! |
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| N.S.Shenoy, India |
Dec 9, 2009 |
If only I were to be a Judge handling the case… I would have ordered a judgement to Castrate both him and the cops together……and parade them naked on the Kalangute beach.-DONY
chi..chhi. who has to see and what? send MMS;O |
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| N.S.Shenoy, India |
Dec 9, 2009 |
"mangalore police thats all you can achieve "-Peter,USA
No Peter. Thats not all. Recently there was a report that with great efforts (chaaka chakyateinda), they caught a man from the cow shed gambling alone;O |
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| Shareef Moideen, Mangalore/ Jeddah, Saudi Arabia |
Dec 9, 2009 |
How many Lakhs were spent by Yeddy to renovate his BEDROOM and how many for his BATH ROOM? - Roshan
No clue buddy. |
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| Shareef Moideen, Mangalore/ Jeddah, Saudi Arabia |
Dec 9, 2009 |
| Kiran! I am not justifying the 26/11 or other terrorist attacks mentioned by you; I am mentioning other incidents where minorities are booked under false allegations. |
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| N.S.Shenoy, India |
Dec 9, 2009 |
"The government should had “bigger heart” to respect the brave martyr Major Sandeep Unnikrishnan, by giving more financial compensation to his parents "-Shareef Moideen
Your idea is good. But be specific and spell out how much. |
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| Roshan Pais, India |
Dec 8, 2009 |
How many Lakhs were spent by Yeddy to renovate his BEDROOM and how many for his BATH ROOM?
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| Roshan Pais, India |
Dec 8, 2009 |
I want to make Last point- Jonathan.
Porbule - How many last points you are making.
PS:Pointless arguments by Roshan Pais= |
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| Kudpi Rajanikanth Shenoy, India |
Dec 8, 2009 |
Have'nt you seen the Axe effect ;-)
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I still use BRUT. Maybe youngsters like Nagendra might have the AXE effect! :D |
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| Kudpi Rajanikanth Shenoy, India |
Dec 8, 2009 |
DJ Raj/DJ Rajani........ hmmmmm... sounds great, doesn't it?
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Yeah! May be 32 years ago :D
Today, even with my headphones on, neighbour's dog gets restless and starts barking 'woof woof', no matter I play that song by Bahamen or not! :O |
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| Kiran, USA |
Dec 8, 2009 |
If the minorities does resistance then it is terrorism or they are called as anti-national elements --Shareef Moideen
I think we all understand what terrorism is. Mumbai blasts, 26/11, IISc attacks, Delhi blasts, etc. So, let us not make an excuse for that. |
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| Kiran, USA |
Dec 8, 2009 |
any law to ban conversions must categorically state that Hindus can not become christians instead of saying Christians can not convert Hindus. --Jonathan Dsouza,
six pieces of one versus half a dozen of the other - take your pick, it really does not matter. Peace and harmony is what really matters.
Father beat me well and asked me not to peep even through thier windows. -- IH
Not a good idea, if you ask me. Kids are innocent and kids do not distinguish. Moreover, I remember going to some maidaan as a kid and all they did was some yoga and some running games (tiger chasing sheep or something like that) - that's all I can remember. |
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| Jonathan Dsouza, USA |
Dec 8, 2009 |
Dear Kiran,
I want to make one last point before we
end this conversation on this subject.
My point is simple. I want to stress again that any law to ban conversions
must categorically state that Hindus can not become christians instead of saying Christians can not convert Hindus. |
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| Shareef Moideen, Mangalore/ Jeddah, Saudi Arabia |
Dec 8, 2009 |
Moogu adighe Biddaroo Meese Melu.
This is an expression in Kannada which I think in my opinion would be very apt for continuing pointless arguments or trying to prove a point when you cannot.
PPS: Calling spade a spade here may be accepting the atrocities by Modi rather than blaming some one else - ROSHAN
When there is NO Meese, they have to argue to get the facts correct, because Modi told that "every action has reaction", Modi followers are blindly following him. |
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| Shareef Moideen, Mangalore/ Jeddah, Saudi Arabia |
Dec 8, 2009 |
I understand that minorities have faced resistance where Hindu and Indian interests are threatened, but that does not make Hindutva a bad word – Kiran
If the minorities does resistance then it is terrorism or they are called as anti-national elements for instance, when there was attacks against the Christian community and church’s they had to resist in order to save themselves and the innocent women’s gathered at the church. Kiran! We need co-existence, communal harmony, accept and respect other religions for secular India. |
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| M.Hussain, Qatar |
Dec 8, 2009 |
.........Opium growing Talibani's,
Chris rego
would you please study you claim again |
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| N.S.Shenoy, India |
Dec 8, 2009 |
"constitutional right to become a christian and blame christians?" -Jonathan D Souza to Kiran.
to become christian and blame christian?;-P |
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| Jonathan Dsouza, USA |
Dec 8, 2009 |
Dear Kiran,
I want to make one last point before we
end this conversation on this subject.
My point is simple. I want to stress again that any law to ban conversions
must categorically state that Hindus can not become christians instead of saying Christians can not convert Hindus. |
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Dec 8, 2009 |
Same goes with catholic churhh and missionaries. Those firms are mutli-crore properties. Only Islam rejects such double-life. - Rasheed K.
Oh boy, you make it sound like the Church was built on Zakat/WAKF fuloos.
Sure, Islam rejects "double life". David Headley Coleman and Tawahhur Rana, Kasab and his associates who are by now hopefully grazing on virgin grass in Paradise, Pakistani extremists, Opium growing Talibani's, the decadent Saudi royalty ............. and the list stretches well past the horizon into the great beyond.......they are are all prime examples, aren't they? |
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| Ibrahim Hussain, India |
Dec 8, 2009 |
Well, ok, so it looks like non-Hindus cannot meet the criteria to become RSS members,
Kiran,
Let intrupt you for a while. During my school days in Kadiyali, Udipi, I had so many Konkani friends including Late Prabhkar Pai (brother of KK Pai)sons. In Kadiyali way to Kalsanka there was small office of RSS. In the evening all these Konkani friends were going to this office, after the saffron flag prayer (Namste sadaa vatsale matruboome)they organize kabaddi play. I used to accompany my friends, jon with them for kabaddi. The Sangh Pracharak Gujjadi Narasimha Nayak enquiried about me and came to know that I am a muslim boy. He immeidately asked me stay away from thier office, and asked me get my father's permission to join RSS. At that time even my Konkani friends were not aware of what is RSS. I asked my father to grant permission to join RSS. Father beat me well and asked me not to peep even through thier windows.
Many years later I came know what is RSS and how they inject the venom into the young boys. The above story may be 50 years old. Still they could not transform the Udipi into RSS bandwagon.
I strongly believe Indians prefer to live in peace with all communities. |
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| RAJRAM MELANTA, LIBYA, Libya |
Dec 8, 2009 |
It is an immense pleasure for me to see this falicitation by Qatar Tulu-Koota for MRS & MR Bhavani Shanker Hegde.
This is an exceptional gratitude and honour from Qatar Tulu-Koota for their distinguished contribution and inspiration towards the integrity and unity of Tulu Bandhavaas wherever they move....
May God bless them many more laurels in their path of life.
AS AN ASPIRANT OF TULU-KOOTA, I ENDORSE MR SARVOTHAM SHETTY'S COMMENT ON CREATION OF TULU-KOOTA IN TRIPOLI.
Keep it up Mr Hegde...! |
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Dec 8, 2009 |
Thank goodness, Chris has not mentioned about Yamaha Casstette decks! I have a deck Yamaha TC800GL almost 32 years old, still in working condition! - Raj
A 32 years old Cassette Deck in working condition? Wow....and there I was under the impression that Cassette decks had become extinct along with the Dodo and Alfred J. Rebello!
About the 'RX', well, you could probably be right.
Anyway, why not upgrade to a heavy duty Yamaha Amp? I've been using a Yamaha RX-V1800 which can throw out 130 W RMS out of 7 channels each. Weighing a MERE 22 kgs, it can handle almost anything under the sun - i.e., you can individually hook up a DVD player, a cassette deck, turntable, CD player, set-top box for Cable TV, X-box and God alone knows what not! With 4 HDMI input ports, you can expect nothing but the best.
And in case you buy some great speakers such as Polk Audio or Paradigm or Klipsch, well, then I bet that the whole of Hat-hill can listen in when you start belting out Eagles for suprabatha. God knows, Akashavani Mangalooru and Radio Mirchi might find you too hot to handle and close shop! )
DJ Raj/DJ Rajani........ hmmmmm... sounds great, doesn't it? |
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| Ibrahim Hussain, India |
Dec 8, 2009 |
NSS,
Regarding http://www.formermuslims.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=972; Mr. Sam must read this two or three times to understand what Ahmad Qahtani said then only he can understand.
Of course intersting to read this discussion. |
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| D.P.Kumar, India |
Dec 8, 2009 |
"DP, don't take it as an axe or hammer any time"
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Don't mistake pl.
Have'nt you seen the Axe effect ;-) |
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| Rita Rego, India |
Dec 8, 2009 |
| I have been looking for english lyrics of the konkani hymn Jezu Apoita, It will be a great help, if you can help please email to my id: rrego123@gmail.com |
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| Kiran, USA |
Dec 8, 2009 |
Dear Jonathan Dsouza,
I have explained here before how conversion (coercive or otherwise) involves the destruction of a person's identity and how it affects the community he or she belongs to. I do not want to repeat the same things here again as this topic has been dragging on for too long - far longer than I anticipated. Conversion by any means is as good as any business organization marketing itself for growth at the expense of other religions with deadly consequences as evidenced here and elsewhere in the world. Splitting hairs on the meaning of religious freedom to practice your own religion versus criminality of forced conversions versus word play on induced and coercive conversions are also part of the understanding the larger problem. If I answer you fully, I will be repeating myself, so let us leave it at that (for now at least). All religions are equally great, none better than the other, so let us live peacefully instead of converting each other or competing with each other religiously. |
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| Rasheed.K, India |
Dec 8, 2009 |
hello Nelson,
You are right. Uma bharati is a fake sanyasini. Same goes with catholic churhh and missionaries. Those firms are mutli-crore properties. Only Islam rejects such double-life. |
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| Jonathan Dsouza, USA |
Dec 7, 2009 |
Dear Kiran,
I would like you to comment on the following points.
1) Why should anybody deny a Hindu his constitutional right to become a christian and blame christians?
2)Can anybody say that whole of India should do only farming and not study medicine, engineering etc since all our ancestors were farmers?
3)I share your concern about forcible conversions. But at the same time why those making false cases are not given narco test? |
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| Kiran, USA |
Dec 7, 2009 |
Shareef Moideen,
Well, ok, so it looks like non-Hindus cannot meet the criteria to become RSS members, but then a good definition is still missing to accurately define who is a Hindu. In that context, we can even ask, what is Hindutva or Hinduness ? From the link you provided I see that their goal is to organize Hindus in the society to combat the challenges facing them and protect the freedom and diversity of Indian civilization. Nehru seems to be the first person looking at RSS through the lens of some European fascist takeovers. The Supreme Court seems to have woken Nehru up to the reality of the situation that India is different from what happened in Europe. I understand that minorities have faced resistance where Hindu and Indian interests are threatened, but that does not make Hindutva a bad word. Hindutva is probably an awakening among the most tolerant religion in the world to realize how much they have been taken advantage of in all its history and the present. I am glad that Vajpayee, Advani or Jaswant Singh did not jump to conclusions and instead relied on our court systems to decide with due deliberations the whole truth. Satyam eva jayate. Let the truth prevail. |
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| Nelson Lewis, Bahrain |
Dec 7, 2009 |
Mr. Nagendra Shenoy,
I am reproducing an extract from your post that appears as follows:
"But Taj? Leopold Cafe? Of course there is a possibility of their presence."
I wonder if a man of the stature of Mr. Rattan Tata will ever visit or be near Leopold Cafe. Taj yes.
Regards,
Nelson |
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| Roshan Pais, India |
Dec 7, 2009 |
Moogu adighe Biddaroo Meese Melu.
This is an expression in Kannada which I think in my opinion would be very apt for continuing pointless arguments or trying to prove a point when you cannot.
I am not saying that there is any dearth of admirers of such mustaches here at E.YT.
Yet I would say that can we group Adolph Hitler with Charlie Chaplin just on the basis of their Mustaches?
One may admire a mustache but one cannot support an argument or propaganda of Hitler and confuse him with Charlie Chaplin!!
PS: People of Germany fell for the nationalistic agenda of Adolph Hitler. These people who were staunch nationalists coming from different walks of life chose to ignore the warning signs, ignored the grey areas and after a point the whole nation was caught up in the frenzy. I hope We Indians learn from this.
PPS: Calling spade a spade here may be accepting the atrocities by Modi rather than blaming some one else. |
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| Kudpi Rajanikanth Shenoy, India |
Dec 7, 2009 |
Why does Yamaha have the prefix ‘RX’ even on their amplifiers/receivers?
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Good to see you back, Chris :)
Thank goodness, Chris has not mentioned about Yamaha Casstette decks! I have a deck Yamaha TC800GL almost 32 years old, still in working condition!
Chris, RX means prescription, and I guess Yamaha came out with the idea of using that prefix for their products post mid 80's.
You are at liberty to prove me wrong as well. I shall accept it happily! :D |
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| Nelson Lewis, Bahrain |
Dec 7, 2009 |
Uma Bharati is the richest sanyasin in the country. A multi-millionaire, in fact.
If I am not wrong, sanyasis and sanyasins are considered to be people with no earthly possessions. Could Uma Bharati be one of them?
If Uma Bharati's case is any example, then being a sanyasi or sanyasin could be a profitable proposition.
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| Kudpi Rajanikanth Shenoy, India |
Dec 7, 2009 |
Anyway, thanks for that axe. - DP
DP, don't take it as an axe or hammer any time. I have been analysing my posts as well as others' over the months and found out that we tend to quote others more than having definite opinions cast by ourselves.
Does that mean we should feel handicapped, while our 'Panchendriyas' function remarkably well?
You and I have worked for Nationalised Banks; yourself having more experience, meeting people and discussing things, sharing thoughts. Being an active member of Trade Union, you also must have had better knowledge than myself to understand the difficulties of labour class and common man.
You also have personally probed into civic problems like drainage, waste disposal and maintenance of roads, if not theft and other security issues in the past.
I feel, you me or other regulars need not take support of quotes or links from History, if we believe in ourselves and express ourselves without any hesitation.
We need quotes when we write a thesis or article, and not while expressing our thoughts here.
Finally, no matter how hard you try to convince people here with complex quotes, they always stick to their beliefs and convictions.
Debates go on, should go on and then we could form a collective opinion depending on the strength of the argument.
This is what I tried to convey in simple words! How effective it will be, is left for time to decide!:D
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But then again, it is individual liking. If one is true to himself, he need not follow any Holy book or preachings. I will not be surprised if you share this belief like me. - Nagendra
Well said Nagendra. We are all slaves to the system and we tend to copy many things in life from others when we don't have original ideas.
You are still a student and you need to study a lot from your seniors who have done immense research and have concocted some elixirs to tone up your knowledge bank!
Most of us are well educated and we need not discuss about Darwin, Einstein, Tagore, Newton and other greats to prove our points anymore, unless a question is raised on subjects related to those people. Internet has so many channels where we could put a search and get the info. I don't think we need to quote the text here time and again and put more burden our web editors!
My observations in life have taught me to be true to myself first and then to the outer world, no matter how right or wrong I might be. I have always accepted my failures, if someone has honestly tried and proved me wrong without quoting a third person's opinion or theory.
More or less, our thoughts are equal and parallel, but there are a few bye-passes, under-passes and fly-overs that connect us well! :D
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Disclaimer: This forum is to Express Your Thoughts and not others'.
I might be wrong according to the masses and my opinion need not be authentic and final in this regard. |
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| Puttur Dinesh, USA |
Dec 7, 2009 |
Kiran, Stany and Shareef
I think the religious debate is becoming old. It feels like I am eating the stale masala Dosa from Puttur Resaurant for the past week. Change the topic guys.
The conclusion is
Hinduism is great
Christianity is great
Islam is great
No relgion is great too |
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| D.P.Kumar, India |
Dec 7, 2009 |
Hey Chris,
You are still reading?
Make it monthly review, rather than quarterly.
I know you are busy and happily playing. Enjoy every moment available. Later, we only have memories. |
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| Praveen Pinto, India |
Dec 7, 2009 |
I am glad that people denounce Church attacks, but they are ignorant if they do not simultaneously denounce the factors that led to those retaliations too- Kiran USA
Mr Kiran, your words remind me of Pakistan, which loses no time in denouncing any incident like 26/11 but is quick enough to point Kashmir as the cause. Does it mean we should give up Kashmir for peace? So what is stopping us from making the supreme sacrifice for peace?
Mr kiran it is high time you realised that issues like Kashmir and conversion are mere difference of opinions between two parties. These issues can be resolved only through dialouge and understanding. If any party resorts to violence it only shows its cowardliness and lack of civility. |
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| Shareef Moideen, Mangalore/ Jeddah, Saudi Arabia |
Dec 7, 2009 |
Kiran,
They may have a Hindutva image (courtesy left media) but not a Hindutva agenda – Kiran
The Hindutva image is not courtesy of media, please visit this website and look in to the ideologue of RSS http://www.sanghparivar.org/wiki/rashtriya-swayamsevak-sangh, Do you still foresee any media courtesy in this website or may be you will come to conclusion that this website has been hacked to justify your claim. How minorities can can join this radical organization with communal agenda to build the Hindu nation. Please get your facts correct before commenting on the forum. One does not know as to what criterion the US based Terrorism Research Center, the US think tank on this issue, has used but it has gone on to label RSS, the patriarch of Hindutva organizations, BJP, VHP, Bajarang dal etc., as a terrorist outfit. RSS shares this category with other organizations defamed in different parts of the World as terrorists like Al Qaeda, Lashkar-e-Tayyaba, Hamas etc.
You have been cynical about Indian media, there are enormous evidence against Modi and even the when then PM Vajpayee was frank enough to say during his visit to US “forced us to bow our heads in shame before others (abroad)", and recently Jaswant Singh claimed 'Advani opposed action against Modi on riots' that stopped Vajpayee to take action against Modi. Do you think there was a media hand in this claim by Jaswant Singh and even Bal Thackeray told Advani not to sack Modi after Godhra riots. In 1993, Lucknow and Kanpur didn’t had Shiv Sainiks like in Mumbai so these 2 places didn’t had more casualties. |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Dec 7, 2009 |
On 26/11, all the focus was on the people at TaJ, when there 56 people dead at CST - Puttur Dinesh
P D,
Taj Mahal attack went on for 3 days whereas CST was for a few hours. There was ample space for the media to peg their cameras and shoot Taj Mahal rather than in CST.
How many of us switched off our TV Channels during 26/11? They are showing what we are seeing. If CST aftermath was shown we would have still been wanting to see the Taj.
Rather I would ask, why didn't Ratan Tata or Mohandas Pai speak on terrorism before 26/11? Because they will never be there in a local train, Adugodi bus stand, Jhaveri Bazaar et al. But Taj? Leopold Cafe? Of course there is a possibility of their presence. |
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Dec 7, 2009 |
What’s cooking on EYT these days? Well, from the little that I’ve noticed during my rather infrequent visits hereabouts of late, I seem to gather the following:
Shenoy’mam’s fan-base seems to be growing. In fact, with every bouncer that the Rai sister’s plonk down on the turf, Shenoy’mam deems to get adept at ducking. Now, that’s not all -with every yorker of theirs that almost takes the keratin off his toes, the more nimble he gets! Who said that it takes two to tango? From the lively tango on EYT by the people in question, I’d say it takes four!
Nagendra Shenoy as usual is always upbeat come the rain or the shine. Probably when Mrs. Shenoy comes into the picture, some of the fizz might lessen. However, if Mrs. Shenoy happens to have even half the chutzpah as our man and decides to have her say on EYT, wow, we would have everything from Cricket to Cookery to Counseling out here – all in one go.
Raj, well, he seems to chug along as fine as his beloved Yamaha RX-100 from the 80’s. By the way, Raj – a quickie for you. Why does Yamaha have the prefix ‘RX’ even on their amplifiers/receivers?
DP seems to be doing a Houdini disappearing act every now and then. For a jolly-good-fellow-retired-person whose third favorite pastime in the daylight hours is talking to the trees (the first one being - taking up petitions with the DC of M’lore, the second being googling prime snippets from all Holy Scriptures and posting them here), such absences are inexplicable.
Roshan Pais from India seems to have taken an inordinate liking for using “==” as line/para separators as he flits from frequency to frequency, post to post with great dexterity. However, in the beginning I was wondering if he was equating the first para/sentence to the next. Thankfully, that fear of mine proved to be unjustified!
And of course, there are the ‘visitors’ who echo their cheers for every two-bit throw-ball match in Kuwait or Frog-race in Farangipet! I say cheers to them coz reading even that is immensely better than the crap doing the rounds a tad too much of late – My Religion is da bestestestest ya Habibe! |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Dec 7, 2009 |
"In future also I will not allow the State's natural resources to be misused". Mr Yeddurappa.
That means in the past you have allowed the State's natural resources to be misused - Dr. Raj Hegde
Dr. Saab, he has told "In future ALSO...." :-) |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Dec 7, 2009 |
I also find quotes from Bhagavadgita and other Holy Books quoted here on daily basis. The fever catches on myself as well, when I quote Tagore or other scholars! - KRS.
KRS,
On a lighter note, finding it tough to be 'Stithaprajna' or not get carried away easily? :D (PD, Stithaprajna can simply be 'Headstrong', in case you are confused with too many definitions you got as a reply)
KRS, it is said "You hear it, you will forget. You see/read it, you will know. YOU DO IT, YOU WILL REMEMBER FOREVER". I personally like quotes, be it from whichever Holy book, especially Sanskrit quotes or Subhashita, references from Mahabharata, Ramayana, meanings of shlokas et al. I ensure whenever I come across such quotes, I find the meaning and register it in my word document.
EYT gives scope for only "You see/read it, you will know". DOING or following is upto us. But then again, it is individual liking. If one is true to himself, he need not follow any Holy book or preachings. I will not be surprised if you share this belief like me. |
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| Judith L, India |
Dec 7, 2009 |
| Yes, we too want ministers who ideas and work is channelised towards progress of country without being divisive. |
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| Puttur Dinesh, USA |
Dec 7, 2009 |
Hey DP
I really did not know the meaning of Sthitaprajnya, but now I know it because of Raj and Kiran, thanks guys, Austin Thanks for making up sh**(stuff) :)
Thanks Raj and Kiran.
DP you are really a Stithaprajnya.
I think it would be a good idea to explainin English if you use words from Geeta and Quran, so that every one can understand the post and share the knowledge.
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| Stany D'Souza, USA |
Dec 7, 2009 |
"No conversion, no religious violence to worry about. No situations for politicians to take advantage of. Conversions are the spark that light up religious violence and hatred." -- Kiran, USA.
Kiran, you cannot give any evidence of substantiated conversion, which is based on illegal means, the constanting drumming of conversion is the cause of communal violence is silly and depicts either ignrance or instigation for further violence. You are trying weigh in a large boulder with the help of a sewing thread. Come out of the dreamland and provide facts. If you do not have any hard-fast facts, it is better to keep mum.
The total population of Christians in Karnataka State is 0.74%. Get your facts straight. |
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| M.Hussain, Qatar |
Dec 7, 2009 |
Also what you feel about RSS.
.......DP kumar asks my opinion
The RSS aganda is an open book. |
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| Kiran, USA |
Dec 7, 2009 |
Shareef Moideen,
I only indirectly invited you to join the RSS because you said they did not integrate the minorities into their fold. They may have a hindutva image (courtesy left media), but not a hindutva agenda. India now has 50+ years of freedom and yet the leftist elements of the press are stuck with the pre-independence British ideology who love to hate the nationalists and spare no opportunity to paint them more saffron. They seem to be stuck to the divide and conquer role. It is no surprise they would label the nationalists as dividers! Thanks for the link, but you know, with the leftist press in action, it is not hard to find articles and links that implicate Modi, what is hard to find is an unbiased article giving us the true story (the hardest part is these biased articles also claim to be true stories). Therefore, we can only hope that the inquiry commissions do a good job and bring out the unbiased picture. The Maharastra CM should atleast have not reached the tally of Gujarat for an incident happening in a far away state, when Lucknow and Kanpur did not have that kind of casualties. |
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| D.P.Kumar, India |
Dec 6, 2009 |
"'calling a spade a spade' "
Kudpi Raj,
There was no other similar expression. Anyway, thanks for that axe.
one "del" to Recycle bin.
But what shall we do with those wholesale "Mangoes n Apples"? double del?
Thanks. |
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| D.P.Kumar, India |
Dec 6, 2009 |
Hussain,
It is a good reply with background of Vande Mataram, the writer and the intention.
Also what you feel about RSS.
Roshan Pais,
My attempt ended like Chandrayan 1. Let me try next time;-) |
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| D.P.Kumar, India |
Dec 6, 2009 |
PD
"Sthithapajnya"
Caught red handed with the missing -r ?
I know that you know very well what that word means.
Regards |
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| Shareef Moideen, Mangalore/ Jeddah, Saudi Arabia |
Dec 6, 2009 |
| Kiran! Thanks for the indirect invitation to join RSS, till this date I have not joined any organization whether it is political or religious. How can I join RSS with their hindutva agenda? Media is biased on RSS, come on dude even for the sake of argument if I agree with you may be few might be biased with RSS but surely other will not and being an oldest organization of India, RSS should have tried to get the facts right for Indians and the image of RSS. The freedom struggle of RSS doesn’t give them the license to torture the minorities to build Hindu nation. How can RSS qualify to be a patriotic organization when it is dividing people in the name of religion and spreading hatred within the communities? Forget about the minorities, it has not even reached the dalits of India, I am aware that Rajiv Gandhi has lit the fire and it is not a hidden story it is an open secret. The Bombay had to suffer because of communal tension, Bombay was a communal sensitive state so it had suffered a lot, well at the time of communal riots in Gujarat the BJP was in power at centre and Vajpayee was the Prime Minister so the human rights commission was appointed by the Prime Minister and then CBI should also been the puppet of BJP. The BJP should find the facts against the Congress CM and should equate him with Modi, if you believe the Bombay same is guilty for Bombay riots like Modi. Look into this link for more evidence on Modi administration. http://www.cjponline.org/modiscorder/EVIDENCE%20AGAINST%20THE%20MODI%20ADMINISTRATION.pdf |
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| Roshan Pais, India |
Dec 6, 2009 |
Roshan, what are you suggesting Placid here?
To be happy within one self; to Keep quite. Do not talk truth. Hide the wrongs within?
That is not correct. -DP
Placid is right in calling a spade a spade at the right moment. DP
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I am not saying anything of that sort. There were so many other posts and other issues from Placid and I am commenting something else and not these points.
Calling spade a spade is indeed a good thing.
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| Roshan Pais, India |
Dec 6, 2009 |
Dear DP,
I like what you have written in reply. I too like you -want to discuss other issues than religion and have from time to time have openly said that all religions are man made and humans and their organizations are not without flaws.
Personally I do not have any issue in singing any song. I however cannot endorse the view that singing a song can make you a better patriot ( canaries sing songs too).
Again my comments are only to point out that - in your debate, for using the Vandemataram - as a CARD for down playing a community. There are so many other issues!!
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There are issues, but it depends on engaging a dialogue - But I felt there were mix up of things - confusing to the reader.
From your explanation given here - I now know what you were trying to say.
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Our intentions may be good (I include myself in this) but our arguments (mine too) to engage in dialogue may back fire.
I am trying to distance myself from religious issues - but it is difficult when our freedom to express our arguments (mine included) - attack the way of life of others. We get drawn invariably.
I am not against any organization per se or would not like to keep a closed mind at least.
But it is my experience that organizations like RSS seem like hitting the very social fabric - because of the indoctrination they receive. So all their good intentions may not yield results or may be counterproductive.
You can see from comments from average minority members having a complete block to consider Sangh parivar as anything but trouble mongers. How can they change that?
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Let me tell you a secret why I enjoy the EYT.
It is because of 3 people with opposing views (I may not agree with them but I like the conversation and counter arguments).
They are a triad: First one is Nagendra second one is Ibrahim Hussain and third one is DP!!! (so don't loose heart keep writing).
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We may occasionally spar but thats only temporary- religions can make friends into enemies!! (thats their power and EYT is not an exception to that).
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I am sad that BJP is down to this sad state of affairs - we need 2 or more strong parties at the national level. BJP instead of addressing real issues is caught up in the maze of religion. Its a shame. I am not a supporter of Congress but would like a good opposition. In elections they( BJP) did poorly and NOW IN THE OPPOSITION they seems to be DOING EXACTLY the same POOR PERFORMANCE!!
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| Austin Prabhu, USA |
Dec 6, 2009 |
| Puttur Dinesh, Shitapaaniya is cold drink. It should he sheeta paniya. |
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| Kudpi Rajanikanth Shenoy, India |
Dec 6, 2009 |
I think you should send your 'Tweet' to Barkha Dutt
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C'mon guys! Are you trying to drag Barkha Dutta (Dutta with an extra A, Mind It!) for a Birdie Dance with some celebration?
Count me in! :D |
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| Kiran, USA |
Dec 6, 2009 |
Can you explain what is "Sthithapajnya" - PD
If you ignore the typo, Arjuna had the exact same question towards the end of Chapter 2 of Bhagavadgita. He did not have google or a nighantu to look it up. So he asked Sri Krishna - How would you describe a Sthitha-prajna.
