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| Krishna (Sanchalak), India |
Jul 31, 2010 |
DP Kumar - none is living in fools paradise. I did answered to him the way he wanted to get the answer.... VRS.
You better send your post in German or Dutch so that everyone can understand.
do not bring the religion here there are lots of things to discuss so they can discuss it other than un seen god & godess (incorrect spelling) and your religion is better and mine is superior etc...... VRS
You have been using only RSS, Brahamin, god, Goddess few verbs and adjectives here and there. Several learned personalities in this forum have tried to correct you and sent a clear message. Perhaps you have a problem in understanding their language. You have proved Kannada proverb Nayiya Baala Donku...
There are many famous personalities without social networking websites? do your Mohan Bhagwat has any social networking websites... VRS
Do you consider yourself a famous p..................ersonality?
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| Austin Prabhu, USA |
Jul 31, 2010 |
Z – This old lady knows Konkani the best: “Maggi’baye, tho BURNAAS ya”.
X – “What? He called me BORN ASS?”- Chris
Chris, that's where burnass word in Konkani came from. It's actually a bad bad word and many Konkani speaking people do not know about this. |
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| Nelson Lewis, Bahrain |
Jul 31, 2010 |
Dear Mr. Nagendra Shenoy,
For me, the great fast bowlers were Freddie (Fiery) Trueman, ave. 21.57, Brian Statham, ave. 24.84,Ray Lindwall, ave. 19.62, Frank Tyson, ave. 18.56, Keith Miller, ave. 22.97, Wesley Hall, ave. 26.38, Peter Pollock, ave. 24.18, Wasim Akram, ave. 23.62, Sir Richard Hadlee, ave. 22.29, Dennis Lille, ave. 23.92, Imran Khan, ave. 22.81, Waqar Younis, ave. 23.56 and a few others that I cannot recall.
They are simply all-time greats. One cannot just compare lesser mortals with them. They were quality bowlers with a clean bowling action. Whereas, Shoaib Akhtar's bowling action is suspect and he is not in anyway a great bowler, just a braggart.
Regards,
Nelson |
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| Nelson Lewis, Bahrain |
Jul 31, 2010 |
Mr. Nagendra Shenoy:
To the best of my knowledge, India is a Republic and, therefore, the question of conferring Knightwood to Sachin Tendulkar does not arise. So it will be Mr. & Mrs. Tendulkar (and not Sir or Lady Tendulkar).
If that was the question than there would have been many Indians, who would have been knighted for their meritorious services and contributions to the society and world, by now.
Well, you are saying that the English Queen should say sorry for perpetrating British rule in India, stealing the Kohinoor diamond and many other things. The poor lady is not personally responsible for these crimes that were committed by her ancestors, before she was born. If you are speaking about Queen Elizabeth, she is a titular head and, like her late Queen Mother, a paragon.
What about Indian politicians and other desperadoes who have looted and raped the country, created mayhem, destroyed lives and properties. Where is the rule of the land?
Of late, what about Suresh Kalmadi, the Chairman of the Olympic Games Committee? How much money this scoundrel may have pocketed. Just for example, the blip - a mere baloon - costs Rs. 4 crores, what about the medical equipment that have been purchased at inflated prices and what about irregularities and substandard construction.
This man, Kalmadi, having no political abilities, started with holding marathons and then graduated into bigger sporting events and over the years must have gobbled and swallowed in crores. When are the authorities going to check his nefarious activities and reveal it to the people, instead of keeping it hush hush.
If the Government is after Amit Shah, Narendra Modi, Lalit Modi, then what about others, like Sharad Pawar, Suresh Kalmadi, etc.? |
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium |
Jul 31, 2010 |
| Chris - dalit colony next to Ranjeet Garage in Monkey stand beside to Hangaraki Nursing home is still there, if there is that colony take Pai to that colony he will understand what is humanity and what is love and affection is? |
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| Kiran, USA |
Jul 31, 2010 |
DPK,
Grhastas can indeed perform poojas and often do so. I know many priests who are married and continue to perform poojas. There is no restriction. Also, the seer from Udupi was allowed to perform puja. Chris Rego just throws some half baked concepts without having any deeper understanding. On a related note, it is worth mentioning, all of us are envisioned to follow the chatur ashrama system. Brahmacharya, Grhasta, Vanaprasta (contemplative phase) and Sannyasa as we mature (not just in age). |
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| Tony, USA |
Jul 31, 2010 |
Canadian band the arrogant worms sing about the murder of vegetables.
Listen up brothers and sisters,
come hear my desperate tale.
I speak of our friends of nature,
trapped in the dirt like a jail.
Vegetables live in oppression,
served on our tables each night.
This killing of veggies is madness,
I say we take up the fight.
Salads are only for murderers,
coleslaw's a fascist regime.
Don't think that they don't have feelings,
just cause a radish can't scream.
Chorus:
I've heard the screams of the vegetables (scream, scream, scream)
Watching their skins being peeled (having their insides revealed)
Grated and steamed with no mercy (burning off calories)
How do you think that feels (bet it hurts really bad)
Carrot juice constitutes murder (and that's a real crime)
Greenhouses prisons for slaves (let my vegetables go)
It's time to stop all this gardening (it's dirty as hell)
Let's call a spade a spade (is a spade is a spade is a spade)
I saw a man eating celery,
so I beat him black and blue.
If he ever touches a sprout again,
I'll bite him clean in two.
I'm a political prisoner,
trapped in a windowless cage.
Cause I stopped the slaughter of turnips
by killing five men in a rage
I told the judge when he sentenced me,
This is my finest hour,
I'd kill those farmers again
just to save one more cauliflower
Chorus
How low as people do we dare to stoop,
Making young broccolis bleed in the soup?
Untie your beans, uncage your tomatoes
Let potted plants free, don't mash that potato!
I've heard the screams of the vegetables (scream, scream, scream)
Watching their skins being peeled (fates in the stirfry are sealed)
Grated and steamed with no mercy (you fat gormet slob)
How do you think that feels? (leave them out in the field)
Carrot juice constitutes murder (V8's genocide)
Greenhouses prisons for slaves (yes, your composts are graves)
It's time to stop all this gardening (take up macrame)
Let's call a spade a spade (is a spade, is a spade, is a spade, is a spade.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ov5Jgw_Nwx4 |
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| Kiran, USA |
Jul 31, 2010 |
He had gone abroad. He was not allowed to perform pooja to Krishna. I hope, you under stand this difference. --Chris Rego
Again, commenting on something you have no knowledge of. He had gone abroad and is going abroad again. He was allowed to perform pooja and will perform pooja again when his turn comes. Some people did object, but the objection did not stand. |
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| Kiran, USA |
Jul 31, 2010 |
I am behind Brahmins --VRS
No wonder, we did not see your comments on the following news articles associated with your (fake or real) caste/community.
1 http://mangalorean.com/news.php?newstype=local&newsid=189921
2 http://mangalorean.com/news.php?newstype=local&newsid=189736
3 http://mangalorean.com/news.php?newstype=local&newsid=189182 |
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Jul 31, 2010 |
Well, if M.com allows us to post contents in native languages, I would love to switch to kannada. I’ve tried in the past. When I try...this is how it looks ‘ನಮಸ್ಕಾರ’ - Pai
Well, Pai, I’m of the opinion that the webmaster knows the consequences of having people speaking in lingos they are MOST comfy with. Let’s analyze this:
X – Who is more comfy with English BUT knows a little of Kannada: “I went for pee”.
Y – who knows little English but plenty of Tulu: “Aye enchina pee gethonre pothe ya B*******?
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Z – This old lady knows Konkani the best: “Maggi’baye, tho BURNAAS ya”.
X – “What? He called me BORN ASS?”
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Z – This chap is a kannada pundit: “Namma jothe PREETHI irali. Idhe nanna SANDESHA”.
X – “Hey Tony bro, he’s asking for a gal named PREETHI on this FORUM. Cripes! He’s even soliciting for a threesome by asking this twerp called SANDESHA to join them. Jesus Christ, what’s the world coming to, eh?
To which Y replies – Indaya Gangu, au FORUM Bengaloord’ athaya? Ide Kudla’d daye au poora Gowda naklena vishaya kalkuve? Ayen BOT’tod ya Gangu.
X – Tony, I think he’s saying there are BOTS on this foRUM! Lets SCOOT.
Z sees the post and replies – ye poora kalleyn "For Rum, For Rum" muntath Maggibaye? Anka illeshyn Goinso Fenny piyonk saang!
Y - "Poora B*******'naklu, Orye SCOOTer start malth balthe! Kudonji ajji Rum da vishaya patherondd undu. Naal quarter booda anddh areg. Balaya Gangu. Enkk saak andd. Gadangg podhu Nama onchoor 60 bokka chakkuli padga.
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You get the drift, Pai. If people were to speak in their own lingos, it wold be the Tower of Babel out here.
As it is, by speaking in English itself, we spare little chance to rattle sabres. Why invite MORE troubles, eh? |
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| Bonnie, USA |
Jul 31, 2010 |
I think the answer Dr. Keshav Baliram Hedgewar, the founder of RSS?? -Pai
Pai,
Nay. That was more like, Pai-wise found foolish (take it figuratively). |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Jul 31, 2010 |
"Habibe, the prefix 'Google' goes MUCH better before your name " says Chris 'Google' Rego.
That's the best arguement you have? Ok - I get it. No surprises there. As I said, whatever makes you happy, dude. :) |
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Jul 31, 2010 |
"Take some time to digest this mate" - says our 'google' Rego after posting more references from old Indian books! - Pai
Habibe, the prefix 'Google' goes MUCH better before your name Pai. Check it out yourself - what sounds better - Google Pai or Google Rego?
Besides, just yesterday you said that "Rego ROARS from his den". So you tell me now - In the den, where the heck is power, internet connectivity and a decent computer to keep exchanging "howdy do's" with you? Ha! And you talk about googling! Make up your mind, O' Pai! |
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Jul 31, 2010 |
How about the poem below. Could you identify the rider on the horse. - Bonnie to Pai
Bonnie, let's give our man two hints, both movies - [1] The SPY who loved me and [2] The American PIE. The chaps name rhymes with the first word in caps while the second is pronounced exactly the same as the second.
Hey Alfie, did you crack it as yet? |
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Jul 31, 2010 |
You might ha not come across the different categories within Hindus, and amongst Brahmins.......grahastas" Grahastas do agriculture, other professions, business or travel....He had gone abroad. He was not allowed to perform pooja to Krishna. I hope, you under stand this difference.
Different categories amongst Hindus and Brahmins. Seems a little difficult to digest. But thanks for that being candid, DP. |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Jul 31, 2010 |
"Could you identify the rider on the horse" - asks my friend Bonnie, USA.
Well, Bonnie - I have to admit I don't read your poems as I always know where they all point to.
So, let me guess (without reading your latest poem) the answer.
Rider on the horse, uh? Hmmm...looks like you have narrowed down your attacks on a single guy. So it can't be RSS or VHP or Hindus or Brahmins. smiles...
I think the answer Dr. Keshav Baliram Hedgewar, the founder of RSS?? |
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium |
Jul 31, 2010 |
| DP Kumar - Why there is difference to perform Pujas, aren't all creation of GODS (as believers claim) so why these kinda discrimination, this is the time to think out of the box and believe in science and this is time for APPLE 4 soft phones not in idols or unseen GOD or GODess. What you have to say Mr. Diwakar Shenoy? |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Jul 31, 2010 |
“How then, does it behove you to use masters language…” – Bonnie.
Sure – here is how.
I think you are referring to my posts in ‘English’ here on this forum. Well, if M.com allows us to post contents in native languages, I would love to switch to kannada. I’ve tried in the past. When I try...this is how it looks – “ ನಮಸ್ಕಾರ “
If it works, let’s stop using master’s language, shall we? |
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| D.P.Kumar, India |
Jul 31, 2010 |
Chris Rego,
This refers to your points raised to O.Pai, USA.
You might ha not come across the different categories within Hindus, and amongst Brahmins.
Those who enter the sanctum sanctorium and perform pujas have more stricter norms than the other part which is known as " grahastas".
Grahastas do agriculture, other professions, business or travel.
Grahastas in many castes or communities are not allowed to enter the sanctum sanctorium or go nearer to the idol. They are kept at a distance.
You might have come across similar issue crept up a couple of years in Udupi Matt due to the Paryaya swamy had gone abroad. He was not allowed to perform pooja to Krishna.
I hope, you under stand this difference.
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| Bonnie, USA |
Jul 31, 2010 |
You can write more poems or you can write how you guys 'fully agree' with each other and so on. -Pai,
Pai,
How about the poem below. Could you identify the rider on the horse.
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He came like a rider on the horse
Offering the answers to every question
With the fury of his sound going forth
To the ends of the world with shrill
He pulled out his dazzling sword
Brandishing with elegance unseen
And had the audience spellbound in charm
In the heat of the moment to stare
He locked his sword of words
With everyone who crossed his path
Drawing applause from the likes of him
To the dismay of who tried to make sense
He strode every corner of the forum
Riding high on the eloquency of the pen
Trying to weave the web of verbosity
With the words of never ending charade
Caught at times, in his contradictions
The rider marched on nonchalantly
And some among the audience retreated
Lest they be run over by the rider
Spelndid in gallantry, he displayed
The audacity to take on the writers of
Yesteryears, with the charm of his
Quaint and esoteric terms galore
He raised the pitch of the sound to the
High Heavens with his rabble-rousing
Sound from the trumpet, deafening the ears
Of many a weary and dreay soul
The old quietness which was once
The hall mark of the talk in the town
Disppeared suddenly, like the
Morning dew in the heat of the day. |
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| Bonnie, USA |
Jul 31, 2010 |
This is precisely my problem with your ‘masters’. They first force you to change everything about your culture/lifestyle in the name of ‘modernization’ -Pai,
Pai,
It is an accepted axiom that the language is the soul of the culture. How then, does it behove you to use masters language and hurl epithets like masters/self-haters.Could you unravel this conundrum for me, please.
Let me see, how impeccable is your inherited pedigree from your masters(RSS) - which is living in denial and keeping the head buried in the sand.Did I hear someone shouting, the emperor is without clothes.
How about addressing this issue as a starting point. |
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium |
Jul 31, 2010 |
| DP Kumar - none is living in fools paradise and I am not a fool to write something which is not there in a public forum, Guru is not super duper person he can also make mistakes and I know what he wanted from him and I did answered to him the way he wanted to get the answer. |
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium |
Jul 31, 2010 |
| Austin - That was my point - do not bring the religion here there are lots of things to discuss so they can discuss it other than un seen god & godess and your religion is better and mine is superior etc. |
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium |
Jul 31, 2010 |
| Nelson - is that your business to know what I am doing and what do I serve? are RSS and their chelas is your masters. |
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium |
Jul 31, 2010 |
| Krushna - Man is social animanl and hatred also, you are no one to tell me what to do and what no to do? there are many famous personalities without social networking websites? do your Mohan Bhagwat has any social networking websites, I am here on my wish and you are not any one to tell me what to do. |
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| Ananda Padebettu, Mumbai, India |
Jul 31, 2010 |
I am searched all over the world because I am behind Brahmins and their master RSS.-VRS,
Hmmm... Did you mean Brahmins and RSS are ahead of you?
(;-D) |
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| Ananda Padebettu, Mumbai, India |
Jul 31, 2010 |
Former President, A.P.J. Kalam, is a noble person, who has not lost his popularity, glamour, sheen and charisma, though he is not the President anymore.-Nelson Lewis.
Nelson,
You might have observed, Noble word does not have any place in today's politics. This is irrespective of Party lines. |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Jul 31, 2010 |
Guru; Nelson Lewis; Austin Noronha and Chris Rego,
First let the Queen apologize for the British Raj in India or at least the Jallianwallah Bagh Massacre. Then we can think of getting the Kohinoor back. But if Uncle Mallya makes up his mind, he should be able to get it for us :)
There were some talks of conferring the Knighthood on Sachin Tendulkar. He should not accept it at any cost should it come his way in future. |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Jul 31, 2010 |
I get your point on Srinath and Kumble, O R Pai.
But the career-span of bowlers, especially fast bowlers is normally very short while compared to that of batsmen. One LIVE example in front of us is the Australian paceman Brett Lee. Debuted in 1999 at the MCG (and greeted with a magnificent 126 at the MCG by Sachin Tendulkar, then the Captain of the team, including a straight six of Shane Warne) is already a spent force. This inspite of not being the prime bowler like Srinath was for India ever since Kapil retired.
This is why I have high regards for the ace of Pakistan i.e. Wasim Akram. He played most of his Cricket being diabetic and on sub-continent pitches, where heat and humidity is at maximum and wickets are either batsmen or spinner friendly unlike Aussie, English and Carribean pitches where the conditions are normally even and assists pace and swing bowling and room for error as a batsman is minimum. Inspite of this, he has to his credit, 2 hat-tricks each in ODIs and Test Cricket (which came in 2 consecutive Test matches) He also has a Test Double Hundred and some 50s in ODIs, not to forget, captained the most controversial Cricket Team in the Cricketing world where internal turmoil and backstabbing is very common.
He rubbished Waqar Younis\' idea of getting run-out and halting Anil Kumble\'s marathon spell at 9 wickets at Feroz Shah Kotla by saying \"Even if I could get 10 wickets in gully Cricket, I would have been happier\" and later became Kumble\'s 10th victim of the innings (and hence Kumble missed a rare distinction of bowling out all players of the opposition in a Test match since Waqar Younis remained unbeaten in both innings. Only Jim Laker holds that record I guess)
Tendulkar v/s Saqlain, Aravinda v/s Waqar, Sanath v/s Akram.... Those were the days and what a sight it was!! Now we have to be contended with fake legends like Shoaib Akthar and Kevin Pieterson and Ricky Ponting who make noise via hairstyles and media statements. |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Jul 31, 2010 |
"The masters, against whom you rage, freed India from Muslim rule and transferred control of India to Hindus" - Tony, USA
I have to admit - This one beats everything I have heard from 'self-hating' groups in the past.
Yes - Masters came to India to free india from Muslim rule and grant us fredom. Wonderful.
Dear Tony - Does 'clueless' mean anything to you? Just wondering. |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Jul 31, 2010 |
"Take some time to digest this mate" - says our 'google' Rego after posting more references from old Indian books!
Listen, brotha - I should thank you for doing some 'google' (re)search on how evil brahmins and priests promoted the local population to stay in India, discouraging them from crossing the ocean.
Because, it helps me make my case below!
Ok - This is not something new. if you use your favirite 'google' again, you will find that other civilizations have also done the same to 'protect' their culture from outside influences. The best example is Japan. Almost for 2-3 centuries, the dominant Samurai culture closed any interactions with outside world to protect their native culture and heritage.
Here is what you totally missed. 'Protecting' is different from 'invading'!!! Get it??? Every civilization has the right to protect their land and culture. But....your masters went around the globe with a gun in one hand and 'something-else' in the other hand, telling people how they all should change their lifestyle, language, dress, names, god and everything!
Did you get it now?
Well, let me give another example so you can understand this better. if you 'google' even more, you will find that India welcomed non-native religions such as Christianity, Islam, Judaism and Zoroastrianism centuries ago. In fact, christianity reached India(Kerala) in first century AD. They could safely practice their faith and lifestyle for centuries until one day when your masters arrived!!!!
You can read in detail how your Masters destroyed (burnt) all the texts of syrian christians from Malabar area. Your masters denounced the malabar christian's version of faith as 'false'!!
(link - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Malabar_Nasrani)
So...take some time to digest this mate! |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Jul 31, 2010 |
"Bonnie's poem touched a raw nerve too many" - Rego continues to congratulate his team from his den.