PS: I will not give the answer here, but if you are interested in knowing the description of the word/person who is sthithaprajna, you can listen to the answer (mp3s)
http://arshabodha.org/gita/gita_06_07_08_ch2_v54_57.mp3
and
http://arshabodha.org/gita/gita_06_07_15_ch2_v58_61.mp3
before the topic changes to the psychology of anger. |
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| Kudpi Rajanikanth Shenoy, India |
Dec 6, 2009 |
'calling a spade a spade'
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Many phrases like this are used in EYT of late!
Can't we do without such stereotype phrases and use simple original words?
I also find quotes from Bhagavadgita and other Holy Books quoted here on daily basis. The fever catches on myself as well, when I quote Tagore or other scholars!
Sometimes it looks as if we are having a "Kavi Sammelan" here in EYT, whereas within ourselves, we are no better than "Kapis"! :D
"Kapis" or Apes who mimic others!
My idea is to make our expressions simpler and reachable to the masses who have basic knowledge of English, who may be benefited by our discussions here.
Any suggestions here? |
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| Kudpi Rajanikanth Shenoy, India |
Dec 6, 2009 |
Can you explain what is "Sthithapajnya"
I tried google couldnot find a good explanation. Also the pronounciation would be nice.
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PD, let me take liberty and explain what that means. Hope, DP won't mind my interference!
Sthita+Prajna+Sthitaprajna
Prajna means one who has the sense of perception.
Sthita means one who is not moved....still!
Hence Sthitaprajna means one who is not moved by any emotions. In other words, unassuming, or un-emotional kind of person.
If you ask me the American way of explaining, I must say "A Cool Guy"!
If DP has better definitions, go ahead ji! :D |
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| Kiran, USA |
Dec 6, 2009 |
| I can understand your frustration, having changed your name from Shenoy to Shen and now somebody impersonates Shen ! I had someone else use Kiran, USA but I guess it is a common name and I did not have to change my id like Original R.Pai. Please keep posting your comments maybe with a place name as you make good thoughtful points. |
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| Bonnie, USA |
Dec 6, 2009 |
Reactors in India (except Tarapur) are all of obsolete CANDU design. India is still blacklisted from receiving any updates and is groping in the dark - Sampath
Some years ago, there was a report in TOI( Times of India) saying that the livestock in Tarapur area started dying due to some mysterious disease and they found out that the cause was due to radiation. The report was later on quelled due to pressure from
powers that be. Similarly there was a uranium enrichment plant being set up in Mysore and I think Kuvempu's son(Poornachandra Tejaswi) started writing against it, as to how dangerously it was within the city limits. I do not know what happened after that. People do not realise the dangers posed by this kind of foolhardy ventures under the misguided notion of nationalism.
I am all for self dependency and self reliance in technology. However if it is shrouded in mystery and helpless people have to pay the price, then it should be called into question. |
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| Kiran, USA |
Dec 6, 2009 |
Children can be molded with good values or they can be repeatedly told lies about minorities and conversions so that when that child grows up - this becomes a deep conviction and this is reflected in comments passed in E.Y.T. Same is true of children raised with deep hatred to west and western people. There is no medicine for this!! -- Roshan Pais
I have not seen anyone who has a hatred towards the West in EYT including myself. I hope Christians be good Christians with all their heart, Muslims be good Muslims and Hindus be good Hindus. How hard is it to understand that nobody likes others to step on their toes or invade their space or steal their members. I am glad that people denounce Church attacks, but they are ignorant if they do not simultaneously denounce the factors that led to those retaliations too. I repeat Na rahega bans Na bhajegi bansuri. No conversion, no religious violence to worry about. No situations for politicians to take advantage of. Conversions are the spark that light up religious violence and hatred. |
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| M.HUSSAIN, Qatar |
Dec 6, 2009 |
Dear DP Kumar
I have raised an important issue in my response to Roshan Pais. You may please join replying……..DP KUAMR
The nation we have India got through independent from British. As for Muslims contribution to nation building only history would prove you. Till the last blood Shaheed tipu sulthan fought the British and became martyr in 1799. Then the British declared in England “NOW WE WON INDIA”. Its not too far in 1857 (only 58 years) the independence struggle began from Western India of Bengal by Bahadur shah zafar. Finally Indians granted INDEPENDENCE from British.
Just for opposing two stanza of Vande Matheram you cannot question the patriotism of community. The two stanzas are contradicting tenets of Islam. Here again its not the song plays role but writer of the song Bankim Chandra. The song was taken from his novel “ANAND MUTH”. Novel that preaches Anti-Minority hatred not only for Muslims but Christians & Sikhs. BY law you cannot force anybody to sing a song nor you instruct fly tri-color flag on your roof top. If RSS so patriot let them flur national flag on 15th August in shakas all over India. They will never do it because for them “SAFFRON FLAG” is above the national flag.
Hate philosophy in India is not new (FROM HISTORY). Then Aryan versus Dravidian now RSS preaches hatred against Muslims. Don’t think it ends now. It will be forever. Pahle Kasai bad meh Isaai (First Muslims & then Christains). |
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| Stany D'Souza, USA |
Dec 6, 2009 |
"If we analyse the reasons for provocations on fabric of society especially from the angle of people in our twin districts-with difference to the two main religions -Christianity and Islam - it may be due to their attitude with adoption of external culture, names, followings and affinity expressed and keeping the tailboard of faith and following as minority." -- N. S. Shenoy, India.
Mr. Shenoy, with this, where is the provocation. It is silly on your part to say that MERE different names and practices of Christianity and Islam are provocations. What do you mean by external culture. The wearing of pants and shirts are western clothing attire. So, do you think, this is western culture? If it is most of the people wear it irrespective of religion, so why do you criticize Christians and Islam. Why don't you criticize Sikhism, Jainism and Buddhism?
Please call "Spade a Spade". If you don't like minority religions, don't say that it is their problem and attribute your thinking to some abstract and useless ideologies. I would say it is YOUR PROBLEM and don't generalize it. |
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| Puttur Dinesh, USA |
Dec 6, 2009 |
Hey DP
Can you explain what is "Sthithapajnya"
I tried google couldnot find a good explanation. Also the pronounciation would be nice.
Thanks |
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| Stany D'Souza, USA |
Dec 6, 2009 |
"Shameless BJP party. They are saying we are committed to Ram temple. People want ROTI KAPADA AUR MAKAN first and not Ram temple and that is why BJP lost two Lokshabha elections and will loose in future. By building Ram Temple all the problems will not solve in India. Due to this, problems have arised by demolishing the Masjid. Why BJP is blaming Narsimha Rao for the crime they have committed. A person who is dead and gone cannot even defend himself and now the blame is put on Rao a dead person who is no more." -- Jayalaxmi, India
Great observation there Jayalaxmi. I fully endorse your view. Its a shame that BJP pulls this stupid stunt. |
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| Shareef Moideen, Mangalore/ Jeddah, , Saudi Arabia |
Dec 6, 2009 |
| If you are not spokesman of RSS, why did you respond to me when my comments were addressed to someone else? When you talk something on behalf of individual or organization, you should be prepared to answer the queries. |
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| Shareef Moideen, Mangalore/ Jeddah, Saudi Arabia |
Dec 6, 2009 |
| How you can brush off your responsibilities, you were arguing for RSS. |
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| Shareef Moideen, Mangalore/ Jeddah, Saudi Arabia |
Dec 6, 2009 |
I asked you first, so you have to tell me what is the definition of Secular according to RSS?
Maintain first come first serve rule. |
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| Kiran, USA |
Dec 6, 2009 |
Shareef Moideen,
If you want to join the RSS, I am sure they will welcome you. We, as Indians, have been fed a steady diet of news as the media sees it fit to print and the bias against the freedom struggle of the RSS can be traced back to pre-Independent India. It may or may not be possible for minorities to look at RSS for what it is, rather than the picture painted by the media.
Since you refer to Ayodhya, you also must be aware of a very hidden story of the one person who lit a fire under this debate: Rajiv Gandhi from the Congress I party. http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?224878
Now, coming to your contention of Gujarat verses Bombay, why did Bombay have to suffer and not any other Metro like Delhi ? How about cities in UP which is in the same state as Ayodhya ? You say the the Gujarat High Court and Supreme Court gave contradicting opinions and you feel that the one that favors your point of view is the right one ? We all know National Human Rights Commission is appointed by the Prime Minister/President and is a mere puppet as is the CBI and their bias for a long time now, even before Gujarat. I fully agree with you that truth should prevail in the courts and only then can we label anyone as guilty or not. The fact is fingers are pointed only at the BJP CM whereas the Congress CM goes scott free. |
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| D.P.Kumar, India |
Dec 6, 2009 |
"If one is not happy within one self - one can find fault with others, blame rest of the people or community church, leaders, temples etc etc. - DOES THAT SOLVE THE PROBLEM??"- Roshan Pais to Placid
Roshan, what are you suggesting Placid here?
To be happy within one self; to Keep quite. Do not talk truth. Hide the wrongs within?
That is not correct.
Placid is right in calling a spade a spade at the right moment. |
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| D.P.Kumar, India |
Dec 6, 2009 |
Shareef Moideen,
Before asking me what is Secular in RSS, tell me what you think is perceived as secular as per Islam? |
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| D.P.Kumar, India |
Dec 6, 2009 |
"You were marxist thinker. Did you shift to RSS?"-Hussain queries.
Hussain bhai, Marxist way of thinking is studying different aspects and deducing our own conclusions (mostly on scientific ways and means). There is no question of shifting from the way of thinking.
I have raised an important issue in my response to Roshan Pais. You may please join replying. |
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| Judith L, India |
Dec 6, 2009 |
| When I responded to all the comments posed by Placid to his satisfaction. why a third person i.e. you, digging the nails in the ground and trying to spoil the peace. Please learn to respect others happiness and of course peace be with you. |
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| Judith L, India |
Dec 6, 2009 |
| At least, I am not communicating hatred. when you are involved in charity work you will put yourself in the needy person's shoes and hopefully become a wiser person. I hope you will start doing so soon, if you have not yet started. Peace be with you. |
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| D.P.Kumar, India |
Dec 6, 2009 |
"Will any of the dignatories supposed to probe this 'sabotage' dare to ask NPC and AERB to come clean about the sealing of coolant-moderator?"-Sampath Iyengar
Sampath, do you think they will now make some scapegoats for the fault in the coolant? |
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| D.P.Kumar, India |
Dec 6, 2009 |
"let me know the definition of SECULAR according to RSS," Shareef Moideen
Shareef, I am not a spokesman for RSS nor can I take any of its responsibility. |
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| D.P.Kumar, India |
Dec 6, 2009 |
Roshan,
Keeping the reality around us in mind that I express my opinion. I have been far away from these religious issues for a long span of my life as I was more involving my mind on economic issues.
But of late, after starting reading the opinions from many educated people, I felt myself as at guilt for having kept aloof and mum.
Do you subscribe to the view that a person has to give cent percent priority to religion and refuse to or stand opposed to the nationally accepted principles, laws, songs, flags, anthems etc where he lives? If people of that sect;- of course a minority at present, dare to reject in the open the nationally accepted ethos, I think, it is time we take our stand right now; lest we may regret later.
As regarding Vande Mataram, I confess that I do not know the song in full nor I knew whether worshipping or respecting of Mother (nation, earth or some other thing) is there. I came across the opposition to “singing” of Vande Mataram only from the fatwas as news appearing in the newspapers leading to debate.
When we sang Jana Gana Mana during our school days, we never went deep in to its meaning. So with the one or two stranzas of Vande Mataram. We only knew, that it was the beginning or end of the programme.
Who made it an issue and refused to sing? Not the majority, not the Christians, not the Sikhs, not the Budhists, not the Dalits, not the poor and hungry. But it was by a section of the Muslims. Their thoughts are based on the thinking that the Islam is above the Nation.
The first question now to be answered is, is religion above nation? The second question is whom was that religion made for? Do you forsake the Nation for the sake of your belief in a particular religion? Do you want to keep yourself away and isolated from the mainstream for the sake of that belief?
No. Somewhere you may have to compromise as a rational human being rather than a sentimental gawk. If you are adamant, then you are turning the table against yourselves.
That’s all.
I think, I have made every attempt to explain the reality and what the need of the hour is. |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Dec 6, 2009 |
Is it not what Lord Krishna advised Arjuna in the battle field ? - D P Kumar
D P Maam,
Have you heard the Geeta Saara which is most often scene in wall hangings? "What is the point in weeping over what you have lost? To lose something, what is it that you own? To own something, what is it that you brought/made/created? Yesterday it was with someone else, today it is with you and tomorrow it will be with someone else. Modern World is dynamic, change is the order of the day". The Geeta Saara I read was in Kannada. Not able to recall it exactly. Hence the English version. But it's all so easy to preach. If I miss my I-Pod or Pen Drive, I am like a fish out of water!
The last sentence of the Geeta Saara is my own addition. Our economics Professor used to begin her class with that quote :-)
Have you heard "Karm karo. Phal ki aasha phoolwaali se mat karo" |
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| Kiran, USA |
Dec 6, 2009 |
(but no fatwa against Taliban or Al queda and their agents in India) refuse to have a national common civil law as applicable to all the citizen of India -- DP Kumar.
Yes, I believe that every religion should reform or modernize from within itself. It is the best case scenario if Muslims all across the world issue clear fatwas against LeT, Taliban, etc (organizations using religion as justification) just as Churches have moved from Geo-centric to Helio-centric from within and now in the western world are dealing with the fall out of the child abuse stuff from within (and the laws of the countries). Similarly Hindus are increasingly shunning the Caste system, Sati, Dowry, etc from within (with the help of laws too) and I am sure most Hindus are against other harmful practices like the recent news item of throwing and catching babies. I am surprised that when Placid brought up some points some people reacted sharply as though there are no holes in their dosas. Yellara mane dose thoothu. And yes, Common education is the great hope.
PS: For anyone interested, http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/religion/4588289/The-Vatican-claims-Darwins-theory-of-evolution-is-compatible-with-Christianity.html |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Dec 6, 2009 |
I read the above many times, is that writing belongs to you? - Ibrahim Hussain
Not yet. Thinking of owning the exclusive rights of that line with a zero royalty reproduction rights bestowed on you. |
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| Puttur Dinesh, USA |
Dec 6, 2009 |
Hey Naags
I am at work, social networking websites are blocked, if you don't mind please ask her this question.
On 26/11, all the focus was on the people at TaJ, when there 56 people dead at CST. is it because there were white's, rich and famous, no one ever paid any attention to the common brown Indians at CST.
Isn't this bigotory? Isn't this the pot calling the kettle black? |
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| Bonnie, USA |
Dec 6, 2009 |
DP,
You can call my post as theory but that is not what I read from a veteran Bengali journalist(a very senior one), who was a close associate of Gandhiji (I can not recollect his name as it is close to 20 yrs ago) who interviewed the the then Chairman of Nobel peace committee. Just like everyone else, even this journalist felt that Gandhiji rightly deserved the award and he wanted to find out why it was not awarded to him. I can not add anything more than this.
As far as Gandhiji insisting on giving 55 crores to Pakistan:that was because Britain had to return 1+ billion pounds to Indian reserve bank. And Gandhiji rightly insisted that since this money belonged to pre-independent India, part of that should go to Pakistan also(I am not sure what was the exchange rate then).
I also know that immediately after the partition he visited Calcutta and the communal riots stopped within 48 hours(some say within 24 hrs) and he immediately returned to Delhi promising that he will visit Calcutta next time, which he never did as he was killed before that.
I am closing the post on this topic as it can go on forever (I can also go adding what Bertrand Russell said about him, so on and so forth which may not be much helpful in the current context). |
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| Kudpi Rajanikanth Shenoy, India |
Dec 6, 2009 |
Some people enjoy, some may feel annoyed, some may react, majority may ignore. Yet, in the writer there will be a sort of complacency for having expressed his views. Who else will listen?
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DP,
Your candid thoughts are indeed well expressed, analysing the situation prevalent since 2006 till date.
Couldn't be better than this. :)
Let me add here that every thoughts of any writer whould have a free flow and without any fear. Here I must quote Tagore's Poem "Where the mind is without fear".
Shenoy maam seems to have some fear of losing his identity in EYT because of impostors. At the same time, he should be happy that the impostors have given so much importance to Shenoy maam, that he is actually enjoying Bollywood star status in EYT! :D |
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| Shareef Moideen, Mangalore/ Jeddah, Saudi Arabia |
Dec 6, 2009 |
Gopinath,
Small correction, Saudi Arabia is not a republic country or constitutional monarchy like the other Kingdom’s. The Kingdom is absolute monarchy and King of Saudi Arabia is both head of state and the head of government, In 2005, Saudi Arabia had its first municipal votes and male citizens over the age of 21 voted for half of the members of their municipal councils. The interior minister of Saudi Arabia announced that the next municipal council elections even females also can vote. At present, Saudi businesswomen can contest the chamber of commerce polls. |
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| Shareef Moideen, Mangalore/ Jeddah, Saudi Arabia |
Dec 6, 2009 |
Roshan!
I was waiting for the answer from DP regarding Secular definition of RSS, had a thought to ask about Hamas in Palestine and what he thinks about that organization, but you mentioned before me. Thank you Roshan. |
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| Roshan Pais, India |
Dec 6, 2009 |
In my earlier reply to you :
I have incorrectly said that :
1. I am debating with you or questioning your right of faith - I agree its a fundamental human right.
What I meant to say was that I am NOT debating with you about your faith in Christ. |
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| Roshan Pais, India |
Dec 6, 2009 |
Common education is the only hope - opines DP about RSS and Indian muslims
Your points are in the context of your reply to Sareef ("If RSS wants to have secular nation then why it has not tried to reach the minorities.."Shareef Moideen from Saudi Arabia).
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IN my personal opinion, RSS and its likes should not equate the past and indoctrinate the young minds with all that SOFTWARE (or OS as one may call it), which makes the young growing minds to see ORANGE even when there is none.
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I totally dis-agree with your about VANDE MATARAM. Let us not harass Indian muslims based on this one Song. This song is being used as a "read out" for the patriotism of present day muslims and their patriotism. I would say that your point 'education and reform" will eventually make this singing the song a non religious barrier in the future.
Right now it is a silly issue - for- most non indoctrinated minds(with few exceptions) but is a burning issue with indoctrinated minds who equate VANDE MATARUM with Indian culture and patriotism.
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I firmly believe there is half truths and half backed truths and history is used to indoctrinate the minds of young children in RSS ideology. I am not critical of good works of RSS. What I am critical is this indoctrination - assumes the level of faith and deep conviction and leads to lot of animosity and suspicion between grown up people - who otherwise are very good persons and friends but go to dig up history and past transgressions of moguls etc.
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Stone attack by youth are a fact. What is controversial and unacceptable to some are also facts of invovlement of BD activists instigating the youth and running away. These are facts recorded by eye witnesses - i do believe in these facts.
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PS: doing good works. charity and hospitals, in Palestine Hamas is known to do that or likes of that group and has mass appeal among the population there who see them as a patriots.
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| Smitha Rai, UAE |
Dec 6, 2009 |
Sitting inside this vehicle feels as though you are riding on a block of butter sliding down a hot pan. -Rajat
.....What all things you have experienced in your life my friend! @shenu in reply
shenujee,
is that a direct online translation from kannada - "yeenella saamanu neevu jeenavanadalli experience maadiddiri, nann mithrane?"
or in konkani, "kassa pura vosthu thuve jinyent exp kelyai, migel mithra?" |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Dec 6, 2009 |
BDUTT on the show tonight: Not just skin deep prejudice: why are Indians obsessed with Fairness? isn't it a form of bigotry? send your tweets! - Barkha Dutt
Puttur Dinesh Maam, I think you should send your 'Tweet' to Barkha Dutt :-)
Note - When Hindustan Unilever Ltd. conducted a research on Fair & Lovely users, it found out that majority Fair & Lovely users were men. Hence they came up with Fair & Handsome for men. |
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| Shareef Moideen, Mangalore/ Jeddah, Saudi Arabia |
Dec 6, 2009 |
D.P. Kumar,
First of all let me know the definition of SECULAR according to RSS, so I can respond to you accordingly. |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Dec 6, 2009 |
What's the matter with you man? you need some attention? - Puttur Dinesh
Shenoy Maam always writes in a jovial manner PD. So most times we would be in a 'stand at ease' mode than 'attention' mode :-)
Look, Shenoy Maam's detractor has again copied him (He too has stopped posting like Shenoy!!) :D |
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| M.Hussain, Qatar |
Dec 6, 2009 |
RSS stood for unified India.....DP Kumar
Then what they were doing during independence struggle?
You were marxist thinker. Did you shift to RSS? |
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| Ibrahim Hussain, India |
Dec 6, 2009 |
But for me he is a selfless freedom fighter who was never ambitious of the PM chair or a political career.
NS,
I read the above many times, is that writing belongs to you? But excellent and worth praising.
Similarly, great singer Late Muhammad Rafi was denied Palke Award by the committee even after his death. |
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| Ibrahim Hussain, India |
Dec 6, 2009 |
Can Jai Prakash Narayan's and Lohiya's idelogy can be blended with Savarkars ideology?
George,
The two parallel lines cannot join together. |
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| N.S.Shenoy, India |
Dec 6, 2009 |
6 Million Muslims converted to Christianity..
http://www.formermuslims.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=972
Sam Burmuda, you say that the 6 million Muslims converted of their own will?
Please read again the whole text of question and answers in the site referred by you.
It gives a different picture. How conversions to christianity are effected in "Scientific way" in African continent is expressed by Ahamad Al Katani.
That also clears the background on the publicity gimmick of christians converted to Islam.
Worth reading. Thanks. |
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| N.S.Shenoy, India |
Dec 6, 2009 |
Be real, take one stand and don't confuse facts.- Stany D Souza
Why do you often get confused Stany. Please try to read and study what I wrote properly. You have clearly spelt the area of Bharat i,e. India.
It is a land in which it would not matter which God you chose to worship, or you chose not to worship. People pagans, animal and spirit worshippers had their own temples, prayer houses, procedures, communities, living styles, professions, names, surnames, identities in this land.
If we analyse the reasons for provocations on fabric of society especially from the angle of people in our twin districts-with difference to the two main religions -Christianity and Islam - it may be due to their attitude with adoption of external culture, names, followings and affinity expressed and keeping the tailboard of faith and following as minority.
Even though many aspects have been Indianised by Christian followers to join the mainstream, it remained insufficient in our area due to certain socio-economic activities.
There is nothing to get upset at my observations. By your criticism of my observations, you are closing your own door of having a close look at the reasons for differences and ways to find means to overcome the present situation of animosity. |
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| Gopinath K, India |
Dec 6, 2009 |
Switzerland is a modern, liberal and a prime tourist destination and a paradise on earth. -Nelson Lewis
Nelson, the words Modern and liberals of Switzerland can be cross verified with a simple example:
Introduction of women's right to vote :
1919 Germany
1920 USA
1928 UK
1930 Turkey
1934 Portugal
1934 Cuba
1935 India(British Raj)
1944 France
1945 Italy
1949 China
1950 India
1956 Pakistan
1971 Switzerland
In giving women right to vote, switzerland stands last county in Europe. Even Cuba, China, Pakistan and India are much ahead in giving this right.
You can guess whether Switzerland is liberal or modern from this single point.
But as far as Saudi Arabia is concerned, they are yet to give this right to women. It will probably the last country. IF at all gives the right to women to vote? |
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| D.P.Kumar, India |
Dec 6, 2009 |
"Christianity actually invented the idea of humanity as we understand it today"-David Bentley Hard.
Mike, I wonder whether this theologian had any knowledge of the blood stained history at the Vatican? Were not the Popes murdered? What for?
If humanity as what we understand today was "invented" then, it had not percolated down and hence the slavery, sale of men, women and children continued till even the last glorious century. If that "humanity' was accepted, today we would not have found languishing humans suffering with poverty and hunger in one corner and a small section living in unlimited luxury.
Till Portuguese inquisition, we lived peacefully as a society with human approach in Goa is history. |
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| D.P.Kumar, India |
Dec 6, 2009 |
No matter how many times you change your name, they will try and follow you!- KRS to Shenoy.
Raj, I have attempted to study the thoughts from the beginning of this site. I have come across hundreds of expressions criticizing individuals, their thoughts and even their behaviour. Austin, Stany, PD are all much seniors to us. They have probably gone through those bulk of thoughts.
Several issues have been repeating. New people come. They do not look in back issues. Then the arguments start afresh.
Some people write in a way as if to drive the writer away. Cajoling or avoidable ones. You may be knowing, once in political arguments I have been isolated to suffocate. Run was the solution.
But no. A big NO.
Mangalorean.Com is the only forum where you can place your thoughts, may be for yourselves, may be from out of your studies, may be to learn from others, may be to prepare the best DISH.
May be, may be...
Some people enjoy, some may feel annoyed, some may react, majority may ignore. Yet, in the writer there will be a sort of complacency for having expressed his views. Who else will listen?
The Ministers, the Mangalore City Corporation, The Railways and so on..most of the time they are all deaf, blind and dumb.
No response. No replies.
This forum gives us an opportunity to satisfy our heart that I have told someone who listened to the plight.
Then we had very nice nostalgic memories of old movies, songs, dialogues. We had also information on places, hotels and food. Who brought this to the fore in this forum.
Mr. Shenoy.
Are we not to continue to enjoy some of his wits, some lore with little bit of salt.
I take liberty today to ask Shenoy.
What will happen if someone writes impersonating you? Nothing, if you just neglect it.
I take liberty to tell Shenoy -though you are highly learned and experienced than me -that running away is not the solution. Keep writing in the same old tradition of yours and in the style like -what you and Nagendra once, sometime back- noted as "Sthithapajnya". It is from the Bhagawad Geetha which you rever most.
Is it not what Lord Krishna advised Arjuna in the battle field ?
No cooling time for you from me. |
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| N.S.Shenoy, India |
Dec 6, 2009 |
"There is still time, instead of communicating hatred, do some good charity work "- Judith L to me.
Judith, from your posts if I may feel that you are after collecting on charity, I may not be wrong. Often you advice or enquire after charity by others. I hope, you will clarify in what way you are connected to collecting data or advising on charities;-)
Sorry for that comment.
Let me clarify you the main issue that most of the Mangaloreans including me and my family were surprised and shocked on watching the live TV shots and photos of the attacks in the Milagres and Kulshekar churches. What would have been my plight if I was at Kulshekar church compound at that particular moment when the police arrived? I cannot even imagine.
It must be the God Almighty only who has kept us away from those spots and saved us.
Let us pray, such instances will not recur. Let us not comment with angry tones of rhetoric, though we continue to regret the event. |
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| Placid Gregory, Mangalore, India |
Dec 6, 2009 |
| SAME TO YOU TOO. |
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| D.P.Kumar, India |
Dec 6, 2009 |
"If RSS wants to have secular nation then why it has not tried to reach the minorities.."Shareef Moideen from Saudi Arabia
If Muslims refuse to join the secular outfit of India, but issue fatwas over fatwas in different versions, (but no fatwa against Taliban or Al queda and their agents in India) refuse to have a national common civil law as applicable to all the citizen of India, refuse to even join singing Vande Mataram and want to spread in arabic language, do not want their girls to get college education like others, oppose even voluntary family planning measures etc how can any other reach out to them?
RSS stood for unified India. It was opposed to two nation theory. After partition, what did the west Pakistanis do to Bengali Muslims and Hindus till 1971 and the killing of 3 million of them- 80 percent of them marked - H (Hindus) - within a period of 8 months in 1971 will speak of the attitude and agenda.
Even when some educated Muslims wanted to join the mainstream, there was hue and cry against them. This is the tragic situation we are in.
Common education is the only hope. |
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| D.P.Kumar, India |
Dec 6, 2009 |
Parivartaneye jagada niyama. Change is the only constant.:-Nagendra Shenoy
Great thought there Nagendra Shenoy. Thats the undeniable truth. And that causes birth and death.... |
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| D.P.Kumar, India |
Dec 6, 2009 |
"I have given my comments according to my conscience and any counter arguments won't have any impact on me .."Placid to Judith.
Placid, I for one, felt what you expressed as near truth. In the enthusiasm to justify the original wrong notion and comment, Judith appears to attempt hitting nails to the ground!
Now, quantifying and weighing to arrive at who did how much of violation is if not of value today, provocation for violence as a beginning cannot be sidetracked.
Yes, you nor me can deny the original provocation from instances at Milagres. But it will not cover up subsequent provocations that lead to further violence. That is what Placid has proved. Judith has to aceept this. |
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| D.P.Kumar, India |
Dec 6, 2009 |
"Immediately after India got independence from British, a team from nobel peace committed interviewed Mahathma Gandhi and asked him, now that India has got independence what would his recomendation be, if Pakistan attacked India - to which Gandhiji repled, India should defend itslef against Pakistan with all its might." Bonnie presents a new theory!
Reading this probably I would have responded "even Homer sometimes nods!" Or I would have said: half the lies there are not true!
But No. Those days, the main issue in Gandhiji's port was a) hunger strike against communal riots and b) payment of Rs.55 Crores to Pakistan by India.
The story has no value, if the timing mentioned in the comment of questioning by the Nobel committee if presumed to be correct. |
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| Roshan Pais, India |
Dec 6, 2009 |
Who was their daughter-in-law - Mr Roshan Pais
Take cover? You have thrown a stone on a hornet nest- Placid Gregory.
I don't think it will disturb the hornets as those insects have more sense (un-common sense).
It would be delusional to think that that was my intention in the first place.
As an individual - one has faith or one prays to be at peace, to gain spirituality. This primary event then makes that person to see the same in other people, people of same faith as well as people of other faiths - goodness and humanity.
If one is not happy within one self - one can find fault with others, blame rest of the people or community church, leaders, temples etc etc. - DOES THAT SOLVE THE PROBLEM??
Peace be with you!!! |
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| Roshan Pais, India |
Dec 6, 2009 |
First of all let me clarify that :
1. I am debating with you or questioning your right of faith - I agree its a fundamental human right.
2. when I commented, I never criticized the church - if at all I was talking about the history and that is because I believe its a man made institution and managed by men (or women).
3. Being critical about Adam and eve does not criticize your faith - I am not attacking Christ here.
4. If you have read Stany's reply - I agree with his views. Same way I do not find fault with essence of your argument but just was commenting about citing the example of Adam and eve to make your point.
5. Accepting Darwinism or not - is one person's fundamental right. In my point of view Darwinism and the current form of it is still amenable to living beings and still remains as a scientific tenet or dogma.
Unlike religion which is based on faith, Darwinism has not become extinct and increasing its strength because of evidence it accrues.
I do not want to defend Darwinism and take the trouble of answering your question and start a debate about how Ape became man - As primates without tails are apes and we call them as non human primates.
One can still believe in or have faith on creation and still accept the evolution as they need not necessarily contradict each other.
PS: when a child is born - is it a "this or that" would be a better example to cite.
PPS: Children can be molded with good values or they can be repeatedly told lies about minorities and conversions so that when that child grows up - this becomes a deep conviction and this is reflected in comments passed in E.Y.T. Same is true of children raised with deep hatred to west and western people. There is no medicine for this!! |
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| Gregory Mascarenhas, India |
Dec 5, 2009 |
Well church has its share of mistakes
because they are also human beings and very vulnerable.May be they made mistakes because they did not seek guidance from God and thought (like all the people in authority)they are right because they were in position of power.
Trying to descredit God because church made mistakes is like saying that mankind must be destroyed because human
beings from all walks of life make mistakes.Darwinism does not explain how the Ape came into existence nor it explains how the earth is suspended in the air.Faith is something one feels from within and it does not come about
by reasoning.This is my view and I believe that all are entitled to their views because God has given us free will |
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| Bonnie, USA |
Dec 5, 2009 |
Nagendra Shenoy,
You can rest assured that my information is correct. I do not cut and paste. I knew this information even before the advent of internet.
I do not have much regard for this Nobel award after seeing the Nobel prize awarded to Yessar Arafat.It definitely had some glow during the days of Gandhiji.
The answer to your first question is - I do not know. As I said earlier, the Nobel committee said they deeply regretted the decision and Gandhiji was killed immediately.May be if he was alive they would have had q more time to reconsider the decision.
To answer your second question - I think the subsequent winners are not in the same league as Mahathma Gandhi.
The third question is best left unanswered.
However one of the most fitting tribute to Gandhiji came from Alebrt Einstein, who said that, in the future, generations to come will hardly believe that such a man ever walked on the earth.
Anyway, this is history now. |
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| Puttur Dinesh, USA |
Dec 5, 2009 |
Hey Shen,Shenoy
What's the matter with you man? you need some attention? you better be here everyday to counter my posts or support them, That's what you have asked me to do in the past. :)
I will donate part of my name to you start writing with the name "Puttur Shenoy" I think it will be fun. |
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| Tanya, USA |
Dec 5, 2009 |
Dear Mr. Shenoy (A.K.A. Shen),
I absolutely agree with Mr. K.R. Shenoy.
I have a suggestion for you, why dont you use the name of the city after your name :-))
Cheers!!! |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Dec 5, 2009 |
Thank you Bonnie on that information on why Gandhiji missed the Nobel. I hope that this is the fact and not something that has been flying around in e-mails with authenticity unknown even to the original sender! :D
But some questions -
1. If the Nobel Peace Committee is regretting over it's previous decision of not honouring Gandhiji with a Nobel Peace, does it mean that they accept their earlier decision to be a prejudiced/wrong?
2. If the same question were to be asked to the subsequent winners, especially the current winner, what would their/his opinion/reply be? If they (later) replied/reply "Our nation should DEFEND with all might", will their/his Nobel Peace be taken back?
3. If Nobel Peace Prize has not come his way due to the mentioned reason, what has prevented from him being the awarded the Bharat Ratna, especially when politicians have got it, when there are voices popping after every Sachin hundred or a Amitabh release to honour them with one and latest to the list being to award them to unworthy politicians like Kanshiram, Sitaram Kesari? OK, the Nobel is still not an Indian award, but Bharat Ratna is India\'s own which has also been bestowed on foreigners. With Gandhiji\'s party and followers ruling for atleast 90% of the time post-Independence, why have they failed to confer him the Bharat Ratna? Even between 2001 to 2008 when we did not find any suitable person to be awarded the Bharat Ratna, why was there no thought on awarding it to Gandhiji posthumously?
Gandhiji has remained a mere shield in the hands of a few today - elevating his photos during elections, in party offices for political mileage etc. Sometimes I feel that even the freedom struggle was a political and self-glory enhancing game for a few. Some claim that Gandhiji was a failure as a father of his children though he is the 'Father of the Nation'. But for me he is a selfless freedom fighter who was never ambitious of the PM chair or a political career. |
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| Kudpi Rajanikanth Shenoy, India |
Dec 5, 2009 |
I will only be reading the posts here. No more writing.
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Shen/Shenoy maam,
Good writers, books, painters, actors or movies always have good followers/bad imitations.
No matter how many times you change your name, they will try and follow you!
I have enjoyed reading most of your posts in EYT especially naustalgic thoughts and I feel, you should not get upset with this latest happening.
Same goes to Original Pai Maam and others who may feel uneasy at times.
Show must go on, folks! |
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| Bonnie, USA |
Dec 5, 2009 |
Why MAHATHMA GANDHI missed the Nobel Award for Peace.
Immediately after India got independence from British, a team from nobel peace committed interviewed Mahathma Gandhi and asked him, now that India has got independence what would his recomendation be, if Pakistan attacked India - to which Gandhiji repled, India should defend itslef against Pakistan with all its might. Hearing this the committe memebers concluded that Gandhiji's non-violence principles are not universal but utilitarian and decided against awarding the Nobel for peace. Later on the peace committee said that one of its biggest regert was: not awarding the Nobel peace award to Gandhiji.
Why am I writing this:to reproduce the circumstances so that the readers have the information. |
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| Judith L, India |
Dec 5, 2009 |
| Now that we have got a proper response to all your comments. Let peace be with you. Remove the hatred from your heart and you will be a much happier man. |
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| Placid Gregory, Mangalore, India |
Dec 5, 2009 |
Please don't make unnecessary remarks without properly going through what I have written. right from day one. I am not against anybody, person or institution. When I found something wrong, I have pointed out and given my views. Accept graciously when somebody points out ones mistakes and correct it. If anybody retorts without any reason, it is my duty to respond accordingly and convince him or her as could be seen in my comments. I am not duty bound to disclose details to anybody of my social service activities. I will do it according to my abilities.
Please note that provocations without due reasons will have to be responded accordingly. Its left to the discretion of the readers whether to continue this dialogue and allow new issues to crop up or put an end to it.
I have given my comments according to my conscience and any counter arguments won't have any impact on me except endless prolonging of the argument. |
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| Jerome Francis, India |
Dec 5, 2009 |
| Your reaction to my reply confirms that I was much closer to the truth then you anticipated. I am satisfied. |
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| Shareef Moideen, Mangalore/ Jeddah, Saudi Arabia |
Dec 5, 2009 |
India was, is and will always be a secular nation and RSS wants to keep it that way – Kiran
Kiran! If RSS wants to have secular nation then why it has not tried to reach the minorities to its fold and statement from RSS chief that “RSS has not regrets over Babri Masjid razing” and other facts available about RSS contradicts your claim that RSS wants to have secular nation.
The blind love for Modi is obliging you to give some irrelevant justification, forget about the political parties, just answer me why did Supreme Court, expressed its displeasure at the government's handling of the case. The Court also rebuked both the Gujarat High Court and the local justice system, stating, “Judicial criminal administration system must be kept clean and beyond the reach of whimsical political wills or agendas.” Do you think that has the judge is also from Congress party and no chief minister was denied visa to US but Modi visa was revoked under Section 212 (a)(2)(g) of the Immigration and Nationality Act and stated that their decision was based on the report by the National Human Rights Commission (NHRC) of India. The US government didn’t act on the information available in the link you provided but they took decision on the Human Rights Commission report. Let the truth prevail in the court of the creator because no money & political influence can stop it. |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Dec 5, 2009 |
You cannot blame the youth, who react fast especially when they see innocent and unarmed women and children beaten up - Judith
The whole nation and even Puttur Dinesh Maam of USA on YouTube along with a few Brazilians, Swedish, Jamaicans, Malays have seen the 'fast reaction' of young Burjeeworld.com reporters in Amnesia! |
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| Shen, India |
Dec 5, 2009 |
It is nun of your business, Judith seems to tell Placid or other way round?
-'Shen' India
Some one has tried to write in my name here.In protest to this uncivilised way of trying to write using another person's name, I have decided that I will no longer be contribuiting to this forum.
Judith, sorry, some one has tried to say some thing using my name. Henceforth if any post comes under the name Shen or any name trying to point at me, rest assured that I will only be reading the posts here. No more writing.
Good Bye. |
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| Judith L, India |
Dec 5, 2009 |
| very noble thought. |
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| Judith L, India |
Dec 5, 2009 |
| Bombay and Gujarat riots - Main sufferer - the Indian common man, whose life and property was destroyed. You think the people who supported this are happy. they will never be, the guilt of killing so many people will torment them even after death. |
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| Judith L, India |
Dec 5, 2009 |
| Very well said. |
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| Placid Gregory, Mangalore, India |
Dec 5, 2009 |
| Your comment states that you have stooped to level as to a canine family where whatever happens a sleeping dog doesn't bark even someone tries to wake it up. Don't get to that level and bring disgrace to the community. We are human beings here and belong to a civilised world. Comments and dialogue should be within the parameter of decency. You have shown your true colour. |
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| Judith L, India |
Dec 5, 2009 |
| Placid, You seem to see wrong in every thing. We respect your comments and have also responded to it accordingly, but still you seem to have a problem. how much good are you doing for the society? |
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| Judith L, India |
Dec 5, 2009 |
| I have already made it clear, to not to get personal and treated every deserving female as a lady. Placid, After the priest, nuns, christian youth, now you have problem with the christian women also. I hope it is not the christian children and infant next. |
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| Nelson Lewis, Bahrain |
Dec 5, 2009 |
Dear Mr. Shen,
Sometime in 1920s, work was in progress to develop a rough terrain vehicle to replace motor cycles and a particular model of Ford trucks. This led to the Jeep’s invention. The credit for inventing jeep should go to Ward Canady, who died in 1975.
Initially, Jeep was called G.P., which meant “General Purpose” and three U.S. companies were invited to make prototypes. Jeep made an entry in a big way during the World War II, when this vehicle became the “workhorse” for the Allied forces, as a surface vehicle, for transport and reconnaissance and the British elite fighting force, namely S.A.S. also used it for combat against Desert Fox's, Rommel’s “Afrika Korps,” by operating deep behind enemy’s lines.
Jeep has rendered yeoman services in many conflicts and wars and United States wanted to phase it off and replace it with still better, sturdier, heavy duty and heavy load vehicle. Thus in the 1991 war, we first saw the appearance of “Humvee,” a military version of “Hummer,” that made an entry later.
I would consider Hummer to be a gas guzzler and a status symbol and certainly not a fuel efficient vehicle. These vehicles should not be manufactured because, when we are talking about saving the planet, it gulps petrol and contributes to pollution and ecological disaster.
Hummer is meant for stinking rich, whocannot figure out how to spend their ever inflowing income and incredulous wealth.
Though certainly not comfortable, but old Land Rover and Willys jeeps, considering their costs, are certainly tough terrain vehicles and "value-for-money" goods. |
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| Placid Gregory, Mangalore, India |
Dec 5, 2009 |
Who was their daughter-in-law - Mr Roshan Pais
Take cover? You have thrown a stone on a hornet nest. |
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| Judith L, India |
Dec 5, 2009 |
| You cannot blame the youth, who react fast especially when they see innocent and unarmed women and children beaten up, who were protesting peacefully. but still after that there is no other such incident reported on behalf of catholic youth, but the desecretion of holy sacrament and churches is still continuing. why do you want to spoil the peace. you think you are a majority and can harm the minority people by commiting to riots in all this it the life and property of common man which is at stake where as the rich and politicians are always saved from this massacre. besides may be many common people from minority community will die but a few from majority will also die due want to face God by killing each other. God has created humans and only God has the right to decide upon our death, we human being cannot offend God by killing each other. After our death, we have to all face the Almighty and will be judged on the basis of our righteousness. There is still time, instead of communicating hatred, do some good charity work and seek blessings from the Almighty for yourself and your family and you will have peace and happiness. All the best. |
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| Stany D'souza, USA |
Dec 5, 2009 |
"When God created Adam & Eve he did not
call them Jews, Christians, Hindus Muslims, Buddhists, Sikhs etc. He sent his son Jesus Christ for the redemption of mankind 2000 years ago." -- Gregory Mascarenhas.
These are convictions of Christians in general but reality is not all Christians believe in whatever written or said. Especially, the issue of Adam and Eve, I do believe strictly as a fiction. I absolutely, do not believe that literally. |
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| Judith L, India |
Dec 5, 2009 |
| Okay, Keep on fighting the name of religion and come closer to the Talibans of Pakistan and Afghanistan and ruin the Country, if that pleases you. |
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| Stany D'Souza, USA |
Dec 5, 2009 |
"Stany, is it class room and you are the teacher with cane in hand? Just enquire Pope stationed at Vatican, if you are a catholic." -- N.S. Shenoy
Mr. Shenoy, you have misunderstood what Pope can do and what he can not do. All Catholic need not necessarily ask the Pope or even the priest for religious guidance. We do question priests also during our social events or get together.
For your kind information, I am not really worried about religious differences rather, I am really worried about taking undue advantage of any religion and creating communal disharmony; or in other words taking law and order into their own hands by any groups or individuals, especially for political gains and/or with pretentious reasons of so called, "conversions".
I am always of the opinion that, if there are illegal conversions, there is law and order to take care of it. Fundamental groups which have mushroomed since a decade or so, is not a solution but they are driving force for communal disharmony and violence.
My strongest critique comes only when facts are tested in murky waters and when we do some beating around the bush. So, if you feel like I act like "teacher with cane in hand", I will not apologize for your personal opinion and for sure that was not my intention. |
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| Placid Gregory, Mangalore, India |
Dec 5, 2009 |
| What do you mean by harassment? Please go through my comments starting from the first one and then accuse. I have already made it clear, to not to get personal and treated every deserving female as a lady. Don't make me change that stand. I have raised objections only in cases were there is no transparency, and in cases of partisan attitude, hypocracy, discrimination and not blamed every one. Instead of being a hypocrite by sheepishly following everything one says, it is worthwhile to raise objections where it is needed, make one understand, so that there is a welcome change in the society. And I have not threatened that I would bring out any 'skeletons from the cupboard' and publish names, facts and figures. It's OK with my financial status because of my hard and honest work and I don't expect or extend my hand for any charity but instead extended my helping hand according to my ability. Raising genuine objections against irregularities does not mean one has given up his or her religion. I am still a believer in GOD. |
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| Alfred J. Rebello, Dubai,, UAE |
Dec 5, 2009 |
Just enquire Pope stationed at Vatican, if you are a catholic.- N.S. Shenoy.
Why POPE? Even you can ask your head of the religious man as per your religious belief if you did not understood what Mr. D'souza is trying to say. |
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| Nelson Lewis, Bahrain |
Dec 5, 2009 |
Mr. Roshan Pais,
I did not mean to say:
"In short, I do not think that Switzerland is a place that is not a hell to stay," but, in fact, I meant to say, "Switzerland is not a place that is a hell to stay."
Sorry for the goof-up.
I know the life in Saudi Arabia and have seen how Saudis behave when they visit places where life is permissive.
Regards,
Nelson |
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| Alfred J. Rebello, Dubai,, UAE |
Dec 5, 2009 |
In short, I do not think that Switzerland is a place that is not a hell to stay. - Nelson Lewis, Bahrain.
Nelson, Switzerland is not even heaven to stay unless you have a bank account filled with black (Or white?) money there. For Indians it could be black money, but for Switzerland, it is pure white and therefore they are refusing to give details to Indian authorities. India may be suffering but Switzerland is surely enjoying with the Indian black money. Can someone explain to me, how it looks like because whatever money I see is coloured? |
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| Jerome Francis, India |
Dec 5, 2009 |
What do you mean by peaceful protest? Go out on the street, pelt stones, get beaten up by police, jailed and then curse everybody. placid
Placid the pelting of stones was done only in one church. Hot blood coming to the fore when they saw women and children being beat up though they should have not taken law in their hand. In all the other churches peaceful protests were carried out.
You are chewing this topic like a dog with a bone. Either you are a hindu with a christian name specially created for this forum or you are a christian who wants to be praised for your impartial (as you feel) views. High time for you to start chewing on a meatier bone. |
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| Nelson Lewis, Bahrain |
Dec 5, 2009 |
Mr. Roshan Pais,
I have read your views and probably you may have misunderstood me.
What I am trying to imply is that Muslims, Hindus or practitioners of other faiths, can go to the houses of worship for praying in Switzerland.
There are no temples and churches in Saudi Arabia and if one is to conduct any religious activities, then better watch out. One is doing it at his own risk.
I am just trying to imply that there is freedom of expression and the opportunity to follow one's religion in Switzerland. In general, Switzerland is any day a better place and there is freedom of worship and expression. Further, Switzerland is one of the foremost tourist destinations, the leading manufacturer of chocolates, quality wrist watches, etc. Some Swiss products are of top quality.
I wonder if there are drums kept at the airports and other entry points by the Customs authorities in Switzerland to chuck off holy books of religions other than Islam, any keepsakes or decorative items like, for example, statues of Parvati, Shiva, Saraswati, Laxmi, food items, etc.
Before I conclude, my hats off to the rulers of Bahrain, who have been magnanimous in allowing people of other faiths to construct churches and temples, understandably with certain conditions. Here, Roman Catholics have two churches at Manama and Awali, different denominations of Protestants have their own churches too. Hindus have their temples.
Further, one can express their thoughts in the print media.
In short, I do not think that Switzerland is a place that is not a hell to stay. |
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| N.S.Shenoy, India |
Dec 5, 2009 |
"When you point finger and blame others, be mindful that, ."Stany to me.
Stany, is it class room and you are the teacher with cane in hand? Just enquire Pope stationed at Vatican, if you are a catholic. |
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| Shen, India |
Dec 4, 2009 |
It is the cubic capacity of the engine, not the power. Sorry for the inconvenience.
Rajat
That means it is a gas guzzler without any doubt. Higher the engine capacity, lower the mileage.
I personally like Land Rover discovery much better.Even Toyota Prado is a good vehicle.But every one has his own choice I suppose.
PS: It would have made more sense if a right hand drive vehicle was inported. Don't they make RHD Hummers?
PPS:Why is that the whole world has no uniform code for the roads? |
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| N.S.Shenoy, India |
Dec 4, 2009 |
"Go out on the street, pelt stones, get beaten up by police, jailed and then curse everybody. I have already explained what should have been done and by whom on the first day itself."-Placid Gregory
I agree with the facts mentioned by you. All are not holy cows as claimed by Judith !
It is experience of people in the bus at around 3.30 in that noon coming from Karkala, Moodbidri side towards Mangalore to have met with stone pelting at Vamanjoor church. The buses had to return; couple of them damaged.
We had first hand reports from a family stranded and suffered on that fateful day. |
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| N.S.Shenoy, India |
Dec 4, 2009 |
"The day we Indian stop fighting on religion and treat it is a personal affair of individuals that day there will be peace and harmony and India will be counted among the developed nations"- Judith L
Developed, developing and under developed are the terms based on economic and industrial progress of countries. It is not based on religion, fighting etc. |
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| Shen, India |
Dec 4, 2009 |
It's all coming to an end. - Nagendra maam
Reminds me of that famous song' Jab dil hi toot gaya, hum jeeke kya karenge' sung by none other than Kundan Lal Saigal. I have heard that song many times on radio ceylon [Pachchis meter band mein gyara hazaar aat sau, untaalis meter band mein chey hazaar nau sau]usually at 7.57 AM.Similarly bhoole bisre geet on Vividh bhaarati [11 PM] also used to carry some real good songs. [Rang aur noor ki baaraat kisse paysh karoon- Rafi]Gone are those days too my friend.Ab sirf iss liye jee rahen hein ki haske jeene ka waada kiya thaa kabhi. |
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| Shen, India |
Dec 4, 2009 |
Placid, I agree there are few priest and nuns wo donot meet our expectations but the same exist in other communities also. based on a few, you cannot generalise all the priest and nuns.-Judith
It is nun of your business, Judith seems to tell Placid or other way round?
PS: Do you know anything about Battle of Plassey, Judith? |
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| Roshan Pais, India |
Dec 4, 2009 |
God created adam and EVE?
Are you so sure? Or is this some story to explain the natural evolution to preDarwinian populace?
Remember - Church was harsh against Gallileo and Copernicus ( church of the past not of the present).
Who was their daughter-inLaw?
PS: Darwin was right or wrong depends on the evidence .
Does it depend on our incomplete understanding of Darwinism.? Same may be true of religion and functioning of religious bodies.
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| Kiran, USA |
Dec 4, 2009 |
Mike,
It is indeed the Western civilization who indulged in slavery has to ban slavery. India had its own social evils and banned them. Correcting an earlier mistake does not earn a country, civilization or religion any moral high ground, but is definitely better than not rectifying mistakes of the past. If you want to talk about evidence and counter evidence, I can provide plenty of it. It may be offensive to others and that is not my intention. So let us leave it here. |
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| Mike, USA |
Dec 4, 2009 |
| Evidence supports Hart's claim. Only one civilization found moral arguments to ban slavery. It is obvious you are not interested in looking at the evidence. |
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| Raj, India |
Dec 4, 2009 |
John Lennon was murdered by some one who thought he was John Lennon and that the person hogging the lime light was a duplicate. Shen
Shen it looks like real Shah Rukh's life is in danger:) He needs to keep out of reach of Munna if he wants to live. |
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| Judith L, India |
Dec 4, 2009 |
| Ashok and Placid, by any means don't u see the population of christians small. then why do you harrass us. just because by faith we cannot retailiate. Placid, I agree there are few priest and nuns wo donot meet our expectations but the same exist in other communities also. based on a few, you cannot generalise all the priest and nuns. They have to serve the society as a whole and not one or two persons, who if missed out have a personal grudge against them. Besides, as far helping the poor christians is concerned that work is already carried out by the BCCs of all parishes, may be some do not get the benefit, since they do not want to work and want free service. This BCCs are run by the lay people. I feel you have not read all these things well or someone has given you half information and Ashok what about helping the poor who figure regularly in the "Please Help" columns from your community. |
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| D.P.Kumar, India |
Dec 4, 2009 |
"Swiss people are tight ass, upright people and are conservative in their own right." Roshan Pais
Your opinion may be correct.
I am surprised today to hear that Women there have voted against " voting right for women" !!
Similarly, majority in referendum will be opposed to raising minaret there. |
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| Bonnie, USA |
Dec 4, 2009 |
In The Descent of Man, Charles Darwin made the revelation of his study that if one tribe included a greater number of courageous, sympathetic and faithful members who were always ready to warn each other of danger, to aid and defend each other, this tribe would succeed better and conquer the other- DP Kumar
At the outset, I must admit that I have apprehensions in responding to your posts as your replies come across as a man who is blubbering at the replies(and I could be wrong here).
Now coming to Darwin, this is a classic case of what happens when a theologian turns into a biologist( Darwin was a trained theologian and not a biologist). I am still not able to comprehend why should the living beings under the water evolve into animals living above the water. At the least, there could never be famine in the ocean(sea) and they have better chance of survival than animals living on the land. This does not lend much credence to the kind of theoritical syncretism that is furthered by heavyweights under the duress of strafing everyone who doesn't agree with them.
It reminds me of a story wherein, the then President, Abe Lincoln once asked his audience - if you count the tail as leg, how many legs a dog has and the audience replied, as expectedly - five. To which Lincoln replied, just because someone calls the tail a leg, it does not make it so. May be we need someone like Lincoln to deliver us from the enslavement to words.
Oh yeah ... QUE SERA SERA .. |
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| Placid Gregory, Mangalore, India |
Dec 4, 2009 |
| Nobody can that easily brainwash me and change me. For your information I have not diviated from my conviction that spade always is a spade. Please refer to my reply a little while ago. You will be convinced. |
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| Placid Gregory, Mangalore, India |
Dec 4, 2009 |
| What do you mean by peaceful protest? Go out on the street, pelt stones, get beaten up by police, jailed and then curse everybody. I have already explained what should have been done and by whom on the first day itself. Its the duty of the religious heads to meet the concerned people, convince and settle amicably. And not for the people to take law into their own hands. |
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| Shen, India |
Dec 4, 2009 |
Does that make one religion better than the other?-Kiran
Dislodged the bails lightly. Great bowling there. |
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| Shen, India |
Dec 4, 2009 |
By the way did he tell you to proxy?-Judith
This statement is crass and stinks of 'holier than thou' atttitude not unknown in the 'religious' people who look down upon other people as not upto their level.I do not have to get into any arguments with you Judith. Learn to live happily rather than picking stones in the curd. |
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| HP, France |
Dec 4, 2009 |
Shukran....
'should there be a will there will be many ways'
shukran...
Thank you, |
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| Kiran, USA |
Dec 4, 2009 |
Shareef Moideen,
RSS is not interested in building a Hindu nation, even from the time of pre-independence. It wants to protect and preserve our national identity as in no country take advantage of us (British) or no religion take advantage of us (conversion). India was, is and will always be a secular nation and RSS wants to keep it that way. If you are already biased about RSS and BJP, then you may not be able to see the truth in Gujarat as it really is. There are a lot of myths propagated about Gujarat riots and you must be aware of someone who is writing a book debunking the myths. If you search you will find it. My point is very similar to yours that nobody pointed a finger at the Bombay riots, nobody created any stories about police inefficiency or about the CM taking police to shoot at Hindus or Muslims. Why ? Is it because we believe that he cannot do it because he belongs to Congress party ? And we believe the other CM did it because he belongs to BJP ? You must have seen my earlier link which showed how there were agencies to feed rumors to the press as though it was real news. There were no such agencies to feed false news to the press during Bombay riots and therefore the CM is innocent of the same number of Hindu-Muslim deaths ? My point is let the real truth come out from both the incidents so we can see dhoodh ka dhoodh, pani ka pani. |
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| Gregory Mascarenhas, India |
Dec 4, 2009 |
When God created Adam & Eve he did not
call them Jews, Christians, Hindus Muslims, Buddhists, Sikhs etc. He sent his son Jesus Christ for the redemption of mankind 2000 years ago.
Whosoever believes Jesus is the son of God is a Christian. So where is the issue of forcible conversion? Why is anybody not allowing people to exercise their God given gift of free will? |
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| Ibrahim Hussain, India |
Dec 4, 2009 |
you come out and say they have no religion, they are not muslims etc
PD,
It is my stand for a long time I have not discussed the terrorism issue in this forum. The term which you have used "your islamaniac" is objectionable and I strongly condemn it.
This is reason I asked what may be your religion. After knowing I can be able to answer your question one by one from the source of my knowledge. |
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| Roshan Pais, India |
Dec 4, 2009 |
When there is conversion to Hinduism, you speak as if they were originally Hindu or born Hindu due to MERE geographic confinement but when they convert to other religions, you state they are real conversions and point fingers as "forced" conversions. - Stany.
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Be real, take one stand and don't confuse facts.- Stany.
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When you point finger and blame others, be mindful that, three fingers point right back at you. You need to do some soul searching here.- Stany.
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VERY GOOD POINTS THERE STANY.
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Present generations are not answerable to or MADE ANSWERABLE to historical wrongs.
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Do not justify any attack on temple, mosque or church based on Moguls, Portuguese or transgressions of ALEXANDER the GREAT.
People who do that are in minority (people who consider the concept of re-conversion as a misnomer- when non Hindu becomes Hindu!!!). E.Y.T is no exception to that.
Having said all these points - when we dont talk about religion, we are all happy people, enjoying the mutual discussions and exchanges. Its only when religious issues come, all our education, training bites dust.)
PS: Fort Hood guy was a trained Shrink. But that training did not help him out at least to seek help to address his disability but he resorted to religion. After a point training did not help. |
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| Roshan Pais, India |
Dec 4, 2009 |
Switzerland is a modern, liberal and a prime tourist destination and a paradise on earth. - Opines Nelson.
Dear Nelson,
I would not dis-agree with you on comparing Oranges and apples ( Saudi and Swiss).
As far as the issue of Minarets is concerned:
We are talking about Swiss citizens who are muslims. May be Saudi or Eastern countries - do not allow crosses for migrant population who are not citizens.
Swiss people are tight ass, upright people and are conservative in their own right. I do not think they would hesitate to shun people with brown skin too (even if they are Christians or not!!). Its a general phenomena of ethnicity but over there re-enforced by generations of conservative culture.
Well, these are my opinions and not hard facts. |
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| Roshan Pais, India |
Dec 4, 2009 |
Truth if not accepted in true sense always feels bitter - Placid.
What is truth??
Coherency or incoherency?