Dude - As I said before, do whatever makes you happy. There is no need to justify why you congratulate eachother. You can write more poems or you can write how you guys 'fully agree' with eachother and so on...
Smiles... |
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| Guru, India |
Jul 31, 2010 |
make one more such Diamond. Else be happy with Kohinoor condoms. "-Nagendra Shenoy on precious Kohinoor diamond in British Museum.
Enjoyed the wit with memories of past loot and booty.
Anyway, let it be there as common wealth! |
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| Krishna, India |
Jul 30, 2010 |
I am not into social networking websites because I feel that it is just waste of time. VRS
You have proved enough to say that you are an anti social element. By definition man is a Social animal. Person who doesn’t socialise with others is just an animal. Sorry I am insulting animals. Often animals are better than human beings. This forum is meant for people to socialise. It is better if you keep move out of this forum so that forum could maintain its dignity.
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| Lawrence, USA |
Jul 30, 2010 |
| Can India be able to prove the ownership of Kohinoor Diamond? I was told that it belongs to then Nizaam of Hyderabad. When India captured Hyderabad under the leadership of Sardar Patel, Nizaam was allowed to take all his possessions and go to Pakistan. Shouldn't it be rightfully belong to the decendants of Nizaam? |
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| Austin Noronha, Qatar |
Jul 30, 2010 |
Here is what Uncle Cameron has to say on the Kohinoor Diamond case.
"What tends to happen with these questions is that if you say yes to one, then you would suddenly find the British Museum empty\"-Nagendra
Nagendra if he does not want to see his museum empty then how about paying for the stolen wealth from India to keep his museum full? Why can't we negotiate it against the deal of purchase of fighter aircrafts by India? Is it not possible? |
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| Nelson Lewis, Bahrain |
Jul 30, 2010 |
Mr. Krishna,
You mean to say that Voluntary Retirement Shetty, I mean V.R. Shetty, is not in Belgium. Where is he then? I thought he was running a Shetty restaurant there, entertaining Belgians with garma, garm Idlis, Medhu Wadas, Pakodas and what not, with spicy sambar and tangy chutney.
How many aliases does this man have? Well, is he a Charles Sobhraj? Amazingt stuff indeed! Oh boy, oh boy! |
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| Nelson Lewis, Bahrain |
Jul 30, 2010 |
Mr. Nagendra Shenoy,
If you wish to have the Kohinoor diamond back, then you could assign the job of robbing to one of the Indian politicians.
Well, many would have all the notorious attributes for the job. For a starter, how about the notorious brothers of Karnataka, who have been a great source of woe? How about the man, who instead of doing his ministerial job is involved in BCCI? Then there are many others who fit the bill.
Regards,
Nelson |
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Jul 30, 2010 |
That's what your Masters do. That's why I have issues with your "masters" who went around the world telling others how their way of living, dressing, eating and worshipping are superior to others. - Pai to Bonnie
Pai, if you have SUCH an aversion to the "Land of the Masters", what the heck are you doing out there in the first place? Why did you make the 'sagarollanghana'?
After all, doesn't the Baudhayana Sutra, one of the Hindu Dharma Shastras, say that "making voyages by sea" (II.1.2.2) is an offense which will cause pataniya, loss of caste. It offers a rather difficult penance: "They shall eat every fourth mealtime a little food, bathe at the time of the three libations (morning, noon and evening), passing the day standing and the night sitting. After the lapse of three years, they throw off their guilt."
Well, you may argue that you traveled by air - Lufthansa or Vayu Yumreeka. Or you may say that you're no monk or a priest so that the "ban" would be applicable for you. However, you have indulged in mleccha samparka, usually politely translated as mixing with foreigners. Mleccha, however, is more accurately translated as "barbarian" or "savage."
Dr. A.V. Ramana Dikshitulu, head priest of the Balaji Temple in Tirumala, one of India's most respected and popular pilgrimage destinations, said, "None of our priests who serve in the main sanctum can cross the ocean. Neither I nor any member of my family have done so, despite lucrative offers from abroad. Serving the Lord here is most important to us. The Balaji Temple is governed by the Vaikhanasa Agama. It says that the people outside India are akin to mlecchas, barbarians, who do not follow any rules or code of conduct, and therefore it forbids visiting such places. These places have habits, food, relationships and other things which could make us corrupt and impure."
"According to the Agama, all brahmins are supposed to worship at sunrise, midday and sunset, called trikal gayatri sandhya," he explained. "This trikal sandhya cannot be performed on a plane or ship; it must be done on the earth."
Take some time to digest this mate. After all, it comes from your backyard!
P.S.: No matter who or what says what, don't STOP saying "Hi, Howdy do's" to the native Indians, mate". You don't need lye and chlorox to wash yourself and be pure post that. That's bunkum! |
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Jul 30, 2010 |
"What tends to happen with these questions is that if you say yes to one, then you would suddenly find the British Museum empty" - Nagendra quoting Unc Cam
He has a point Nagendra. After all, the British museum WAS empty before they found loot from all over - especially from India to display.
However, I guess he shouldn't worry too much. If at all the museum goes empty, he could always display the Queens garters, boots, hats and purses! |
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Jul 30, 2010 |
Go ahead and write more poems on RSS Nazis and congratulate each other...whatever makes you happy! - Pai purrs contentedly from his pen
Pai, it is obvious that Bonnie's poem touched a raw nerve too many. As they say - "the truth is always bitter". You could ask our Dr. Shenoy for something for the gastro esophageal reflux! I'm sure he would oblige. |
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| Tony, USA |
Jul 30, 2010 |
| The masters, against whom you rage, freed India from Muslim rule and transferred control of India to Hindus. |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Jul 30, 2010 |
"...but certainly not Kumble and Srinath" - Nagendra Shenoy
Dear Nagendra,
I certainly didn't mean it in a condescending way. In fact, I have tons of respect towards everyone who made it to national team. My point was to show how Tendulkar outlasted all these great players and still maintained his brilliant performance. |
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium |
Jul 30, 2010 |
Krishna - Ware Va - I am searched all over the world because I am behind Brahmins and their master RSS.
Yellow pages will not give everyone's details in Belgium unless you own the property.
Do not search me in Belgium? search me in your heart where I have created fear among RSS lovers, you are not owner of Belgium to grant me assulym based on my RSS comments, you are in India because you are not alllowed any where else like your master Narendra Modi.
There are many writers in this forum, no one searched them because they were writing no one was behind RSs, this shows the attitude of RSS chelas they are just scared. |
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| Austin Noronha, Qatar |
Jul 30, 2010 |
Austin if that is your real name then my name is Vinod Raghuvir Shetty -VRS
If that's your real name, so be it VRS. Let's forget all our grudges and stay here in EYT as good friends and share our knowledge with each other. I request all in EYT not to bring religion, caste or spirituality in your futile attempt to show "my religion is better than yours". |
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| D.P.Kumar, India |
Jul 30, 2010 |
do not know the simple fact that there cannot be any HIGH COMMISSION either of India or any other country in BELGIUM,.._K.S. Bhat
In fact I too am not aware of the basics of distinguishing office' under External Affairs.
May be Guru might have spelled it knowingly to get the reaction of VRS.
Guru having earlier in the Diamond business at Mumbai, may be knowing more about Belgium as the world's Diamond market is controlled from Antwerp.
Only Guru may clarify. |
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| Austin Noronha, Qatar |
Jul 30, 2010 |
Dont make us laugh. Athiest is as much faith as any other religion.-Tony
You should have written "Atheism" and not "Atheist". Now go and laugh at yourself as much as you want:). If you are ignorant please ask me what religion is and what Atheism is. Here you go - Religion is a belief of the people that there is a god or gods and Atheism is just the opposite. Atheists don't believe that god or any boogie man or bearded man exists in the sky or anywhere else in the whole universe. Faith is relative to religion, a chidish tantrum, and not to Atheism. |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Jul 30, 2010 |
Chris,
Here is what Uncle Cameron has to say on the Kohinoor Diamond case.
"What tends to happen with these questions is that if you say yes to one, then you would suddenly find the British Museum empty"
If India wants the Kohinoor back, it will have to either steal it from the Museum or make one more such Diamond. Else be happy with Kohinoor condoms. |
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| D.P.Kumar, India |
Jul 30, 2010 |
manshak ghanT
mazr matr bandait
undrani nhayi!!
Austin Noronha, the above is a twisted version of one of the short poems (chutuku) from Austin D'Souza Prabhu's "Vozram".
In the after noons during this shady monsoon, the reading of few of these rhymes do activate my brain. I enjoy them.
Porbhu, I never guessed anything. On reading your thoughts, I just remembered one of those short chutuku by Austin.
Please do Keep writing. |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Jul 30, 2010 |
“I have no time to continue discuss this topic any further” said Bonnie before started posting more stuff on the same topic!!
Bonnie,
I thought I would give you the last word since you said you had no more time for discussion. Oh well – looks like you changed your mind. So let me give you my response to your lengthy post.
1. “You, who seem to carp so much about the Indian culture, did you happen to read the article on polyandry which is still in vogue in certain parts of India”
Hmmm...Are you somehow trying to indicate that our Indian culture is inferior to others because we have instances of polyandry being practiced by certain sections of our society? In fact, the most famous example comes from Mahabharat – Draupadi and Pandavas. It’s funny you brought up the topic of Polyandry. I have the February-2010 issue of National Geographic on my desk here. It ran a cover story on Polygamy in America. Page number.51 gives details on how 46-years old Warren Jeff, after the death of his father, married some of his father’s wives!! As you know, Warren Jeff is the leader of FLDS based out of Utah.
Look – Stop telling me the obvious things - I never claimed ‘culture’ to be a monolithic thing. That’s what your Masters do. That’s why I have issues with your ‘masters’ who went around the world telling others how their way of living, dressing, eating and worshipping are superior to others. I like the concept of pluralism. Your Masters don’t like it – “you are with us OR you are against us” is what they believe in.
India could easily digest Sikhism, Jainism Budhism and Hinduism. A Jain family can run a Hindu temple like ‘Dharmasthala’ and worship a Hindu God because Jainism doesn’t decide who the true God is and who the false God is. A native devotee who visits Dhramasthala has no conflicts when he offers prayers to Bahubali.
2. Native Americans and Indian reservations – Your references to “drunkenness and orgies” made me laugh. In the last 14 years, I have spent a lot of time making friends with Native Americans. Every summer I attend at least half a dozen powwows to photograph the amazing dancers and their costumes. In this process, I have made real good friends from the tribes of Potawatomi, Oneida and Ho Chunk. Trust me on this – They resent what your ‘masters’ did to their people and culture. The kids were dragged out of Native American reservations, put in boarding schools and forced to forget all of their cultural aspects (language to religion) in an attempt to make them ‘modern people’. Today, most of the native languages are dead.
Agreed – they were not the most advanced society when Europeans arrived here. Does it mean that everything about their culture was inferior and bad? Who do you think exposed Natives to gambling and Alcohol?
This is precisely my problem with your ‘masters’. They first force you to change everything about your culture/lifestyle in the name of ‘modernization’. Once you are fully ‘converted’, they dump you and move on. Any social issues such as poverty would be blamed on the native people and their inability to help themselves! This probably explains why ‘Masters’ are more worried about the poor tribal folks in Orissa when some of the poorest people live in Africa and South America!!
As to the Indian Casinos – Please look into how they fund so many programs helping native Americans. From scholarship to free healthcare, the revenue generated from Casinos is very important for the survival of so many poor families. Do you know who actually oppose this very successful program? Republicans!!! Yes – conservative, religious Republicans are very opposed to one program that actually works!!!
3. ‘Hitchens-Dinesh D’Souza’: Well, I have my own issues with both of them. Hitchens comes across as an arrogant, drunk ‘atheist’ while Dinesh D’Souza is no better than a salesman selling ‘moola vyaadhi’ pills at Puttur bus stand! However, you raise a good point on ‘what did atheists do’ for the poor people of Africa? You are right – Missionaries did ‘something’ as compared to ‘nothing’ from Atheists. However, your comparison is a flawed comparison. It’s like comparing a fully functional Goverment to a journalist. The job of journalist is to report the facts and expose the scam artists. It doesn’t mean that he/she will have the funds or reach of a massive Government running many social programs. Same way, missionaries are very well organized, funded group with a clear agenda in their mind. They have done some good things to societies though many of them were agenda-driven. On the other hand, there is no ‘vatican’ for all aheists. All they can do is to spread the awareness within their capacity.
Let me end my rather long post with this – ‘Akshaya Paatra’ scheme, jointly run by ISCKON and State govt, feeds tens of thousands of students on daily basis. Students can enjoy the food without having to worry about singing a prayer to any specific God. Compare this to Masters who received funds from Spanish kings and what they did to people all around the world. Just a thought... |
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| Krishna, India |
Jul 30, 2010 |
Namaskar Bhatre
The yellow pages of the Belgium revealed no Shettys.
There are about 7,000 persons of Indian origin residing in Belgium.
The Belgium has three official languages: Dutch, French, and German. Very few people speak English in Belgium.
Indians are employed mainly in the software and diamond industries as well as other local industries in major cities. For example the Gujaratis from Palanpur district in Gujarat, India initially arrived in Antwerp to work in the diamond industry.
About 80% of the Indians living in Belgium are Sikhs. These people mainly reside in the areas of Hasselt, Brussels, Gent and Antwerp.
It is of no use searching for VRS in Belgium. If at all if he is there in Belgium he could be an illigal imigrant or an assulum seeker. With his attitude he would not have got legal entry into the Belgium. |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Jul 29, 2010 |
“Pai, Bonnie was right. You whirl sticks over your head while wearing leather! More forked a tongue, I haven't had the misfortune to see! Keep twirling, mate. You could touch the stars soon! “
- Rego roars from his den.
Wooooooow! You agree with Bonnie? Shocking!!!!
Go ahead and write more poems on RSS Nazis and congratulate each other...whatever makes you happy! |
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| Tony, USA |
Jul 29, 2010 |
Digvijay Singh takes war on saffron terror to PM
BJP state governments refuse to cooperate in investigations into hindu terror.
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/site/Story/107064/India/digvijay-singh-takes-war-on-saffron-terror-to-pm.html |
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| Tony, USA |
Jul 29, 2010 |
| Dont make us laugh. Athiest is as much faith as any other religion. |
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| Peter Souza, India |
Jul 29, 2010 |
Dear Bhat
I am not singling out VRS alone here. He is one side of the coin. While I endorse your views on this matter, I however feel that there are many more VRS in this forum (on the other side- we just notice them as their vitriolic comments are not often directed against us but at some other community).
To all the VRS in EYT, there is a saying that "we need to understand ourselves first in order to find happiness, to have good inter personal relationships (or to maintain them).
Knowthyself first before knowing others is not an unsolicited advice but is the unifying message preached by many religions (if we look for this, we will find this in different forms).
This particular wisdom of knowing ourselves first is universal and even atheists are not exempted from this. |
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| Porbhu, India |
Jul 29, 2010 |
Dear DP,
No I am not Austin. Nor I am Austin Powers!
However I liked your humor too. Keep writing.... We need more writers like you. |
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium |
Jul 29, 2010 |
| Bhat - If you can observe my last sentence I told that High Comission is kiski ka baap ka jaagir nahin. I know that he was just trying to threaten me may be he felt upset because I was behind his masters. |
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium |
Jul 29, 2010 |
| Austin if that is your real name then my name is Vinod Raghuvir Shetty and I am bold enough to write my name anywhere because why should I be scared of anyone, I am not into social networking websites because I feel that it is just waste of time. |
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| Kadengodlu Shankara Bhat, Kazakhstan |
Jul 29, 2010 |
D.P.Kumar, India: [ RE: Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium ]
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" enda mone devwasam undo?
High Commission at Brussels is kisi ka baap ka jaagir nahin."- Vinod R Shetty to Guru.
Vinod, Guru might have thought that it is easy to get information from High Commission. He has probably responded to you in the same level in which you have chided him calling Fake,
Instead of calling others fake or inviting them to Brussels, you could have made arrangements for meeting in Mangalore somewhere when you come down to Mangalore.
Some friends in this forum attempt to meet during the occasional visits to Mangalore.
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The world is so large, that one RSS or Brahmin cannot make difference to the movement and changes what’s going on.
Vinod, if you feel bad, pleas ignore my post. If possible try to fix an rendezvous with Guru when you come down to this part of India.
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DP Maam, Namaskara
HATS OFF to you.
I really appreciated your post filled with maturity & experience in life, [without hating a person who hates & hurls abuses at you day in & day out], as preached by Jesus Christ & Mahatma Gandhiji.
Another point, I have been silently observing these days is that our "so-called intelligent & well versed in politics" Mangaloreans including those from abroad [UAE, Belgium] do not know the simple fact that there cannot be any HIGH COMMISSION either of India or any other country in BELGIUM, because Belgium is NOT a COMMONWEALTH COUNTRY and there can be only Embassies of India or of any other country at the national capital, Brussels.
Why? Do we think? No, b’coz we just go on with heated arguments as per our pre-judices.
HINT: We have Indian High Commissions in Islamabad [Pakistan], London [UK], Canberra [Australia], Ottawa [Canada], etc..and vice versa those countries have their High Commissions in New Delhi {India].
I believe that we literate people in this m.com forum know the meaning of COMMONWEALTH COUNTRIES! as we Indians [or at least] are hosting the COMMONWEALTH GAMES-2010 in Delhi under Chairmanship of the arrogant Suresh Kalmadi with the poor preparation & quality of the venue any Commonwealth Games was organized with typical Indian corruption.
Hope this mis-organisation of the Commonwealth Games does not bring another shame on us as predicted & frankly admitted by Mani Shankar Aiyyar
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium |
Jul 29, 2010 |
DP Kumar - I feel sorry for your ignorance about RSS. Just look into the history of RSS what they have done to India, they have tried to divide India with sub castes, castes and religions and brahmin superiority. You need to look in to the history and recent findings about RSS had made my blood boil that they were instrumental in almost all the bomb blasts in India. They did made a differnce we should undo by thrasing RSS to river so they will not come with that kind of new organisation.
They have hated the lower caste Hindus and minorities and even dalits to large and made people to believe in it, who is responsible for all the problems that India is facing due to caste and religions, it is RSS.
I am sorry if my comments have hurt you, but that is the truth. |
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| Bonnie, USA |
Jul 29, 2010 |
I feel, I use this opportunity to understand this world and people. May be I put up some arguments to get best of the opinions and facts - DP Kumar,
DP kumar,
This is good for a change. I wish we could discuss more on economics as that effects everyone's lives rather than the events of bygone era.
I recently read that the agricultural ministry in India is considering decontrolling the sugar industry. I wanted to get your viwes on that ( leave aside politcis please, I do not want to touch politics even with a bargepole).
My own viwe is that it may fuel inflation if they link the domestic prices to international prices. The consumer may benefit if the dollar depreciates against the rupee, but that is unlkely to happen considering the stranglehold the exporters have on the Finance minsistry. |
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium |
Jul 29, 2010 |
| DP Kumar - I did not start the fake games it is Fake Pai and Guru did so I did respond to them when they call me as FAKE I have to call them fake. I did invited 3-4 people in this forum to brusels, my last visit to India was 5-6 years back, since our elders are no more and we did sold all our property in Mangalore we have none in Mangalore come and meet and my sister in law has bad experience because of her brahmin parents so she is also not interested, we have a nice business running and we take a time to go vacation with family members to some other countries and this year we have choosed to travel to Srilanka. |
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| Austin Noronha, Qatar |
Jul 29, 2010 |
Another link for RSS lovers to know about RSS find out how can this organisation can be for united India.-VRS
VRS there is a limit to everything but you have over crossed that limit in your effort to hurt people of one particular community. Enough is Enough. No one is perfect. You will find black moles in every religions and communities. If you are targeting the black moles then you have to target the black moles of every religion and communities.