One has to be very picky here!! |
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| Judith L, India |
Dec 4, 2009 |
| You could have also gone protested peacefully, why did u not go ? |
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| Shareef Moideen, Mangalore/ Jeddah, Saudi Arabia |
Dec 4, 2009 |
| Nelson, I did compare Switzerland and Saudi immigration rules & regulations, I agree with you that these two countries are beyond comparison. However, Switzerland is tourist destination and Saudi Arabia is destination for foreign workers. |
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| Shen, India |
Dec 4, 2009 |
I feel I am the original shahrukh khan and the one hogging all the limelight is a duplicate. -Munna
Munna I am concerned about your mental health. Go and see Dr Sudhakar Shetty right away. John Lennon was murdered by some one who thought he was John Lennon and that the person hogging the lime light was a duplicate. You have a serious problem of delusion brother. May God help you to overcome this silly feeling and act responsibly. |
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| Ashok S, UAE |
Dec 4, 2009 |
Placid sounds like a New Life person to me.
A Kannada person influenced by Keralite brainwashing? |
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| Ashok S, UAE |
Dec 4, 2009 |
Judith,
If we go by percentage of the population, you are right.
A slight correction, if I may.
Christians now have on an average two children per family. Most Hindus (and Muslims) have greater number of children. Hence, even though the actual numbers of Christians may have gone up, the percentage of the Christians has dwindled.
However, I remember being fed the stories of conversion when I was a child. There is a lot of scare-mongering going on.
Forty years ago, as a child, I was constantly told how Christians in DK were busy converting Hindus. I viewed all the Christians in the village with deep suspicion. I know now that it was a big lie. But most of the people I know still have their unrealistic suspicions. |
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| Placid Gregory, Mangalore, India |
Dec 4, 2009 |
I don't subscribe to your argument that there is no conversion(the article in Rakno a few months back pertaining to Bidar will confirm this). Say that there is no forced conversion. The decrease in number of children each family has, may have resulted in the decrease in population. The reason being that nowadays everyone opts for small families on economic grounds.
And don't blurt out that I have sought anybody's help. I don't need any advocates. I am capable of defending myself and argue. It should be noted that passing unnecessary personal remarks is not the hallmark of a decent person.
Further, I am to inform that I am not against church nor anyone who is right, but have only highlighted the wrongs in the society. A careful reading of my comments will confirm this.
And for your information, I have not commended the organisations who were responsible for the attacks, but I do condemn it. |
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| Judith L, India |
Dec 4, 2009 |
| The christian population of India is coming down instead of rising, so where is the question of conversion as you and Placid want to convey. you know very well that we are peace loving people and will not retaliate hence you want to take advantage and harass us unnecessarily just to appease your political leaders and make them happy for monetary benefits. instead of harassing us, why not use your energy to do some good work for the society, there are so many hindu people especially children who feature in the "Please Help" column for aid. start giving them aid. Also, the money which comes as donation to temples, which youth waste in drinking and merrymaking this money also, can be channelised for good work. All the best. |
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| Judith L, India |
Dec 4, 2009 |
| okay the youth were throwing stones but that was the ultimate resort when they saw the women and children beaten. okay you hate the priest, nuns, christians but what about the church, the bjp, rss, bd, vhp and the police did was right in desecreting the church and holy sacrament and beating unarmed women and children, what kind of heroism is this? |
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| Judith L, India |
Dec 4, 2009 |
| There are so many Hindus who tell their sons to get the girl converted to Hinduism if she wants to marry. The poor girl has to agree for no choice. I have seen so many examples and if they follow their own religion the boy and his family and relative treat the girl has an outcast. |
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| Judith L, India |
Dec 4, 2009 |
| Who says Placid will be ex communicated from Chuch, that u r saying. If Placid is a righteous person, he needs to raise his voice against everything evil that includes desecretion of Church and Holy Sacrament. By the way did he tell you to proxy? |
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| Placid Gregory, Mangalore, India |
Dec 4, 2009 |
| Truth if not accepted in true sense always feels bitter. Call a spade a spade. We should not hesitate or feel shy when we witness something wrong is committed by burying our head under the sand like ostrich. Blindly supporting somebody thinking that his /her or their image will be spoiled, will instead of amending will embolden anyone to persistently commit the same mistake over and over. That is the human tendency. Why erasers are made; to erase and write correctly. Likewise, if there is injustice, it is our bounden duty to point out, protest so that justice is rendered. I have always given my unbiased views. If anybody genuinely feels that his or her conscience is pricked because of my wrong comment, if any, I am always ready to apologise. But when I am right I will never compromise even if it hurts their conscience. |
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| Nelson Lewis, Bahrain |
Dec 4, 2009 |
Dear Mr. Shareef Moideen,
I would suggest that you do not compare Saudi Arabia with Switzerland.
Switzerland is a modern, liberal and a prime tourist destination and a paradise on earth.
Well, you can make your own judgements of Saudi Arabia. |
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| Placid Gregory, Mangalore, India |
Dec 4, 2009 |
| What I have stated is what I have actually seen and not based on heresay. You know the mob mentality. When youngsters of all walks of life gather, and without proper control tend to be violent. There is no differentiation of caste creed or religion in the case of mob violence. The people who had given the call should have been there to exercise proper control. Don't unnecessarily blame the police, especially in this case. There was no instigation as such. I have seen in many local TV channels, boys atop a building in the vicinity of a church pelting stones and later on caned and chased by the police. Please ascertain from other viewers who have witnessed these scenes. |
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| Stany D'Souza, USA |
Dec 4, 2009 |
"You do not seem to have any knowledge of Hinduism. Whoever practices any type of worship or not doing any worship or remaining an atheist but is born -a resident- within this land - spread from Himalaya till Kanyakumari." Definition of Hinduism by N.S.Shenoy.
Very intereting argument there Mr. Shenoy. Before the British Rule, In the past, Indian region's reaches were far and wide, which included both Pakistan, Bangladesh, Burma, etc. So according to your argument everybody in that region belonged to Hinduism.
When there is conversion to Hinduism, you speak as if they were originally Hindu or born Hindu due to MERE geographic confinement but when they convert to other religions, you state they are real conversions and point fingers as "forced" conversions. Be real, take one stand and don't confuse facts.
When you point finger and blame others, be mindful that, three fingers point right back at you. You need to do some soul searching here. |
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| Shareef Moideen, Mangalore/ Jeddah, Saudi Arabia |
Dec 4, 2009 |
Shen,
I agree with you that they were not afraid to die, but surely if terrorists like Kasab are hanged in public this will help us to send the message to across the border. Any terrorists whose guilt is established through investigations and trials in accordance with the law should be castrated (so they would never be able to procreate); then they should be made to watch for several hours a day, films depicting the effect of their heinous acts - on innocent people. Any terrorist who is caught should be made to suffer enough to deter other would be terrorist recruits. |
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| Shareef Moideen, Mangalore/ Jeddah, Saudi Arabia |
Dec 4, 2009 |
| Kiran! If someone is against the BJP, RSS and Hindu radicals then they are pseudo seculars, this mindset has to change. In an organization there are many individuals with different opinions & beliefs so organization like Human rights will not have biased report. As I mentioned in my previous comment, the Bombay riots was not instigated by the CM of the state, the Ayodhya incident triggered the riots in Bombay and the Bombay CM didn’t instruct the police force to be blind when there are attacks on one particular community and Supreme court didn’t reprimand the Bombay CM unlike Modi and the Bombay CM didn’t walk out of the interview with obvious body language that communicated his feelings on his face and intelligence officer didn’t accuse Bombay CM for the riots unlike Modi. Kiran don’t have blind love towards Modi accept the fact that he was the master mind of Godhra riots with facts available. |
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| Bonnie, USA |
Dec 4, 2009 |
You do not seem to have any knowledge of Hinduism. - NS
I suppose you are a savant when comes to defining what hinduism is all about. However, given below is the quote on what Ambedkar had to say -
For brahmins, hinduism is brahmimism and brahminism is hinduism. I am sure Ambedkar knew what he was talking about as he had studied at Columbia university and Oxford university and did not just resort verbal slug-fest. I do seldom talk about religions as that is in the least of my interest, but your definition of including everything under the mushroom cloud does sound very inane. According to your post, those who are settled abroad are excluded from the definition of hinduism. I am afraid they might protest loudly.
Your post might provide the much needed high octane to dingbats to bash up everyone who they deem may not fit under their spectrum of tunnel vision.
However, under the studied scrutiny, it is worth defenestrating. |
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| Puttur Dinesh, USA |
Dec 4, 2009 |
Shenoy Maam
what is new life? I take every day I wake up as new life, many people don't get that opportunity. |
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| Shareef Moideen, Mangalore/ Jeddah, Saudi Arabia |
Dec 4, 2009 |
Guru,
Don’t have prejudice against Quran, no one can edit Quran even intellectual couldn’t do it in the past nor can do it in the future. Even if you read the Quran that has been circulated from KSA doesn’t support terrorism. There will be no prophet after Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). You need to understand the Quran with open heart and without any prejudice Guru. |
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| D.P.Kumar, India |
Dec 3, 2009 |
EYT
Whose will be the thought Number One lakh in EYT?
Congrats in advance Roshan, Queenie and Team Mangalorean. |
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| D.P.Kumar, India |
Dec 3, 2009 |
"Hindu faith has few negative points, for eg. caste system,"- Dhairya
What is a caste system?
Relatives share some genes. Those having common habits, performances, behavior, communication medium, cluster living develop affinity. Even in animals, birds and bacteria also this type of behaviour is observed by scientists. (Darwin, John Maynard Smith, J.B.S.Haldane, Susan Dudley and others in the study behaviour, relatives, evolutionary biologists, botanical researches etc).
In The Descent of Man, Charles Darwin made the revelation of his study that if one tribe included a greater number of courageous, sympathetic and faithful members who were always ready to warn each other of danger, to aid and defend each other, this tribe would succeed better and conquer the other.
As recently as in Sept this year, Elizabeth Pennisi in her article in the "Science" observed instances where lower organisms such as bacteria and viruses also exhibiting cooperative behaviour between fellow bacteria justifying Dr.Stuart West's results of experiments.
Please note :
Birds of the same feather flock together!
I think, people who talk of caste system should make a thorough study of their own behaviour and habits in the community and society. |
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| Lavina, UAE |
Dec 3, 2009 |
I have seen people specially the youth throwing stones at the plying vehicles and damaging them, stopping and diverting them. - placid
it looks like you 'have seen' everything. are you sure your strong views are not based on heresay? even if the youth threw stones it is not without instigation from the police. unless you are saying that everything we saw on tv channels was a lie. |
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| N.S.Shenoy, India |
Dec 3, 2009 |
"Sang Parivar elements are forcibly converting tribals (who are not all Hindus) in various parts of India .."-Rakesh on conversion.
You do not seem to have any knowledge of Hinduism. Whoever practices any type of worship or not doing any worship or remaining an atheist but is born -a resident- within this land - spread from Himalaya till Kanyakumari.
Those whose Gods and genes are from this land are covered so.
But the wider definition of Hindu does not constitute those who have allegiance to external -countries, gods, practices, followings etc.
As such, people following Christianity and Islam or such thing will not be covered under the term Hindu.
RSS is at no fault, but your thinking and understanding. |
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| Shen, India |
Dec 3, 2009 |
just like many Hindu boys and converted her to Hinduism, even though she had resisted. -R Shetty
It is shocking to read this detail. I wonder why people like to convert their own wives! Is religion bigger than your life partner? |
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| Shen, India |
Dec 3, 2009 |
Where were you -Judith to Placid asking 64 million dollar question
What could he possibly do Judith? Tell me. He is living in a Hindu majority country as a person belonging to a small minority. Do you want to see him being harassed? Come on. He is not responsible for any of the problems. Don't make him feel guilty. Let him express his views. What will happen in the worst scenario? Will he be ex communicated from the church? He perhaps is aware of it already. No amount of screaming on this forum helps the social situation Mangalore/other places have faced or facing. It needs dialogue between all the groups, communities, politicians, church groups. When every one comes together and owes up responsibility for their actions, things will get better. Till then it will be just bitter. Better accept it. |
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| Shen, India |
Dec 3, 2009 |
We should read Indian History where Ashoka, a Hindu ruler had killed thousands of residents of Kalinga (the present day Orissa), before converting himself to Buddhism.-Rakesh Shetty
Every saint has a past. Every sinner has a future. |
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| Shen, India |
Dec 3, 2009 |
yellow-fever syndrome (the full world looks yellow to a person suffering from Jaundice).
-Dhairya
Ashtondu dhairyavaagi helabedi boss. Kaamaale rogadavarige jagavella haladi yendu kavigalu bannisiddare. Vaidyaralla. |
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| Shen, India |
Dec 3, 2009 |
PD,
What kind of religion you belongs and practice?-I H
Brand New Life perhaps. |
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| Shen, India |
Dec 3, 2009 |
wow what a love story.-Raj Bermuda
Do you have Sam's permission to say that? |
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| Shen, India |
Dec 3, 2009 |
Yeddy proves to be the weakest CM of all time. -Michael Lobo
Good for Siddu/Deshpande/D K Shiva Kumar then. Why do you worry about Yeddi? Vote against BJP next time as you have always done and pray that your candidate wins[ or at least saves deposit]
PS: Are you a grass root worker of Cong I? |
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| Shen, India |
Dec 3, 2009 |
I wish he surpasses Brian Lara. -N Maam
Same here. I had similar feelings the last two times as well. I hope he does it. India can look at a big score. Go Veeru. Go for 450 runs yourself and create a new record. It will take another Veeru/Lara to break it after 20 years. |
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| Shen, India |
Dec 3, 2009 |
Some vested interests with their eye on vote bank are spreading the falsehood in order to terrorize the Christians, since Christians are not vote banks.-Rakesh Shetty
Do you know who these vested interests are Rakesh? Why don't you announce it?
Are you not suggesting here that Christians are not used by any political party? You are wrong Mr Shetty. Every Christian knows that they have been used by Cong I just the way every muslim knows they have been too. Perhaps they have no choice but to look at Cong I as they feel that BJP is anti muslim and to some extent anti Christian. This does not make Cong I any better. Every one knows the vote bank politics. don't be so naive as to believe that it does not happen. |
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| Ramesh Rayen, UAE |
Dec 3, 2009 |
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THANKS
RAMESH RAYEN |
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| Shen, India |
Dec 3, 2009 |
Are you suggesting cheating and beating up women is ok?-Puttur Dinesh
Dinesh maam, I am not suggesting anything. I just quoted two examples of domestic violence which was in the press. That's all. I hope they will sort it themselves. None of us can do any thing for their tantrums and egos. |
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| Shen, India |
Dec 3, 2009 |
A terrorist is hanged in public that will transmit message to the terrorists that India is tough country and we will not be spared if we harm India and Indians.-Shareef
Do you feel so? Those who came and did that nonsense, were they afraid to die? Don't fool yourself like that. |
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| Puttur DInesh, USA |
Dec 3, 2009 |
Ibrahim Bhai
I am just asking you a question as to how would you solve the problem of terroism with inspiration from Islam?
Every time someone says something about terrorists you come out and say they have no religion, they are not muslims etc, but when people ask you what is the solution, you just beat around the bush. It is either you don't have an answer or you like the ststus quo.
I don't even want to discuss anymore if you cannot give a straight answer. regarding my relgion, it is personal matter, but I was born catholic, if that helps. |
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| Puttur Dinesh, USA |
Dec 3, 2009 |
Azzem
I was to erect a cross on a church in UAE, can you ask your people in UAE to give me permission.
You cannot have double standards, when you don't give others any rights you don't deserve any. It is a very simple logic, Europe is trying to bully the swiss, they better talk to Saudis and rest of the middle east regarding religious freedom. "tase of their own medicine". |
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| Guru, India |
Dec 3, 2009 |
"if you have read my past comments if should know that Islam is against killing human being, some one killing in the name of religion is not acceptable."-Shareef
When did you start re-writing Kuran?
Or are you editing the meanings and translations?
Let us read what has been translated, approved and circulated from KSA or what has been conveyed by Taleban or Al-queda!
You cannot be next prophet to present your version;-? |
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| Kiran, USA |
Dec 3, 2009 |
In Bombay riots then CM was not accused in the riots he didn’t ordered police department to be silent when there were attacks on Muslims, various independent human rights groups as well as major Indian newspapers have accused the Gujarat state government --Shareef Moideen
My point exactly! Why was he not accused and investigated when the Bombay riots were triggered by an incident in a far far away state and had more or less the same number of casualties of Muslims and Hindus. Is it because in Bombay-Ayodhya, the trigger incident was a damage to Muslims and in Gujarat-Godhra the trigger incident was a damage to Hindus? Is it because Hindus were upset in one incident and Muslims were upset in the other ? Who gave a clean chit to the Maharastra CM? Was it the left wing or right wing media? Or was it the parliament? Was it a congress President? Or was it US Secretary of State ? Was it the Saudi government ? Or was it some foreign nationals or pseudo-seculars working under the banner of Human Rights? |
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| D.P.Kumar, India |
Dec 3, 2009 |
"One of the most CORRUPTED CM Karnataka ever had is Yeddy."- Shy la on CM Yaddyurappa.
But so far not any scandal has come out about Yaddyurappa. Anything from your side to prove CORRUPTED?
Opposition Parties are waiting. Please reveal as early as possible. |
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| D.P.Kumar, India |
Dec 3, 2009 |
Salvador Noronha,
Please do not claim Placids points as from ignorance.
You must know that interest income from NRO deposits of NRIs is taxed without any exemption limit (enev Rs.10 will be taken out of an interest income of Rs.100);It is tax deducted at source (TDS).
Whereas for Indian residents af basic income up to Rs.1,00,000 (One lakh) is exempt from income tax .
Your statement itself says duty free is up to Rs.25000 value. What about the value more than that?
Please do not disown the claims by NRIs as honest tax payers. Whether they file the annual returns and claim refunds or not, several people ignore the deductions for IT purpose from interest, dividend or capital gains though there are some who avoid such transactions by using havala route!
Secondly, if we could get our Gold cleared from IMF to the extent of 200 tons, the main source is the foreign remittance by NRIs through NRE / FCNR remittances a major portion of which they have not repatriated. |
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| Placid Gregory, Mangalore, India |
Dec 3, 2009 |
| Where are your christian values of forgiveness? Have you forgotten what is stated in the Bible - if anyone slaps you on one cheek, show him the other. Remember what Jesus said before he died on the cross 'father forgive them for they know not what they do'- when the living sacrament Jesus Christ was crucified. You say there were peaceful protests, but I have seen people specially the youth throwing stones at the plying vehicles and damaging them, stopping and diverting them. In one church, the parish priest gave a distress call by ringing the church bell continuously which was followed by the people gathered and was continued even till the next day. This distress call is given as a last resort when there is an imminent danger of an attack. Was there a need for conducting this farce? A press statement if it was issued immediately afer the attack that we are not concerned in any way with new life, as demanded by the people involved, would have put an end to further attacks. Why was the press conference called the next day evening to say it. You say we are peace loving people. Is it the way to convey the message of peace to the world? |
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| Judith L, India |
Dec 3, 2009 |
| Where were you when the churches, holy sacrament were desecreated. unarmed women, nuns and children beaten for protesting peacefully. At that time you did not have guts to speak against banjrang dal, rss, bjp, vhp. |
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| Judith L, India |
Dec 3, 2009 |
| The best way to help our poor hindu brethren is to refer them to some temple trust or rich hindus, so that they can rehabilitate them with food, clothing, shelter and education. Most of the temples at least in Mumbai are run by people who have political affiliations and the money which is put in the boxes instead of using for charity works goes to those who claim to be trustees of the temples, who misuse the money for their own benefit. This money can be used for their poor brethren. |
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| Ibrahim Hussain, India |
Dec 3, 2009 |
It was a question as to how you put an end to terrorism by your Islamomaniac
PD,
What kind of religion you belongs and practice? |
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| Ibrahim Hussain, India |
Dec 3, 2009 |
let us focus on Muslims only for this topic. we can discuss terrorism by others after this topic.
PD,
Why only Muslims?
Terrorism in any form or any religion is to condemned. No need of bias please. |
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| Puttur Dinesh, USA |
Dec 3, 2009 |
Shenoy Maam
Are you suggesting cheating and beating up women is ok? |
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| Shareef Moideen, Mangalore/ Jeddah, Saudi Arabia |
Dec 3, 2009 |
Sudheep,
Please have more knowledge of Islam by reading Quran and authentic hadiths, if you have read my past comments if should know that Islam is against killing human being, some one killing in the name of religion is not acceptable. I didn’t sympathize with Islamic terrorists, terrorists don’t kill non-Muslims they even kill Muslims also. Killing for personal gains means for money, deviant ideology (that has nothing do with Islam) etc. I believe you also don’t sympathize with Hindu terrorists do you? |
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| Shareef Moideen, Mangalore/ Jeddah, , Saudi Arabia |
Dec 3, 2009 |
He can be taught all the skills and be turned into a civilised guy. Then of course he will regret for doing what he did at the behest of some brainless Jihadists. That will be a great punishment - Shen
Shen, you are giving terrorist a new thought and some brainless Jihadists can lure more youths like Kasab because they will instruct them that Indian government will never harm you even if you kill Indians, they are trying to make you civilized guy at their expense. A terrorist is hanged in public that will transmit message to the terrorists that India is tough country and we will not be spared if we harm India and Indians. If we are in a process to teach civilization to the terrorists then we should be prepared to have more Pakistan sponsored terrorism.
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| Shareef Moideen, Mangalore/ Jeddah, Saudi Arabia |
Dec 3, 2009 |
| Shen, you should read without prejudice, you should understand that Islam doesn’t advocates or accepts terrorism, so the terrorists are killing people for their personal gains (for money, ideology that has nothing to with Islam, political gains etc) |
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| Ashok S, UAE |
Dec 2, 2009 |
Whilst I appreciate AS Mathew's enthusiasm about spreading the message of Jesus, it sounds no different from the enthusiasm displayed by Samuel in Bangalore. Samuel is the chief coordinator of New Life in Karnataka.
For some reason, the Keralites do not do any preaching in Kerala. But they are busy doing that in Karnataka, Andhra Pradesh, and the North Indian states. |
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| Shen, India |
Dec 2, 2009 |
"Alparige aishwarya...". -Nagendra maam
Toh baat yahaan tak pahunchi. Abhishek alpa nahin hai saab. |
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| Shen, India |
Dec 2, 2009 |
Regarding conversion, it is your choice, you can be a hindu, christian, jew or buddhist if you want. India is a free country.
-P D
Not totally correct P D. No one can convert into Hinduism but one can reconvert. Again, who cares? |
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| Shen, India |
Dec 2, 2009 |
Sitting inside this vehicle feels as though you are riding on a block of butter sliding down a hot pan. -Rajat
Strange things do happen in life. What all things you have experienced in your life my friend! |
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| Shen, India |
Dec 2, 2009 |
the terrorists killing someone for his personal gains is not considered as Muslims.-Shareef
In other words, the chances are rather slim do you say? |
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| Shen, India |
Dec 2, 2009 |
Benny Hinn is not healing anybody,-A S Mathew
Thanks for removing the doubts I had about this character. |
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| Shen, India |
Dec 2, 2009 |
Me. Krikanth. -A S Mathew
You mean to say Mr Krishnamachari Srikanth? |
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| Shen, India |
Dec 2, 2009 |
Someday, 'The Shenoys' may get individually recognised as 'The Nagendra Shenoy', 'The Kudpi Shenoy', 'The N S Shenoy' and so on,!
-Mr Kudpi
They have caught a shark, not the shark. [Richard Dreyfuss in Jaws] |
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| Shen, India |
Dec 2, 2009 |
6 MILLION MUSLIMS ALONE A RE CONVERTING TO CHRISTIANITY,-Sam
Who cares? |
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| Shen, India |
Dec 2, 2009 |
let us focus on Muslims only for this topic.we can discuss terrorism by others after this topic.
-P D
You mean if you still have any time for that.:) |
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| Ashok S, UAE |
Dec 2, 2009 |
Jacob Mendonsa,
You sound like an angry teenager.
You say that "Residents and Vehicle owners should go on indefinete protest". The best protest for the Vehicle owners might be not to drive the vehicles for one year. This will free up the roads, save the planet, and most importantly, allow the non-vehicle owners to have a bit of the road/footpath too.
I have always argued against the ownership of private vehicles. Just three decades ago, we had hardly any private vehicles. We may not have got to our destination on the same day, but we had better health. |
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| Shen, India |
Dec 2, 2009 |
What kind of hard work can a man do in Jail with his limited abilities? -Shareef
That's the pity. However, he can be taught all the skills and be turned into a civilised guy. Then of course he will regret for doing what he did at the behest of some brainless Jihadists. That will be a great punishment. If you hang him now he will think that he will be going to meet those 77 virgins in few mins time. You will actually be making him feel happy that way. The idea is to make him feel sad and depressed. That should send a signal throughout the brainless Jihadist society. |
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| Shareef Moideen, Mangalore/ Jeddah, Saudi Arabia |
Dec 2, 2009 |
Kiran, I told that I don’t throw mud on another religion but I didn’t tell about RSS (you have added it), If RSS volunteers did endured a lot of British brutality that doesn’t give them license to attack minorities to build Hindu nation. I am not in a position to determine the vested interest of Mahatma Gandhi and Jinnah that Hindus and Muslims can or cannot get along with each other. I learnt that Mahatma Gandhi is one of the admirable figures of this world.
In Bombay riots then CM was not accused in the riots he didn’t ordered police department to be silent when there were attacks on Muslims, various independent human rights groups as well as major Indian newspapers have accused the Gujarat state government, led by Chief Minister Narendra Modi of supporting, and in some cases instigating, the riots. India's own National Human Rights Commission indicted the state government saying "the commission has, therefore, reached that (sic) there was comprehensive failure of the state to protect the constitutional rights of the people of Gujarat."
On 3rd March, 2002, as mobs ruled the streets, Mr. Modi is reported to have stated: "Every action has an equal and opposite reaction". However, Mr. Modi has since denied making this quote. At the height of the violence, Modi further added that Gujarat's 50 million Hindus had shown "remarkable restraint under grave provocation", implying that the violence could have been worse.
As a result of Narendra Modi's alleged role in abetting the riots, the US government revoked his visa under Section 212 (a)(2)(g) of the Immigration and Nationality Act which makes any foreign government official who was responsible or directly carried out, at any time, particularly severe violations of religions freedom, ineligible for the visa The decision was protested by the Indian government, but in response the US government pointed out that their decision was based on the report by the National Human Rights Commission (NHRC) of India.
On part of the government's effort to control the riots:
• Deployed the army, within 72 hours.
• Made preventive arrests of over 33,000 people.
• Fired over 12,000 rounds of bullets
• Fired over 15,000 rounds of tear gas shells
In parliament debate, Government stated that "Ahmedabad and these riots were to be the only riots in the history of India where hundred persons have been killed in police firing."
The President of India at that time, K. R. Narayanan, later blamed the ruling BJP government which was perceived as a "Hindu" party, for supporting the riots. In an interview to the Malayalam magazine Manava Samskriti on the eve of the third anniversary of the Gujarat riots he said: “If the army had been given the powers to suppress the violence, but the [BJP] state government did not do it; the Centre also did not do it. It was a conspiracy between the state and the central government that was responsible for the Gujarat violence.” Narayanan's views were consistent with reports by Rahul Bedi that the soldiers were held back by the government in the initial days of the riots which gave the rioters a free hand.
India's Supreme Court, expressed its displeasure at the government's handling of the case. The Court also rebuked both the Gujarat High Court and the local justice system, stating, “Judicial criminal administration system must be kept clean and beyond the reach of whimsical political wills or agendas.” Some of the most damaging allegations came from Mr.RB Sreekumar, who served as intelligence chief for the Gujarat Government during the riots. Mr. SreeKumar alleged that the government ordered the killing of Muslims after the Godhra incident. He presented his notes to India Central Administrative Tribunal (CAT) which investigates complaints by civil servants.
I have to agree with you for 26/11 attacks and the response of the central and state government was not up to the expectation. |
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| Kudpi Rajanikanth Shenoy, India |
Dec 2, 2009 |
For eg - "The US.....", "The BJP.......", "The Congress......" etc.
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Nagendra,
As far as my English knowledge goes, , prefix 'The' is used for something exclusive or when you mean something in particular.
We don't say 'Best'. We say 'The Best'
We don't say 'King' we say 'The King'.
Likewise, 'The School', 'The College', 'The Place'
However, here in EYT anything could happen!
Someday, 'The Shenoys' may get individually recognised as 'The Nagendra Shenoy', 'The Kudpi Shenoy', 'The N S Shenoy' and so on,!
That's not our loss anytime, Nagendra! Kuchh tho log kahenge...logon ka kaam hai kehna....! :D
Sincerely,
The Kudpi Rajanikanth Shenoy :O :D |
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| DONY LOBO, DOHA, Qatar |
Dec 2, 2009 |
Masjid, Palli...Dargah...
Thank you very much Mr. Ibrahim Hussain, India, for your magnanimous gesture for taking pains to explain the significance of the words Masjid, Palli and Dargah. In fact it helped me a lot to convey the same to quite a few people who too were wanting to know more on the subject.
I remember names of two towns in the South Kanara district I,e, Nidpalli and Perampalli,and there may be many more such places. I wont be surprised if there indeed is a lot of history behind the names of these places. |
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| Sudheep, UAE |
Dec 2, 2009 |
the terrorists killing someone for his personal gains is not considered as Muslims.
Killing for PERSONAL gains only Shareef. Do you mean to say killing for the cause of islam or for his community is justified???? That means you are sympathising with the islamic terrorists who kill infidels (kafir, najis) for the cause of islam, no???? |
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| Puttur Dinesh, USA |
Dec 2, 2009 |
Ibrahim bhai
let me rephrase it.
It was a question as to how you put an end to terrorism by your Islamomaniac who you say are not muslims.
Regarding conversion, it is your choice, you can be a hindu, christian, jew or buddhist if you want. India is a free country.
Now let us get to the discussion as to how you would address the problem of extrimism by Muslims, please don't bring in RSS or atrocities by USA etc, let us focus on Muslims only for this topic.we can discuss terrorism by others after this topic.
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Dec 2, 2009 |
We have many other interested industrialists like Mittal and Tata interested in landgrabs! - D P Kumar
D P Maam,
Do you think Infosys falls in this list? If you look at the Infosys campus on Hosur Road, adjacent to their compound walls are the houses of BPL families. Some houses are smaller than most of ours' bathroom!
First, industrialists offer money to the farmer and the poor for land. When the poor see heaps of money at one go, nothing strikes them. Like they say "Alparige aishwarya...". How long the money in lieu of land be in their hands? Most times they might be spent in drinking and gambling, new clothes etc. Saving habit might as it is be missing in them. Later with no money left and knowing nothing but farming, rebels turn up. People like Mamta Behen.
Could competitors of Tata Motors like Maruti Suzuki, Hyundai, Baja Auto have fuelled Singur episode? |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Dec 2, 2009 |
We do not use 'The' in front of a noun and this is what we have been taught in schools. But why do we see these days that 'The' is being repeatedly used against a noun? For eg - "The US.....", "The BJP.......", "The Congress......" etc.
Somebody please clarify. |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Dec 2, 2009 |
One Shameer from Mangalore wanted to visit Shabarimale (he had married a hindu). He held austerity steps. But was objected to by the local Jamat members - N S Shenoy
NSS,
I remember reading a similar news on M.Com some 3-4 days back. I guess you are referring to the same. Surprisingly, 'secular souls' like Popular Fools of India have given a death threat to the man if he makes it to Shabarimalai. The news (either from IANS or DHNS, cannot recall) repeatedly mentioned them as 'Islamist' organization when the claim they make is they are a 'democratic' party. |
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| Shareef Moideen, Mangalore/ Jeddah, Saudi Arabia |
Dec 2, 2009 |
| Thanks for educating me, I believe in Kasab case the whole world has seen Kasab firing at civilians relentlessly and mercilessly at CST in Mumbai and what fair trial he deserves for killing peoples. |
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| Shareef Moideen, Mangalore/ Jeddah, Senegal |
Dec 2, 2009 |
Shen,
What kind of hard work can a man do in Jail with his limited abilities? jails in India implement your suggestion then human rights organizations all over the world will protest in the streets. According to Nelson Lewis ”any person is entitled to a fair trial and the opportunity to engage his own lawyer at his expense, failing which he could ask the Judge to provide him one to defend his interests” so there paying the bills question don’t arise. |
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| Shareef Moideen, Mangalore, Jeddah, Saudi Arabia |
Dec 2, 2009 |
Ashok,
I said “We Muslims” means Muslims following the Holy Quran and authentic Hadeeths, the real Muslim will not indulge himself in anything against the purview of Islam, the terrorists killing someone for his personal gains is not considered as Muslims. |
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| Shareef Moideen, Mangalore/ Jeddah, , Saudi Arabia |
Dec 2, 2009 |
Seems that you are associating BJP to the Hindu fringe groups, I told about the protestors not about the party. I am not mentioning about political parties, just about the radical groups. No one can stop Shameer to visit Shabarimale because it is choice to visit and Jamat has no authority to stop him. I remember some weeks ago one young Muslim boy had been to temple with his female workers the bajrang dal members have attacked him for entering the temple.
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| Sudhakara Kotian, India |
Dec 2, 2009 |
jai bajrang dal....save mangalore and india.... Sunil/India.
jaiL bajrang dal....save mangalore and india.... Sunil, I think you missed the alphabet L. |
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| Ibrahim Hussain, India |
Dec 2, 2009 |
my dear Muslim freinds in the forum I see your opinions in the forum which suggest that you are the victims when the world thinks otherwise
PD,
What you suggest, you want us to convert Crhistianity, Buddism or Hinduism so that world will not think us otherwise? |
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| Ibrahim Hussain, India |
Dec 2, 2009 |
Sub : Differences between Masjid……Palli……..Dhargah…
Dony Bob,
Let me answer your question in my view.
The Masjid word in Arabic is a house of Allah, where muslims perform their 5 times daily prayers, Friday prayers and even Eid Prayers. There are Masjid which conducts only daily prayers. In South Asian countries almost masjid are having Quran/Arabic teaching schools attached to it.
The word Palli derived from Malayalam language, they even call Palli for churches, cathedral etc. Byari language is identical to Malayalam, hence all Byaries call the Masjids as Palli. Palli is a worship place it can be Masjid for Muslims or Church for Christians.
Regarding Dargah it is a cemetry where Sufi Saints are burried. It is not a worship place. Per Sufism, people can choose saints as thier mediators with God. So Sufi Muslims use mediator for reaching to Allah.
Respecting any worship places is a good act and I appreciate that. The Idgah Masjid was not a regular Masjid in good olden days. Janab (Late)Muhammad Kamal, the former Chairman of District Wakf Committee, initiated to transform the Idgah Masjid into normal Masjid during his tenure.
I hope that above queries are clarfied. |
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| Ibrahim Hussain, India |
Dec 2, 2009 |
Dear Ibrahim, can you mention instances of the attacks or killings by Ranveer Sena, Bajarangdal
NSS,
First read my post properly then comment and ask exmaples on that. |
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| D.P.Kumar, India |
Dec 2, 2009 |
"I wonder for the simple reason that many politicians from the Congress may involved with him in this scam."-Nelson Lewis on Madhu Koda's arrest.
It is not the unearthing of Rs.4000 crores or Rs.2500 crores that is reported so far by the IT, Enforcement Directorate or Vigilence Dept.
What is important is :
a) the source from which the money has reached Koda's hands and
b) the purpose of such huge payments.
It is understood that some industrialists are involved in cornering Government land for mining activities. The Industrialists have close liason and relations with Central Ministers. For instance, P.Chidambaram was director of Sterlite Industries of NRI Agarwal during the time BJP's Arun Shouri was Disinvestment Minister who parted with 51 percent share of Navaratna Public Sector undertaking BALCO to Sterlite. This Sterlite is mainly in mining and metals and 64 percent of its shares are taken over by a London registered Vedanta Resources Llc..
This is only an example. We have many other interested industrialists like Mittal and Tata interested in landgrabs!
This case is also likely to hang for some time and later the files will join the bulks with "Bihar Fodder file" than Bofors collecting dust! |
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| N.S.Shenoy, India |
Dec 2, 2009 |
"daily terrorist attacks, killings, Government property losses carried out by the Naxals, ULFA,Balbir Militia, Ranvir Sena, Bajrangdal, Sanathan Sanshta..."Ibrahim Hussain
Dear Ibrahim, can you mention instances of the attacks or killings by Ranveer Sena, Bajarangdal and Sanathan sanstha during the period? |
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| N.S.Shenoy, India |
Dec 1, 2009 |
"when they learned that she was killed by some one from Hindu community they vanished and did not had the same zeal to demand stringent action against the culprit."-Shareef Moideen
It seems you are also keeping willful blindness at events. BJP's local leaders from Bantwal had made efforts to press for speeding up the investigations in the case of Mohan Kumar.
What did other congress leaders do? Nothing.
Do you know that at Shabarimala there are two shrines? One of Ayyappaswamy and the other of Vavvarswamy (revered by muslims). All who visit Shabarimale, visit both the shrines and offer obeiscence.
One Shameer from Mangalore wanted to visit Shabarimale (he had married a hindu). He held austerity steps. But was objected to by the local Jamat members. He has lodged a complaint in the local police station.
In response, the Jamat has denied having attempted counselling through Sahana! |
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| Puttur Dinesh, USA |
Dec 1, 2009 |
Some important events of the day.
Remeber the Iraqi show thrower? Finally he gets the taste of his own medicine. he was at a press conference in Paris and a fellow Iraqi who probably posed as journalist threw a shoe at him. I think he did a good job. here is teh video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEnJODEXssw&feature=related
The Swiss passed a referendum banning building Minarets in Switzerland, It was interesting to see Europe bully the Swiss against a democratic process and it was really funny to see the reaction of Middle Eastern press.
The Middle Eastern editorials said, this ban is against freedom of religion etc etc. while in their own back yard they supress religious freedom and erecting crosses on churches, who is having double standards?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8389243.stm
Finally President Obama has announced the troop surge in Afganistan, I think this will help, India should at least provide covert support to the mission and also gather intel which might help in kashmir.
@ Islam and terrorism
my dear Muslim freinds in the forum I see your opinions in the forum which suggest that you are the victims when the world thinks otherwise.
I would like to know your suggession as to how would you solve the problems. |
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| Ashok S, UAE |
Dec 1, 2009 |
Shareef Moideen,
You are making some very good points.
If there is one thing that I think you could have avoided was speaking for ALL Muslims. By appointing yourself as the spokesperson for "we Muslims", you are not excluding some of those bad characters who have given Islam a bad name.
I think what you really wanted to say was "A MAJORITY of Muslims are not living in denial mode". |
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| Roshan Pais, India |
Dec 1, 2009 |
"The ultimate Truth seeker does not find much of a difference between religions" - NS.
I think your sentence is fully loaded with good meaning behind it.
I think people find differences partly due to cultural issues and particular way of life differences.
I am compelled to cite an example of business - product analogy. Let me explain.
When there is need for a product - it creates demand. When there is demand - there should be supply.
Coming to us human beings- there is a need for spirituality. There is a need to seek. You can see this across races from Arabian desert to Tar desert. From Amazon jungle tribes to Andamans tribes.
Organized religions are managed by people- so yellara dose Thoothu.
What is despicable though is getting political mileage out of religious and cultural issues of common man has become a new fashion these days (after Pub and club fashion).
We dont need Britishers of yester years. Our own people are dividing masses by using religious sentiments of people. I do not see even EYTian especially the learned one immune to the influence.
At the same time we hear of people like KODA, a tribal, rags to riches - groomed with likes of REXINE BELT immune to the curruption- speak of BOFORS!! |
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| Shen, India |
Dec 1, 2009 |
gift to everyone who believes: to the believers of all religions.
-A S Mathew
Mr Mathew, I take it that you also have a day job. Why don't you share some of your expertise in your chosen field rather than boring us with this religious tantrum all the time.? Enjoy your life Sir. You will regret it otherwise one day.
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| Shen, India |
Dec 1, 2009 |
Sachin Tendulkar always bats with helmet on (even while playing spinners). True ambassador for anti-AIDS campaign!-Nagendra maam
Hani hani malege kode yaake, polisara mandege toppi yaake was what children used to sing in school. Now you are telling us about the helmets. |
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| Shen, India |
Dec 1, 2009 |
i was approached by New Life -N Poojary
Did they ask you where is the next loan mela by any chance?:) |
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| Shen, India |
Dec 1, 2009 |
don’t you think that he should be hanged publicly for playing with human lives.-SHareef
No. He should be punished. That does not mean hanging publicly. He should be put behind bars and made to do hard work for next 60 years if he lives that long. After that he should be packed back to Pakistan when his family will not recognise him and he may prefer to stay in Yarawada jail.
PS: He should be made to pay the bills for those 60 years.
PPS: I wanted to say Abdul Qadir one of my favourite bowlers. But I said Saqlain Mushtaq by mistake. Now that you prefer Indian spinner I would say Bapu Nadakarni who could bowl 45 overs at a stretch without yielding any runs and just tiring out the opponents who would make very silly mistakes and get out.:) |
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| Shareef Moideen, Mangalore/ Jeddah, Saudi Arabia |
Dec 1, 2009 |
Muslims are not living in denial mode and there are facts to pointing out at BJP/ RSS, the daily occurrence of Islamic terrorism is the mercy of the Media. We are not diluting the debate on true terrorism we accept the fact that there are some black sheep’s in our community like black sheep’s in other communities .
We always see in the media “Muslim Man or Muslim boy” but never see something like” Hindu Man or Hindu boy” because of the courtesy of the Media, it concerns me that’ silent majority’ of Hindus are still living in a blind world believing everything comes out in the Media is true if it is against the Muslims. If there is anything against the Hindus then the editor is communal and god father of the minorities.
For instance, when Anitha of Barimaru Village in Bantwal was missing there was protest in front of the police station to find her and the protestors alleged that she was the victim of love Jihad (even though love Jihad didn’t exist at all) and gave ultimatum to police authorities to find her, but when they learned that she was killed by some one from Hindu community they vanished and didn’t had the same zeal to demand stringent action against the culprit. |
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| Nelson Lewis, Bahrain |
Dec 1, 2009 |
Mr. Shareef Moideen,
In a democratic country, any person is entitled to a fair trial and the opportunity to engage his own lawyer at his expense, failing which he could ask the Judge to provide him one to defend his interests.
You cannot just hang a person, whatever his crimes, if he does not get a fair trial and a good lawyer to defend him.
You must cannot hang or execute a person.
Regards, |
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| Kiran, USA |
Dec 1, 2009 |
Thanks Shen and DP Kumar for your comments.
Shareef Moideen, I am glad to see your clarification that you are not mud slinging at another religion or organization (RSS), especially since RSS volunteers did endure a lot of British brutality under Mahatma Gandhiji's non-violence and civil disobedience banners. Many of the RSS/freedom fighting leaders went on to join the Congress/Janata Party as good leaders. I still find it unnecessary to characterize the creation of RSS anything other than an organization to voluntarily preserve and protect the freedom and culture of our great nation. If you want to look up the history of pre-Independent India, you can study between Jinnah and Gandhi who had a vested interest in showing that Hindus and Muslims can or cannot get along well with each other.
Since you still talk about the Gujarat violence in the aftermath of Godhra, I do not know why Modi chose or did not choose to answer any particular reporter. I am not defending Modi, but do we know the name of the Chief Minister of Maharastra when the Bombay riots took place ? Surely he was a Hindu and the casualty numbers were very similar. Was he ever investigated or any finger pointed to him ? Just because he is a Congress man ? Could he not have prevented the loss of innocent Muslim and Hindu lives ? Should we not take his name every single time we mention Modi's name ? Is the Maharastra government and the Central govt not responsible for taking up the responsibility of protecting its citizens and remain unprepared and unresponsive on 26/11 ? (if you watch the HBO documentary you will know what I mean). Should we not see all the failures to protect citizens with the same angle ?
Religion is only one part of our human existence, just as our professions may be different or similar. It is just a small part of our identity, just as our name is. It is not who we are. We are spiritually part of the same Oneness, playing different roles on the stage of life. |
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| Kudpi Rajanikanth Shenoy, India |
Dec 1, 2009 |
We have one more doctor Dr. Raj Hegde from Austalia in addition to Dr. BM Hedge.
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We have many more doctors writing here regularly in EYT, Ibrahim Hussain Saheb. You have to identify them by their style of posts, however!
There are para-medical people from the US as well, who aspire to be as good as qualified doctors. |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Dec 1, 2009 |
every RSS man has`to be identified and recorded as this will be needed for crimes against humanity later - Ravi
An additional workload on Nandan Nilekani?
The database of registered RSS members is on any day accessible to the Police. Union Home Minister can do something rather than some ad-hoc talks like "We are considering banning RSS/VHP" to fool his preferred population that they are safe. |
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| Ravi, Australia |
Dec 1, 2009 |
you dont seem to get the point D P Kumar. where did you include political stunt in this? the RSS and BJP are running a methodical examination of thier ideology of elimination of non hindu's. this will come to the fore when just not Hindu's but hindu's who oppose them.
Babri was brought down, Christians attacked, Sikhs are next so will be Buddhists, parsis & Jains. every non hindu will be tested for mettle before a final national level consensus is achieved. this is the very same thing the Nazi's did. read any article on the internet.
every RSS man has`to be identified and recorded as this will be needed for crimes against humanity later.
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| Guru, India |
Dec 1, 2009 |
"Mr. Panikkar has clearly stated that he has paid International registration fee in Dubai as well as he is holding International Driving License"-Kudpi Rajanikanth Shenoy clarifies.
You are right in noting both on registration and licence Mr. Kudpi.
The Driving licence is valid for one year.
The vhicle can have International Registration and the vehicle clearly shows it as UAE as per Geneva convenion.
Our friends from gulf or US should have clarified these points on first hand. |
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| N.S.Shenoy, India |
Dec 1, 2009 |
"Religions have similarities and differences. People highlight the differences to create division among the masses and highlight the similarities to bring them together. It is up to us what path we want to choose."- Kiran USA.
I agree with you Kiran. If we attempt to find out differences, it is only on the means or the doors and ways.
The ultimate Truth seeker does not find much of a difference between religions.
Peple fight and kill on losing reasoning and on empty thoughts they believe as true from some fake leader! |
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| Shareef Moideen, Mangalore/ Jeddah, Saudi Arabia |
Dec 1, 2009 |
A documentary is not the evidence to malign Islam, even terrorists have killed Muslims also they don’t target just non-Muslims, country like Saudi Arabia is also victim of terrorism and the terrorroits in Pakistan don’t target just non-Muslims they also target Muslims in the Masjid.
There is not even a single verse in Quran that advocates terrorism and Osama bin Laden cannot write a holy Quran because no human being could ever write something similar to Quran or edit it in past 1400 years. If someone can tell that terrorists draw inspiration from Quran then we Muslims should believe that the atrocities & bomb blasts by non-Muslims in India & other parts of the world also draw inspiration from their holy book. |
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| Shareef Moideen, Mangalore/ Jeddah, Saudi Arabia |
Dec 1, 2009 |
Shen,
If you would have compared my bowling with any Indian spinners I would have been much happier, if police authorities cannot get the vital information from Kasab even after 1 year, do you think it will be possible for them to collect the information and the people behind 26/11 attacks. As you said, he is living at the expenses of our hard-earned money don’t you think that he should be hanged publicly for playing with human lives. Shen! Reality differs from real life situation. |
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| DONY LOBO, Milagres,Doha,, Qatar |
Dec 1, 2009 |
Sub : Differences between Masjid……Palli……..Dhargah…
I humbly request any of the distinguished and learned men in the E.Y.T forum to kindly highlight what is supposed to be the real difference between a Masjid, Palli, Dargah and a Madeera.
Since my childhood, I remember people referring to the historical prayer house on the light house hill close to the St. Aloysius School / College (which I used to pass by with a group of friends almost four times per day on way to and fro to the school and college)……as Idgah Palli., and we always respected it something to be the most important among the prayer houses like what a cathedral is to other churches. In fact some of my close school-friends who used to walk together (both Hindus and Christians included) used to even bow as we passed by in reverence in front of the main gate of entry into the building which used to be always locked. |
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| Ibrahim Hussain, India |
Dec 1, 2009 |
president of bus/ car/ auto association must also strive to bring about some sort of discipline amongst the members in addition to fighting for their rights.
Dear BSB,
Thanks for greetings and concern about Bakrid.
There are hundreds of ministers and presidents come and gone. Thier span of life in these institutions are limited. No one can change them.
Secondly there are many unions operate in the transport line. Why only Ivan D'souza is blamed for this? |
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| Ibrahim Hussain, India |
Dec 1, 2009 |
It would be a great idea if a dietitian or Nutrition expert is also available for open discussion.
Kudpi Mam,
Your suggestion will be the best way to find second opinion through opening an healthline in this Website. I am sure thousands will be benifitted by doing this. We have one more doctor Dr. Raj Hegde from Austalia in addition to Dr. BM Hedge.
Dear Web Master, please initiate on this and provide a healthline for discussions and suggestions. |
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| Kudpi Rajanikanth Shenoy, India |
Dec 1, 2009 |
Rajat, Rajani and Rajdoot, a lethal combination sure to yield results
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That's a good one, Shen maam :D |
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| Ibrahim Hussain, India |
Dec 1, 2009 |
Treat terrorists as terrorists. No need to go into their religion – as they have none.
Shareef,
It is my opinion, Government of India gave more importance to 26/11 terrorist attack than the daily terrorist attacks, killings, Government property losses carried out by the Naxals, ULFA,Balbir Militia, Ranvir Sena, Bajrangdal, Sanathan Sanshta, Naga National Council-Federal (NNC-F) National Liberation Front of Tripura etc.
Government of India must crush these internal terrorist organization as well without any political bias.
However, in this forum, people always pointing thier fingers on Islam for terrorism even if you go one telling dawn to evening Islam condemns terrorism. |
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| D.P.Kumar, India |
Dec 1, 2009 |
highlight the similarities (between religions) to bring them together -Kiran USA.
This is the one thought I have been pondering over. How nice.
People in religions have birth and are sure of death.
During birth of a child people around feel happy. The child only cries!
During death, the body remains unmoved and people around show their feelings of sadness, regrets, pains and tears.
Few days back, I was discussing with Hussain on similar point. I noted that both Hindus and Muslims circumbulate. Hindus at their temples and Muslims during Haj at Mecca.
Bodily cleanliness before prayers is prescribed in both the religions. That is essential before cleanliness of mind.
Fasting is prescribed in both the religions.
Dead body is given bath in both their customs.
Both religions have a supreme Godhead.
I for one feel that Islam is not very different from Christianity. The Quran mentions Jesus, Mary, Abraham and few others as part of the great list of prophets. Both have angels, good life after death etc.
Why not we try to list out the common features and good conducts in both the religions? |
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| Judith L, India |
Dec 1, 2009 |
| Putur, Terrorist have no religion. They are taking the cover of God, but actually, they belong to Satans because of their indescrimiate killings. They are killing people from all religion including their own and worst they also, use children in their mission. They are making their path to hell easier. |
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| Judith, India |
Nov 30, 2009 |
Putur,
I am not saying the terrorist are right. But, it not at all fair on the part of immediate so called family memebers, these cold blooded people are greater terrorist, who instead of supporting the victims families causes them mental torture this is worst then physical torture. Unless we have a similar nature, which makes you think you are right. |
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| Puttur DInesh, USA |
Nov 30, 2009 |
Raj
I don't know what was the purpose of reproducing those posts, I really did not get what you were trying to convey. is it about personal attacks? Shenoy and I handle it really well, it is only when it comes to you and me it gets to the point of Ad Nauseaum(courtesy CR UAE). I think Shenoy and I get along fine in the forum.
Nelson and Shenoy @ mallus- I think India is a democracy and people have the right to live and work anywhere they want and do whatever they want except in J&K. I don't think Mallu is dereogatory term, even keralites use that word, its like mangys, maratis, goans etc etc. Someone from the forum can throw some light on this topic.
Judith @ patting my back- issue of terrorism and domestic violence.
Judith many families who won the mega lotteries have lost the money and have their life destroyed within few years of winning.
I think money corrupts people and makes them nasty and greedy, I think its just human nature, but you seem to be comparing two different issues.
Shah rukh Khan a practicing Muslim saying that terrorists are not muslims is like Pontius Pilate washing his hand after handing over Jesus to the Jews.
If you get a chance watch the documentary "terror in Mumbai" Bro Wasim the boss repeatedly mentions that "you must die for the victory of Islam" " Kill Infidels" "Spare Muslims" "kill Jews" etc.
I think good and moderate Muslims are trying to wash their hands by saying that terrorists are not Muslim/ unislamic. While the terrorists never let a chance go without killing innocent non Muslims in the name of Allah. It was seen on 9/11, 26/11, 7/11, Beslan attacks, Karachi Bombing, fort hood shooting etc etc etc.
The need to the hour is to confront the misguided youth and steer them in the right direction. No matter what people say they draw inspiration from Islam or are supplied with wrong copies of Quaran written by Osama Bin Laden. |
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| Shen, India |
Nov 30, 2009 |
Rajat may help me in this, I am sure! :D-Mr Kudpi
Rajat, Rajani and Rajdoot, a lethal combination sure to yield results.:P |
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| Shen, India |
Nov 30, 2009 |
Reddys, Yeddys and Swamis are all hand in glove -S K Shetty
Do you have any basis for this irresponsible statement Mr Shetty? Even if you go as a minister, you will be received with all the honours due to a minister be it Udupi or Kollur or Dharmasthala. So stop casting aspersions on Swamiji. It is everyone's knowledge how the Reddys have harassed the CM. So please desisit from making this type of statement. It has no substance in it.
PS: Even if Mr Moily visits Udupi, he will be received with honour by the Swamiji. It is called as 'Raja Satkara' or paying respect to the king/ruler. |
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| Shareef Moideen, Mangalore/ Jeddah, Saudi Arabia |
Nov 30, 2009 |
Kiran,
The article I provided was not biased; I was not throwing mud on another religion for the sake of argument like others. I was responding to some readers accusing and attributing the terrorism to one religion. I agree with you religion have similarities and differences and it is up to us to choose the path. In all the communities there are black sheep’s, we cannot just point out on particular community for the wrongdoings of some of its followers.
Why did Modi walked out of interview when Karan Tapar asked about him about Godhra riots and in September 2003 the Supreme Court said that they had lost faith in the Gujarat government. In April 2004 the Chief Justice of Supreme Court said that you were like a modern day Nero who looks the other side when helpless children and innocent women are burned and the sting operation by Tehelka.com (http://www.countercurrents.org/dube291007.htm)
I reiterate Treat terrorists as terrorists. No need to go into their religion – as they have none |
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| Shen, India |
Nov 30, 2009 |
Religions have similarities and differences. People highlight the differences to create division among the masses and highlight the similarities to bring them together. It is up to us what path we want to choose.-Kiran
Good point there Kiran. Keep it up. I honestly did not know that our twin district people are so obsessed with religion and caste. When I was in Bangalore, I used to proudly say that our district is different when it comes to caste and religion. There is too much casteism in Bangalore. They used to say 'no such thing. It is the same everywhere'. Now I see what they meant. People are too much engrossed in discussing religion. I see so much of bitterness and anger expressed in this forum. Perhaps the impotent anger gets misdirected and innocent contribuitors are the targets since they can never point at the real targets. |
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| Shen, India |
Nov 30, 2009 |
first of all congrats mr, prasad for owning a giant suv. but i think its not worthy, -Shaukath
Shaukath bhai, are U congratulating him for buying what you consider as unworthy?
PS:Hummer is a sucker punch for all those who do not know much about GM vehicles. Any day buy Japanese models like Nissan or Toyota. SDon't go for American models. Sheer waste of money. Americans still ahve not learnt how to make an efficient vehicle. FORD means fix or repair daily. |
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| Shen, India |
Nov 30, 2009 |
I read the article in TOI today, in which Mr. Panikkar has clearly stated that he has paid International registration fee in Dubai as well as he is holding International Driving License and the vehicle has Dubai registration plate thus.
-Mr Kudpi
International registration is a load of trash. There is no such thing. There of course is International driver's licence which will allow you to drive in another country. That again is possible when you show it to the authorities who will isuue a licence based on the Int licence.It is illegal to drive a vehicle without local regn for a prolonged unreasonable period. It is the bounden duty of the owner to get local insurance and regn. I wonder which insurance company was bold enough to issue cover note.
PS: Without a local dealer for this vehicle, it will be difficult to maintain it. He will need parts for the vehicle. Will he import them from the gulf as well? [It is another matter and a myth that some Sardarji from Ludhiana will manufacture a duplicate part which fits]It makes sewnse to buy what is locally manufactured. |
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| Shen, India |
Nov 30, 2009 |
do you think they are terrorists or patriots ?-Shareef Moideen bowling like Saqlain Mushtaq
No one defends these people you have listed. But Kasab is being defended at the cost of tax payers of our country. If Mr Kazmi has lied, he should be debarred from practising law. As simple as that. A lawyer is not suppossed to lie in a court of law. In fact no witness is suppossed to lie either. Mr Kazmi has spoilt his own image by doing this. The trial will go on and take its course because more than actually punishing him, it is important to establish the people behind this whole episode. You may perhaps be surprised how many people are actually invovlved in this matter. That is what the trial is all about. It is important to keep him alive and get all the information. Once he dies, viatl information will be lost forever. Pakistan will do exactly that. They may send some one to jail to kill him. Don't you see Hindi films? |
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| Original R.pai, USA |
Nov 30, 2009 |
"Palaniappan Chidambaram was also present, listening keenly to SRKs" - Nagendra Shenoy
Yes - I am very proud of our Home Minister. He keeps his mouth shut when a group issues a fatwa on singing 'vande mataram', only to shoot off his mouth on 'Babri masjid' incident at the same place. I'm sure he fully agrees with 'terror has no religion' message. Because that's what Pakistan has been telling him since 26/11 - remember, 'stateless actors'??
Yes - I am very proud of him. |
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| Kudpi Rajanikanth Shenoy, India |
Nov 30, 2009 |
it may be much more expensive than getting the same done by the leading ortho specialists in Mangalore
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I had better ideas BSB, like camouflaging myself with the picture of Harley Davidson painted on my body like pili vesha of Namma Kudla!
That way, I could even get a free heart transplant! :D |
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| Kudpi Rajanikanth Shenoy, India |
Nov 30, 2009 |
Ma'am Did you REALLY MEAN IT? :O
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BSB,
First of all, I don't think it is a madam who posted that thought.
If it is, she knows not what she does! |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Nov 30, 2009 |
I agree that the media should cover all the social and religious activities which will be of interest to the particular community - Shenoy
Shenoy Maam, you would agree, that can be possible with those media giants who would have commercial interests in setting up a business concern. They have a wide reach, bigger team, financial support and more readers and not to forget the money they make through advertisements. Given it's limited resources, M.Com has done best so far. Imagine Rajesh Shetty carrying his expensive camera and riding fast from Light House Hill Top to Ullal Mosque on those roads of which we are always critical!