Another thing is that I am glad that I have a companion in you as an atheist who believes in science rather than fictional characters. Atheists never cower so be bold enough to write your own name and if that is your real name then add me up in facebook and unravel the suspense of us all. |
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| Ananda Padebettu, Mumbai, India |
Jul 29, 2010 |
All this money is pocketed by the Pakistani politicians and their generals.-Nelson Lewis.
Perfect Analysis.
Moral of the Story is US can never win war against terror at Afghanistan. |
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| Austin Noronha, Qatar |
Jul 29, 2010 |
manshak ghanT
mazr matr bandait
undrani nhayi!!
Austin, khare lagle ki? anaitik mog!!-DP.Maam
Ha Ha Ha:) DP.Maam you think that Porbhu is me? You are not good at detective work. The real Porbhu who wrote it must be laughing at you for connecting that post to me and making me Bakra. |
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| Chris rego, UAE |
Jul 29, 2010 |
and you are worried about how to win one, without being involved. that's how shetty becomes kotian here....hmmmm....strange ways with different HINDUS. - Shenoy no. n to Kotian
Sometime back, some enlightened soul said - "people of Hindustan are Hindus" and that it has no religious connotation. Oh yeah, blame the "masters" who PLAY on your fragile sentiments based on 220% mythology! |
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Jul 29, 2010 |
What constitutes a "civilization", Kiran? --Chris Rego
Civil societies are the hallmark of a civilization. - Kiran
Oh yeah, do they? So how do you explain the Shiv Sena wasting your holy cows milk when millions of children thirst for a drop of it? Some "civil society" eh?
I watched this young punk (couldn't miss the orange shawl) from the SS on TV - saying that they would spill/waste MORE. "Thod bod/phod karenge....."
Aye mate, I'm so sorry that your pin-up boys/masters(according to your master (s)Pai) leave you'll in the lurch time and again whenever you chaps sing their praises! I FEEL your pain, bro. Look inward. Discover thy true self.
Some one pasted a link saying that Modi is great for India. Oh yeah, Hitler WAS great too... IF you could dismiss his megalomania and lust for total supremacy based on his whims and fancies based on some crappy philosophy. I guess the CBI is questioning him and his sidekick Shah to seek solutions for the milk imbroglio in Mumbai! ahem!
Modi is great for India? It is like asking - "Does Polo (the mint with the hole) need another hole?
Pai, Bonnie was right. You whirl sticks over your head while wearing leather! More forked a tongue, I haven't had the misfortune to see!
Keep twirling, mate. You could touch the stars soon! |
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| Hariram, UK |
Jul 29, 2010 |
Kindly check the following link for inexpensive treatment for your sicknesses and save a fortune you pay to doctors.A wonder drug made from the holy cow.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/a-cure-for-cancer-ndash-or-just-a-very-political-animal-2031253.html |
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| D.P.Kumar, India |
Jul 29, 2010 |
" enda mone devwasam undo?
High Commission at Brussels is kisi ka baap ka jaagir nahin."- Vinod R Shetty to Guru.
Vinod, Guru might have thought that it is easy to get information from High Commission. He has probably responded to you in the same level in which you have chided him calling Fake,
Instead of calling others fake or inviting them to Brussels, you could have made arrangements for meeting in Mangalore somewhere when you come down to Mangalore.
Some friends in this forum attempt to meet during the occassional visits to Mangalore.
During the first flight from Kuwait, we met few friends from Kuwait.
Late Donnie was a great heart. I miss him a lot when in solitude.
What a magnificent travelogue by Agnel Periera took us to most precious places in Europe.
K.Shankar Bhat makes it a point to call friends during his visit to Mangalore.
I am happy to note Austin Noronha is coming around September. I look forward to meet him, if his time permits.
I see Amarnath Bantwal, Violet, Joseph Pereira, Meera DS (?) and few more regularly in the Face book.
I have met Chris Rego a couple of times and enjoyed his company.
During the recent visit of Chris Rego, he had no time. But we will make it next time.
Despite the busy schedule, I could have a shake hand with Austin Prabhu in December last year. I am yet to meet his brother Stany D Souza.
Once I met Nagendra Shenoy in new Tajamahal cafe and we had chat with coffee.
Likewise, N.S.Shenoy (Nandavar) comes to Mangalore sometimes. As he has been transferred few months back, I meet him rarely these days.
I met Guru while in the office of the Stock market. We too meet sometimes, rather often these days when the market is northwards.
So many in EYT are reals. We eat anything we like. We do not hate anybody personally. I as an aged person mix with anybody who likes to share views. If someone does not like me and express his views so, I stop writing at him.
I have not seen or experienced America. Our friends like Puttur Dinesh, Tony, Mathew, Bonnie in EYT have enlightened me and have removed my several wrong impressions about that country.
I feel, I use this opportunity to understand this world and people. May be I put up some arguments to get best of the opinions and facts.
The world is so large, that one RSS or Brahmin cannot make difference to the movement and changes whats going on.
Vinod, if you feel bad, pleas ignore my post. If possible try to fix an rendezvous with Guru when you come down to this part of India.
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| Austin Noronha, Qatar |
Jul 29, 2010 |
Mr. Prasad First religeon then country. am a muslim first then indian so u can call me as an indian muslim. Religeon teaches us how to live not the country.
Hammabbare, I know how to live and how to lead an ethical life without religion. Even animals and birds seem to know how to live. And humans being having much more complex brain and being much more intelligent than animals and birds need a fictional character to tell them how to live? A tiny bird with a tiny brain seems to know how to live. It seems to know by itself the egg that comes out from its body, what it is, and if it sits on it, incubating it, it will hatch and bring to life its own kind. And grown up and learned people like you need someone to teach you how to live a peaceful and ethical life? It's really a disgrace that a grown up human having such a complex brain needs someone to teach him how to live. What a world I am living in!!!
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium |
Jul 29, 2010 |
Another link for RSS lovers to know about RSS find out how can this organisation can be for united India.
http://www.sacw.net/DC/CommunalismCollection/ArticlesArchive/OnRSS.html |
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium |
Jul 29, 2010 |
Smita - Guru has connections of underworld bcz Kasragod is famous for smuggling and to lots of people from there are members of D- gang.
If Guru has connections in Belgium high commission and so powerful why he should travel to Mangalore daily for business, they can come to kasragod, he had never thought that people will catch him like this way, typical RSS style to threaten people. |
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| D.P.Kumar, India |
Jul 29, 2010 |
"..there are plenty of vegetarian alternatives where the plant is not killed.."-Peter D Souza quotes Kiran.
Peter, if you cut a branch of a plant, another comes. Is it not so in the case of animals and humans?
I often see my wife removing by nails the top 2 leaves from one of the branches of the Tulasi plant . Next, week I see, 4 new leaves coming up; 2 each on either side of the place where it is removed.
This may be the difference between plants and animals.
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium |
Jul 29, 2010 |
Kiran Swami- you figured out my idea of GOD!!! bolas are you are sarvajani Kiran Swami.... did you attain deeksa from sri sri sri kodangallur divya deepa jyana swamiji, as I told before I do believe in Humanity and even I said that there is NO GOD or GODESS there is humans in this world, science is the ulimate. dalits are part of India and they shall be part of India unless RSS and brahmins keep them out from the mainstream society because of their superiorty belief. Please join Guru from Kasaragod to find me out in Kasragod embassy he has connections there.
Kiran Swami - why do you waste your time with assumed notions? you are troubling your health. Your friend shenoy R is missing because of health. |
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| D.P.Kumar, India |
Jul 29, 2010 |
"I like meat, I do not know anything about Rats milk.."-Porbu, India.
Tumcha uttar bore laglim.
Majhe dost Prabhun kale sangle kiten?
manshak ghanT
mazr matr bandait
undrani nhayi!!
Austin, khare lagle ki? anaitik mog!! |
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| Austin Noronha, Qatar |
Jul 29, 2010 |
Oh yeah, you never answered about the 'food chain'. Sometimes you talk like you were weaned just the other day.-Chris
Chris when someone is not sure who he is and needs to learn about himself then I think his hard disk is not capable to store any data in it and hence the need to study who I am. I recommend him to go through Charles Darwin's evolution theory to know who he is. |
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| Ananda Padebettu, Mumbai, India |
Jul 29, 2010 |
You both guys seems like loosing the battle.-Mr. Kotian.
Hey dude,
Congratulations on winning the battle. I felt you have lost while writing the above sentence. I have corrected few spellings. as loosing gives different meaning that losing.
Losing few battles is part of the game. What matters is who wins the war. LOL |
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| Ananda Padebettu, Mumbai, India |
Jul 29, 2010 |
kuch din pehle woh michael ke naam se likh raha thaa.-K Shenoy.
Shenoy maam,
I am left wondering how the weather in Belgium is conducive for Chameleons?
(;-D)
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| Kiran, USA |
Jul 29, 2010 |
" know thyself" that's what I have to say kiran. --Peter D'Souza
You know what they say about unsolicited advice - it is usually offered by people who need a lot of it themselves. By the way "know thyself" is the best advice anyone can give, provided they really know what it means. |
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| Porbhu, India |
Jul 29, 2010 |
I like meat, I do not know anything about Rats milk to protein and the acids you mentioned.
We have been eating meat not because of some rat experiments nor do we eat because of some fad campaign by some egg board.
Further we believe everything in excess is bad. However if one thinks he or she gets indigestion after eating meat - then one should not eat. Mind is a powerful thing- you will get indigestion. There is no cure for this malady.
Your story about rat milk (or rat meat) is indeed interesting. However I would think its selective and probably taken from an era when there were no satellites or internet and probably one had to do trunk calls (have you heard of this concept?) to even near by places. May be some people did get fooled in the west (because of rat milk experiments) but then some people do get fooled all the time, in all places! (have ya heard of blade companies?).
Finally the concept of taste. Taste for something is developed in our child hood. There is a saying " Kundo kellyakh oondyachi roose kainchi?"
Don not think I am ignorant of health though. I am well aware of the fact that without adequate physical activity- non or veg will lead you to early grave.
There is no bar on non- vegetarians eating enough Kayi pallya, eat red rice (instead of high glycemic index white rice), eat fruits.
By nonveg - one does not meat eating only meat and only meat. This misconception needs to be removed.
Forget about protein man- enjoy your food and avoid oily stuff. |
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| Peter D'Souza, India |
Jul 29, 2010 |
So, if he is really interested in not killing plants, there are plenty of vegetarian alternatives where the plant is not killed. How hard is it to understand such a simple concept ? - Kiran
" know thyself" that's what I have to say kiran. |
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| Kiran, USA |
Jul 28, 2010 |
It looks like you have to go for a course on spirituality to discover your true self. --Bonnie (earlier post)
I thought that you who have mastered the art of spirituality has discovered your true self. --Bonnie (new post)
If you are looking to play see-saw games, you may have to look elsewhere. Okay, so, by the way you framed your earlier post, I thought you had also discovered something about it and were flaunting your knowledge. That is why I asked those questions. My mistake. I am not interested in playing mental games. |
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| Bonnie, USA |
Jul 28, 2010 |
So, if you know who you are (not in terms of attributes or taxonomy), please let us all know -Kiran,
I did not claim that one needs to resort to spirituality. It is YOU who made that claim. I see the same pattern of continual denials again. I thought that you who have mastered the art of spirituality has discovered your true self. Instead, what I see is the neighings of a confused man. It is neither logical or biological; let alone spiritual.
Oh boy! What a garish attempt at revealing thy true self, though not in so sublime way. The more you write, we are all getting to know thy true self. Do I see more holy smoke coming my way. If you followed through your own philosophy of monism, you did not write anything. After all, all is one and one is all. Oh yes, I see confusion written all over your face. |
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| Kiran, USA |
Jul 28, 2010 |
Govt’s tall talk on prices since Nov ’09 exposed
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Govts-tall-talk-on-prices-since-Nov-09-exposed/articleshow/6230111.cms |
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| Kiran, USA |
Jul 28, 2010 |
What constitutes a "civilization", Kiran? --Chris Rego
Civil societies are the hallmark of a civilization.
you never answered about the 'food chain'. --Chris
What part of your question did I not answer ? |
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| Kiran, USA |
Jul 28, 2010 |
Kiran Your Posts shows less patriotic for Your own citizens, More Concern About African States, You Should Vacate from Wild West --Charath
Don't you think compassion is a good thing, whether it is for the people of Africa or Asia ? I should what ? Are you my adviser ? |
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| K Shenoy, India |
Jul 28, 2010 |
You both guys seems like loosing the battle.
...and you are worried about how to win one, without being involved. that's how shetty becomes kotian here....hmmmm....strange ways with different HINDUS. |
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| K Shenoy, India |
Jul 28, 2010 |
Shenoy maam,
Theer is something wrong. Instead of medical, it must have been mental.
anand sir,
i think vrs is already under pressure and guru ji has thrown open challenge to him already. kuch din pehle woh michael ke naam se likh raha thaa.
i know who he is and how many assumed names he has. i also know how many other mangalorean websites he has been patronising with his hindu hate posts. in between, he also betrayed this great website some years ago with his unholy greed and came back with a new name later. |
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| K Shenoy, India |
Jul 28, 2010 |
I am not fake like you VRS
guru ji, one day he may call this forum and website fake. you don't know how suspicious these types may get.
whatever, i like his way of being firm about brahmins and rss. rarely we find such ardent haters of brahmins and rss in eyt these days. |
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| Tony, USA |
Jul 28, 2010 |
| It is absurd to compare Dinesh D'Souza to RSS hooligans. Dinesh D'Souza has never condoned violence against his opponents. |
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| Kiran, USA |
Jul 28, 2010 |
| Chris Rego, Congratulations!!! |
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Jul 28, 2010 |
Do you really believe that we are the most advanced civilization in the Universe? - Kiran to AJR
What constitutes a "civilization", Kiran? Armies? Rules? A path to trod on? A vision? Or a misinterpreted Mythology which lays waste grey cells such as yours?
What of poor bugs/pests/beasts? Do they have any effin texts? The goddamned cockroach is much more resilient than the dino's man! Looks like Reverse osmosis Pai and you blow the same end of the reed, if not weed! Oh yeah, PUFF PUFF to perpetuity.
Oh yeah, you never answered about the 'food chain'. Sometimes you talk like you were weaned just the other day. |
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| Sudhakara Kotian, UAE |
Jul 28, 2010 |
You need some urgent medical attention man!-Shenoy maam.
Shenoy maam,
Theer is something wrong. Instead of medical, it must have been mental. LOL..Ananda Padebettu.
You both guys seems like loosing the battle. |
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Jul 28, 2010 |
Relations between Great Britain and India is unique and precious. - Max n Jerry
Unique? Precious like how? Will they return us the Kohinoor? Will they return us the wealth they stole from Indians as a nation? Don't make me laugh, folks!
Now we have the Brit PM in India with a begging bowl! Take it from me, the UK is a nation of decadence and the forsaken rats set sail to Dubai/Abu Dhabi coz they need NO passport! Aakir mein, baap- behen ki shaadi hai na! |
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium |
Jul 28, 2010 |
| Babu Moshai - it looks like you are writing out of frustration! |
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium |
Jul 28, 2010 |
Guru - Use your connections to find out me at Brussels, I still call you as fake, why do you have any problem, how can a person be Mangalorean? Vegetrians are more aggressive than non vegetarians, history have proved it? enda mone devwasam undo?
High Commission at Brussels is kisi ka baap ka jaagir nahin. |
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| Smitha Rai, UAE |
Jul 28, 2010 |
I shall take it as a challenge and write to the High Commission at Brussels to find out whether such a person exists in their records. I have sufficient connections.@ guru
guru'jee, are ur connections from the kasargod embassy? one site made an articl about kasargod fake passorts. same connections na? |
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| Bonnie, USA |
Jul 28, 2010 |
Is it not a false statement Bonnie? Is there harmony between tribes in Africa? -Guru
Guru,
Did you understand the context or are you trying to draw attention by your maundering.
Not so blessed are the attention seekers when they are ignored. |
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| Guru, India |
Jul 28, 2010 |
Chris Rego,
You eat whatever you like and love. Who am I to guide others.
I wrote, what I felt as right and judicious.
Somewhere I read:
Two researchers, Mr. Osborne and Mr. Mendel, did some of the earliest studies on protein. They discovered that rats grew faster on high protein animal foods compared with vegetables. In 1940 the myth grew. Researchers discovered that ten amino acids were essential to the growth of rats. These ten acids were complete only in meat, eggs, poultry, etc. The message seemed clear, eat more meat, poultry, cheese, milk and eggs. They experimented with amino acids and found that the proportion which produced the fastest growth was similar to that of the egg.
What they failed to consider is that rat's milk is 8-11% protein compared with human milk at 2.5% protein. Also, infants double their birth weight in 180 days while rats double their birth weight in 4 to 5 days. No one thought to consider that a healthy diet for a rat could be a health threat to humans.
The National Egg Board was delighted with Osborne’s and Mendel’s conclusions. Through these two experiments and a few million dollars in advertising, the doctrine became established, Animal protein is superior to vegetable protein. The health risk associated with a high protein diet was ignored, and cancer continued to increase.
I do not know whether I can rely upon this or not. Yet, I feel vegetarianism is safe and better. Indigestion will be less for we people who do not toil in the fields for 8 to 10 hours like our ancestors in sun and in rains.
I only say that let us take care of our health by healthy food than tasty food.... |
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| Kiran, USA |
Jul 28, 2010 |
I do not think Praveen wanted to advocate Jain food. He further was trying to say even plants are living things without nervous system (nerves transmit pain). --Peter D'Souza
I think you are new to EYT. Praveen Pinto has already brought up this argument that plants have a nervous system and O R Pai had answered it appropriately comparing the nervous system of plants and animals. If you want to jump in, at least be informed of the context. So, if he is really interested in not killing plants, there are plenty of vegetarian alternatives where the plant is not killed. How hard is it to understand such a simple concept ? |
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| Raghava Achar, India |
Jul 28, 2010 |
Peter D'Souza,
I understand your concern of plants and killing animals.
As far as my limited knowledge takes me, I understand that if you cut a branch of a plant or a tree, the plant can recoup with another or more branches. but the same is not happening in the case of animals. If you cut a leg or finger of an animal or human, another or more of it will not come out like in the case of plants.
With my limited outlook i am placing before you my thinking. Please offer your time to review. |
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| Kiran, USA |
Jul 28, 2010 |
It looks like you have to go for a course on spirituality to discover your true self. --Bonnie
Switching topics, eh ? How is this supposed to connect to the rigged audience in that fake debate ? No problem. We can switch topics. So, if you know who you are (not in terms of attributes or taxonomy), please let us all know. |
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| Kiran, USA |
Jul 28, 2010 |
Kiran - Hindu haters what is that? ...I believe in Humanity sans Brahmins so I do not believe in caste, sub caste --VRS
VRS, You say you believe in Humanity minus one caste, but do not believe in caste ? Please comment on your caste @http://mangalorean.com/news.php?newstype=local&newsid=189182
We figured out your idea of God as an old bearded man in the sky based on your response. Similarly, we will figure out the nature of your hatred based on your comments. |
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| N.S.Shenoy (Nandavar), India |
Jul 28, 2010 |
written by some original thinkers as opposed to those who pull out some magical gimmicks from wikipedia.
www.dalith.org
www.dalithindia.org
--BONNIE, USA
What a folly Bonnie?
You are quoting sites where you have no voice but a commie spell! They are neither original but by freaks who have no knowledge of any language. They have'nt read the texts nor know the basics of sanskrit language.