Whatever happens in Ullal Masjid is the same as Light House Hill Masjid.
BTW, I would like to know why certain commercial websites could not come up with ideas like that of connecting the common man of the district with DC. |
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| Shareef Moideen, Mangalore/ Jeddah, Saudi Arabia |
Nov 30, 2009 |
Shen,
We Indians should deal strictly with Kasab according to the Indian laws, for me he is guilty and the court shouldn’t drag the case too long and give the death sentence to him, Kasab should be hanged publicly so others will not dare to attack our soil.
Special Judge Tahaliyani told that “It appears that Kazmi has developed a feeling that he has become indispensable and without him the trial cannot go on. He has developed a feeling that the court is helpless without him”, he was too confident that without him the trial will not proceed so he did lied to court (this is my assumption)
Kasab is a terrorist not a patriot for us, and please can you answer me what you think about Sadhvi Pragnya Singh Thakur. Col. Purohit (being in Military he has done disgrace to entire military forces) and others accused in Malegoan blast and the accused in Goa blast, Raj Thackeray and Nathuram Godse do you think they are terrorists or patriots ? |
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| Shen, India |
Nov 30, 2009 |
also may be a few timber merchants.-N agendra maam
I don't think so Nagendra maam. Bangalore administrators have been passionate about their metropolis. There used to be N Laxmana Rao in the seventies. They all have worked hard to maintain the image of garden city for decades. Now that the city has grown out of proportion, the transportation has to be looked into. Obviuosly some drastic changes must have happened. I have not visited Bangalore since 2002. I think lots of changes have happened. In the seventies there was no ring road. Now we hear about outer ring road and inner ring road.It is possible to build again after pulling down some of the structures including old big trees. Re planting [vana mahosthava] is a useful exercise.
PS: I am writing in real time or IST.:) |
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| Shen, India |
Nov 30, 2009 |
Let us try to conserve the trees as much as possible. -Bangera
I agree with this sentiment. We need to think Green. Metro of course is another matter. We can improve the infrastructure but also make sure that for every tree that is removed, a new plant has to be planted in reasonably close proximity. Bangalore used to be cool mainly because of its gardens and trees apart from its geographical location. Now a days you can not call it cool any more. The air is severely polluted. The beautiful Bangalore I used to know is gone. Dil dhoondta hai, phir wohi phursat ke raat din. Baite huve patang udhe jaana diye huve. |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Nov 30, 2009 |
In Bangalore, lot of trees have been felled in the last two years, courtesy metro - Bangera
Metro and also may be a few timber merchants. All tricks have a equal probability in politics. |
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| Shen, India |
Nov 30, 2009 |
why no media taken a single photo of Ullal seyyadi madani masjid -Rizwan
Good observation Riaz. I agree that the media should cover all the social and religious activities which will be of interest to the particular community. Others are also curious to learn about the happenings. |
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| Shen, India |
Nov 30, 2009 |
Suzuki swift can beat hummer easily -Prashanth
Wow! Dr Panicker must be having a hearty laugh on all types of discussion being generated by his vehicle. |
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| Shen, India |
Nov 30, 2009 |
Treat terrorists as terrorists. No need to go into their religion – as they have none.-Shareef
Long and interesting post here. May I ask you a simple question? How do you think we should deal with Kasab? I hope you are familiar with that name by now. Do you think he is a guest or an invader? Why do you think Mr Kazmi told a lie in the court? Was it because he thought the lawyers and judges are naive? Or was it his inherent feelings which made him try to come out of the whole episode so that he does not have to be defending the indefnsible?
PS: Do you think Kasab was a terrorist or a patriot? [of Pakistan of course] Thanks for taking time to reply. |
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| Judith L, India |
Nov 30, 2009 |
Palaksh and Putur,
You both seem to enjoy patting each others back. But one thing is for sure there are bad elements in every community, and not ALL SAINTS in one particular community.
what is your view on this point given below, HONEST COMMENT PLEASE:-
Okay the terrorist are inhuman people. What about those who are the so called family members are not leaving any stone unturned in trying to take an opportunity from the poor widows, who have lost their husbands in the terror attack and their children by compelling them hook or by crook to part with the benefits they have received from Govt. and other social organisations. ARE THESE SELFISH PEOPLE NOT WORST THEN THE TERRORIST, CAN WE CALL THEM COLD BLOODED CREATURES.??? |
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| BSB, India |
Nov 30, 2009 |
"I don't know if they have appointed any dealers in India so far." Kudpi maam
They are finalizing the dealerships in Metros and some of the Tier-1 cities. Cost of dealership starts at a whopping 27 crores. :)
Heard that they want to model all the dealerships around the Biker Cafe theme with lots of Harley merchandise.
Regarding lubricating of joints by HD technicians, it may be much more expensive than getting the same done by the leading ortho specialists in Mangalore lol :) |
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| BSB, India |
Nov 30, 2009 |
"I do not think Dr. Acharya, the Home Ministeer is responsible for this language used by Police?" IH bhai
IH bhai, its been a long time. Hope you are doing good and had a great Bakrid :)
I tend to disagree on the above. Dr. Acharya must do his bit to bring some sort of civility amongst his troops. As a Home Minister, he IS responsibile for the way a commoner gets treated by the Police dept.
Similarly, a person who holds a position of the president of bus/ car/ auto association must also strive to bring about some sort of discipline amongst the members in addition to fighting for their rights. |
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| Judith L, India |
Nov 30, 2009 |
| Palaksh, there is still time, please you and your team go to Assam for rehabilitation and human service work. PLS. START IMMEDIATELY. We are waiting to hear your accomplishment. |
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| Kudpi Rajanikanth Shenoy, India |
Nov 30, 2009 |
We must have some debate on the health as Kudpi Mam opined.
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Ibrahim Hussain Saheb,
We have a few eminent doctors like Dr. B. M. Hegde writing for our website. It would be a good idea if our webmaster could start a new column "Healthline" and request Dr. Hegde or other doctors to guide our readers and clear their doubts on health matters.
Many a time, even though we consult highly qualified doctors in our cities, we need to depend on a second opinion. Not all doctors entertain patients coming for a second opinion.
Googling helps us to certain extent, but not always! discussing about self experience within known circle is the best way out, I feel.
It would be a great idea if a dietitian or Nutrition expert is also available for open discussion. |
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| Kudpi Rajanikanth Shenoy, India |
Nov 30, 2009 |
Btw there is one Harley on Mangalore roads - have you seen it?
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No BSB. I have heard about it but never seen it!
Yeah like you said, they have launched the Harley Davidson in India. Thanks for that forward.
I don't know if they have appointed any dealers in India so far.
As for my dream, if at all that comes true, I may need to get my own nuts and bolts fixed and get my joints lubricated by the service personnel of Harley Davidson before and after I took a ride to and from Udupi :D |
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| Ibrahim Hussain, India |
Nov 30, 2009 |
Daanyambe, R Maga, B Maga etc are all their vocabulary too well known for those who travel. These goons need to be disciplined.
Shen Mam,
The same language is used by DK and Udipi Police Department. I do not think Dr. Acharya, the Home Ministeer is responsible for this language used by Police? |
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| Ibrahim Hussain, India |
Nov 30, 2009 |
PPS: These are my opinions and so take them or ignore them.
Dear Roshan,
In Udayavani daily, I read the similar article on website. It is special edition called Arogya Vani supported by KMC Manipal.
Very useful tips to reduce the weight, stay healthy and live longer.
We must have some debate on the health as Kudpi Mam opined. |
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| Ibrahim Hussain, India |
Nov 30, 2009 |
PPS: These are my opinions and so take them or ignore them.
Dear Roshan,
In Udayavani daily, I read the similar article on website. It is special edition called Arogya Vani supported by KMC Manipal.
Very useful tips to reduce the weight, stay healthy and live longer.
We must have some debate on the health as Kudpi Mam opined. |
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| Kudpi Rajanikanth Shenoy, India |
Nov 30, 2009 |
When you visit US, you can stop by here so I can take you for a tour of Harley fecility.
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Thanks for your kind gesture Pai Maam. I'll be very glad to visit your place if at all I make it to the US!
BTW, I know your full name and the place where you live, but not by Googling or through any person. I also know that you are an excellent photographer, mainly capturing nature at its best!
Keep guessing Pai maam :D |
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| Ashok S, UAE |
Nov 30, 2009 |
"Terror has no religion..."
Agree. Tired of the cliche. VERY tired of the cliche.
SRK has a great following in the Muslim world. Must be pretty hard to walk the tight rope.
Worse still, he and others have to keep saying how committed they are to India. If he does not say something pro-India, he will be termed a traitor.
Must be rather stressful to be a hero from that religion. |
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| Ibrahim Hussain, India |
Nov 30, 2009 |
I think, we need to have some more debate on health related issues rather than religious issues here in EYT.
Kudpi Mam,
I agree with your suggestion. The debate in Manipal regarding the suggestion to be veggies, it is come out of some religious point of view. I will share with you on health related debate. |
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| Alfred J. Rebello, Dubai,, UAE |
Nov 30, 2009 |
I see plenty of Vegitarians have big bellys. Is it side effect? - Ibrahim Hussain
No. Straight effect. I heard, more the money, bigger the ponch. Why poor do not have ponch? 90% of the people die early because of over eating or wrong diet and 10% without having anything to eat. Why most of the rich have more sicknesses than poor? Answer is there itself. |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Nov 30, 2009 |
I'm sure the event (terror has no ....) was sponsored and attended by many naive mumbaikars and corporations - Original R Pai
O R Pai,
Palaniappan Chidambaram was also present, listening keenly to SRKs each and every word. |
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| Alfred J. Rebello, Dubai,, UAE |
Nov 30, 2009 |
I have a few Mallu friends - Nelson Lewis.
Nelson, by calling them Mallu, you have shown your impression on them. Is it not better to say, I have few friends from Kerala. |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Nov 30, 2009 |
Nagendra, you are misleading by vomiting venom against Ivan D'souza. Your issue is Ivan D'Souza or Speeding busses? - Divya
Divya,
Issue is obviously against speeding buses and the impolite crew. Also, there is nothing misleading against Ivan. He is involved in Student Union politics from my college days as well. Recently during one of the protests by a political party, someone in this forum pointed out a Student Union President of a college who was in the forefront. Student life is not to take part in political protests which most times happen for political mileage and to make the public aware that they still exist. Look at Delhi University elections today. Do you want Mangalore also to be the same??
There is nothing wrong if Ivan accepts the problem his crew generously donates to the citizens of Mangalore. Accepting that there is a problem itself is half the solution. Further, he is a budding long-term Congress leader in Mangalore and holding oneself accountable for mistakes of their followers are signs of a good leader. Having a crowd behind oneself doesn't mean he or she is a great leader. Stand up in crowd and accept your mistakes, hold yourself accountable to the mistakes of your subordinates - A good leader should also have these qualities according to me.
Note - May be the call "Youngsters should take active part in politics" is taken wrongly. Keep yourselves updated on political developments but during student life never come in the forefront and never show your allegiance to any party in open, especially by taking part in protest marches, election campaigns etc. But vote without fail. |
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| Gopinath K, India |
Nov 30, 2009 |
Nelson,
There are as many from our DK district in gulf as from any district in Kerala.
This point may please be noted. |
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| Judith L, India |
Nov 29, 2009 |
| Yes, Roshan Pais, I get your message. That is what I want to say that people live far away places and only talk about development without any contributions and accusing those who are helping out. |
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| Shen, India |
Nov 29, 2009 |
Later, the machine is fast, while the owner becomes thing of the past!
-Mr Kudpi
That was a neat bouncer Mr Kudpi. Hummer is also owned by Mr Nikhil Gowda who is Mr HDK 's sapoot or Mr H D D'S Grand son.
It would have cost him at least $100000/ to acquire it. He would have paid full duties to import it. I don't know why it can not be registered in Karnataka with a new no [KA 19 etc]He still wants to cling to the UAE regn. That is illegal actually. You can import a car but you are suppossed to have it registered locally. I hope the local RTO authorities will act swiftly and make him do local regn. He is not driving it in the UAE. |
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| Shen, India |
Nov 29, 2009 |
we need Agni 3's and a lot of them pointing at Bejing, Shanghai and Hong Kong so that China has second thoughts.-Nima
I wonder what our experts on war think. I am especially looking forward to hear from Nelson maam whom I consider the 'Patton' of this forum. |
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| Shen, India |
Nov 29, 2009 |
He was all around with Reddy! Is it Bye Bye to Yeddi?-Gopinath trying to analyse local 'politrics'
UDUPI Constituency is represented by Mr Bhat. Naturally you will find him. For all you care Mr CM might have instructed him to be present. |
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| Kudpi Rajanikanth Shenoy, India |
Nov 29, 2009 |
Shen maam and PD,
I am reproducing three posts in the past(October 23, 2009) about personal comments in EYT which I'd like both of you to read again, so that amnesia doesn't prevail among unassuming EYTians! :D
Here goes:
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I guess Shenoy maam also agrees with me.- Mr Kudpi
P D means well Mr Kudpi. He has his strong views. At the end of the day it is about some healthy arguments. That's how I see it.
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I have your e-mail address and I can send you a barrage of chosen words from my vocabulary, if that is what you want.
Doesn't make any difference PD. I have spam folder in my mail id where I can direct your valuable vocabulary! :D
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seems like you are testing my patience,-Puttur Dinesh maam to Mr Kudpi
I must ask both of you to let go and focus on friendship instead. Please avoid personal comments which may be upsetting to each other. This message is a general one for all concerned. I trust we all can move on now.
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Please avoid personal comments which may be upsetting to each other. This message is a general one for all concerned.
That's a welcome change in your thoughts Shenoy maam!
Hope, I'll stick to that 'Lakshmana Rekhe'.
I won't ask anyone, if you will!
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My conclusion:
Now, it is left to you guys and decide whether or not to make personal comments in EYT!
I stick to my Lakshmana Rekhe :D |
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| Nelson Lewis, Bahrain |
Nov 29, 2009 |
Mr. Shen,
I have a few Mallu friends who have integrity and sterling qualities and are totally head and shoulder and different from the stereotypes that normally finds (from that community) in the Arabian Gulf or elsewhere in India.
A few months ago, there were writers who commented on Keralites in bad light and there were others, chiefly Keralites, who refuted these claims and considered their community to be hard working, dedicated, honest and having 100% literacy and blah, blah, etc., etc.
Can Puttur Dinesh enlighten us why a State which, considering its resources and other positive attributes, should have been the richest State in India and not others, comprise 75% of the Indian population. Well, this speaks the shoddy state of affairs in Kerala. Knowing the state of affairs in Kerala nd how Keralites live in Bahrain and other places in Gulf, I found the tall claims of a few Keralite writers to be highly hilarious and exaggerated.
My friends, consider that if you were to take the territorial area of Kerala and multiple it by 89.5 times, then you get the total area of India. Can readers with fertile imagination tell me why a State which is 1/89.5 of India's total area, is sending its people that comrpise 75% of the total Indians in the Arabian Gulf.
In short, can Dinesh Puttur tell me (and other readers) why a territory which is 1/89th of the Indian territory has its people who comprise 75% of all Indians, whereas 25% of others Indian can from a landmass which is 89.5 times larger than Kerala.
I am not exaggerating things or making bombastic claims, but expressing facts. |
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| Kudpi Rajanikanth Shenoy, India |
Nov 29, 2009 |
As far as the Konkani foods I know, you people use more ghee than any other people.
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It is not so as far as I know. Punjabis Sindhis and Gujarathis are known for consuming ghee in abundance.
Even though part of Konkanis(Saraswats) are from North Indian origin, we generally avoid eating ghee in the modern era for health reasons.
We Saraswats cook mainly rice, rasam, daal, curry or fry without much fat, but being attached to Coastal Southern belt, we prefer coconut oil over refined vegetable oil. Some of the GSBs eat fish and meat. Again, these items are preferably curry type and non-oily.
Of late, many GSBs shallow fry fish on nonstick-tawa with lowest quantity of oil.
Youngsters may get attracted to Pizza or other fast food containing high amount of fat. This is applicable to all castes and religions.
Obesity could be inherited as well.Those who follow strict diet may or may not be successful in reducing weight or curbing heart disease.
Ibrahim Hussain Saheb, it is hydrogenated vegetable fat that's the killer, and fast food as well as sweets contain that as substitute for pure desi ghee now a days.
I think, we need to have some more debate on health related issues rather than religious issues here in EYT. Many experiences could be shared within, so that others gain. |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Nov 29, 2009 |
PD,
It's a good slap on the face of security over here. What the incident shows is that...if you are a White with blonde hair and Christian/western sounding name, you are easily trusted by even the top security officials!!
In a way, I am glad that it happened. It should open eyes of those at the top and they can tighten the procedure. |
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| Shen, India |
Nov 29, 2009 |
If you a donation bad person becomes good person in the eye of society.- RG
Reminded me of the episode from a novel by the late Vishu Kumar where a temple gets gold plated cover for its kalasha or some such thing. The donor is a whore from Mumbai who had migrated from Mangalore when she was young. She returns to Mangalore to donate some thing to the temple where she performs pooja.She is received with all the honours.
PS:If I remember right the story also reveals how the priest was also involved with that whore some time before she left for Mumbai. |
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| Shen, India |
Nov 29, 2009 |
3. Saturated fat can also come from our diet from vegetarian food (anything which becomes solid at 4 degrees) - coconut oil is one example. Ghee is animal fat and is saturated.
-Roshan Pais
Very true. However our respected Maha Guru Prof Hegde has a different opinion on coconut oil. He has produced articles if not papers on the benefits of coconut oil. He has gone on record stating that coconut oil was bad mouthed by U S A for business purposes.I don't think I agree with him on that.
However, when it comes to good taste, nothing can beat the taste of first class coconut oil from Sr Krishna Mills.For the readers who do not know about coconut oil, it is essential to know that there are 3 different classes of coconut oils. The first class obviously is the best. It is also more expensive. The coconut minus the oil [Hindhi]is fed to the cows. Some of the restaurants use it to make very tasty chutney which we eat unsuspectingly. Mrs Geeta Prabhu will agree with me on this issue I think.Perhaps chutney prepared this way may be more healthy as it is minus the fat content.
PS: Jeevi gujje podi fried in Sri Krishna Mills first class oil used to be my favourite snack. Oh! to be in Mangalore again! |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Nov 29, 2009 |
"I see plenty of Vegitarians have big bellys" - Ibrahim Hussain
Dear friend,
As pointed by many already, lack of excercise can cause pot belly. You can be a pure vegitarian - but if you don't cut on salt, oil, sweet and extreme spicy food, your health would be in jeapordy. Same with excercise - if you are a couch potatoe, you would put on weight easily.
To me, vegitarianism is not just for health. It is a a moral question. I am hopeful that....as we make progress....one day in the future, there would be more people accepting/practicing vegitarianism than non-veg food habits. |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Nov 29, 2009 |
These Reddy brothers are directly responsible for turning roads in the coastal belt into no-roads thanks to their ore loaded lorrys mauling our roads day in and day out - R Nayak
Reddy Bros. are omnipresent from only last 4-5 years. But the Shirady Ghats have been in a pathetic condition for almost a decade now. Both BJP and Congress haven't cared for those roads genuinely. We will not mind gawarding 10 tenders in a year to the lowest cum corrupt bidder but we will not award the tender to the third or fourth lowest bidder even if he can guarantee the roads for atleast 5 years. One of the examples for manipulating the system easily. |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Nov 29, 2009 |
| Both the gate-crash and car-crash of two similar-looking Americans were disclosed by you in this forum. Pratibha Patil loves you for your speed as much as she loves her Sukoi :-) |
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| Gopinath K, India |
Nov 29, 2009 |
R.Nayak,
Honourble, rather, Most Honourable; highly respected, dynamic, people friendly, saviour of the poor and helpless, the Reddy Brothers and their company proved that they can travel on your highways with humps, bumps, ponds and pools to Udupi Temple with anardhana Reddy the kandaya mantri inaugurating the bhojana shala at Udupi krishna Matt area.
Is it not a proof enough?
Just keep the photos of the three Reddies- the trimutris and light agarabatti every day and see the smile on the faces of yaddi and elected representatives of BJP!!
Jai oblapura mahatme! Congress too laments special Reddy bhajans written by Kharge!
All are busy digging mines, selling districts and states, and finally mother- Bharat-ma.
Otherwise, why Center (Sonia-Manmohan) is not directing a CBI enquiry or JPC on this open loot by handful of crooks? |
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| Shen, India |
Nov 29, 2009 |
I tried with your Twitter name but did not find you PD.-Nagendra maam in chaddi utahrne ka mode
He may be on teeter and not on twitter as he claims Nagendra maam. |
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| Shen, India |
Nov 29, 2009 |
What could be the opposite of TRIdev? -Nagendra maam
You are referring to diametrically oppossed forces Nagendra maam. It can feel warm and cosy if the radius is reduced to zero. |
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| Shen, India |
Nov 29, 2009 |
However, I did my best and got a job and presently in KSA. -Chandrashekar
Congratulations to you on your grit and determination to fight and stay. The world is indeed a big place. Dubai nahin toh Saudi hi sahi. Saudi nahin toh UAE sahi. Am I right Nagendra maam? |
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| Shen, India |
Nov 29, 2009 |
Is it neccessary to redicule Mallus, I thought we were supposed to respect every one in the forum. Few months ago you mentioned about anti GSB sentiment, is it ok for you to redicule others? "treat others as you would like to be treated" Not only me, your Professor BM Hegde quotes the same.
-Puttur Dinesh, the preacher
Which one of my post are you referring to Dinesh maam? What exactly did you find objectionable? What did you perceive as making fun of 'Mallus'?[Malayalees] In fact you are making fun of them by referring to them as Mallus. Did your professor at the Karavali college not teach you how not to refer to others that way? |
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| Shen, India |
Nov 29, 2009 |
But your arch-friend/rival Shenoy still works as per IST in USA :-))-N S
And it is that same Shen/oy who reported the gate crashing event even before it went to press. See earlier posts and check it for yourselves. That includes the femme fatales of this forum as well. |
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| Shen, India |
Nov 29, 2009 |
I see plenty of Vegitarians have big bellys.-I H
Lack of exercise is the main reason. Again, exceesive calories is another reason. Most of the people work as sedentary workers and consume the calories which a hard working farmer needs. |
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| Shen, India |
Nov 29, 2009 |
Seems like India has not learnt anything from 26/11. Hope India manages the security better next time.-P D
Oh! I did not know that the White House was located in India. |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Nov 29, 2009 |
I don't know if you guys have heard about party crashers at the white house - Puttur Dinesh Maam
India is a bit faster than US Puttur Dinesh Maam. When you sleep we would have woken up and read what happens/happened in the US :-)
But your arch-friend/rival Shenoy still works as per IST in USA :-)) |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Nov 29, 2009 |
I see plenty of Vegitarians have big bellys. Is it side effect? - Ibrahim Hussain
It is Forward Integration strategy :-)
Big bellys are not only a gift of regular non-veg eating and drinking but also due to lack of exercise, sleeping for 3-4 hours in the afternoon, sedentary lifestyle, boiled rice in excess etc.
Ghee eating - You must take a look at Gujju girls. You will know who eats more ghee :-) |
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| Shen, India |
Nov 29, 2009 |
So, Emirates Airlines might die an early death. Etihad Airlines of Abu Dhabi will be the winner.-Ashok
Etihad is well known for its poor service. That will be a pity if Emirates dies an early death as you suggest. Many air lines in the world have taken a hit due to financial problems. Emirates is a well organised air line and will survive. Ethihad on the other hand has a long way to go to catch up with Emirates. Just having funds does not make it a better air line. Perhaps some code sharing arrangements will come into place if Emirates sells some of its routes to Ethihad or some other air line. |
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| Shen, India |
Nov 29, 2009 |
So, a few thousands people may have to leave Dubai to Kerala, at least for a few months or years.- A S Mathew
While I have read your contribuition and tend to agree on the points, I am afraid you are underplaying the effect it will have on the Kerala workers. I don't think it will just be few thousands. It may be much more than few thousands. Rehabilitating those who return will take a toll on the Kerala government and lead to chaos. I am hoping that such a situation will not happen.
The expression 'Dubaida Anna' may soon be a thing of the past. It used to be 'Bombaida Anna' in the sixties. In the seventies, it became Dubaida Anna and has continued that way mainly eventhough people have gone to other Gulf countries and other countries as well.
PS: Our people have managed to survive two gulf wars and still find employment in the gulf. I beleive this will be a temporary set back. They will recover. Afterall, the gulf employers need work force to run the country. Shaikhs are not going to do all that work. They need help. |
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| Smitha Rai, UAE |
Nov 29, 2009 |
PPS: It is not true that he offered modelling job to Nooyi or Kochar.:) @shenu
this shows the typical caveman mcp mind set u have. |
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| Guru, India |
Nov 29, 2009 |
shankar,
Why don't you buy a new key-board?
Yours appear cap-less at present!
Or else, use non dummy board with key lock:-P |
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| N.S.Shenoy, India |
Nov 29, 2009 |
"people like kaveriappa are worried about animals which are the creations of God being killed for food "-Jameel on cow slaughter.
Why you don't eat dogs and pigs which are also creation of God? |
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| Puttur Dinesh, USA |
Nov 29, 2009 |
I don't know if you guys have heard about party crashers at the white house. A uninvited couple goes to the State dinner and meets the president and PM of India. A big failure on the part of secret service.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/27/AR2009112702135.html?g=0
I think India has to take its own security measures and not allow the PM to meet any unknown guests at a foreign meeting. Seems like India has not learnt anything from 26/11. Hope India manages the security better next time. |
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| Puttur Dinesh, USA |
Nov 29, 2009 |
Shenoy Maam
Dubai does not have much oil reserves, that is why they have tried to diversify their economy.
But their cops drive BMW, probably they can cut back on that :)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Dubai_Cop_Car.JPG
Is it neccessary to redicule Mallus, I thought we were supposed to respect every one in the forum. Few months ago you mentioned about anti GSB sentiment, is it ok for you ro redicule others? "treat others as you would like to be treated" Not only me, your Professor BM Hegde quotes the same.
just moral question for you shenoy Maam, that's all.
Hope you had a good thanksgiving. |
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| Puttur Dinesh, USA |
Nov 29, 2009 |
Raj
I think like I said in my earlier post, its a great diplomatic opportunity for India. India needs to step in and help Dubai at least for the millions of NRI's
NRI's should write to their Embassy in Dubai. |
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| Alfred J. Rebello, Dubai,, UAE |
Nov 29, 2009 |
allah created only terrorism. - Sunil, India.
Sunil You are absolutely wrong in saying this. It is the religious people who created different religions created terrorism to conquor others for their own survival and Not Allah or God or Bhaghawan. He is only one and We only call him in different names. |
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| Alfred J. Rebello, Dubi,, UAE |
Nov 29, 2009 |
Prestige is at 'stake' here Alfie maam. - Shen.
Prestige at stake? Whose? Who has it? Do we, I mean, you and me? Or the politicians? or the Public Servants? Or who? Deposits in Swiss Banks tells us the ratio of prestige we have. |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Nov 29, 2009 |
[To the tune of teri galiyon mein na rahenge sanam. Aaj ke baad] - Shenoy
Shenoy Maam, but I still listen a 3-in-1 voice from a distance, singing, "Gully gully mein phirta hai tu kyun banke banjaara? Aa mere dil mein bas jaa mere aashiq awaara" :-)
The song is from the movie TRIdev. What could be the opposite of TRIdev? Teen Deviyaan? Wow!!! |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Nov 29, 2009 |
Now we have to see, what will happen in carstreet - Aadarsh
Aadarsh,
I am not sure if Car Street mosque has to sacrifice some part of their site to the roads. If it has to, that will anyways happen peacefully.
In case you are talking about the SVT, do not worry. Even if there is no road widening, the authorities have decided to donate 6 feet to the MCC. May be some 500 odd less people will be seated during the annual event which is just 5-6 days event. But rest of the 360 days will be beneficial to the general public. Hence this BROAD VIEW :-) |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Nov 29, 2009 |
I tried with your Twitter name but did not find you PD. May be with the URL of your profile I can follow you. I see people like Anand Mahindra, Suresh Vaswani, Mahesh Bhupathi have only 2-3 Tweets maximum in a day, or at times once a week. But Shashi is always on it. He might have a PDA but great to know that a MP other than all those perks and benefits is given some time as well :-))
Barkha, Shashi will reply at times, provided they have a point. Shashi does not have time to reply to the queries relating to 2 boat capsizing in the soon-to-be Devils' own country. May be he feels it is for the Tourism Minister to reply.
You will find me on Orkut, Facebook, Hi5, LinkedIn, Yahoo, G Talk, MSN, Naukri, Monster, Times Jobs et al. I have a special Excel file with User Name and Password of all sites and chats. The Excel also opens with a password since it also contains 'Money matters'. If I forget the Excel password, it is as good as my Hard Disk getting crashed.