In Wikipedia you have open field to review and submit your views. |
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| Charath, India |
Jul 28, 2010 |
Kiranji, Great Russian agressor Stalin period All Religious Activity Banned over many decades, All Citizens adopted path of Communism, No one could spoke about it,
Kiran Your Posts shows less patriotic for Your own citizens, More Concern About African States, You Should Vacate from Wild West,[US.$$$$] Better if you help less fortunate people of Burma Or Bangladesh. |
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| D.P.Kumar, India |
Jul 28, 2010 |
What would be your reaction had he done so?-George, Kuwait
I must pay the fine for I have violated the "No parking" instructions.
Once earlier I have written in this forum how I have paid the fine.
“ I passed my test on the 1st attempt” Chris Rego.
I would always expect you to come out with flying colours in first attempt.
And you are the right person to spell out the right and lefts of driving as well as rules.
I too have a habit of watching through the middle and right mirror while reversing. Yet, some times I ask someone to watch for fear that suddenly a vehicle may come. Or a child may run behind which I may miss in one or the other view. |
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| Peter D'Souza, India |
Jul 28, 2010 |
You were concerned about killing plants, and if you really are concerned and not arguing just for the sake of arguing, then you can switch to Jain food. - Kiran to Praveen pinto.
Looks like Kiran has the ability (what a waste of talent) to twist and turn the argument to the point of absurdity.
I do not think Praveen wanted to advocate Jain food. He further was trying to say even plants are living things without nervous system (nerves transmit pain).
I did not find Praveen twisting arguments but I find it utterly deplorable the way you have been conducting counter arguments over here at EYT. I am of the opinion that in the end it leaves a bitter taste- while I appreciate EYT as a forum to share our thoughts and voice them, I think we need to restrain overselves and at one point agree to disagree and not indulge in pointless arguments to prove a point.
This goes to all those who indulge in it but especially Kiran. |
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| Bonnie, USA |
Jul 28, 2010 |
The other example that you gave "debate between Dinesh D'souza and Hitchens", based on the information you provided, looks pretty much rigged - Kiran,
Kiran,
It looks like you have to go for a course on spirituality to discover your true self. For too long you have been living in a perpetual denial. Others have discovered your true self, which is living in denials and the perpetual contrarian that you are. The old adage "Physician heal thyself", especially of contradictions might be a good starting point. This is what happens to those who shoot from the hip by dishing out some links from wikepedia. Immanuel Kant and Soren Keikegard must be rolling over in their graves by sensing all smoke and no fire logic enunciated by you.
By the way I do not not trust very much for the auhenticity of wikipedia after it mischaracterised a person who was speaking against homosexuality as a homosexual activist (advocate for homosexual rights).
Now let me suggest you some links for a change. How about the following links. They are written by some original thinkers as opposed to those who pull out some magical gimmicks from wikipedia.
www.dalith.org
www.dalithindia.org
It may provide some refereshingly different direction. Did I see the galloping horse wrenching in shrill voice by seeing the speed breakers or will the jockey on the horse brandish his sword of words without regard for any signs of being on wrong track. Or, is the jockey bent upon writing himself into irrelevancy. Meteor in the sky may lighten the horizon spectacularly but they fade into oblivion sooner than later. |
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| Kulkarni, India |
Jul 28, 2010 |
Spanish bulfighting ban can be found here
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38444092/ns/world_news-europe/ |
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| Krishna, India |
Jul 28, 2010 |
The Anti Brahmin virus is spreading very rapidly in EYT. This is a deadly bug resembles like a Rabies virus.
Listen, in the modern world there is nothing like upper caste or lower caste. There is only upper class (rich) and the lower class (poor). That is all. |
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| Guru, India |
Jul 28, 2010 |
Guru - Fake names - what name do you have? -VRS blames me thinking all are FAKES like him.
I am not fake like you VRS.
My name is Guruvandan. I am from Kasaragod. I come almost daily to Mangalore on business. My hobbies are reading and watching people playing. I am a vegetarian.
You play hide and seek.
If you are not fake, what prevents you from furnishing your e mail ID? We can avoid this forum from Brahmin hate.
If you are serious in your comment calling me Fake, I shall take it as a challenge and write to the High Commission at Brussels to find out whether such a person exists in their records. I have sufficient connections. |
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| Guru, India |
Jul 28, 2010 |
RSS is of right wing mindset like the conservatives with light-house candles like Dinesh D Souza.
RSS do oppose the left and liberals as well atheists.
Dinesh D'Souza fits in RSS well, if he would have lived in India. |
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| Guru, India |
Jul 28, 2010 |
a student from African country. He posed the following question to Hitchens: What do the atheists have to offer to us. Before the missionaries came to our land, we wre cannibals and our population was decreasing. And, now we have harmony among the different tribes of the land" Bonnie quotes from a debate with Dinesh D'Souza
Is it not a false statement Bonnie? Is there harmony between tribes in Africa?
This is incomparable to Indian context at any degree. (Exception-Nagaland ofcourse). |
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| Ananda Padebettu, Mumbai, India |
Jul 28, 2010 |
I should have hired a spy to keep an eye on you because RSS chelas are not to believed at any point.-VRS.
It looks like you fall under category of unemployed Youth. (;-D) |
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium |
Jul 28, 2010 |
| Kiran - Hindu haters what is that? I thought India is called Hindustan and all the Indians are Hindus geographically, how did you be so ignorant, may be you are furious because you are the protector of the religion as you claim. |
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium |
Jul 28, 2010 |
| Kiran - I do not claim anything that I never do, like you and your masters in RSS, I do speak from my heart and without any fear I do it. You guys have only one motto that is RSS and RSS did I ring the bell? I have read your comments seems like you are zealot of RSS and you never accepted my challenge to write your full name and place where do you live? |
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium |
Jul 28, 2010 |
| Babu Moshai and duplicate Pai - It is my challenge to you to prove what you both claim? it is my challenge even you can take help of anyone. Accept it or leave it. |
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| Kiran, USA |
Jul 28, 2010 |
I believe in Humanity sans Brahmins so I do not believe in caste, sub caste --VRS
How about commenting on that mangalorean.com article where your real or fake community, caste, sub caste attacked Dalits. Based on that we can figure out if you are a Hindu hater or Caste warrior instead of the fake claim of Humanity. |
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| Kiran, USA |
Jul 28, 2010 |
Is it because God found among all his creations, only the earth is polluted by the so called humans, the best creations of God? --AJR
You mean humans are the most evolved? Based on all the conflicts on the face of the earth, that is highly doubtful. BTW considering the billions of galaxies out there and each galaxy containing billions to trillions of stars in them, do you really believe that we are the most advanced civilization in the Universe? |
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| Kiran, USA |
Jul 28, 2010 |
Mr Kiran, I am glad that at last you agree that plants are also killed for food. But why should I switch over to Jain food? --Praveen Pinto
Facts remain facts, whether I agree or not. You were concerned about killing plants, and if you really are concerned and not arguing just for the sake of arguing, then you can switch to Jain food. But it looks like you don't really care and were arguing just for the sake of arguing? |
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| Kiran, USA |
Jul 28, 2010 |
You accuse of the local culture being destroyed by foreign aggressors; do you know why the Mayan civilization vanished from the face of the earth. There were no aggressors or any missionaries. --Bonnie to OR Pai
Where did you get this information that there were no foreign aggressors that destroyed the Mayan and Aztec civilizations. I really hope there is no Faux History Channel like Faux News. Here are two Wikipedia links that can shed some light on the Spanish conquests (I am not talking about the Inquisition).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_conquest_of_Yucat%C3%A1n
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_conquest_of_the_Aztec_Empire
and a bonus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_conquest_of_the_Inca_Empire
The other example that you gave "debate between Dinesh D'souza and Hitchens", based on the information you provided, looks pretty much rigged. Unless this student from Africa is totally clueless of the actual ground realities of the African continent (or brainwashed), there is no way he could not have known the actuality which is exactly the opposite. Do you have any idea of how many people are losing their lives in the name of religion (Christian, Muslim conflicts) almost on a daily basis? Do you think external religion (and politics) was not involved in the Hutu-Tutsi strife in Rwanda ? Do you think external religious influences were not contributing reasons for the Darfur genocide ? Have you heard about the Lords Resistance Army ? Have you heard of the Holy Spirit Movement ? You see how the worlds cultures and religions are being wiped out by some aggressive religions and condemned to museums all over the world. |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Jul 28, 2010 |
Spain to ban bullfighting? Hope they get enough votes to ban the animal abuse and slaughter in the name of 'fun'.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe/07/27/spain.barcelona.bullfight.ban/index.html?hpt=C2 |
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| Austin Noronha, Qatar |
Jul 28, 2010 |
| Tony since when did "Reasoning" become a childish tantrum? This is news to me. Do you have any idea what reasoning is or you too ape & gape the unintelligent primitive ancient people's doctrine? If you think these ancient people were intelligent then why couldn't they invent all the technologies we have today? Only grown ups reason kids don't so I am not surprised with your childish kind of comment. |
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| Ananda Padebettu, Mumbai, India |
Jul 28, 2010 |
You need some urgent medical attention man!-Shenoy maam.
Shenoy maam,
Theer is something wrong. Instead of medical, it must have been mental. LOL |
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| Ananda Padebettu, Mumbai, India |
Jul 28, 2010 |
The real author hides behind these fake hindu/bunt names to make sarcastic comments and create confusion. - Pai maam
Pai maam,
I am well aware of this fact. When cat drinks milk, it thinks that none is noticing it. However, it is not aware that it is dealing with the creatures which is far better knowledgable than itself.
Criminal always leaves traces no matter how big his thinking in crimes. ... |
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium |
Jul 28, 2010 |
| Babu Mohsai - it is my pleasure that you did not accept my offer, It would have given hard time because you are follower of RSS so I should have hired a spy to keep an eye on you because RSS chelas are not to believed at any point. |
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium |
Jul 28, 2010 |
Kiran- as I told earlier many times that I believe in Humanity sans Brahmins so I do not believe in caste, sub caste or any other issues that discriminate humans rather than Brahmins. Why not lower caste people are still not allowed to enter the temples can you tell me why?
I thought you are that much interested to join me to understand better RSS and Brahmins but it looks like you are like others in this forum could not take up my challenge. This shows your mentality. |
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| Alfred J. Rebello, , India |
Jul 28, 2010 |
Sometimes I noticed some saying I am a RSS, SRS and BJP Basher. But why? Do these organizistsations truthfully follow what their initials stand for?
RSS - Rashtria Swayam Sevak. Do they serve all those who belongs to the Rashtria Or only those few who call themselves upper class?
SRS - Sri Rama Sene, though there is no any historical proof of existance of Rama as per archaeologist (I Read in news channel), Rama sacrificed his life for the sake of others and not taken others life for his sake, as said in Ramayana. Do this SRS people follow it?
BJP - Bharatia Janata Party. Is it really? Again, BJP considers only few upper class people are Bharatia. Rest are not. |
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| Alfred J. Rebello,, India |
Jul 28, 2010 |
Why is god bothered only about the earth and why is he? not bothered about other heavenly bodies... --Austin Noronha, Qatar.
Is it because God found among all his creations, only the earth is polluted by the so called humans, the best creations of God? (Perhaps God thought like that, humans are the best creations of his) Rest of the other heavenly bodies are still trustworthy to him perhaps, where as most of the humans are not! |
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| K Shenoy, India |
Jul 27, 2010 |
Universities in Belgium could provide PHD for such a great philosopher.
phd means passed with high difficultiy or poisonous with high density.....what ananda? |
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| K Shenoy, India |
Jul 27, 2010 |
VRS, I had revealed my full name and E-mail id as well, and still you think I write with fictitious name here. You are also not interested in contacting me by e-mail and said you come to Bruseels! Of late you learnt the spelling properly after some education from Brahmins like myself!
You need some urgent medical attention man! |
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| Tony, USA |
Jul 27, 2010 |
| Guru was asking for a thoughtful response not a childish tantrum. |
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| George Regp, Kuwait |
Jul 27, 2010 |
| But he was within his rights to penalize you. What would be your reaction had he done so? |
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium |
Jul 27, 2010 |
| Babu Moshai - There will be chance for me to win the most browsed name in the internet and what made me so famous is brahmins and RSS, so now you do understood that how powerfull I am, thanks for googling and universities in Belgium is not for sale like the universities in India, In India they do sell PHD, in Belgium you need to struggle and get and by the way do you know that your leader Raj Tackery went to admit his son in a english school and when asked his spokesman told that he is acting like a father. This is RSS and parties duplicity now you better understand. |
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| Praveen Pinto, India |
Jul 27, 2010 |
If you also agree that you do not want to harm plant life too, you can switch to Jain food. You do not have to kill the plant to eat Fruits, Vegetables and grains.- Kiran USA.
Mr Kiran, I am glad that at last you agree that plants are also killed for food. But why should I switch over to Jain food? I neither have any problem with hunting or killing plants/animals for food nor do I have any religious compulsion like you. |
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| Bonnie, USA |
Jul 27, 2010 |
I liked your talk on ‘liberating people from chains of oppressions’. You sound so much like your masters who have been doing this for centuries now -Pai
Pai,
Your quote couldn’t be more out of context. Where did I say that it is outsiders who liberated the lower sections? It is the very leadership which emerged from the lower sections which had to fight the injustices imposed on them by being kept under the pretext of holier than thou attitude. So, do not be under the impression that it is the RSS which reached out to them (the lower sections) with olive branch. If RSS was such a benevolent organisation as you claim, where is the voice from it on issues such as female foeticide, dowry system, women's empowerment, caste system and plethora of other issues. Its only agenda is strengthening the strong by weakening the social fabric of India by rabble-rousing rhetoric. Try to put spin as hard as you may, it just doesn’t add up. You, who seem to carp so much about the Indian culture, did you happen to read the article on polyandry which is still in vogue in certain parts of India, which was reported by NYTimes, just a few days ago. Culture is not monolithic as you claim it to be. It could be said that culture is the sum of product of different traditions practiced as deemed fit (adapted) by different sections of society. Offering some simplistic arguments is just puerile and is against the merit of attention which the complex issues deserve. Of course, you can keep repeating the same old pabulum and spin some insidious conspiracy theories and say that they are intnded to malign the culture by raising the maudlin emotions.
Now, coming to Indian reservoirs in US, I have met a lot of Native Americans. In fact, I asked one of the tribal chieftains in particular if they have been benefited from the reserved lands and his response was - it has been a mixed blessing. Mixed because, on the one hand we have resources and on the other hand we have been spoiled by the wealth generated by these resources by resorting to drunkenness and orgies. According to one estimates, one of the reservoirs in Colorado generated almost $700 millions in royalties in 2008 (by selling natural gas and oil) to one of the tribes. Most of the other tribes have permission to run the casinos on their reservoirs; not a very novel idea to generate income considering the ill effects of this business. However, that is what they want to do. So, the picture is not what you portray it to be. You are capturing the headlines and presenting the picture at the macro level (what happened at the political/national) at the same time ignoring the checkered history at the ground level (individual/ society).
You accuse of the local culture being destroyed by foreign aggressors; do you know why the Mayan civilization vanished from the face of the earth. There were no aggressors or any missionaries. If you need a hint, they were always engaged in internecinery fights and engaged in gory practice of child sacrifices (you can study it for yourself). Do you know why the Aztec civilisation was almost on the verge of extinction? Again, for the very same reason, they were engaged in inhuman practice of offering the infants as sacrifice to the deities. According to one estimate, an average family was sacrificing anywhere in between five to seven infants to deities. It is very easy to miss the picture and select whatever suits one's own prejudices and present a picture which is far drawn from the reality at the ground level.
Let me give another example here. In the debate between Dinesh D'souza and Hitchens, one of the questions asked from the audience was from a student from African country. He posed the following question to Hitchens: What do the atheists have to offer to us. Before the missionaries came to our land, we wre cannibals and our population was decreasing. And, now we have harmony among the different tribes of the land( you can get a transcript of this debate, you should be able to get it if you goolge it).
Guess what, Hittchens, with all this rhetoric had no answer. He was caught on the backfoot. My point is, do not shout from the rooftop without knowing what is going on at the ground level. At the ground level, the issues are far from what they appear to the distant eyes. I can go on writing on this forever, having studied some of the gory practices followed by some of the African tribes. However, I have neither the inclination nor the time to do so. On the closing note though, I would like to add, as depraved as the practice of slavery was, more depraved was the practice followed by the chieftains of African tribes who made the people to breed like animals to sell them to the slave traders. My point is, every picture is multi-dimensional. You do not get a picture with one dimension (you just get a straight line)
I have no time to continue discuss this topic any further. I have made my points as succinctly as possible to highlight some of the important issues as to why I differ from the vagaries presented by you. |
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| Kiran, USA |
Jul 27, 2010 |
Laws of the land are rather selective, aren't they, mate? --Chris Rego, UAE
Sure, they are. I like how you say "Live and let live" and yes, that would be the better standards of maturity of human beings towards other co-inhabitants. I know you did not post this as a direct question to me, but it looks like you are hinting a question - where do we draw the line of not killing other creatures like pests which destroy our crops or may harm us in other ways. The answer is very simple. It is called Universal Dharma. It is based on the simple rule - You do not like to get hurt and you know others do not like to get hurt either. So, it is the principle of least harm (somewhat similar to the golden rule). At every step, we choose the action that causes the least harm to all parties involved including oneself. Ahimsa paramo dharma.
The so-called "Hindu hatred" is YOUR perception and your prerogative. --Chris Rego
I listed three points that might qualify based on context and if you read my post carefully, I said "If it is just Hindu hatred, you can join the Belgium Bhajan Band on EYT". You might have missed the big IF. |
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| Kiran, USA |
Jul 27, 2010 |
Why is god bothered only about the earth and why is he? not bothered about other heavenly bodies... --Austin Noronha, Qatar
There are several meanings to heavenly bodies (I am sure you can figure that out, besides many Hindu Gods are happily married :) and are not bothered about other heavenly bodies. The bachelor/bachelorette gods may still be looking for that perfect match). Jokes apart, earth is our living habitat and we have to keep our house in order. I think Guru's quotes were meant for people who copy and paste lines from other scriptures. |
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| Kiran, USA |
Jul 27, 2010 |
Swami Kiran - I am ready to sponsor you to Belgium take a ride and we can sit and discuss about your RSS and its works. --VRS
....I am born to a family that has bunt name. I do hate Brahmins .... --VRS to Guru
Sorry, I am not interested to join your Hindu hating club or caste warfare and if you feel you hate only Hindus that belong to your caste (if that is really your caste as you claim), let us see your response to the following article on mangalorean.com
http://mangalorean.com/news.php?newstype=local&newsid=189182
Your prompt response will help us figure out whether it is Hindu hatred or Caste warfare. |
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| Om Shetty, India |
Jul 27, 2010 |
V.R.Shetty
I think you r watching to much News Chanels.
Yesterday both "sickular" channels Times Now and CNN IBN showed their "true colours" Arnab Goswami of Times Now interviewed Patel who spoke like "parrot". CNN-IBN showed so called sting operation which was full of sound and fury signifying nothing. 20,000 pages of charge sheet was ready before summoning Amit Shah. Entire Media and Congress party are sparing no efforts to discredit GUJARAT. In the present Govt. there is no cabinet minister from Gujarat [There are 3 ministers of state with minor portfolios]. Congress can't dream of winning support of Gujarati people. Congress is paying heavy to the news channels. It is hidden election campaign. BJP does not have any pro-BJP or even a neutral news channel. |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Jul 27, 2010 |
Dear Ananda P, Guru and others,
Please note that "VRS(Shetty)" is not the first incident of a fake 'Bunt' name on this forum. Remember those 'Rai' sisters? The real author hides behind these fake hindu/bunt names to make sarcastic comments and create confusion. For those regular readers, it is not really hard to figure out who the real 'VRS' or 'Smitha Rai' is!!
'Divide and rule' is what his masters did for centuries. No wonder he is trying the same 'old trick' really hard here.
Smiles... |
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| Ananda Padebettu, Mumbai, India |
Jul 27, 2010 |
Thanks for your suggestion I will surely look into it and I will make sure that you will made as CEO of that consultancy-VRS
Thanks for the offer. However, I will not accept the CEO post in a company formed by people who represent 6 letter word with S in the begining and D in the end.
It is my displeasure. LOL |
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| Judith L, India |
Jul 27, 2010 |
| Mr. Dinesh Kamath, I have always been stressing that all politicians are no good. U R right in British days, atleast people had food to eat and shelter. These days both are gone above the reach of common man. TODAY, THE LAND OF FARMERS ARE BEING TAKEN AWAY OFCOURSE THEY ARE COMPENSATED LESS OR slightly more FOR MONEY BUT WITHIN A COUPLE OF YEARS PURCHASE OF EVEN 10 CENTS WILL BE DIFFICULT FOR ALL COMMON MAN. In Mumbai, It is out of reach for low income group people to buy even a 1 room kitchen. There are some people on this platform who to please their masters will always shout that their masters are the best let the common man go to hell. |
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium |
Jul 27, 2010 |
Guru - Fake names - what name do you have? why you do not have courage to write your full name and town/city/village. I have seen that only people with fictious name like you, Fake Pai and Shenoy R, Shenoy K , and Kiran are bent on names while they do not wish to write their full name in this forum. You are obessed with me, I am born to a family that has bunt name. I do hate Brahmins who have hatred to non brahmins and other Hindus. This is forum and webmaster is deciding what to post and not to post and why that makes you to sob is it because I am behind your masters.
If you are that much interested to know about me take a trip to Brussels, SOTC might help me and one thing all the expenses should be paid you Guru Swami. |
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium |
Jul 27, 2010 |
| Babu Moshai - I am good at bashing Brahmins and their chelas. Thanks for your suggestion I will surely look into it and I will make sure that you will made as CEO of that consultancy because it is your brain child thanks for giving me the idea. |
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| Ananda Padebettu, Mumbai, India |
Jul 27, 2010 |
Your continuous hate campaign with malafide intention and fake name and place do speak on your character and birth traits. Some examples from your recent posts of past 10 days: - Guru.
Just Google Brahmins + RSS. You will get VRS's name. Probably he does not know any other subject to comment. Universities in Belgium could provide PHD for such a great philosopher.
We are proud Mangaloreans awating to read that news in Mangalorean.com.
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium |
Jul 27, 2010 |
Guru Swami- Thanks for the research work and I am very proud that you had spared your valued time on me.
I have had made clear that for all the mess in India RSS is responsible, they have reaped the hatred seed and they have to bear it and further you can dig into the history and I am sure that you will even turn anti-RSS man too like me.
I have had personal problem with RSS and Brahmins, when you will have you will turn more agressive than me. |
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty , Belgium |
Jul 27, 2010 |
| Chris - Kiran Swami has one rule what ever he is telling is right if others tell him that do not get down from his throat. |
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| Ananda Padebettu, Mumbai, India |
Jul 27, 2010 |
Are there no humans born in Brahmin community working for Congress, Samajwadi, Communists? - Guru.
Guru,
You can't convince the person who has attained "Supreme Knowledge". "Sarwajna Peetha" has shifted its seat to Belgium from Kashmir.
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium |
Jul 27, 2010 |
| Om Shetty - So BJP is bent on Home ministers like AMit Shah and V. S Acharya? let me ask you during NDA regime how many were killed or got justice by the government. You should understand that all the parties eye for vote bank politics and who gave the authority to Amit Shah? |
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| Om Shetty, India |
Jul 27, 2010 |
Mr V.R.Shetty
Killing a hardcore criminal is a big crime in India. Though Sohrabuddin was keeping AK-47, pistol, LeT instruction notes , have 40 crimnal cases booked in his name, wanted by 5 states in India – police is not suppose to kill him unless he is proved to be a terrorist. Police must wait until Sohrabuddin shoot 1000 innocent people and prove himself as terrorist. This is the NAKED LAW of India. India is the soft target of terrorists because we have a political party called congress led by sonia, raul, mms & co. that supports TERRORISM. Congress is bent to protect these so called INNOCENT men of criminals for vote.
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| Krishna, India |
Jul 27, 2010 |
| VRS- You have all the characters of a typical racist. Probably you don’t get sleep till you pass a racist remark against some one. It is a bit of surprise why you preferred this forum to attack a particular community. I have lots of sympathies for you. Because sooner or later you will realize that racism is a disease |
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Jul 27, 2010 |
If you have a real point, you can make your point. If it is just Hindu hatred, you can join the Belgium Bhajan Band on EYT. - Kiran
Once again, it is YOU who fails to make a point. Laws of the land are rather selective, aren’t they, mate? 7 years imprisonment for possessing beef and there is a non-bailable offense! Murderers and rapists can get bail but some poor chap who consumes beef is left to rot! Ahem! Says quite a bit of “laws of the land/Humanitarian laws/whatever”, don’t they? Rules of the land – my left foot!
Our man from Belgium is an avid fan of Linkin Park and hence loves pasting links. If you don’t like them, you can always ignore them mate. He has a couple of points to make and state and he is doing that well within the rights accorded to him by the Webmaster. So be it. Live and learn to let live.
The so-called "Hindu hatred" is YOUR perception and your prerogative. I suggest a dip in the Ganga on your next visit.
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| Austin Noronha, Qatar |
Jul 27, 2010 |
30And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.-Guru
Why is god bothered only about the earth and why is he? not bothered about other heavenly bodies and why doesn't he? mention anything about the planets of the solar system and other millions of solar systems of our milky way galaxy and similarly millions of galaxies of this vast universe. I really pity the aliens on other earth like planets who have no one to tell them what to eat and what not to eat. What a pity that they have no god at all. Lucky are the human beings on this earth who has someone to tell them what to eat and what not to eat when animals and birds seem to know by themselves what to eat and what not to eat. Cripes!!! how come human beings seem to be lesser intelligent than animals??? Amazing!!! Isn't it swamy kiran and other preachers of religions. Now do I hear you all saying Cripes!!! This guy makes sense or you will come up with more nonsense to defend the indefensible. Let's see who is that person to whom god has revealed these secrets. |
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| Guru, India |
Jul 27, 2010 |
I Fall in Human category-@VRS ??
On 16-7-2010 you wrote “RSS, PFI and any other organisations that divide India should be banned and all their leaders should be arrested and kept in Jail.”
Now what are you doing in this forum? Almost every day you write to divide India in to Brahmins and Non-Brahmins. Are all Brahmins same? Are there no humans born in Brahmin community working for Congress, Samajwadi, Communists?
Your continuous hate campaign with malafide intention and fake name and place do speak on your character and birth traits. Some examples from your recent posts of past 10 days:
25-7-2010- What about the mess done by Brahmins in this forum?
24-7-10 - but brahmins will never accept the fact because it is their food and they are not ready to accept it. Where will Brahmins go if there is no temples for their survival?
23-7-2010 -(1)Austin- You need to understand Brahmins and their chelas game, see none have said anything about the outlook published article, so I think you should be well prepared with some links like Swami Kiran and duplicate pai
(2) Ketan - You are Ketan fan of RSS and Brahmins, make sure your wings are perfect if not they will dismantle it.
19-7-2010 - RSS has sold the nation for money and brahmins still call it as a patrotic organistions sans minorities, lower caste Hindus and dalits.
16-7-10 - Nagendra - Doors for brahmins will be shut unless they take off their hatred for non-brahmins.
16-7-10 - Brotha... you are right RSS and Brahmins have started the hatred and terrorism in India
Can you be human when you criticize only one section without touching inhuman acts of other sections? It proves your partisan attitude.
Let me wish and hope, you will try to be gentle and real human in future.
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Jul 27, 2010 |
I understand from one of my relatives working in Dubai, that he could not get the driving licence there even after 2 attempts. - DP
Driving tests are very stringent in the UAE and other Gulf states. However, the rules vary a bit. For eg. - In Kuwait, when you reverse, you are not supposed to look over your shoulder as it should be done ONLY by looking into the 3 mirrors. However, in the UAE, one is allowed to look back while reversing.
In Kuwait, I had taken up my driving test - a direct road test since I possessed an Indian license. (You are allowed just 1 direct road test and if you fail it, it is back to driving school even if you are Michael Schumacher!) Anyway, I passed my test on the 1st attempt itself. A chap who was a Heavy Duty Driver in Iraq for 12 years and had taken up his test the same time as me failed! A colleague of mine took up his test 12 times in a span of 3 years to get his driving license. I was lucky once again - I got it in my 1st attempt.
To be honest, driving in India and out here in the Gulf are two different things. In India, there is absolutely no regard for lane discipline, the use of hi-beams, parking, honking, over-speeding, etc.
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| D.P.Kumar, India |
Jul 27, 2010 |
"...policemen will have some pocket warming.
Policemen feels happy when each law is implemented. It opens them more opportunities of making sum."- Ahmed on Police.
Ahmed, I am happy to note that of late there is great change in the attitude of police. I observe that majority of new recruits have a sense to remain clean and people friendly.
Only some seniors in traffic and inspectors appear to continue the bad habit.
I have one of my recent experiences. It is probably on the 14th or 15th of this month at A B Shetty circle. Just to buy "Taranga " weekly I stopped my car on the road side near a petty shop (Near Raghavendra Complex). When I came back, a traffic police of younger generation was standing near my car. He told me that it is "No-Parking" place and showed me the board. I thought he may be of the category what you thought expecting bribe.
I told him that I have stopped just to buy the magazine. I was little bit upset at the problems we face in Mangalore on parking vehicles.
I asked him back "where I have to park the vehicle".
He politely told me to park at space opposite Paradigm Plaza. There the space was fully occupied.
The old " No Parking " board at that place was not removed.
I shot back -"There also "No-Parking" board is there".
"You are right sir, but I am supposed to see that no vehicles are parked on the roadside as they block traffic".
"Please take away your car sir"- he said.
While leaving I just glanced at his name plate. He was some .....Naik.
How gently that he spoke to me is one thing. He never threatened me of giving ticket. He politely asked me to leave that No-parking spot.
That day, really my heart started feeling sympathies once again at those people who work in sun and rains to keep the "Mangalorean" traffic in control.
The decision to infuse more new blood is sure to cleanse the spoils in the department.
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| Ananda Padebettu, Mumbai, India |
Jul 27, 2010 |
Babu Moshai- When Shenoy's & Pai's has chelas like Babu Moshai, why to import from Belgium or from any other countries?-VRS
V R Scheme from India,
I am well aware that, you are the 1st among the Brahmin bashers rather haters to go out of this country. You can start consultancy at Belgium to sweep more Brahmin opposers out of this country. Ultimately, India will improve. All the best LOL. At least Belgium is the country with low unemployement rate.
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium |
Jul 27, 2010 |
Swami Kiran - I am ready to sponsor you to Belgium take a ride and we can sit and discuss about your RSS and its works.
Here is the link for your hero Modi http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,395414,00.html
Make sure that you did not marry like him when he was a kid - child marriages are illegal in India and US also. |
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium |
Jul 27, 2010 |
| Duplicate Pai here is the link for RSS and the author can be reached on email so write her email and ask her what made her to write against RSS - http://dissidentvoice.org/Articles/AChatterji_DissentAgainstHinduExtremism.htm |
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium |
Jul 27, 2010 |
| Ohhhhh - Nagendra has recruited Guru to write for him - may be Nagendra is too busy counting the money of Mohan Bhagwat took from ISI and Guru to got the share from Nagendra - good going guys |
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| D.P.Kumar, India |
Jul 27, 2010 |
I dont mind if you even conduct driving tests of those who already holding driving licenses, -Ahmed
Correct advice. I understand from one of my relatives working in Dubai, that he could not get the driving licence there even after 2 attempts. He has Indian DL and has been driving cars in DK for couple of years. Dubai is not lenient as our RTO Inspectors!
Secondly, I observe that most of the drivers of buses, cars, autos and two wheelers do not follow the overtaking rules. They overtake from any side and drive on roads as they please. Some slow drivers go on the right and do not allow others to overtake from their right and some go driving fast from left.
The buses come fast, cross from right and turn to left slow down immediately and use instant break !
It is high time, the RTO calls all for second test. |
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium |
Jul 27, 2010 |
I fall to Human category - I do not fall to your group where you see only hatred and hatred may be you have it is in your blood... I belong to human race and without any religion, subcaste.. got it chap you should ask that questions with RSS chelas.
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| Kiran, USA |
Jul 27, 2010 |
I fail to understand the rationale behind equating MODI and RSS criticisms with Hindu hatred. --Peter D'Souza
May I suggest that you borrow the thinking cap from Chris Rego ? But then again, what will you do with the cap if you fail to read the posts as they are ? I copied and pasted 3 items from his post and yes Narendra Modi was one of the three. You missed the other two and added RSS for your convenience ? VRS has been offering (free? no?) tickets to Belgium.
I have not encountered any one here showing hatred towards Hindu's ( well.. Brahmins may be --Peter
Either you are new to EYT or selective amnesia or you are an integral part of the common trend here found in some elite members. They read different from what is said. If it says vegetarian, they hear RSS, Hindu, Brahmins. If it says Spirituality (study of Self) they hear Religion, God, Bholenath. If it says freedom of religion, they hear freedom to convert. If I say, it is a government of the people, by the people, for the people, they reply that it is a government of the Hindus, by the Hindus, for the Hindus (By the way, did you miss that masterpiece very recently here at EYT?) Keep reading with an open mind and you will sniff all flavors of Hindu hatred.
This perhaps epitomizes the pointless assumptions and rationalizations and counter arguments to the point of futility. --Peter.
You said it, my dear friend. Now we can figure out where it applies. |
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| Alfred J. Rebello,, India |
Jul 27, 2010 |
I was so glad to be back to EYT but my happiness was short lived when I saw yeddi protecting reddy. - Austin.
Austin, do not feel bad. Yeddy needs Reddy to protect his Cheddy. Nobody wants to move around without it unless they compare themselves to other creatures you know. God created human with a difference and therefore we need cheddy to protect us, so nobody will come from behind you know. |
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| Peter D'Souza, India |
Jul 27, 2010 |
If you have a real point, you can make your point. If it is just Hindu hatred, you can join the Belgium Bhajan Band on EYT.- Kiran.
I am as amazed as Dinesh about the E.Y.T heating up with right wing discussions.
But I guess this above statement by Kiran really prompted me to comment about the futility of arguments.
I fail to understand the rationale behind equating MODI and RSS criticisms with Hindu hatred.
I have not encountered any one here showing hatred towards Hindu's ( well.. Brahmins may be - but that can be an outlier).
How can RSS haters and Modi haters (or who are critical of the whole jing bang of right wing activism) can be against Hindu's?
This perhaps epitomizes the pointless assumptions and rationalizations and counter arguments to the point of futility. |
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| Tony, USA |
Jul 26, 2010 |
| "Vegetarianism is harmless enough, though it is apt to fill a man with wind and self righteousness." - Robert Hutchinson |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Jul 26, 2010 |
“Is that what your masters taught you” – Asks Bonnie from USA, fully borrowing my hackneyed phrase – “Masters”!! How convenient!
Bonnie,
I guess the repeated use of words ‘RSS/Hindu/Brahmin’ doesn’t bother you as much as the word ‘Self-hating groups’ does. No – You don’t surprise me at all. I understand your pain and struggle.
I liked your talk on ‘liberating people from chains of oppressions’. You sound so much like your masters who have been doing this for centuries now. I’ve seen how the ‘liberated people from chains of oppression’ live in separate neighborhoods here – If you get a chance, please visit one of the reservations where natives live. Since you are an expert on History, you may also want to talk to one of the natives and get his/her side of the story! Ask them what happened to their language, culture, religion and lifestyle.
I can fully understand your frustrations with RSS. You may not admit – But, you clearly know that RSS is much more than sticks and ‘dolle’ chaddis. You all know that RSS is not Nazi. You all know that RSS is nothing compared to real ‘terrorists’. The real strength of RSS is its ideology and unapologetic pride in their country /culture. RSS has successfully confronted propaganda masters and choked them to submission in the battle of ideas. And, that’s precisely why you can’t stand RSS. |
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| Peter Souza, India |
Jul 26, 2010 |
Veg or no-veg is personal choice. If someone wants to be non-veg then other cannot impose veg on him.
If non veg eating is within limits - one can live 100 years. if veg eating is in excess - that ghee or that starch in excess can bring you early death.
Humans are omnivorous - right from primates to apes to humans we all can digest both. We cannot however digest what cows digest and that is cellulose.
In that sense we cannot be herbiovores. We need our Vitamin B12- either via milk or via non veg source. If we do not have enough of it we get megaloblastic anemia. We need lots of green leaves too- a rich source of folic acid- without which we get pernicious anemia.
So drink adequate milk - if you are a vegan (or sea weed- it has B12) may be eggs too.
Animal meat on the other hand has saturated fat (same fat in ghee or butter) this fat in excess is not good for you if you do not excersize.
PS: Baboons are largely eating veg food in the savanna. Yet come amavasye or punnimegh vora they kill small animals and eat flesh. This perhaps satisfies their need for B12.
One more thing- All of us need out vitaminC. So either you be a pure nonveg plus sherbath drinker( lime - vitamin C) or eat everything in moderation. The choice is yours and not to be imposed by any one. |
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| Kiran, USA |
Jul 26, 2010 |
Khap panchayats are Boy scouts and Narendra Modi is the next Messiah....amgel hindu right --Chris Rego, UAE
If you have a real point, you can make your point. If it is just Hindu hatred, you can join the Belgium Bhajan Band on EYT.
We agreed on INSTINCT and then you talk about LAWS that are made only by Humans to govern others - more often than not, in the guise of religion! --Chris Rego
What agreement on instinct ? This whole discussion about vegetarianism came about with your opposition to the LAWS of the land. Laws against killing other humans are laws of the land and are humanitarian laws, not patented by any religion. If we want to be more compassionate towards cow, we need not drag in any religion to support or oppose basic human compassion. If you want to extend your compassion towards pests, you have my cheers too.
Wish us luck mate....If it is pulled thru by 8 am on wed morn, it will be .... a world record - not just a Limca one! --Chris Rego
Wish you all the best in providing water to Yas island. |
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| Kiran, USA |
Jul 26, 2010 |
Mr Kiran, are you not contradicting yourself? on one hand you say all life is equal and on the other you say plant life is inferior and so is an alternative. --Praveen Pinto
If you also agree that you do not want to harm plant life too, you can switch to Jain food. You do not have to kill the plant to eat Fruits, Vegetables and grains. |
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium |
Jul 26, 2010 |
| I fully support Puttur Dinesh. |
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| Chris rego, UAE |
Jul 26, 2010 |
Is it suggesting vegetarianism or eating meat? .....Guru(Dev) aka Zakir Naik in drag!
Have you read Genesis prior to that, Guruswamy? Ah, a 2 line quoting blunder - you seem to suffer from amnesia like our pal Amir Khan in Ghajini, right? |
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Jul 26, 2010 |
We have laws against killing our own life forms, now as the Indian society matures in its thinking, we can have laws against killing other life forms as well. - Kiran
"As the Indian society matures"? Did I hear you right? What next - Khap panchayats are Boy scouts and Narendra Modi is the next Messiah?
Oh boy! You disappoint me like no other! You flatter to deceive and end up with contradictions galore!
We agreed on INSTINCT and then you talk about LAWS that are made only by Humans to govern others - more often than not, in the guise of religion!