But the more we get into social-networking sites, lesser is the time we have to catch up with old friends. My dad has got no clue about all these sites. He asks me if you upload your snaps in this computer how will he see it sitting in the US!!!! But he meets his old friends regularly and I haven't seen some of them after school or college :))
Note - I am not in Shaadi and Bharat Matrimony. Uski toh apun ko jaroorat ich nahin paDta :)) |
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| Kiran, USA |
Nov 29, 2009 |
Ashok S,
I am glad that Dev Kar and Vaidyanathan are Indians. I would be hard pressed for non-Indians to make an accurate estimate of the crooked deals of Indian politicians. Maybe Italians could, but they are a little higher up the corruption index. If you read Vaidyanathan's estimates, he mentions other tax havens too. I understand that you suffered because of BJP lies - lies are the purusha lakshana of politicians and lawyers. I have personally suffered by Dr. VS Acharya too, but it is a choice between a rock and a hard place. Yes, I agree that a huge portion of India's economic laggardness can be attributed to Indira Gandhi's policies and perhaps the culture of corruption too. I think India has suffered by the ineptitude of the Congress for far too long. In my point of view BJP performed exceedingly well in the economic front and full marks to them for the NHAI projects. I did not say Congress is all bad and BJP is all good, I think BJP is better of the two devils from a progressive perspective. |
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| Shen, India |
Nov 28, 2009 |
If you bought a flat in Dubai, the writing is on the wall. Sell now, or regret for ever!-Ashok
Sell it or go flat? Is that what you said? |
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| Ashok S, UAE |
Nov 28, 2009 |
Keep aside the oil and gas revenues???
Unfortunately HP, Dubai never really had any commercial quantity of Oil and Gas. It was a tiny port, the size of Malpe, just 40 years ago. All that it had was dhows, the trading vessels, that moved goods among the ports of the sub-continent, Iran, and Horn of Africa.
Sheikh Rashid (I think he studied for some time in Mumbai), the former ruler, was known to walk around without any security.
But his sons are in multi-billion dollar investments.
The problem is that, Abu Dhabi has the oil, the money, and the ambition to be a real hub for the air traffic between Asia and Europe.
So, Emirates Airlines might die an early death. Etihad Airlines of Abu Dhabi will be the winner. |
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| Shen, India |
Nov 28, 2009 |
I repose faith in the might of the Emirates-blindly or otherwise.
-H P France
I tend to agree with H P here. Another reader has suggested that one has to be cautious and look for jobs. I think it is P D. Dubai will not fail that easily. They have oil reserves. They will recover. Of course some job cuts may come. Don't worry. Our Kerala brothers will gladly agree for a pay cut and keep their jobs as they have been doing in the past any way. So majority will keep their jobs. Once the recovery is complete, they will go back to normal mode. It is not like when the U S A sneezes, the rest of the world catches cold. |
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| Puttur Dinesh, USA |
Nov 28, 2009 |
Hey Naags( nagendra Shenoy)
I am twitter on now @dineshputtur
I am following Barka Dutt and Shashi taroor, asked them some questions. let us see what they say. Some one has made an account on face book under Puttur Dinesh, I don't know if he is the real dinesh from Puttur some one from the forum made it. anyways, it's not me on face book, but it's me on twitter. |
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| Kudpi Rajanikanth Shenoy, India |
Nov 28, 2009 |
Pai Maamanavare,(Bhayankara Original)
"Saganiyavanondige sarasakintha gandhadavana jote guddaata lesu!"
I guess you should leave the fodders to cows and bulls and concentrate on more important issues. |
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| Kudpi Rajanikanth Shenoy, India |
Nov 28, 2009 |
f Saudi Arabia steps in, they will have to give up their liberal way of living, may be a hundred mosques will be built in places of night clubs and bars.
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That's the reality and I agree with PD.
Just last night I was discussing these things with an Economist friend of mine and he drew the same angle of the story! He might upload an article on that in m.com soon.
Unfortunately, that's the way it's gonna be! I guess, it's better be sooner for Indian Hindus and Christians to call it a day and try their luck in India. |
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| Ashok S, UAE |
Nov 28, 2009 |
Kiran,
A little from digging around produced the following story.
"How much cash leaves India? " by Dev Kar, April 30, 2009 (http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=463774659&blogId=486211082).
Dev Kar introduces his story thus:
"Global Financial Integrity (GFI) recently published a report titled Illicit Financial Flows from Developing Countries: 2002-2006...which was well received by academia, governments and non-governmental organizations, came to be widely discussed in the Indian media. The report found that black money to the tune of $22.7-27.3 billion a year has been leaving India over the five-year period".
But Dev Kar somehow forgets to mention that he was the VERY AUTHOR of that same report that "was well received by academia, governments and non-governmental organizations, came to be widely discussed in the Indian media".
Just for the record, Dev Kar is an Indian.
Of course, I could not find a copy of the source report anywhere on the Internet, eventhough it was "was well received by academia, governments and non-governmental organizations, came to be widely discussed in the Indian media".
A copy of the real report, if ever there was one, would have exposed the shallow arguments of Dev Kar on the whole fiction created by him.
True, we can all assume that thieves' money must go somewhere! And where else but Swiss banks, because there is "official policy of secrecy"! What a childish assumption!!!
Kiran, the web blogs are an enemy of human intelligence. Perhaps we should dig deep before claiming Congress is all bad, and BJP is all good?
Perhaps Dev Kar is a BJP propagandist, planted there by Advani just before the last elections? |
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| Ashok S, UAE |
Nov 28, 2009 |
Kiran,
You are still quoting the claims by Indians. By dropping the name of Vaidyanathan, your stories do not get any extra credibility.
Sure they give plenty of weight to your pro-BJP arguments. But where is the REAL source?
I searched everywhere for a copy of the 'Global Financial Integrity study 2006'. None found! One report was meant to come out in 2008. But where is it?
But that did not stop the scare-mongering Keralite Vaidyanathan, and the Indian web media, from claiming that billions of dollars run away from India every year.
Too much dependence on chain mail? That too by a so-called professor? Very shameful indeed.
If the economic situation in India remains less than admirable, it is because of the policies of Indira Gandhi. Not because the money was stashed in Swiss banks.
BJP has thrived in telling lies to the poor people. I have suffered enough by those lies. I think I have woken up. |
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| Kiran, USA |
Nov 28, 2009 |
Whatever media writes cannot be " Veda Vakya". Have you tried for its authencity or accuracy?
Ibrahim,
Sure, I can agree on that. The reason I quoted that from India Today is to make the point that monies taken from Hindu temples with excess earnings is not given back to temples with deficient incomes in a Hindu majority country (as opposed to USA, in a reference to somebody comparing religious interference by the Governments in India to that in US) |
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| Kiran, USA |
Nov 28, 2009 |
Ashok S,
Congress has not denied the figures and they are only making some feeble attempts to recover any money to say "look, we honestly tried", just like they botched up the Quatrocchi extradition case. USA came up with numbers like these and so far they have progressed with at least one bank.
Even if the 1.4 trillion is a high end estimate of the Indian deposits in Swiss banks by Professor R Vaidyanathan, Professor of Finance at the Indian Institute of Management, Bengaluru
http://election.rediff.com/interview/2009/mar/31/inter-swiss-black-money-can-take-india-to-the-top.htm
http://www.dnaindia.com/money/report_time-to-get-back-black-money-in-swiss-accounts_1235975-all
it does not mask the original reason why I quoted the figure. People get itchy when BJP consumes a little, when the major hogs have been hogging for decades. Why do you think led Indira Gandhi to declare Emergency ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Emergency_%28India%29#The_Allahabad_conviction
My point remains Congress hogs the fame and others get the blame. |
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| Puttur Dinesh, USA |
Nov 28, 2009 |
Mangaloreans in Dubai,
Just a note of caution, Dubai would be the first government defaulting on loans in these tough economic times. its a good thing that it has happened once USA is out of recession but you never know there could be double dip situation. So save as much money as you can, cut down spending start looking for other jobs around the middle East.
Dubai is the target of jealousy of many countires, if Oil rich Abi dahbi and other emirates help them it will be good, if Saudi Arabia steps in, they will have to give up their liberal way of living, may be a hundred mosques will be built in places of night clubs and bars.
Hope every thing works out for people in Dubai. |
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| Shen, India |
Nov 28, 2009 |
Is it petrol run or diesel? - N S S
Reminded me of one real life incidence when some one I knew asked his dad 'pappa enk car boduye'. Dad asked 'daanyambe ee enchina padike pini maipuvana, petroluda bile gottunda nikku'?
PS: The guy in question is a sucessful gentleman living in the gulf now. I don't think he will have to pee into the gas tank any more. |
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| HP, France |
Nov 28, 2009 |
Fly buy Dubai......
I repose faith in the might of the Emirates-blindly or otherwise.
Sixty or eighty billions is considered a minor debt and a temporary one considering the ideas that are/were born in Dubai-keep aside the oil and gas revenues.
I loves dates that come from Dubai too.
At any measure it is unwarranted that Dubai is exposed at this level by players and the media.
Thank you, |
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| Shareef Moideen, Mangalore/ Jeddah, Saudi Arabia |
Nov 28, 2009 |
| RAJ, did any terror incident happen in UAE? It is ruled by Muslim rulers, if they believed in terrorism you could have not lived in peace and serenity in UAE. The Muslim world condemned the 9/11 attacks unanimously and the call from Mufti is in a gathering of more than 2.5 million pilgrims all over the world, to reiterate the teachings of Islam to the pilgrims and all over the world because there are people like you spread across the world just living in hatred and blind beliefs. |
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| Nelson Lewis, Bahrain |
Nov 28, 2009 |
Jayalaxmi:
Well, you have missed a name of another police officer, who was the DGP of the State, namely Arvind Inamdar. At an IPS Conference, when all senior officers spoke about revising IPS packages and benefits, he was the only one who spoke on behalf of Inspectors and lower ranks and improving their lot. Further, he was tough police officer, though a low profile figure.
He was transferred 42 times in his 40 years career. This clearly shows, he was a pain-in-the-neck for politicians and his superiors. However, Chhagan Bhujbal is the man who messed up the Bombay police force and these are the politicians Indians want.
A good civil servant is one, who is liked by the public and his colleagues and subordinates. A bad civil servant is one, who is liked by the politicians, because they are unprofessional, compromise themselves and are ready to do dirty work and enable their politicial masters to enrich themselves.
What happened in Bombay was the police's total incompetence. Why have the Government and officials not listened to the queries of Kavita Karkare and Vinita Kamte and tried to solve them? Where has Hemant Karkare's jacket gone? This clearly shows the politicians and police nexus, because this jacket would have proved that it was substandard and brought many other shortcomings to the fore, which would have been embarrassment for politicians and senior police officers and nailed them.
I am very happy that Vinita Kamte has written a book - a biography on her husband - and I would like to get my hands on it. The only book that I have read that was written by a top cop is the "Stalker Affair" by John Stalker, the ex-Deputy Chief Constable of the Manchester Police, who was a highly honest, upright and no-nonsense police officer, who wanted to expose many people in the cold-blooded murder of eight to nine Irishmen, purported to be terrorists, when in fact they were not.
He was suspended and a trial was initiated and since the case did not stand, he was acquitted with honour. Some British politicians and senior police officers, including the ex-Chief of Manchester Police were involved in the hush up.
After reading his book, I was amazed that most British public servants are members of the Free Mason, in order to ensure career advancements.
Another book I would like to read is "Fighting bullet with bullet" by J.F. Ribeiro. |
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| Ibrahim Hussain, India |
Nov 28, 2009 |
It is really interesting that Chief Minister Yeddyurappa has without hesitation has defended Reddy brothers.
Shridhar Acharyare,Namaskara Swami.
Sorry to say Yeddi is suffering from severe "KURCHI ROGA". It is being diognosed by Dr.Sushma Swaraj, MPRS and under the intense care of Core Committee of junior Doctors in BJP state hospital. |
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| Ashok S, UAE |
Nov 28, 2009 |
And Kiran,
Please, please, please, read the contents on the link below.
http://www.viksit.com/node/9
What is the use of getting education, going to USA, and then telling people back in India how bad is Congress party, if you cannot discern between a simple truth and simple lie?
Time to forget about the lying BJP, and switch allegiance to the utterly useless Congress? |
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| Ibrahim Hussain, India |
Nov 28, 2009 |
but I assume they must have good reason to quote those figures.
Kiran,
Whatever media writes cannot be " Veda Vakya". Have you tried for its authencity or accuracy? |
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| Ashok S, UAE |
Nov 28, 2009 |
Dear Kiran,
Some political smart-alec, trying to finish off the Congress party, created the myth of 1,456 billion dollars. Most likely it was Advani or Mahajan.
As is normal with Indian newspapers, the myths are easily replicated. Who has the time to cross-check the facts?
Believe me, there is not an ounce of truth in the 1,456 billion dollars story.
The Swiss Banking Association DOES NOT publish such information as to how much money has been deposited by individuals from which country. Repeat, it DOES NOT publish information on the assets of its members.
For your reference, there are two annual reports of the Swiss Banking Association below.
http://www.swissbanking.org/en/d_jb_06-07.pdf
http://www.swissbanking.org/en/d_jb_05-06.pdf
Can you tell me which particular report you are referring to where India's deposit status has been published? |
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| Kiran, USA |
Nov 28, 2009 |
Why do people have a hard time believing the corruption of the Congress?
The original figure comes from Swiss Banking Association report.
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/Markets/Analysis/Money_lying_in_Swiss_banks_may_hit_markets_via_P-notes/rssarticleshow/3580223.cms
1,456 billion dollars!!! 70 lakh crores! Imagine what India can do with that money. The basic rule of Indian politics - Never catch the big fish. If the big fish grow fatter they will leave a lot of left overs for all politicians. The Reddys will feed both BJP and Congress. Live and let live. Share the loot. |
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| N.S.Shenoy, India |
Nov 27, 2009 |
"I have a car that is capable of a maximum top speed of 240 Kilometers an Hour.."-Naveen, Mangalore
Happy to note that your car still survives after several years of Kuwait war! Is it petrol run or diesel? Just wait for few more months and then just go at flying speed to Udupi from Mangalore.
All the best. |
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| Ashok S, UAE |
Nov 27, 2009 |
"1,456 billion dollars in Swiss banks" - Kiran.
If Swiss banks are not letting an examination of the accounts, and have not said a word about how much is deposited by Indians there, how did we come to this figure?
Is it just another ploy by the politicians to hoodwink ordinary people who do not earn Rs 500 a month?
Any real sources Kiran?
On a separate matter, with the situation being what it is in Dubai right now, only fools will book tickets with Emirates airlines! |
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| Shen, India |
Nov 27, 2009 |
Tiger Woods is seriously injured after his SUV hit a fire hydrant and a tree. Further details are awaited.
PS: I hope the doctors will come out and announce that he is out of woods now. |
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| Shen, India |
Nov 27, 2009 |
May I ask ours truly to take position at silly point/short leg or short extra cover? -Nagendra maam
How about long leg or fine leg? Even long on will be OK.
PS: I have stopped fielding in the gully long ago.[To the tune of teri galiyon mein na rahenge sanam. Aaj ke baad]
PPS: Third man boundary is also a bit boring. Tired of signing autographs on photographs. |
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| Shen, India |
Nov 27, 2009 |
Follow-up cases have been subdued because of the money power of the rich who reside in CASA GRANDE. -T J
This is a serious matter. I hope the legal authorities will look into this and get the poor children a good life. Do people adopt children now a days? I know Americans go to some South American and Central American countries and adopt poor children.U S A for India perhaps?
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| Shen, India |
Nov 27, 2009 |
I have a personal message to convey to them, which probably may cheer them up.
-Nelson Lewis
Let me guess. A free ticket to the movie 'Kazaar' at the Multiplex cinema. Or a treat at Guttu specialities.
PS: I don't think it is a job offer at Bahrain.I will let Nagendra maam take it.No. I am not looking at UAE also. |
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| Shen, India |
Nov 27, 2009 |
However, they would like to build massive edifices, etc.
I wonder for what?-Nelson maam
Kharch karne ke liye my friend. Kharch kharne ke liye.Let them spend money. How else will our people get jobs? Arabs are well known for their lavish life styles.They visit Mumbai just to watch the rains. [Vallah Vallah, Masha Allah!]It is translated as wet wet Oh God. |
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| Shen, India |
Nov 27, 2009 |
understanding reached between Mr. Yeddyurappa and the Reddy brothers is, "You scratch my back, I scratch yours." -Nelson maam
Looks like he is scratching more than the back and he is doing more than scratching. |
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| Kiran, USA |
Nov 27, 2009 |
Ibrahim Hussain,
That is not my quote, but from India Today from 2003. I do not know how they got their figures, but I assume they must have good reason to quote those figures. |
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| Nelson Lewis, Bahrain |
Nov 27, 2009 |
I have always maintained that the economies of the countries in this part of the world are based on petrol.
However, they would like to build massive edifices, etc.
I wonder for what? |
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| Nelson Lewis, Bahrain |
Nov 27, 2009 |
Well, the understanding reached between Mr. Yeddyurappa and the Reddy brothers is, "You scratch my back, I scratch yours." It is as simple as that.
All these are a bunch of scoundrels and may have read Jeffrey Archer's novel, "Honour Amongst Thieves."
They need kicks up their backsdies. |
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| Nelson Lewis, Bahrain |
Nov 27, 2009 |
Mr. Shen,
Lawyers are a bunch of liars. You say that he is a "maha chor". I would say, "suit minus boot, there is something loot".
Anyway, the guy needs to be given a lawyer to defend him and a fair trial.
Well, let us wait and see what happens. Law will take its own course.
Regards,
Nelson |
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| Denis, India |
Nov 27, 2009 |
Dear Edmond,
Well Said.
Denis Susigaran |
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| susigaran, India |
Nov 27, 2009 |
Dear Edmond,
Its Really nice. Keep up the good Work.
Best Wishes
Denis Susigaran
susiagaran@yahoo.com |
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| Roshan Pais, India |
Nov 27, 2009 |
Judith L - I do not know if you are familiar with our Monsoon in coastal region.
Assuming that you are:
After Aati Amavase, gradually the intensity of the rains go down. During this time one can hear the familiar insects- aka crickets- making that familiar chirping sound.
For a science student - there may be explanation as to why the crickets go into a frenzy of activity and compare them to Frogs during the mating season in the fields of our region.
But to a small child - they can be used as a form of lessen by the parent.
Do you know why the first one cries and the other join and then rest to reach the crescendo? - goes the question.
It is because the rain has stopped and the crickets think that by singing they can get the rain back so they join the singing to demand the rain back. But does the rain come back because of them? no ! Do crickets have any impact on the rain? no.
Moral of the story:
Ignore the crickets. They come and go every rainy season. One can even start missing them when one is away from home and long for their all familiar sound.
PS: Did you read that news story about Frog marriage conducted in UDIPI last year?
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| Nelson Lewis, Bahrain |
Nov 27, 2009 |
Dear Shenoy Clan,
I would like all the members of the Shenoy clan, i.e. Shen, Kudpi Shenoy, Nagendra Shenoy and other Shenoys to get in touch with me on email, viz. nelsonedwardlewis@gmail.com.
I have a personal message to convey to them, which probably may cheer them up.
Your immediate response is highly appreciated.
Regards,
Nelson Lewis |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Nov 27, 2009 |
Nagendra maam is waiting with his hands together. At the second slip, yours truly - Shenoy
Shenoy Maam,
If Nelson is bowling like Ajantha Mendis, then we are safe with one slip. May I ask ours truly to take position at silly point/short leg or short extra cover? A lot of chatting happens in the slip cordon and I am in no mood to listen ARABIAN NIGHTS and Seeta aur Geeta (aur even Lata) :-))
Who is there at short fine leg? Anyways, even the worst fielder can be placed there. Alfred always plays with a straight bat like Aravinda De'Silva. |
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| D.P.Kumar, India |
Nov 27, 2009 |
DUBAI CRISIS
This is the headline today.
What is this due to?
How this may impact NRIs in UAE and their remittances home? |
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| Ibrahim Hussain, India |
Nov 27, 2009 |
I extend warm greetings to one all the Muslim Brothers
Dony Bob,
Thanks and wishing you the same. |
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| Ibrahim Hussain, India |
Nov 27, 2009 |
On the other hand, the Govt. spend a phenomenal amount of Rs 50 crores for madrassas & Rs 10 crores for churches (from the Govt. Funds)"
Kiran,
I think you are wrong. Unlike mujarai department, there is Wakf board to control the Mosques, Dargas, Khangahs and Madrasas. The funds collected by the Mosques( it is 12%), Dargas, Khangahs and Madrasas income are collected by the Wakf Board through the Wakf Committee in district level. This money goes to the Government as such Wakf Board is Government institution controlled comes under Wakf Ministry. So, Mujarai Department's fund is not utilized for Muslims Institutions that please be noted. Because both are separate Ministries.
Please do not try to misguide the readers if you are not aware of this. |
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| Shen, India |
Nov 27, 2009 |
Hittila Gidha Maddhallaha - is more of a rule than an exception.
-Roshan Pais
Hello Roshan bhai. I wonder you were referring to which one of my posts. In any case, the quote is generally used and more or less has proved effective as I see.
Gidavaagi baggaddu maravaagi baggite is one more quote I have heard.
PS: Above quote does not apply to date trees. |
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| Shen, India |
Nov 27, 2009 |
What about religion? is it a boon or a bane?-Roshan Pais asking the most significant question ever asked on this forum so far.
Congratulations for putting that question so beautifully Roshan maam.
I have my own opinion on this whole concept of religion. That can not be effectively expressed on this forum. However, I may try to write a column and post it some time in future. On the other hand, some one might have already replied expressing their view for this poser anyway. That will definitely set the ball rolling. You may find me fielding at some point then. Once again, I think this will open up the Pandora's box. |
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| Shen, India |
Nov 27, 2009 |
People are watching you. Stop telling lies’
-Dr Raj Hegde
It is better to tell him 'sullu pini panochi'. That will be more effective.
Alternatively one may say 'yaavuyay erena bundal'. One of our district MLA's can translate without losing the essence. |
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| Naven, Mangalore, India |
Nov 27, 2009 |
In India please do not relate time to distance, I have a car that is capable of a maximum top speed of 240 Kilometers an Hour, while it takes me 1 Hour to travel 12 Kms. from my home to my office. That boils down to 12 Kms/Hr. in a car that is capable of 240 Kms/Hr. that too, after having paid a lifetime road tax of over two lakh rupees.
The delay on the roads are a combination of negligence, from various departments like traffic police, Highways department, bribe to be doled out to local revenue authorities, bribe to the traffic police department by the local bus operators.
Our politicians interest's are centered on sanctioning various projects, which will yield returns in terms of Kickbacks, thereafter God alone save us..
Our traffic department has commissioned a speed limit camera on this road, @cost of about Rs. 45 Lakh's, what a joke..recently a friend of mine was charged a fine of Rs. 300.00 for driving @45 Kms/Hr (Speed limit they say 40 Km/Hr.)on a small stretch of road (about half a Km)on which he was trying to make up for lost time in a traffic jam... India is a JOKE man..live with it..or become a politician.. |
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| Placid Gregory, Mangalore, India |
Nov 27, 2009 |
When this country will improve - Percy Pinto.
Well Mr Pinto, our country will not improve unless we disapprove. Whenever you find defficiency in service by the corporation or government and you are not satisfied, don't take it lying down, form an association of aggrieved people, file court cases or PIL against them in each and every case of grievance and demand compensation. When compensation in millions are claimed the officials concerned will wake up and take prompt action. I am sure many of our readers will join. Include me also. God Bless you. |
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| Judith L, India |
Nov 27, 2009 |
I have said in the past that foreign aid did pour into conversion activities. - kiran, usa
still contradicting your statements |
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| D.P.Kumar, India |
Nov 26, 2009 |
"When I travel from Trivandrum airport to my home, 60 miles will take 3 hours, whereas in the U.S., it will take one hour to travel that distance."- A.S.Mathew, USA
How many kilo meters do 60 miles make?
May be 96 k.ms.
The Kerala Highway is not as bad as the Highway from Mangalore to Kundapur. As regarding interior roads, it takes less than 3 hours from Bajpe to Dharmastala It is because of single road full of curves on hilly tracts. Now it takes almost 3 hours to reach Maravanthe from Bajpe which is in similar distance. It is because of the Highway condition.
Next, year probably, we may not require, half the time, we spend today.
By car it is a mere 75 minute journey to Kollam with time for Trivandrum city trafic blockades covered. To Varkala it is merely an hour. You have train service towards Kottayam and also towards Alappuzha.
If you are traveling towards Kanyakumari side also it may need around 2 hours only.
May be your home is in some remote village! |
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| Roshan Pais, India |
Nov 26, 2009 |
What does it mean? Does your happiness depend on other's demise, one neeeds to ask these fanatics. - Opines Shen about religion referring to the " infidels".
Mosquitoes spread diseases - hence are the major causes of death in human history.
What about religion? is it a boon or a bane? |
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| Roshan Pais, India |
Nov 26, 2009 |
Hittila Gidha Maddhallaha - is more of a rule than an exception.
Mangalorean.com - has given the platform to make it a exception than a rule! |
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| Guru, India |
Nov 26, 2009 |
"Those who take an early lead do not necessarily win the marathon."- Nagendra Shenoy on this competitive world.
May be in other words "A good beginning has a tragic end" !! |
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| Shen, India |
Nov 26, 2009 |
submissions must be concise, addressed to a broad audience, and written in good, idiomatic English. Click here to Express Your Thoughts.
Oh! I thought Alfred Maam followed the instructions. |
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| Shen, India |
Nov 26, 2009 |
When I travel from Trivandrum airport to my home, 60 miles will take 3 hours, whereas in the U.S., it will take one hour to travel that distance- A S Mathew
You must be taking Ambassador Mark II taxi perhaps. People take BMW and Benz in the USA. Not to mention the Lincoln. |
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| Shen, India |
Nov 26, 2009 |
Is it the mangalorean or Indian attitude to underestimate the success of a fellow countrymen/women?
-Puttur Dinesh sounding real serious
It is human attitude P D.You will find it in all contries, all races, all classes, all cultures,irrespective of gender, caste and creed. |
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| Shen, India |
Nov 26, 2009 |
Alfredbhai, do you know what I am trying to imply.-Nelson maam bowling like Ajanta Mendis
Alfred maam, 'ijjat' is at 'stake'. It is important that you play the delivery with tact. Don't drag it into the stumps as you normally do. Watch the slip cordon. At first slip, Nagendra maam is waiting with his hands together. At the second slip, yours truly, at the third slip, well no one there. Wait, It is Chris at backward point. |
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| Shen, India |
Nov 26, 2009 |
It is true that most youngsters are a fan of Chanda not only for her achievement in the men's world but also because she is 'chanda'.-Nagendra maam
Have you seen the movie 'The summer of 42' Nagendra maam? If not, I recommend it strongly for you. |
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| Shen, India |
Nov 26, 2009 |
A massive construction of a better highway system, two lanes in each direction can save millions of gallons of fuel, precious time, tear and wear for the automobiles; and when we take the total cost in monetary terms; it will be billions of Rs saved/year.
-A S Mathew
Mr Atal Behari Vajpayee had that idea. Remember him? Golden quadrilateral as it was called, it was suppossed to connect each end of India to the diametrically opposite end. It is another matter the 'Reddys' of this country would have destroyed those roads as well. |
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| Shareef Moideen, Mangalore/ Jeddah, Saudi Arabia |
Nov 26, 2009 |
| Thanks for the Eid Greetings!!! |
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| Nelson Lewis, Bahrain |
Nov 26, 2009 |
My Dear Muslim brethren,
In the Arabian Gulf, I presume that tomorrow will be Eid, but in India it could be day-after-tomorrow.
Nevertheless, I take this opportunity to wish each and every one of you a Very Happy Eid. Please accept my hearty greetings.
May Eid usher in peace of mind, sense of fulfilment and success in all your endeavours.
With best wishes,
Nelson Lewis |
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| Nelson Lewis, Bahrain |
Nov 26, 2009 |
Mr. Ostin Pinto,
In the Indian Defence Forces you are not taught to have a blinkered outlook. You do not think in terms of Mangalorean, Malayali, Punjabi, Jat, Dogra or whatever community or ethnic group you think of. They are all comrade-in-arms and have a sense of espirit de corps. Further, they have loyalty to their battalions and regiments.
Major Sandeep Unnikrishnan sacrified his life for the country (and not just for for Mangalore or Kerala) by leading his men. For me, he is an Indian, a hero and a martyr and if anything is done for him and others who were killed, wounded or maimed while fighting the terrorists on 26/11/2008, I would not complain. Probably, you may have some grouse because he does not speak Kannada, which could be true or not. However, do not think in those terms, which would be demeaning to the departed soul.
If people who have been over-the-hill and some small timers can be given awards and purses just like confetti, without having to barter their lives or really sweat, then why not Major Unnikrishnan, ATS Chief Hemant Karkare, Encounter Specialist, Vijay Salaskar and many others? |
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| Kudpi Rajanikanth Shenoy, India |
Nov 26, 2009 |
I admire and salute achievers and not those who have just tasted a teaspoon of success, even if they happen to hail from my hometown.
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That's good for a start Nagendra, but how will you stop anyone making money and having power buy the media and become more and more popular?
This is a guideline for you when you graduate as MBA some day now!
That also is an investment after all...investing in media run by king pins like Karan, Prannoy, Rajdeep,, Barkha et al! |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Nov 26, 2009 |
Is it the mangalorean or Indian attitude to underestimate the success of a fellow countrymen/women? - Puttur Dinesh
Puttur Dinesh Maam,
You can judge it yourself since you are as much a Mangalorean and an Indian as I am.