Oh yeah, go tell the folks in India to pass a bill prohibiting pesticides! After all, those pests have life too and have to consume/eat something in order to survive.
Where is room for instinct? What about your previous post to me in response to mine about Descartes' & his rival's theory?
You seem to backtrack pretty quick at your convenience! I guess it's like Pavlov's experiment with his pet mutt! I guess that's what you were referring to when you meant 'conditioning' in your previous post.
I don't want to drag 220% pure mythology and start pulling references again! I'd mentioned in my last post that I'd like to lay off this 'my ass is fairer than your's' syndrome. "Arre, amgel hindu right ani thumgel baud LEFT".
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On a different note, our co is doing the pullback of a 1.7 Km 48" CS water pipeline through a 72" bore 18 - 25 metres below the seabed (depth of h2o to seabed level at deepest point = 18- 25 m) between 2 strategic islands to provide water to Yas island. Wish us luck mate. If it is pulled thru by 8 am on wed morn, it will be the LONGEST pullback/HDD crossing achieved by Horizontally Directional Drilling (HDD) in the entire world! In short, a world record - not just a Limca one!
Do excuse me if I'm incommunicado for a while in between. |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Jul 26, 2010 |
"India is good in making originals from duplicates you know!" - Alfred J Rebello
Dear Alfred,
Though it takes me a few attempts to fully understand what you write, you always leave me with a smile. I have to say - you have some 'original' style of writing!
Keep writing, my friend. |
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| Smitha Rai, UAE |
Jul 26, 2010 |
Wake Up! Sri Rama Sene, the self styled moral police. What are you doing about it? @thomas
thomas'jee, the monkeys with the king kong leader have gone to africa to study habits of their brothers. y shud they b in mangalor and that 2 in temples 4 security? |
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| Praveen Pinto, India |
Jul 26, 2010 |
unless you agree with me that all life (humans, non humans, male, female, all races) are equal.
why should we kill other life forms when we have vegetarian alternatives- Mr Kiran USA
Mr Kiran, are you not contradicting yourself? on one hand you say all life is equal and on the other you say plant life is inferior and so is an alternative. How can you call plant life as an alternative if you consider all life forms as equal? So continuing with your line of argument, the absence of central nervous system hardly makes plant life inferior. |
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium |
Jul 26, 2010 |
Chris - another link for the terror works of RSS, will the masters of terror organisation has any answers:
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/site/Story/105172/India/top-rss-man-gave-sims-for-terror-strikes.html |
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| elias/bantwal, India |
Jul 26, 2010 |
| IT IS CONGRESS BAJAPA INVESTIGATION. INVESTIGATING EACH OTHERS WRONG DOINGS. |
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| Alfred J. Rebello,, India |
Jul 26, 2010 |
NATIONALISATION OF IPL??
- GURU.
It looks grapes are sour for you. Become a politician and you can also get all these facilities. But you need to qualify for it. For me, IPL stands for Indian Paisa Loot (I read) and therefore you should know 'HOW?'. Take some lessons from SPawar. Do not be jealous on others. We are called Indians for that perhaps. |
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| Alfred J. Rebello, India |
Jul 26, 2010 |
Not a good news for USA! China will get more aggressive in securing the resources it needs to fuel the growth. The mighty US Dollar is also being questioned - This is probably the most important factor that will decide the future of USA.-Original Pai.
Opai, what are you doing in USA still, you better start moving to China to better your future but not as Original but duplicate because You will find almost everything duplicate in China. Originals hardly you find. Yes, if you want to remain neither Original nor Duplicate then move to India, where nobody knows one is Original or duplicate. India is good in making originals from duplicates you know! |
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium |
Jul 26, 2010 |
| Babu Moshai- When Shenoy's & Pai's has chelas like Babu Moshai, why to import from Belgium or from any other countries? There are many Babu Moshai's in India believe in whatever brahmins tell them... I believe that you are not one of those? |
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| Guru, India |
Jul 26, 2010 |
Respected Catholic friends writing in this forum, kindly enlighten me what the following mean:
Genesis 1:29-30 (King James Version)
29And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
30And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
Is it suggesting vegetarianism or eating meat? |
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| Kiran, USA |
Jul 26, 2010 |
You ask – “why should we kill other life forms when we have vegetarian alternatives?” Perhaps when you can frankly answer – “why do we kill our OWN life-forms?” --Chris Rego, UAE
Cool! See, if you think just a wee bit more, you will arrive at the answer. And since you stopped just short of the answer or the finish line, let me complete this line of thinking. We have laws against killing our own life forms, now as the Indian society matures in its thinking, we can have laws against killing other life forms as well. Now, there are a few who kill their own kind, but I hope we are not childish enough to make that as an excuse to kill other innocent life forms. |
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| Guru, India |
Jul 26, 2010 |
Most surnames come from one of five roots- patronymics (from the father's forename); locative (from the person's place of residence); topographic (from a local geographical feature); metonymic (from the person's job) or soubriquets (a nickname).
VRShetty, to what category do you fall?
6th root? |
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| Guru, India |
Jul 26, 2010 |
how many Nagendra Shenoy's are there"-Judith L to N.S.Shenoy (Nandavar)
The word Nandavar indicates his N stands for Nandavar his native place. S may be his name and Shenoy is his surname.
Nagendra Shenoy has long back written that their original place is Kaup, but have now settled in Mangalore.
Hope Judith will not simply jump without properly reading the name. |
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| Guru, India |
Jul 26, 2010 |
Chris Rego,
On Vegetarianism some copy paste here for your chewing:
"While we are the living graves of murdered beasts, slaughtered to satisfy our appetites, how can we expect ideal conditions on this earth."
George Bernard Shaw (1856 - 1950) - Playwright and Critic
"Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival of life on Earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet."
Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955) - Physicist and Theorist
And God said, "Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for food. And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is a living soul, I have given every green herb for food: and it was so." ~God, Genesis 1:29-30
God giveth the grains and the fruits of the earth for food: and for righteous man truly there is no other lawful sustenance for the body." ~ Jesus, The Gospel of the Holy Twelve
'Thou shalt not kill any living thing,' for life is given to all by God, and that which God has given, let not man taketh it away. ~Jesus, Gospel of the Holy Twelve, (earliest known recorded words of Jesus)
"Thou shalt not kill." ~Exodus 20:13 Authorized version of King James
"Better is a dinner of herbs where love is, than a stalled ox with hatred within." ~ Proverbs 15:17 |
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| Puttur Dinesh, USA |
Jul 26, 2010 |
Chris might be right. With the whole recession, people have lost jobs and a finding it hard to find new jobs, lack of health care, moving of manufacturing jobs overseas.
Poeple have decided to retire later as their 401K and IRA's have taken a big hit. but once the economy bonuces back, things might get better.
India seems to be having a rise in the middle class, it increases the tax nase for the government and also makes a democracy stronger. |
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Jul 26, 2010 |
Then you do see the point -- why should we kill other life forms when we have vegetarian alternatives ? In that case, you are only disagreeing due to your conditioning, perhaps? – Kiran
Ah, you took your own sweet time to don YOUR thinking cap and do some research before responding.
What “conditioning”, mate? The ONLY conditioning I pamper myself with is the Air-conditioning! But then considering the environs herein, that is a necessity rather than a luxury.
You ask – “why should we kill other life forms when we have vegetarian alternatives?” Perhaps when you can frankly answer – “why do we kill our OWN life-forms?” you can arrive at the answer yourself.
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| Judith L, India |
Jul 26, 2010 |
| simple, in all this it is the politicians involved not aam janta. |
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| Judith L, India |
Jul 26, 2010 |
I cannot understand how many Nagendra Shenoy's are there. Anyways, here goes ur reply.
To claim that 1.20% of educational Institutions in India are run by the Catholic Church may not sound very impressive, even when the percentage rises to 2.8 in the case of colleges, and to 4.00 in the case of high schools. Although, Catholics make up only 1.5% of the country population. |
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium |
Jul 26, 2010 |
Ji ( Sheikh) Shetty
Have your ever watched RSS and its goons involving in riots. Long live RSS is just a slogan anyday and anytime it will be banned and all the chaddis will be thrown out to the river near by their house because RSS chaddis has no place in Indian society.
What about treating someone and treating him again and again, this is RSS, first get the depth knowledge of RSS and propoganda masters of RSS you will know it. |
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| Vinod Raghuveer Shetty, Belgium |
Jul 26, 2010 |
| Duplicate Pai- There are more like Achuthandan in India in all the parties their only aim is for vote banks, but now the real aim of RSS and its chelas are well known to everyone, no need to blow the trumphet. |
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| Nelson Lewis, Bahrain |
Jul 26, 2010 |
Dear Mr. Alfred J. Rebello,
It is quite sometime you have arrived back in Dubai and have struck on www.mangalorean.com with ferocity.
However, you have not shared with the readers about your experiences in India, except for your experience with that women selling chappatis. I presume if you had smiled at her and spoken sweetly to her, she would have given you much more chappatis at discounted rate. Smile and the world will smile at you.
However, what about your experiences in Bombay, e.g. with pheriwalas and AC DCs in the train. We like you to narrate your anecdotes, because they are full of humour.
Alfred J. Rebello strikes again. Joog, joog jiyo bhai.
Regards,
Your bosom pal |
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Jul 26, 2010 |
....Any sources for saying that the US has a shrink middle class..? - Lawrence
You could type the catch phrase in google and see what it throws up. By the way, here is just 1 such source:
http://teamstermagazine.com/scary-statistics-america%2526%2523039%3Bs-shrinking-middle-class
Btw, the main stats are on Yahoo finance.
About the distribution of wealth in the UAE, I have read that 0.2% of the population controls 90% of the wealth. However, since I'm a mere resident here - like a majority of the populace, it hardly gives me sleepy nights. |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Jul 26, 2010 |
Let me add a few more points to Bonnie's post.
1. China overtook USA last year to become the World's biggest energy user.
2. China also overtook USA to become the biggest market for motorvehicles.
3. China is getting more and more vocal about the need to have an International Reserve Currency.
Not a good news for USA! China will get more aggressive in securing the resources it needs to fuel the growth. The mighty US Dollar is also being questioned - This is probably the most important factor that will decide the future of USA.
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| Alfred J. Rebello,, India |
Jul 26, 2010 |
“how about we avoid RSS and religion for a week?” – Puttur Dinesh.
Why a week? We Can avoid them rest of the life provided RSS and religious fanatics should give the opportunity by respecdting every human being. Will they? |
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| Vinod Raghuveer Shetty, Belgium |
Jul 26, 2010 |
| Guru - I have heard about Mohan Bhagwat, Veer Sarwarkar, Ashok Singhal etc for taking religion for granted. |
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| Kiran, USA |
Jul 26, 2010 |
http://www.financialexpress.com/news/why-india-needs-narendra-modi/375103/
Thanks O R Pai for the link. I hope it helps people wake up to reality instead of being stuck in the past while conveniently forgetting the earlier past. We have to thank the pseudo secular (mainly television) media for the biased picture. |
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| RosaMcclain, Canada |
Jul 26, 2010 |
| One remembers that modern life is not very cheap, nevertheless different people require money for various stuff and not every one gets enough cash. Thence to get good loans or consolidation loans should be a correct way out. |
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| Guru, India |
Jul 26, 2010 |
NATIONALISATION OF IPL??
Nice one K.Shankar Bhat. Thank you.
It is just a respite; deviation for relaxation at interval or break!
The writer forgot the following:
(i) Sharad Pawar will continue to hold concurrent Charge of ICC and IPL (Govt of India enterprise)
(ii) Two of Lalu-sons will be filing tenders without EMD (as they belong to OBC)
(iii) Reservation will be strict for SC/ST/ OBCs /Ex=service, Minorities and Physically handipacked(!)
(iv) Global tenders will be called for supply of balls! Preference will be given to Italian products.
(v) China made products will be prohibited.
(vi) The budget needs to be approved by the Life time Planning Commission chairman Ahluwalia.
(vii)A group of Ministers will be constituted shortly. They will be visiting all the countries ( other than those playing Kirkett ) in the world.
(viii) Opposition demands
a) 10Ten matches for the poor.
b) Priority to green card BPLs
c) NRI quota
d) Committee for peridical review of size of the ball, bat, wickets, pitch, boundary line, licking the ball, spitting on the ground.
e) Free transferable tickets to Parliamentarians, their families and friends.
Many more may shine soon after the monsoon session;-))
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| Ananda Padebettu, Mumbai, India |
Jul 26, 2010 |
Shenoy - What about the mess done by Brahmins in this forum? who will clean it?-VRS
In Inidia, we didn't find one. Probably, we may have to import from Belgium. LOL |
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| Bonnie, USA |
Jul 26, 2010 |
guess, this question is more applicable to those who keep attacking RSS and a certain religion as per the talking points from their ‘Masters '_ Pai,
Pai,
You keep repeating your hackneyed phrase masters ad infinitum. Is that what your masters taught you ( RSS).May be they have taken a cue from Hitler who said and I quote,"if you keep repeating a lie thousands of time, people will believe it".If you are so pre-occupied with maligning the masters, why are you using the masters language.To be known as epigone or use it as cover from being known as a hick.
Oh, yes I can already hear the buzzing sound of sticks blowing in the air. Sorry for making you swing your club in the air faster than ever more so.
Tell me, what has the RSS done for the upliftment of the lower sections of society. It was Shri Narayana Guru of Ezhva community who started the movement for the betterment of the community in Kerala. And in Tamilnadu, it was Periyar( though he was from Vaish community), who started the movement to liberate the lower sections of society from the chains of oppression. And in Maharashtra, it was Jyothoba Phule, who started the movement for the upliftment of lower sections. Where were your masters, busy in making money. Mind you, you are not talking to someone who is ignorant of history. Let me see how long can you keep buried your head in the sand.
Oh, yes I see, how you fear the dreaded word starting with C---- and keep repeating the same old tired phrase masters and self-haters. You can take a man out of shorts but can not take him out of his short circuited brain. You can keep applauding the nincompoops for all I care.
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| Kiran, USA |
Jul 26, 2010 |
Anyway, you say that ‘life is life’ whether it is ‘human or not’ and then in the same breath ask – “how will you dispute if another fundamentalist comes along and claims males are superior life forms?” Probably in the heat of the argument, you forgot that you were talking about LIFE in either case. --Chris Rego, UAE
Hey man, put on your thinking cap and analyze it. Yes, I said life is life, no superior and inferior. If you claim one life form is superior (humans) then what will stop you from claiming one gender is superior (male), unless you agree with me that all life (humans, non humans, male, female, all races) are equal.
Kiran, just because we ‘think’, we are no different from animals when it comes to survival. --Chris Rego, UAE
Well, well. So you agree with me. Then you do see the point -- why should we kill other life forms when we have vegetarian alternatives ? In that case, you are only disagreeing due to your conditioning, perhaps ?
...the mind is like a software program and the brain like a hard drive. Lately, scientists have begun to approach consciousness in more Spinozist terms: as a complex and indivisible mind-brain-body system. --Chris Rego
In the software-hardware model, which I agree is a little more accurate than Spinoza, the hardware is the machine and it is the software that drives the machine. Which means that the mind is the driver of the body. Spinoza's speculation that the mind exists for the survival of the body is a futile attempt to try to extend evolution (Darwin's theory of natural selection and survival of the fittest) to another level where it does not fit. I understand what you are trying to say, but these scientists working on cognitive sciences almost seem to have shut themselves into isolation working tirelessly trying to prove an unprovable false paradigm. They still have no clue about consciousness and awareness and are hopelessly caught with a false pretense that an interconnected neural network somehow gives rise to a first person awareness that no massively parallel processors (MPP) have been able to achieve. They have sold their souls to this idea and thus closed themselves to other research in related fields. For example, you may not have heard of the Human Consciousness Project and other similar studies done in hospitals on patients who undergo cardiac arrests. The patients who survive have reported detailed perceptions when monitors specially hooked up showed and absence of any brain activity. Dr. Sam Parnia and Dr. Jeffrey Long have written books based on their research. You can check them out if you are interested.
http://www.horizonresearch.org/main_nav_pages.php?cat_id=10
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| Lawrence Mascarenhas, USA |
Jul 26, 2010 |
Middle class in America is radically shrinking. Here are the stats - say Chris, UAE
Chris, what are the sources you are referring to? Do you have any stats about UAE as to how the nation's wealth is distributed? |
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| Alfred J. Rebello,, India |
Jul 26, 2010 |
Could it be A J R?:) - Shenoy.
Probably. But you know who truly. Sometimes I accept the jokes. |
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| PDP JR, India |
Jul 26, 2010 |
Reports: Pakistan spy service aids insurgents Documents made available by WikiLeaks suggest agents meet with Taliban
The cat is out of the bag. All this time uncle sam knew the double dealings by ISI of Pakistan- yet they kept a strategic silence.
Now the documents available shed new light on the double game played by Pakistan.
Few lines from the article:
American officials have rarely uncovered definitive evidence of direct ISI involvement in a major attack. But in July 2008, the C.I.A.’s deputy director, Stephen R. Kappes, confronted Pakistani officials with evidence that the ISI helped plan the deadly suicide bombing of India’s Embassy in Kabul.
The whole article:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38404843/ns/world_news-the_new_york_times/
I think China is backing Pakistan and its designs as it sees a destabilized Afghanistan is detrimental to India's interest and thus sees strategic advantage in supporting Pakistan.
ISI and Military of Pakistan benefit from the whole game in the long run as its of economic interests to them.
The best strategy is to break the symbiotic relationship between the ISI and the Afghanistan insurgents. These people are running parallel economy over there, collecting taxes from everyone. |
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| Bonnie, USA |
Jul 26, 2010 |
Chris,
I am not sure where you got your statistics from. They are broadly in line with the current scenario. However there are different reasons for this economic malaise and disparities in income. I have summarized a few in the following lines as it is not possible to list all of them in detail.
1. Saving in America is low:that is because, there are no incentives for savings. The interest rates are near zero. It has another positive side to it though; it helps the industrialists and businessmen to borrow cheaply and invest. The cost of capital is low.
2. The number of millionaires rose:that is because, the salary of CEOs is linked to the stock price. And the eyes of CEOs are fixated on the stick price. They will do anything to increase the profitability and thus keep the stock price high. The first casualty in any economic downturn would be the employees.
3. I am not sure how long China can continue its economic expansion without facing resource constraints.China, like Japan is severely crimped by the lack of resources.
4.American workers have a retirement plan called social security, where the worker contributes to this scheme run by the government.
5.America is suffering the job losses because of the free trade and the hegemony of Dollar. America wants to maintain dollar as the currency of international trade. This has both positive and negative effects. Positive, because of imported goods become cheaper and this helps to keep the inflation low. Negative, because it results in job losses. So, there are no easy solutions to this economic conundrum.
6.All said and done, America might eventually dig itself out of the current economic malaise, though nobody can be sure of how long it might take.You have to remember that 65 percent of all the money spent on R&D is spent USA. Sixty five percent of all the defense expenditure is spent by USA. The current defense spending by USA is close $650 billion a year.
It is common knowledge that empires rise and empires fall. In addition to the points I mentioned above, China and India are going to face severe water shortages in the next 20 years according to the current forecasts. One of the scarce resources elsewhere (water) is abundant in America. |
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| Puttur Dinesh, USA |
Jul 25, 2010 |
Ganesh
I see recognoze people as human beings and not by their religion, if you feel that injustice has been done, take up their cause, raise awareness and ask politicians YOU have elected to do their job.
Shenoy, if you compare your standards to the man from Belgium, I don't know if it makes you any better than him. |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Jul 25, 2010 |
“how about we avoid RSS and religion for a week?” – Puttur Dinesh
Hmmmm...I guess, this question is more applicable to those who keep attacking RSS and a certain religion as per the talking points from their ‘Masters’.
Well, here is the good news – I can already see them leaving the arena after trying their infantile jokes, poems and congratulating each other.
Good. |
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium |
Jul 25, 2010 |
| Shenoy - What about the mess done by Brahmins in this forum? who will clean it? and do you think whatever you write is not accepted by the mass here, so next time have a valid reason fr it. |
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium |
Jul 25, 2010 |
| Krishna - You have agreed that RSS is terrorist - What did innocent peoples has done and why did Mohan Bhagwat took 20 crores bribe from ISI? can you tell us please |
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| Guru, India |
Jul 25, 2010 |
Where will Brahmins go if there is no temples for their survival?"-VRS
VRS, Have you heard of Parashurama or Chanakya? |
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| Guru, India |
Jul 25, 2010 |
" I enjoy watching such videos where I get little happiness in watching what others do."-Alfred J Rebello, India.
I appreciate your openness. You have come out just like Late J.H.Patel. From the seat of a Chief Minister he had in the open house of Karnataka Assembly declared his love for "ananda" with different women!
And when are you going for Master degree from the present "watching"?
Don't get angry. Just enjoyed your frankness. |
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| N.S.Shenoy (Nandavar), India |
Jul 25, 2010 |
Who is running most of the Education Insitutions in India?@ same old question by Judith!
It is State Governments. Government schools.
The Kendriya Vidyalaya runs more than 800 schools all over India.
Which answer were you expecting Judith? |
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| Kadengodlu Shankara Bhat, Kazakhstan |
Jul 25, 2010 |
As we need some break/lighter moments after a lot of heated discussions on EYT !
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NATIONALISATION OF IPL - LAUGHTER BREAK
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May be of interest to Nags ? [Not my views, but a fw'd email rec'd]
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22 THINGS THAT WILL HAPPEN WHEN THE IPL IS NATIONALISED.
1. The new Commissioner of the IPL, replacing Lalit Modi, will be an IAS officer, 1989 batch, transferred from the Food Corporation of India.
2. Mayawati will demand, however, that the new Chairman should be her own candidate, Mr Dalit Modi.
3. The name of Mumbai Indians will immediately be changed to Mumbai Manus. It will, naturally, field only Maharashtrians (preferably Maharshtrian Brahmins). All other players will have their legs broken. Zaheer Khan will have his house burned down,. So will Irfan Pathan, Yusuf Pathan and Mohd Kaif.
4. The Chennai Super Kings team will renamed Dravida Cricket Kazhagam. Subsequently one faction will break away and the team will split into DCK (DMK) and AIADCK, owing allegience to Karunanidhi and Jayalalitha respectively.
5. Each political party will have its own team: BJP Bandits, Congress Cobras, CPI Cadres, Samajwadi Strikers, CPM Challengers, Trinamul Tigers etc.
6. Auction of players will be replaced by teams calling for tenders for players. The lowest priced players will be picked.
7. Cheerleaders will be replaced by honourable ministers who will give speeches during breaks in the match.
8. Sonia Gandhi will insist that 30% of each team should be reserved for be women
9. Mayawati will demand that SC/ST players will need to run for only 18 yards instead of 22 yards between the wickets.
10. Third Umpire requests will have to be filled in triplicate and duly notarized.
11. All Third Umpire decisions will be referred to a Joint Parliamentary Commission.
12. IPL tickets will henceforth be available at all post offices and BSNL centers from 10 a.m. to 12.45 p.m. The facility to purchase tickets on your cell-phone will immediately be withdrawn.
13. Replacing an injured foreign player can be done only through a Tatkal application submitted 48 hours after a Govt doctor examines him.
14. Cheergirls will be replaced by retired Air-India flight attendants.
15. These new cheerleaders will perform the folk dances of the states they represent during breaks.
16. IPL matches will be shown only on Doordarshan. They will be telecast the day immediately following the match, from 4 a.m. to 7.30 a.m. and subsequently from 3.30 p.m. to 7p.m, subject to satellite link-up availability.
17. Between each innings break Doordarshan will telecast the news in Hindi, followed by news for the hearing impaired.
18. Agricultural shots can be played only during the phase of the game termed "Krishi Darshan".
19. There will be no matches on weekends or on national/regional holidays.
20. The three stumps will be painted saffron, white and green.
21. Bowlers will have to bowl sarpatti and ghasssarkundi balls to the reserved players.
22. Pakistan will immediately announce its intention to start its own version of the tournament called PPL and Mr Zardari will make a visit to Washington to meet President Obama and seek an additional grant of $1 billion to fund it. |
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| Judith L, India |
Jul 25, 2010 |
Dear Judith,
I can't speak for Kiran. In my opinion, there should be an investigation and culprits should be punished as per the law. I don't care what party/caste/nationality/religion they belong to. I also agree with you that our country is filled with corrupt politicians. It starts from Yeddy-Reddy gang at state level to 'maatha-Prince' at Delhi who have billions of stolen money from India. - O R Pai.
Now ur views are more like the common man's views - heavy smiles.
Did I answer your question? Feel free to ask more questions though you don't want to answer my qyestions! :-) I cannot help it if u prefer to answer only those questions which u feel like answering. I have answered your questions and counter question which u have not responded. |
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| Krishna, India |
Jul 25, 2010 |
CPIM has to survive in kerala Madhu UAE.
For the survival of CPIM we need to sell this nation. |
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Jul 25, 2010 |
The Middle Class in America Is Radically Shrinking. Here Are the Stats to Prove it
. 83 percent of all U.S. stocks are in the hands of 1 percent of the people.
• 61 percent of Americans "always or usually" live paycheck to paycheck, which was up from 49 percent in 2008 and 43 percent in 2007.
• 66 percent of the income growth between 2001 and 2007 went to the top 1% of all Americans.
• 36 percent of Americans say that they don't contribute anything to retirement savings.
• A staggering 43 percent of Americans have less than $10,000 saved up for retirement.
• 24 percent of American workers say that they have postponed their planned retirement age in the past year.
• Over 1.4 million Americans filed for personal bankruptcy in 2009, which represented a 32 percent increase over 2008.
• Only the top 5 percent of U.S. households have earned enough additional income to match the rise in housing costs since 1975.
• For the first time in U.S. history, banks own a greater share of residential housing net worth in the United States than all individual Americans put together.
• In 1950, the ratio of the average executive's paycheck to the average worker's paycheck was about 30 to 1. Since the year 2000, that ratio has exploded to between 300 to 500 to one.
• As of 2007, the bottom 80 percent of American households held about 7% of the liquid financial assets.
• The bottom 50 percent of income earners in the United States now collectively own less than 1 percent of the nation’s wealth.
• Average Wall Street bonuses for 2009 were up 17 percent when compared with 2008.
• In the United States, the average federal worker now earns 60% MORE than the average worker in the private sector.
• The top 1 percent of U.S. households own nearly twice as much of America's corporate wealth as they did just 15 years ago.
• In America today, the average time needed to find a job has risen to a record 35.2 weeks.
• More than 40 percent of Americans who actually are employed are now working in service jobs, which are often very low paying.
• or the first time in U.S. history, more than 40 million Americans are on food stamps, and the U.S. Department of Agriculture projects that number will go up to 43 million Americans in 2011.
• This is what American workers now must compete against: in China a garment worker makes approximately 86 cents an hour and in Cambodia a garment worker makes approximately 22 cents an hour.
• Approximately 21 percent of all children in the United States are living below the poverty line in 2010 - the highest rate in 20 years.
• Despite the financial crisis, the number of millionaires in the United States rose a whopping 16 percent to 7.8 million in 2009.
• The top 10 percent of Americans now earn around 50 percent of our national income. |
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| Krishna, India |
Jul 25, 2010 |
RSS terror everywhere in India VRS.
You are 100% right. RSS are terrorist against a terrorist.
RSS are terrorist against the traitors. Only such people get threatened by them. The vast majority of the people find them OK. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Jul 25, 2010 |
Is it RSS? Or SRS? Or BJP?-Alfie maam
Could it be A J R?:) |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Jul 25, 2010 |
So u agree v r Indians- Judith
My my! What a revelation! |
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| Krishna, India |
Jul 25, 2010 |
| What a marvellous idea. I hope this mission will be successful one. Let President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad take everyone from his country to the moon so that world will become a peaceful place on this universe. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Jul 25, 2010 |
We need to bring some sanity back here- Puttur Dinesh
Agreed. What about one guy from Belgium? Does he utter the gospel? He is hell bent on defaming people he has not even met in his life. Some one like Chris should know better than adding to the din. I have no problem with Alfie maam. He can't do any better. Did you notice how Austin wrote few days ago? Too many 'hands' are clapping simultaneously. |
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| Krishna, India |
Jul 25, 2010 |
I really do not care for what the people do in their lives... Bonni USA
You are contradicting your own statement.
That is Modi’s personal life. It is unfair poke in his personal life. |
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Jul 25, 2010 |
Great poem there, Bonnie. I would have responded in kind but then I'm awfully cramped-up for time today.
The answers are quite simple and our champ Alfred has managed to crack it effortlessly. I'll have to throw in my lot with him. Aye, the answers are RSS/BJP/Ramasene and chief among the knuckleheads are Modi, Advani, Shah, Muthalik, Togadia et al. Of course, there are other ****heads to be added to that in-illustrious list and one doesn't need to venture away from EYT for that at all!
By the way, I guess I'll heed PD's advice for a change and move on. I guess we have all had our fair share of RSS/BJP bashing and my ears are STILL "echoing" with their shrilly denials!
Have a great day, mate. |
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| elias/bantwal, India |
Jul 25, 2010 |
| Modi was engaged not married. as soon he was engaged he ran away to rss parivar instead of starting his own parivar. |
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| JUdith L, India |
Jul 25, 2010 |
Indians as I see it. Whom do you see Sister?
So u agree v r Indians |
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| Puttur Dinesh, USA |
Jul 25, 2010 |
Pai, Chris, Alfred, Shenoy and all others, what is going on with EYT and where are taking it? All that I see from you giys is RSS, priest, Nitaynanda, religion and more religion. I thought EYT was the place to exchange ideas and agree to disagree on certain things. Why are you guys beating the dead horse and ruining the fourm. We need to bring some sanity back here, how about we avoid RSS and religion for a week? think we can do it.
What do you all think? |
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| Nelson Lewis, Bahrain |
Jul 25, 2010 |
Dear Bonnie, U.S.A.,
It is a well known fact that Mr. Narendra Modi was married, but divorced. In fact, his personal life is a closely-guarded secret.
After leaving his native place, the only time he had gone back, it appears, after three decades for the funeral of his mother or father.
I have always maintained that Mr. Modi is not a normal person.
Regards,
Nelson |
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| Alfred J. Rebello, India |
Jul 25, 2010 |
It should not be very difficult I suppose. - Bonnie, USA to Chris, UAE
Is it RSS? Or SRS? Or BJP? Or is it combined? By the way, I am sorry to interfere. |
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| Alfred J. Rebello, , India |
Jul 25, 2010 |
'maatha-Prince' at Delhi wh o have billions of stolen money from India. - O. Pai.
OPai, can you enlighten me more on this please with some proofs. You must be having some solid information on this subject. I heard there is almost a Trillion DollarS lying in Swiss account of Indian origins, is it belongs to 'Matha-Prince'?
By the way, I heard in the recent past that Indian high command wanted to get the information of this money and try to bring it back but it us our politicians did not agree it seems, is it true? |
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| Alfred J. Rebello,, India |
Jul 25, 2010 |
India must celebrate the killing of criminals like Shorabuddin. - OM Shetty.
OHM Shetty, what about criminals like Narendra Modi and Amit Shah? Do we have to sympathise them? |
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| Bonnie, USA |
Jul 25, 2010 |
Did you ever seen the speech of Narendra Modi Guru acharya Dharmendra speech and now I have understood that why did Modi remained single - VRS
VRS,
I have a small correction to make which may not be known to many people. Modi was married and divorced and his wife still works as a teacher(I suppose in Gandhinagar). Now, this information is fiercely protected by the guardians of culture lest anyone spoil the show.
One may not get this information from the media and it is really a close kept secret, I happened to have been told this information by very close confidant of some BJP leaders.
I really do not care for what the people do in their lives. However, in this case it is the duplicity which is at play. |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Jul 24, 2010 |
“pls. refer your comments you will know ur God/Godess”
“Pls. ask this difficult question to yourself”
Dear Judith,
I get it now. I won’t make you uncomfortable by asking questions that you don’t want to answer. You are not the only one to master the art of ‘palaayana vaada’.
By the way, you can always ask me questions and expect answers. |
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| Vinod Raguvir Shetty, Belgium |
Jul 24, 2010 |
Chris - Did you ever had the chance to watch the movie In the Name of God Ram Ke Naam by Anand Patwardhan, if you can watch that movie you will know what is Hindutva and RSS and its chelas are doing business in the name of religion.
http://www.patwardhan.com/films/index.htm
Did you ever seen the speech of Narendra Modi Guru acharya Dharmendra speech and now I have understood that why did Modi remained single because the story between Modi and his guru is like Karan johar movie dostana (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RNm87Mv48E)
Fake pai and his brothers have lost somewhere because of RSS terror every where in India. Fake Pai might be retrospecting what went wrong we were hiding everything in the blanket but he forgot that nature will take its own course. Pai please do not sob... |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Jul 24, 2010 |
"By the way, you seem to have plentiful of issues with the links provided by our man VRS" - Rego man roars from his den.
Noooo - Not at all, dude. I love those links. It's like reading 'Dawn' news paper columnists to get a ‘good’ understanding of India’s foreign policy. Or...listening to Karl Rove to get a ‘fair and balanced’ opinion on Obama!
Since you guys are so much into these 'links', I thought I would start with two here:
1. If you want to read about those wonderful groups spreading peace and love in northeastern India, please check the following link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism#India
2. If you want to read about another 'faith based' drug cartel working very hard in Mexico, you can use the following link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Familia_Michoacana
Enjoy your stay in the echo-chamber! Please note that our dear friend Judith has also shifted her residence!
smiles... |
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium |
Jul 24, 2010 |
Duplicate Pai - You have lost the words- you do not have a name and then you write who is fake and who is not fake. If you are that much man of courage write your full name.
Propaganda links are always there for RSS and its chelas, why do not come out from chamber you live in and witness the changes and the RSS and RSS doing in the name of Hindutva.
Have you ever seen the speeches of Modis Guru, it will make any peace loving Indians will hate him to core.
I will provide more details about your RSS and their 7 stars works. Now please do not sob.... |
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| Bonnie, USA |
Jul 24, 2010 |
Hi Chris Rego, UAE
I would really appreciate if you could answer the names in the puzzles enunciated in the following few lines.
It should not be very difficult I suppose.
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With a cap on my head and a stick in my hand
I try to unite one faction and divide the other section
What is my name and what is the name of my group
My feet are swift to run whenever I sense
An oppourtunity to cause mischief and trouble
What is my name and what is the name of my cronies
I fiddle around with innocent lives behind the scenes
And put on a mask before a gullible people
What is my name and what is the name of my puppets
I sense the ghosts from the past and go after chasing them
I pretend myself to be a torch-bearer of the culture and traditions
What is my name and what is the name of my organisation
I do not rest till I create fear in the minds of a section of people
I offer relentless lies to create the panic like the charlatans do
What is my name and what is the name of my stooges
I have followers from alll around the world applauding me
Offering the loudest cries from the people feeling alienated
What is my name and what is the name of my cheerleaders
I can escape the law as I have friends in the high places
Even though I kindle the flames of hatred that outlast generations
What is my name and what is the name of my party
The innocent people can hear the buzzing sound of sticks in the air
And the pressure to feel subjugated by a haunting spectre of fear
What is my name and what is the name of my knuckleheads |
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| Jitesh Shetty, India |
Jul 24, 2010 |
Vinod Raghuvir Shekh, Belgium
If you dont know about the work of RSS, go and study properly keeping your bias mind aside. The swayamsevaks work for the welfare of downtrodden people in far off places without any expectation of publicity. If you want to know their work watch any flood effected area or any emergency and you will find a big number of swayam sevaks at rescue operations helping people in difficulties. Without caring for any caste or creed they help people selflessly. Please come to our shakha and understand what actually goes on there. It is open for all and nothing is behind closed door. The great thing about the organisation is we dont go to
anybody for donation etc. Swayamsevaks themselves contribute themselves for the work of Rashtra Uththan. Long Live RSS
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| Judith L, India |
Jul 24, 2010 |
Shaayad aap sharmagayi hongi. Koyi baat nahin. Thodi dayr ke baad poochenge Judy.- Ketan, Belgium
off late after being idle looks like u have been watching a lot of Bharat Bhushan (with due respect to the erstwhile actor) films, SO U THINK THE WOMEN ON THIS PLATFORM WILL FEEL SHY OF UR WORDS. |
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| Judith L, India |
Jul 24, 2010 |
| Kiran u forgot "toddi" and "country liquour" |
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| Nelson Lewis, Bahrain |
Jul 24, 2010 |
Dear Mr. Shenoy R.,
Let me give the devil his due by candidly complimenting you for your phenomenal memory, which has left me amazed and awestruck. Believe me, this is true compliments from the bottom of my heart and not sycophancy.
B.S. Chandrasekhar was a great bowler and could be destructive. As a spinner, he bowled between medium fast and medium pace and was much, much quicker than Anil Kumble, but slower than the Englishman, Derek Underwood, who at 2.10 runs per over average is the most economical bowler along with R.G. (Bapu) Nadkarni in the game.
I also remember Indians being bundled out for a paltry score, i.e. 42 runs.
Everyone has his own yardsticks to measure the greatest of a cricketer. Most enthusiasts only look to the contemporaries as greats or the number of runs scored, wickets taken, number of 100s and 50s piled up. I would look to the averages, the dominance of the cricketer, economy rates and other relevant things.
For me Sir Don Bradman and over twenty other all-time batsmen are the greatest in the game, Sir Gary Sobers is the most complete cricketer and one of the greatest batsmen and the best all-rounder the game has produced. Again, Collin Bland and Jonte Rhodes are the best fielders. If you ask me the greatest fast bowlers, then there are Freddie (Fiery) Trueman, Sir Richard Hadlee, Michael Holding and others. Joel Garner (the Big Bird) was the best in bowling yrokers, aided by his enormous height of 6\' 7\".
I also recall Geoff Boycott scoring 246 not out and scoring at a leisurely pace, even when his Captain had sent him a note saying that either he bat at a whirlwind pace or get out. Thereafter, he was dropped for the next test.
Mr. Shenoy, did the authorities ever discipline Sunil Gavaskar for his batting which was, at best and most times, at a snail\'s pace. Both Boycott and Gavaskar are classic examples of being selfish cricketers and the latter was obsessed with records. I wonder if Gavaskar and Shastri, who considers the former as his guru, would find a place in today\'s limited over or T20 games?
Today, Gavaskar is an expert commentator on limited overs games. However, how many know that this same man opened the innings in 60 overs Prudential World Cup match to score paltry 36 to 37 runs and say that he was ignorant that he had to score at a faster pace. This is stupidity at its best. |
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| Smitha Rai, UAE |
Jul 24, 2010 |
Probably our Sisters like Judith and Asha/Smitha/Lata/Pitta/UshNa/Vaanti bhedi/Mala D/ityadi or anybody else if abused sexually (laingika kirukuLa aka yown shoshaN) by Swami Nithyananda should file a complaint with some adequate proof@nagendra
nags beta,
did you study in canara high school and college to write like this? is this what they taught you? your school and college must be v v proud of you. |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Jul 24, 2010 |
Who is running most of the Education Insitutions in India and churning out intellectuals? - Judith L
Indians as I see it. Whom do you see Sister? |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Jul 24, 2010 |
There is too much cricket going on these days actually killing the test cricket - Shenoy
Shenoy Maam,
Let\'s look at the results of last 3 Ashes series.