I admire and salute achievers and not those who have just tasted a teaspoon of success, even if they happen to hail from my hometown. This is a highly competitive world and the race is like that of a marathon. Those who take an early lead do not necessarily win the marathon. For them I only have best wishes to come out as winner and not remain as an 'Aarambha shoora'. |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Nov 26, 2009 |
Recently I had the opportunity to watch Nick Gowing interviewing some of our successful women enterpreuners including Indra Nooyi and Cahndra Kochar - Shenoy
CHANDA Kochhar rather, Shenoy Maam. Both she and Indra Nooyi aren't enrepreneurs but 'intrapreneurs', as the terminology is getting more popular. Kochhar is still in her first company.
It is true that most youngsters are a fan of Chanda not only for her achievement in the men's world but also because she is 'chanda'. |
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| Kiran, USA |
Nov 26, 2009 |
all this while u were saying the church was being funded by foreign aid and now u r saying the Indian Govt. is funding. Why r u contradicting ur own statements. don't just comment becos u have 2. -- Judith L
I never said that the churches were being funded by foreign aid. Those are your words. I have said in the past that foreign aid did pour into conversion activities. I am sure that you understand the difference between the two. See the article I referenced in my last post (http://www.rediff.com/news/2004/mar/10rajiv1.htm) There are people who involve in conversion activities and then there are people who are sympathetic to conversion activities and there are people who are indifferent to it and finally there are people who oppose such activities and prefer peaceful co-existence (irrespective of which religion they belong to). They are not all the same. It is an important distinction in these times. I have great respect for all religions and their followers, even though I speak against seemingly harmless activities that create religious rifts and conflicts. It is my sincere wish that all religions got along with each other like idly and sambhar or sajjige and bhajil. |
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| M.Hussain, Qatar |
Nov 26, 2009 |
Dony lobo, Qatar
Thanks for your eid greetings. |
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| Nelson Lewis, Bahrain |
Nov 26, 2009 |
one can start even a Beef Stakes restaurant. -A R
Prestige is at 'stake' here Alfie maam. - Mr. Shen.
Mr. Alfred J. Rebello: I love to have beef steak, but I have to forego it.
Mr. Shen: Because by seating beef steak, by health is at a stake.
Alfredbhai, do you know what I am trying to imply. |
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| Nelson Lewis, Bahrain |
Nov 26, 2009 |
You are right. Many do not know what you are saying, including me. One needs wisdom to know what I am saying -Mr. Alfred J. Rebello.
You are perfectly right. People do not know what you are trying to say. How sad?
You are just a special and a different breed and a league above us. Many readers and writers, including myself, are not able to read you.
Keep up the good work and let the show go on.
Jai Ho, Alfredbhai. |
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| Puttur Dinesh, USA |
Nov 26, 2009 |
Is it the mangalorean or Indian attitude to underestimate the success of a fellow countrymen/women?
I think we need to give teh credit where it is due and also not expect the downfall. |
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| DONY LOBO & FAMILY, DOHA, Qatar |
Nov 26, 2009 |
| On behalf of my family, I extend warm greetings to one all the Muslim Brothers and sisters in this forum (especially Mr. Syed Abdul Hai, Mr. Fareed, Mr. Iqbal Manna, Mr. M. Hussain..Qatar, Shareef Moideen and Mr. Ibrahim Hussain and others) and their families a Very Very Happy Bakhrid and we hope and pray that the holy sacrifice of the lamb which this great day signifies will be accepted by the Good Lord, the Creator and the Most Merciful one from above and may He in turn bless mankind with everlasting peace, love and happiness….including those who may have deviated into wrongful paths of hatred and violence. |
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| Shareef Moideen, Mangalore/ Jeddah, Saudi Arabia |
Nov 26, 2009 |
Macario, Philippines,
What about New People's Army (NPA) the NPA's founder, Jose Maria Sison does he has anything with the Christianity? The NPA claimed responsibility for assassinating a mayor, attacking a police station and killing the police chief, and blowing up a mobile telecommunications transmission station and they political coup by some army officers. Don’t you think that anyone cannot blame a religion for the some wrongdoings of individual? |
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| Shareef Moideen/ Mangalore, Jeddah, Saudi Arabia |
Nov 26, 2009 |
Alfred,
Islam the misunderstood religion by All even Muslims, today the terrorists have misunderstood the word Jihad (The actual meaning is constant struggle to preserve one's faith and defend the rights to freedom of worship) and Jihad dosent meet to kill someone.
I mean all the good people irrespective which faith we follow to eradicate this cancer. Otherwise religion will be blamed rather an individual – Alfred,
I agree with you but religion is already blamed rather than indivudul and already Islam has been blamed because of these terrorists. |
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| Judith L, India |
Nov 26, 2009 |
Gopinath,
U mean to say no political party should work for the betterment of common man, which can convert theories into fact and change the scenario. |
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| Shen, India |
Nov 26, 2009 |
one can start even a Beef Stakes restaurant. -A R
Prestige is at 'stake' here Alfie maam. |
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| Shen, India |
Nov 26, 2009 |
BTW, not many (rather none I can say) newspapers or websites have carried Fried Pinto's name in the invitee list.-NAGENDRA MAAM
The front gate of the white house was crashed. Have you not seen the photos? |
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| Shen, India |
Nov 26, 2009 |
One needs wisdom to know what I am saying.-A R
Siva, adda bidde buddi. Kshamsi. Teppaytu. Inn munde ingella aadolla. OK Mama. Tata. |
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| Judith L, India |
Nov 26, 2009 |
Kiran USA,
all this while u were saying the church was being funded by foreign aid and now u r saying the Indian Govt. is funding. Why r u contradicting ur own statements. don't just comment becos u have 2. |
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| Judith L, India |
Nov 26, 2009 |
He is an Indian and a Martyr, who has sacrificed his life for saving others.
The terror of 26/11 for a change has shook even the rich class people, who thought they are for always safe and it is common man who is at much danger. IT IS A REALISATION FOR THE RICH PEOPLE THAT THEY TOO CAN BE STRUCK BY TERROR. |
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| Alfred J. Rebello, Dubai,, UAE |
Nov 26, 2009 |
Source: Islam the misunderstood religion by Muhammad Qutub.
By who and why? Yes, I do agree Terrorism has no religion but why terrorists use Islam as weapon. Why so many suicide attacks even on Muslims? Why these terrorists are not allowing even Muslims live in peace.
Therefore, it is our, I mean all the good people irrespective which faith we follow to eradicate this cancer. Otherwise religion will be blamed rather an individual. |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Nov 26, 2009 |
"Aap ka Swaagat hai" would've been more appropriate. What say Shen maam? -KRS.
KRS,
Or a simple BOWquet of 'Olive' would also have done :-)
BTW, not many (rather none I can say) newspapers or websites have carried Fried Pinto's name in the invitee list. I guess The Hindu or TOI website mentioned about 'Entertainers' being hired. |
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| Alfred J. Rebello, Dubai,, UAE |
Nov 26, 2009 |
Father, forgive them for they know not what they are saying. - Shen, India.
You are right. Many do not know what I am saying, including you. One needs wisdom to know what I am saying. |
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| Alfred J. Rebello, Dubai,, UAE |
Nov 26, 2009 |
How about building a Tandoori chicken joint there? - Shen, India.
No Problem as long as it serves the purpose. Perhaps you should start yourself the Tandori Chicken. But why only Tandoori Chicken, one can start even a Beef Stakes restaurant. For me, as long as there is no commotion, in the name of religion, I have no problem. |
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| Shareef Moideen, Mangalore/ Jeddah, Saudi Arabia |
Nov 26, 2009 |
N.S Shenoy,
Entered upon means went to her for talks and not the double meaning that you have in your mind and please read the verse Surah An-nissa in Quran, you will find the answer for your question.
Islam prohibits adultery!!! |
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| Kiran, USA |
Nov 26, 2009 |
The U.S., Canada, Australia etc have the Christian majority, but they will never make any religious connotation to create an impression that they are theocracies.- A.S.Mathew
Some people on EYT have opined that USA has a clear separation of church and state. Yes and No. It depends.
Unless we have a real short memory, we just completed 8 years of George Bush presidency where there was a major push for faith based initiatives including within major departments like within the departments of Justice, Housing and Urban Development, Health and Human Services, Labor and Education. In a first executive order, Bush created the White House Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives.
Here is how it affected India. http://www.rediff.com/news/2004/mar/10rajiv1.htm
The US Government pumped tax payer money into the majority religious organizations (not to temples or synagogues) whereas in India the Government takes money from the temples (the majority religion of the country) and the smaller temples remain penniless.
Here is an excerpt from India Today in 2003 about the plight of temples in Karnataka "There are as many as 2,07,000 temples in Karnataka & the total income of these temples amounts to 72 crores. Out of this, only a sum of 6 crores are being spent by the Government for their upkeep. On the other hand, the Govt. spend a phenomenal amount of Rs 50 crores for madrassas & Rs 10 crores for churches (from the Govt. Funds)"
The point is that the separation of church and state is not as clear as black and white or as night and day. |
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| Dr Raj Hegde, Australia |
Nov 26, 2009 |
Australia may be slightly different. Is'nt there something strong about Christianity?
N S Shenoy
As far as I know the percentage people attending church in Australia is pretty small. Most of them do not care about the religion. For the Sunday prayers mostly few elderly people attend the church. Due to the lack of funds for the maintenance, quite few very old churches have been converted into Restaurants or as some commercial establishments.
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| John Crasta, India |
Nov 26, 2009 |
Sir,
Very often non Christians get puzzled when we place emphasis on Jesus and some get angry when we say that Jesus is the only savior. This below article titled “ Does God not suffice” by Mr. Stuart attempts answer those issues
Does not God Suffice?
Does not God suffice? Old Testament gives us various examples of forgiveness by God. Why do we need Jesus if God forgives ?
Why then Jesus is not forgotten just like all good people are forgotten? There are two reasons for that.
1) The bible tell us how God will send his son Jesus Christ to Judge the living and the dead at the end of times and in this context we understand why Jesus said “I am the way, the life and the truth and nobody can go to the Father except by me” (Jn 14:6)because he is the one who will come to judge at the end of times.
2) Even more compelling reason is the very nature of the Son which was revealed in St. John(1:1-5), St. Paul’s letter to the Colossians(1:17-19) and Hebrews 1:3which is as follows.
“He is the exact likeness of God. Every thing was created through him. Nothing came in to existence without him and everything was to be in proper place in union with him(for he guides and leads). This is how it was at the time of creation and this is what is waiting to happen before the end of times but on our own free will. It is in this context I understand what Jesus said “It is the will of my Father that you should believe in me so that I shall raise you up from the dead on the last day.” Jn 6:35-40
Whatever we receive is from Jesus or from God through his son. This Jesus elaborated when he said “My Father is the Gardener, I am the vine and you are the branches (Jn 15;4-5) and this what he meant when he told the apostles you are nothing without me. Right from the beginning of the creation whatever God did was through his son for everything was created through his son. If God spoke to Abraham or Moses it was through his son. It is in this context I understand why Jesus said “Before Abraham I am” Jn 8:58 , “You will be living in sin if you do not believe I am who I am.(Jn 8:24). How is it possible for God to speak through his son Jesus Christ? This Jesus explained when he said “I and the Father are one” Jn 10:30,17:11.
Well, to give a crude example. It is like mixing 2 portions of water A & B and being able to separate them back in to the same A and B portions of water.
3) God is a spirit (Jn 4 :24),immeasurable, unquantifiable and unseen. We are called upon to see the unseen God through his son Jesus Christ who is seen and is the very likeness of God .This is what Jesus implied when he said “If you have seen me , you have seen the one who sent me”( Jn 14:9-10,Jn 12:45)
What to do if one has doubts about Jesus?
There is a way to find the truth. It is as follows.
Since we all believe in one God and all scriptures see God as spirit, we should try to clear all our doubts by asking God himself. So one should pray to God like this (Suggested prayer).
“Almighty Spirit, Creator of Heaven and Earth and all things seen and
unseen. Please reveal yourself to me” and be guided accordingly. |
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| N.S.Shenoy, India |
Nov 25, 2009 |
"he Jauniyya (a lady from Bani Jaun) had been brought and lodged in a house in a date-palm garden in the home of Umaima bint An-Nu'man bin Sharahil, and her wet nurse was with her. When the Prophet entered upon her,.."
Shareef, the above is from your own quote.
What does "entered upon" her mean?
Immoral act.
Do you find even slightest respect to a WOMAN? Just entering as he pleases?
Then throwing 2 pieces of linen? |
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| N.S.Shenoy, India |
Nov 25, 2009 |
""Aap ka Swaagat hai"
Pronounciation: Off Kha shvaagat Hoi
btw, did the whole lot go just for a dinner?
Is it by CATTLE CLASS? |
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| N.S.Shenoy, India |
Nov 25, 2009 |
The U.S., Canada, Australia etc have the Christian majority, but they will never make any religious connotation to create an impression that they are theocracies.- A.S.Mathew
Are they secular? The US dollar bill declares otherwise!
Australia may be slightly different. Is'nt there something strong about Christianity? |
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| Shen, India |
Nov 25, 2009 |
but they will never make any religious connotation -A S Mathew
Action can speak louder at times. |
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| Shen, India |
Nov 25, 2009 |
It takes a huge amount of fresh water to keep Golf course green.-O R Pai
Reddy brothers are planning on desalination plant as well. Who knows? Some thing good may come out of the evil just by chance. |
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| Shen, India |
Nov 25, 2009 |
" MAKE HAY WHEN THE SUNSHINES"
-Roshan Pais
They tried. Now they have hay fever and sun stroke, a rare combination. |
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| Shen, India |
Nov 25, 2009 |
"Aap ka Swaagat hai" would've been more appropriate. What say Shen maam?
-Mr Kudpi
Some illiterate N R I must have typed it in a hurry and passed it on as urgent message concealed under a cup of nimboo paani.
PS:Recently I had the opportunity to watch Nick Gowing interviewing some of our successful women enterpreuners including Indra Nooyi and Cahndra Kochar. Dr Vijay Mallya was in the audience and he had some remarks to make. MS Nooyi was giving some patronising giggle at some thing he said.
PS: I did not hear what Dr Mallya said. I wonder if he referred to the King Fisher calender by any chance.
PPS: It is not true that he offered modelling job to Nooyi or Kochar.:) |
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| Shen, India |
Nov 25, 2009 |
Make this particular place as a tourist place building all the religious places in circle of 1 or 2 km away from the disputed point. All the religious places should be 1 km away from the other. And the centre place should be a garden. -A R
How about building a Tandoori chicken joint there? |
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| Shen, India |
Nov 25, 2009 |
Sometime ago I read an article many children die because of non-availability of nutrition and I am happy for them, otherwise they suffer more. It is better to die once rather living and dying everyday.-A R
Father, forgive them for they know not what they are saying. |
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| Shen, India |
Nov 25, 2009 |
In fact, she is a political flunkey chosen by politicians, who wanted a "haan jee".
-Nelson Lewis
It is flunkey town, it is flunkey town. |
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| Shen, India |
Nov 25, 2009 |
Either your English or your Hindi/Kannada is bad:-)
Nagendra maam outside the off stump bowling full length to unsuspecting Alfie maam.
Try it this way. Look at the positives and mention them. |
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| Shen, India |
Nov 25, 2009 |
Don't worry about the Police (Sentencing the convicts) They will never come.-NAGENDRA MAAM
Koyi hilega nahin. Bahar police hai.
Toh police nahin aayi hai?
Nahin hai toh ab ayegi
Tan tan tan tan.....The end. |
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| Shen, India |
Nov 25, 2009 |
Let us all pray for health, happiness, peace and prosperity.-I H
ID MUBARAK. |
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| Shen, India |
Nov 25, 2009 |
Indian voters' mind is a mystery like Indian women's. Nobody has studied it so far. Not even Shenoy I bet. But everybody claims that they know best!
-Nagendra maam
I see that you have been judgemental; perhaps seeing some difficult curves I had to negotiate recently Nagendra maam.:)
PS: Don't try to study women. Just love them, unconditionally. |
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| Shen, India |
Nov 25, 2009 |
if not the appendage will be in risk.-Ramesh Bahrain
How is it in Bahrain? |
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| Shareef Moideen, Mangalore/ Jeddah, Saudi Arabia |
Nov 25, 2009 |
Ramesh,
Please don’t compare Ali Sina with Dr. Zakir Naik, Dr. Zakir quotes from Holy Quran, Authentic Hadiths, Holy Bible, Holy Gita and Authenic vedas, but Ali is a liar and quote everything that he creates for instance in a recent Frontpagemag.com symposium, Ali Sina made the following allegation against The Prophet Muhammed (PBUH)
“Another cuter story is when Muhammad raises his hand to beat a woman who rejects his advances. Bukhari 7.63.182”
The actual quote in Volume 7, Book 63, Number 182 is :
Narrated Abu Usaid:
We went out with the Prophet to a garden called Ash-Shaut till we reached two walls between which we sat down. The Prophet said, "Sit here," and went in (the garden). The Jauniyya (a lady from Bani Jaun) had been brought and lodged in a house in a date-palm garden in the home of Umaima bint An-Nu'man bin Sharahil, and her wet nurse was with her. When the Prophet entered upon her, he said to her, "Give me yourself (in marriage) as a gift." She said, "Can a princess give herself in marriage to an ordinary man?" The Prophet raised his hand to pat her so that she might become tranquil. She said, "I seek refuge with Allah from you." He said, "You have sought refuge with One Who gives refuge. Then the Prophet came out to us and said, "O Abu Usaid! Give her two white linen dresses to wear and let her go back to her family." Narrated Sahl and Abu Usaid: The Prophet married Umaima bint Sharahil, and when she was brought to him, he stretched his hand towards her. It seemed that she disliked that, whereupon the Prophet ordered Abu Usaid to prepare her and to provide her with two white linen dresses. (See Hadith No. 541).
Thus, the hadeeth quoted by Ali Sina actually states that the Prophet (PBUH) stretched out his hand to CALM the woman down, NOT to beat her as Ali Sina falsely stated!!! In addition to that, when the woman snubbed the Prophet (PBUH), Prophet Muhammed (P) returned the rude gesture with kindness, a fine gift of linen dresses.
In conclusion, the internet phantom, Ali Sina has been busted in an outrageous lie again. There is no excuse of this type of uninhibited distortion of the facts.
In fact, Dr. Zakir Naik agreed to have live debate with Ali Sina but Ali Sina refused to do a live debate, stating it is "time consuming, expensive and what can you say in just two hours". |
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| Kudpi Rajanikanth Shenoy, India |
Nov 25, 2009 |
Why stop a shade under Mach-1? If our man Alfred J Rebello would have been there, he wouldn’t have stopped at nothing less than the max allowable speed of Mach-2.34! And with a fortified DP’maam in the cockpit, the sky would have been the limit! :)
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That's a good one Chris!
At least now, after your faster than speed of light post, the entire team hopefully comes back in EYT for a dishum dishum, of course with a different frequency! :D |
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| Puttur Dinesh, USA |
Nov 25, 2009 |
This BBC article clearly mentions my concerns, Raj Flipped out at me but I think it is much better when it comes from an indian security expert.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8373836.stm |
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| Kiran, USA |
Nov 25, 2009 |
| Thanks Ibrahim Hussain, Wish you all the best on the occasion of Bakrid. |
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| Kudpi Rajanikanth Shenoy, India |
Nov 25, 2009 |
EYTians wishing you a Eid Al Adha (Bakrid). Let us all pray for health, happiness, peace and prosperity.
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I reciprocate you the wishes for ID, Ibrahim Hussain Saheb.
May the spirit of ID spread new wave of brotherly feeling among all our EYTian friends.
Keep writing Saheb. We need good debates here from time to time, so that we get to understand each other better! |
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| DONY LOBO, DOHA, Qatar |
Nov 25, 2009 |
Here is how a Chinese lady pronounced Obama's name - …
Bonnie, USA
O-BOW-MA
In the USA next door (Ullal Sankada Aache)
Guess how a mallu teacher would teach the little kids to spell Obama…..
One Ooohwo
Then one Bee
Then one EYYe
Then one Amma
Am I right…???
And our OOrudaklu might say "O Banna" (just kidding) |
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| ramesh, Bahrain |
Nov 25, 2009 |
Dr. Zakir will not be less famous if he didn't had debate with Ali Sina, he had debate with peronalities like Sri Sri Ravi Shankar in India and Dr. William Campbell in USA.
Shareef you know zakir naik is damn scared to debate with MR. ALI SINA that if he loses he will be embarassed in front of his followers. Ali Sina is much scholarly than your fakir naik...he has demolished a greater scholar and islamic advisor of ex president musharaf and pakistan ahmed ghammidi. Mr. Ali Sina has sent thousands of invitations to zakir for debate and there is no response from him. Mr. Ali Sina has converted thousands of potential terrorists and followers of evil idealogy to good humans. These potential terrorists have forsaken their religion of terrorism and have become good humans. If you live with them you too will turn to good human just in few days. |
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| Bonnie, USA |
Nov 25, 2009 |
Here is how a Chinese lady pronounced Obama's name -
O-BOW-MA
I said - Oh my! - How right you are.. |
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| Boniie, USA |
Nov 25, 2009 |
So many comissions were held in the past against Cong I excesses - Shen
Could it because commissions also get commission and the outcome depends on the income. |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Nov 25, 2009 |
I do not understand as to how leaders like Naqvi, Manipady and others still cling to the party inspite of the fact that it is being so openly accused as being behind the Babri Masjid being pulled down - Dony Lobo
Dony Maam,
You are 100% right in your observations but let me make it complete by reminding you that our PM himself is a Sikh, belonging to a community whom the Congress gave a royal treatment after the death of Indira'JEE in 1984. Further, the Congress has also won assembly elections in Punjab post-1984 and they also had a CM who shared the same name as the murderer of Indira'JEE (or who assisted in her 'sacrifice')
Some elections are indeed worth raising eyebrows. Inspite of repeated allegations, Narendra Modi becomes the CM in Gujarat. When the 1996 elections should have been a cakewalk for the Congress, they lost it to the oppposition. Inspite of the 1984 riots, the Congress manages to win Punjab atleast 3-4 times post 1984. The elections for some states which happened within a week after 26/11, Congress wins them though the situation was against them.
Indian voters' mind is a mystery like Indian women's. Nobody has studied it so far. Not even Shenoy I bet. But everybody claims that they know best!
The current situation reminds me of Hindi movies of 70s. Right now BJP is in 'Hands up' position with the revolver in the hands of Congress. Two things can save them. One, a third person comes with another revolver behind Congress' head. Two, BJP smartly clinches the revolver from Congress' hands. Don't worry about the Police (Sentencing the convicts) They will never come. |
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| M.Hussain, Qatar |
Nov 25, 2009 |
Dear Sree, India
Why lone Hindu country Nepal turned into Democratic? |
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| Bonnie, USA |
Nov 25, 2009 |
99% christian institutions are spreading the jesus fundamentalism and christian ideologies through schools
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If it was so, I wonder why there is such a mad rush to get admission into institutions run by Christians. Have you seen lately in the matrimonial columns how they wear it as a badge of honor or in job advertisements demanding the prospective job applicant be one who studied from convent school. This does'nt lend much credence to your imbecile post.
All this aside, would anyone want to study in government run schools when everyone is clamoring to study in english medium schools (I am not against the local language, only reflecting the reality). Education, being a state subject comes under the purview of state goverment and everyone knows - in what medium the state government schools impart the education. If there is some standard maintained in education in India, that is because most of the primary education is in private sector. Change it and the standard will plunge into abyss.
Then again, it is understood that the captious people need some job as well to go on writhing. |
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| Ibrahim Hussain, India |
Nov 25, 2009 |
| Dear Kudpi Mam, Shen Mam, NSS, NS, DPmam, Anand Babu, Kiran, O.Pai Mam, Stanymam, Alfred, to all my brother & sister EYTians wishing you a Eid Al Adha (Bakrid). Let us all pray for health, happiness, peace and prosperity. |
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| Ibrahim Hussain, India |
Nov 25, 2009 |
Soon you may have to call him Haji Janab Ibrahim Hussain Saheb.
Shenoy Mam,
I was busy with my personal matters. Thanks for your concern.
I have performed my Hajj in the year of 1998. It is a gratest event I ever attended in my life time.
I missed your writings for many days.
Thanks for your greetings again and wishing you happy Eid al Adha (Bakrid). |
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| DONY LOBO, Doha, Qatar |
Nov 25, 2009 |
Justice Liberhan Commission Report...a boon for BJP...???
Watching the mayhem that the Justice Liberhan Commission report has created in the Parliament and more important within the BJP and its associates., in my personal opinion., ultimately it could prove to be a blessing to BJP as a party more than anything.
I will not be surprised if leaders like Rajnath Singh, Arun Jaitly, Narender Modi, Vijeyaraje Scindia, Aroune Shourie and even Jaswant Singh and Yashwant Sinha (and may be even our own budding leader Yeddiji) all of whom may be heart of hearts gloating with delight to see the immense discomfort caused to Advani, Murli Manohar Joshi and others … all of whom they may have been wanting to see gracefully exit from the centre stage of the party at the earliest possible given the recent open power struggle within the party.
A younger breed of leaders lead by educated people like Arun Jaitly or Ravi Prasad Singh and Rudy could mean a better BJP emerging out of the present crisis, and will be good for the country and for the parliamentary democracy. Even a reformed and matured Narendra Modi could be good ultimately for the country.
I do not understand as to how leaders like Naqvi, Manipady and others still cling to the party inspite of the fact that it is being so openly accused as being behind the Babri Masjid being pulled down. Or are they also part of the conspiracy? |
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| DONY LOBO & FAMILY, DOHA, Qatar |
Nov 25, 2009 |
CONGRATULATIONS dear Nigel…..having known you since you were small, having seen you grow up as a very respectable young man, having seen you as a great budding musician and singer (including your helping us in the Adults choir of Doha as a guitarist) and also your compering many a shows and huge gatherings with absolute ease with full command of the language and full of humour and most important of all your nature in respecting older people, and the ease with which you participated in the Derek Obrein’s Bourne Vita Quiz……bearing all these things in mind I really feel happy to Congratulate you and your parents for this great achievement.
I am sure everybody else who knows you will also be proud of you except perhaps some medical shop owners who may be nervous because as you will soon become a Doctor., just with a word or two….filled with natural good humour I am sure you will be able to cure all kinds of patients without the need of any medicines…!!!
Wont be surprised if you ultimately become the male version of Mother Teresa of the 21st Century….. Nigel…..All the best in life….!!!! |
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| DONY LOBO, Doha, Qatar |
Nov 25, 2009 |
“but u tell one thing. why ur so fond of frieda? she reminds u of someone?”... Latha Rai, UAE to Puttur Dinesh, USA
Perhaps “Pati, Patni or Who syndrome”……..just kidding |
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| ramesh, Bahrain |
Nov 25, 2009 |
may be you have some other techniques to rob -Shahab
I tried.
PS: Thank God, I am not in the middle east.:) -Shenuji
Shenuji make sure that the husband of your neighbor does not discover about your attempt if not the appendage will be in risk. |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Nov 25, 2009 |
I mean in National social work (Rashtria Swayam Sevak) if I translate it properly - Alfred Rebello
Alfred, you translated it wrongly. Swayam Sevak doesn't mean Social Work but it means a Volunteer. Either your English or your Hindi/Kannada is bad:-)
Yes they are energetic though they are old. So are most people of the 1940s and 50s. They aren't made up of burger, pizza, chats, chinese food like us but with some healthy diet. They aren't used to sit in AC rooms like us, busy 'tiktikking' in front of the PC and playing Farmville, Solitaire but did hardwork. Drawing water from the well, walked long distance instead of using auto, cars, never saw mixer grinders, washing machines etc. So naturally they will be healthy and strong. There is no point envying them. If you and me do not develop cholesterol, diabetics, BP, hypertension before 40, then it is an achievement, let alone leaving till 70 and 80. Touchwood!
Pratibha Patil at this age daring to fly a Sukhoi, specially when we see so many aircrafts crashing is a great sign of her courage. I am still scared of cockroaches, stopped a giant wheel out of fear half-way at age 15 and never sat in that or a tora-tora, skipped most fancy rides when I had been to Vega Land, developed cramps while relaxing in chilled-water, all this before age 21. Don't tell anybody. Let it remain a 'closed secret' between us :-) |
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| Nelson Lewis, Bahrain |
Nov 25, 2009 |
Dear Mr. Nagesh Nayak,
You are perfectly right that the flying stunts of President Pratibha Patil are an utter waste of the taxpayers' money.
Do you recall the visits she had made to the South American countries immediately after becoming President. Her official tour was a failure. Whereas, at the same time, when ex-President A.P.J. Kalam had visited that continent, people were making a beeline and clamouring to meet him and attend his meetings.
Instead of taking joy rides on a Sukhoi, it would have been better she had done something to restore her sagging and dim image.
In fact, she is a political flunkey chosen by politicians, who wanted a "haan jee".
Regards,
Nelson |
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| Nelson Lewis, Bahrain |
Nov 25, 2009 |
Mr. Puttur Dinesh,
Perfectly right, when you say that one should not judge the book by the cover.
If you had delved into her past, Ms. Pratibha Patil is at least amongst the worst Presidents India has ever had.
So what if she flew by a Sukhoi, sailed by a submarine or took a ride in a tank? These things do not transform her and portray her in a positive way.
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| Judith L, India |
Nov 25, 2009 |
| sree, After all debating, u want to break the unity. u r back to square 1 again. why not work for the needs of the common man first. |
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| Latha Rai, UAE |
Nov 25, 2009 |
I know the Rai sisters would not like Nags praising another woman - puttus green claws showing again
puttu dear nags can praise all the women he wants. its good for him. otherwise he will turn out to be another nelson or worse still another alfred.
but u tell one thing. why ur so fond of frieda? she reminds u of someone? |
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