1. Ashes 2005 - 2-1
2. Ashes 2006 - 5-0
3. Ashes 2009 - 2-1
Out of 15 Test matches, there were results for 11 Tests in the last 3 Ashes. In the bygone era, how many Ashes would have been played for 11 results? (By Ashes I mean Test Match series)
The game is evolving the way I see. Who can forget the epic Test Matches of modern era like the India's attitude changing Kolkata Test in 2001, an unexpected turnaround by England at MCG in 1998 coming at the back of Mark Ramprakash's spectacular catch at point with Dean Headley and Darren Gough doing the rest, Ahmedabad Test in 1999 where a spirited Javagal Srinath demolished the hot favourites South Africa on day 5 with his 6 wickets spell and defending a paltry 160 odd on Day 5 with all 10 wickets in hand! Even drawn matches like the one we saw at The Oval in 2005 or the ones England has been surviving the last few overs with the final pair in the recent months have been a nail-biting one. Even such matches are thrilling to watch.
Gone are the Bapu Nadkarni days of 48-21-31-1, a 5-match series scoreline was 0-0 or 1-0 like that of a Soccer match or even after 5 days of play where not even 3 innings were played. Could we predict a Test Match roadmap like we did with that of Murali's farewell match Shenoy Maam? Test Match has become more alive with the advent of T20 and ODIs. The onus of not overdoing it and ensuring no damage to Test match is done lies with the ICC. |
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Jul 24, 2010 |
Life is life, whether it is human or not. If you argue that Humans are superior life form, how will you dispute if another fundamentalist comes along and claims males are superior life forms ? - Kiran
If you want to answer the question, answer it. Do not dance around the subject. ….Where would you draw the line of superior/inferior and why?
You're the one asking q's and when I seek answers, you say - "go look". I like that straight-forward approach, Kiran.
Anyway, you say that ‘life is life’ whether it is ‘human or not’ and then in the same breath ask – “how will you dispute if another fundamentalist comes along and claims males are superior life forms?” Probably in the heat of the argument, you forgot that you were talking about LIFE in either case. And that makes me ask – why bother in establishing superiority or has that become a fad of late?
Kiran, just because we ‘think’, we are no different from animals when it comes to survival. According to Descartes' famous dualist theory, human beings were composed of physical bodies and immaterial minds. Spinoza disagreed. In ''The Ethics,'' his masterwork, published after his death in 1677, he argued that body and mind are not two separate entities but one continuous substance.
As for Descartes' view of the mind as a reasoning machine, Spinoza thought that was dead wrong. Reason, he insisted, is shot through with emotion. More radical still, he claimed that thoughts and feelings are not primarily reactions to external events but first and foremost about the body. In fact, he suggested, the mind exists purely for the body's sake, to ensure its survival.
But it seems history may have sided with the wrong man. For more than a decade, neuroscientists armed with brain scans have been chipping away at the Cartesian façade. Gone is Descartes' lofty Cogito, reasoning in pristine detachment from the physical world. Fading fast are its sophisticated modern incarnations, including the once-popular ''computational model,'' according to which the mind is like a software program and the brain like a hard drive.
Lately, scientists have begun to approach consciousness in more Spinozist terms: as a complex and indivisible mind-brain-body system. And now Dr. Antonio Damasio, the head of neurology at the University of Iowa Medical Center in Iowa City and leading anti-Cartesian crusader, says that Spinoza was right in other ways as well.
In particular, Dr. Damasio argues in his new book, ''Looking for Spinoza: Joy, Sorrow and the Feeling Brain'' (Harcourt, 2003), the philosopher anticipated one of brain science's most important recent discoveries: the critical role of the emotions in ensuring our survival and allowing us to think. Feeling, it turns out, is not the enemy of reason, but, as Spinoza saw it, an indispensable accomplice.
Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2003/04/19/books/i-feel-therefore-i-am.html
It is all so confusing, I must admit and I’m no expert in the matter or even a novice. But for long, we have prided ourselves for having a ‘superior’ brain and this ability to ‘think’! We invent, innovate and then we eliminate and cause mayhem and widespread destruction. Animals think too but don’t cause destruction. They do not possess human traits such as greed, jealousy, hatred, revenge etc, but we humans do. Is that what ‘superiority’ is all about?
Sounds interesting, doesn’t it? Probably our Dr. BM Hegde could write an article for us folks to learn more on the subject. |
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| Judith L, India |
Jul 24, 2010 |
As India becomes more prosperous and becomes an economic super power, corruption will become a thing of the past.Education is the key to success.-Pakaavadya
Who is running most of the Education Insitutions in India and churning out intellectuals? |
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| Judith L, India |
Jul 24, 2010 |
Thanks for confirming my doubts. Apparently you don\'t see any difference between Priests who abused kids and a \'swami\' who had consensual sex with another adult.
Very nice! smiles...- O R Pai
This shows ur sadist nature how can u smile on such issue by the way u have not added biological fathers (remeber the MIra Road incident and other newsreports). |
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| Judith L, India |
Jul 24, 2010 |
| Mr. O R Pai - pls. refer your comments you will know ur God/Godess |
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| Judith L, India |
Jul 24, 2010 |
| Mr. O R Pai - PLS. NOTE. |
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| Judith L, India |
Jul 24, 2010 |
Be careful next time, when you link my name here with some assumed character. I have a reputation within my profession and in Mangalore for which, I don't need cheap certificates or tabs from persons whom I have not seen or don't want to meet.
MIND IT.
Pakkya are u rading assumed character. |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Jul 24, 2010 |
The CID, which is probing into the sex scandal of the godman, has been waiting for the allged victims of the religious guru to come forward and confirm the charges so that the case against Nithyananda could be strengthened and he could be put behind the bars for good - D P Kumar quoting from a news.
D P Maam,
This is exactly what the DGP CID had posted on his Facebook Wall that none have come forward to allege him. Some sent emails but there is no proof. Probably our Sisters like Judith and Asha/Smitha/Lata/Pitta/UshNa/Vaanti bhedi/Mala D/ityadi or anybody else if abused sexually (laingika kirukuLa aka yown shoshaN) by Swami Nithyananda should file a complaint with some adequate proof. 'Swami' Nithyananda claims he has lots of followers. Haven't you checked so many in EYT have 'followed' him so closely ever since his scandal broke out? |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Jul 24, 2010 |
Considering that few matches were played those days and four of them had to share the spoils of war, their contributions were immense.
-Nelson Lewis
Greetings Mr Lewis. That is a very valid point you have made. There was no one day cricket, no T/20, no Bangla Desh, No Zimbabwe and not even Sri Lanka in the sixties.I remember the tour of England in the summer of 1967 when Chandra Shekar got 6/38 at the oval.That was remarkable.The same tour India was all out for 42 in one of the test matches. It was the same tour where Geoff Boycott made that slow 246 at Leeds and was dropped for the second test.News papers in the UK even wrote' In future, India can play 4 days test matches' only to eat their words to see that India had fairly decent batting with Wadekar, Hanumant Singh, Nawab of Pataudi, Jaya Simha etc.
There is too much cricket going on these days actually killing the test cricket. |
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Jul 24, 2010 |
Remember, you also have the help of your 'lead singer' from UAE who seems to be endorsing every propaganda link you paste here. - Pai
Tx so much for according me such status, Pai.mam. I'm more amused than surprised b'coz I can't croak for nuts even if my life depended on it.
By the way, you seem to have plentiful of issues with the links provided by our man VRS. Looks like they hurt you far more than you'd care to accept. I mean, look at what's happening in Gujarat to your masters (Modi's) pet (Shah)? Here you keep extolling on the virtues of your pin-up party and there they go letting you down - time and again! I know, it must be pretty much heart-breaking! No wonder you keep hearing echoes right from Belgium to Boston! |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Jul 24, 2010 |
Shenoy Maam,
I think Laxman Sivaramakrishnan was the unluckiest of the lot. I have seen some of his deliveries, especially the Googlies and Pakistani players couldn't pick it up during the 1985 World Series and he along with Ravi Shastri bamboozled the opposition in that series.
Laxman also bowled to Sachin in the nets in the year 1998 and as per Sachin's orders, he bowled it way outside leg-stump and would get it in for him to play. This was done particularly to play Shane Warne in the upcoming series and oh boy! didn't Sachin hoist Shane Warne everywhere from covers to square leg to long off to mid-wicket.
India those days did not have big turners of the ball, most of our spinners who played for us V Raju, Anil Kumble, Aashish Kapoor, Rajesh Chauhan et al weren't big turners. Sachin foresaw the challenge and rightly summoned Laxman to assist him. This is the difference between 'Sachin Tendulkar' and human beings like Ricky Ponting, Brian Charles Lara, Jacques Kallis, Graeme Smith, Matthew Hayden, Mark Waugh and the likes. Sometimes I pity at these human beings that they played in the same era like 'Sachin Tendulkar' did. Ha ha ha ha ha ha!!! But then, it is an honour and 35-40 years down the line, they can say their grand-kids "Hey look... he played against we humans!" |
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| Smitha Rai, UAE |
Jul 24, 2010 |
Apparently you don't see any difference between Priests who abused kids and a 'swami' who had consensual sex with another adult. @pai
pai'jee, all of us know the diff. hwever, didnt the swami make those silly devotees sign papers to cover himslf? duz a swamy do that? what kind of teaching is that? |
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| Judith L, India |
Jul 24, 2010 |
Sure - What about these fathers? Also, what about the societies filled with single parents, broken marriages, pre-marital sex, child abuses ?
Why is it so hard for you to answer these questions? When a tough quesion is asked, you try to change the subject. - O R Pai
Pls. ask this difficult question to yourself since it is more prevalent within youR boudary wall. |
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| D.P.Kumar, India |
Jul 24, 2010 |
Swami Nithya (so called) this time you can perform much better than earlier.."@Anita ??
Court asks for Charge sheet against Nityananda.
Bangalore, Jul 24:
The Karnataka High Court on Friday indicated that it would quash the FIR against Swami Nityananda unless it filed a charge sheet against him within a week.
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In a major set back to the Karnataka Criminal Investigative Department (CID), Tamil actress Ranjitha has rejected charges of sexual harassment by Swami Nityananda.
The CID, which is probing into the sex scandal of the godman, has been waiting for the allged victims of the religious guru to come forward and confirm the charges so that the case against Nithyananda could be strengthened and he could be put behind the bars for good.
Besides rejecting the charges, Ranjitha also told the CID that she is not the woman in the sleaze video that hit the media in Mar 2010.
"The entire video is morphed," the actress said.
Sources have also revealed that Ranjitha told the probe agency that she had "only visited Nityananda's room once or twice" and denied having any sexual relations with the godman.
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20 June,2010:
Things seem to be looking up for controversial godman Swami Nityananda, who was arrested in April and charged with several crimes including rape. He is out on bail and back at his ashram and now an order has been passed that his ashram's accounts need no longer be frozen.
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Please do not jump to conclusions unless something concrete comes out. Mudslinging is easy. Cleaning the dirt may be difficult.
Similar thing happened to the aged Kanchi swami a couple of years back. Is it the
police / CID are yet to get the vediographer? |
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| D.P.Kumar, India |
Jul 24, 2010 |
"the Congress has had more years to play out their brand of corruption. Just ask the Swiss banks. "-Kiran, USA
Kiran, you just reminded me the UPA Government\'s promise of action on BLACK MONEY.
Addressing the first session of both houses of Parliament after the 2009 Lok Sabha elections,
President Pratibha Patil had said :
"My Government is fully seized of the issue of illegal money of Indian citizens outside the country in secret bank accounts. It will vigorously pursue all necessary steps in coordination with the countries concerned\".
This was the voice of Manmohan Singh Government in the " pro-aam admi " agenda for the first 100 days.
Even after 500 days, his Government has not moved an inch in this subject matter.
It is great regret for Indians that the leaders of the Opposition too appear to have forgotten the black money menace conveniently. |
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| D.P.Kumar, India |
Jul 24, 2010 |
I mentioned asanas, pranayamas and meditation ? "-Kiran, USA
Thanks for your timely comment which drew my attention right at this point of time;
St.Aloysius Business Institute (SABI) at St.Aloysius Evening College has announced DIPLOMA IN YOGA and LIFE SKILL (DYLS).
Duration: August 2010 to March 2011
Time : 6 to 8 PM (twice a week)
Days : Tuesday and Wednesday.
(Regular Practical classes at convenient places)
The Course is specially designed for teachers, Housewives, Counsellors, Health Professionals, Doctors, Nurses, Physiotherapists, HRD Professionals and other youngsters who have passed PUC.
One of the objectives of the course is to enable participants to become well exposed and well rounded health promoters.
I understand that there are several vacancies of Yoga instructors. In Mangalore alone, out of 14 vacancies, only 4 could be filled.
There is also Post Graduation course in Mangalore University.
Interested persons may please contact:
The Principal :Dr.Donald Lobo, M.Com, LL.B, PhD.
tel: (o824)2449714 or
cell:9845588740 |
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| Nelson Lewis, Bahrain |
Jul 24, 2010 |
\"Only bowler who had speed, direction, accuracy and spin was Chandra Shekar. Venkata Raghavan had good skills but not much of luck,\" by Mr. Shenoy R.
Dear Mr. Shenoy R.,
B.S. Chandrasekhar, the man with a polio-affected bowling arm, was not accurate or lacked direction. However, due to his polio-affected bowling arm, he was able to twist his wrist in any fashion and get sharp turn.
When he got assistance from the pitch, he was an unplayable bowler and ended up with many wickets. Otherwise, he could be a costly proposition. HE WAS SIMPLY UNPREDICTABLE and having him in the team was a big gamble for the Captain. It could end up either way.
However, all said and done, he was one of the great spin bowlers and I remember one day, when batting, he hit a boundary there was a roar of applause for him. This is simply because he had strength in his left arm and his right arm was weak, being polio-affected.
However, everytime when either E.A.S. Prasanna and Bishen Singh Bedi took a test wicket they would, much to the annoyance of the batsman who lost his wicket and the non-striker, run to the other man who took the wicket to congratulate and embrace him. This was a funny sight. All the members of the spin quartet had clean actions and were not chuckers. As simple as that.
Considering that few matches were played those days and four of them had to share the spoils of war, their contributions were immense.
Now that Muttiah Muralitharan is retired and out of the way, a lot of comments will be made about his bowling action by those who will be writing their autobiographies, including Umpires.
Regards,
Nelson |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Jul 24, 2010 |
"the priest shud be hung by his cassock. the swamy with his lungi or ranjithas langa."
Dear "Smitha Rai",
Thanks for confirming my doubts. Apparently you don't see any difference between Priests who abused kids and a 'swami' who had consensual sex with another adult.
Very nice! smiles... |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Jul 24, 2010 |
"Your affinity to one God / Goddess shows you are definitely a fake atheist more on the lines of hypocrite." - Judith L
Dear Judith,
I'm sure you have an answer to my following question -
Where did you find my "affinity to one God/Goddess" ?
Could you please explain? |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Jul 24, 2010 |
“every day now we only hear RSS, RSS, RSS in bomb blasts” – fake ‘vinod shetty’ confirming that he is living inside an echo-chamber!
True – that’s what happens when you voluntarily lock yourself inside an echo-chamber! Remember – you also have the help of your ‘lead singer’ from UAE who seems to be endorsing every propaganda link you paste here. Yes – keep singing – enjoy the echoing! |
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium |
Jul 24, 2010 |
Austin & Chris - Take it from me, these RSS angels are zealots and will go into any level to defend RSS and all its actions. If you dig into more history you will find the real motive to launch RSS. I was asked by hardcore RSS supporter that anyone in RSS can be leader of RSS, but recent findings is that RSS is still avoiding low caste Hindus and now we have Amit Shah another hardcore RSS activist is accused to kill 3 lives in Gujarat and BJP is doing everything possible to defend the accused and even in Godra probe then BJP backed NDA government was in power it took CBI and supported Modi the prime accused. Keep religions aside there is something called Humanity and it will never forgive someone done injustice to it, when the scriptures and religions had hit hard in the head they will see nothing that the narrow road in front of them.
Earlier, fake Pai told that RSS will die its own when there is no majority or minority issue in India, now RSS will die because of its terror and when RSS will be banned sooner or later I will be very elated man.
Kalladka Prabhakara Bhatta will be in hell very soon and I bet that if a probe is launched against him without any surprise they will find out that he was master mind in most of the communal riots in Mangalore and Austin regarding Shenoy even if he is a doctor and is communal, he will face the same fate like others done injustice to humanity with their blind & hatred idelogies. Humanity will survive and religions will die very soon when people will understand it, but brahmins will never accept the fact because it is their food and they are not ready to accept it. Where will Brahmins go if there is no temples for their survival?
Today we have Ketan fan Belgium tomorrow we might have Usha fan from USA and there was K Shenoy and I can bet with anyone he is a person writes with wrong identity to hide his identity because do the business on the mercy of minorities and lower caste Hindus in Mangalore. |
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| Ananda Padebettu, Mumbai, India |
Jul 24, 2010 |
These guys are hard working and deserve to earn a little more. -Shenoy maam.
Shenoy maam
They are already earning more than what they deserve,. Most of them have become Champs in looting the public. Meter down has become just a namesake procedure.
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| Alfred J. Rebello,, India |
Jul 24, 2010 |
They are all corrupt to the core. - Nelson.
Nelson, why you only blame politicians. We gave them the opportunity to take bribe by electing them. For me, 99% of the Indians are corrupt one way or the other. Even giving bribe is corrupt. Giver or taker, equally danger to the society. (for Ex.Reddy brothers) Everybody is waiting for the opportunity either to take or give. For me, we are not yet fit for democracy. May be after 25 yers or so provided we teach the dangers of corruption to the common man, from the schools itself. Before outsiders were taking everything and now, our respected elected politicians, be them from any party. And we are in hurry for everything to make more money and give bribe. Can you show me a single project Government has completed without taking or giving bribe. To survive in India, one should know either to take bribe or give bribe.
No a decent man, even he wants work sincerely and live peqacefully, cannot survive. You have to be a crook by hook or crook. This is what we tell the world. |
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| Alfred J. Rebello,, India |
Jul 24, 2010 |
I think you are interested in only such videos;-)) - Guru.
What sort of Videos are you interested in, Guru? Devotional or Spiritual? If you ask me, I enjoy watching such videos where I get little happiness in watching what others do. I hope you understood it. |
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| Kiran, USA |
Jul 23, 2010 |
kiran'jee, when the veda puranas were written, there ws no west. no western ideas. the so called western man were in caves. u hv 4gotn that aftr goin to the west? --Smitha Rai
Smitha'jee, you jumped to the vedas and puranas, just because I mentioned asanas, pranayamas and meditation ? I just said that this concept evolved in the east (for eliminating the stress) and the happy hour boozing concept evolved in the west (for suppressing the stress). Any problems with that ? |
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| Kiran, USA |
Jul 23, 2010 |
Life is life, whether it is human or not. If you argue that Humans are superior life form, how will you dispute if another fundamentalist comes along and claims males are superior life forms ? - Kiran
Kiran, do you realize what you're comparing in the first place ? --Chris Rego
If you want to answer the question, answer it. Do not dance around the subject. What do you think makes one species superior and another inferior life form ? If you really fancy one to be superior to another, then you should explain why you would stop there and not consider one race superior to another or one gender superior to another. Where would you draw the line of superior/inferior and why ? |
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| Kiran, USA |
Jul 23, 2010 |
Kiran (alias Bajjodi Dinesh P. Shenoy): --Nelson Lewis
Poor guess. My name is Kiran as your name is Nelson (I hope, I do not need to know more than that). Please do not live under false assumptions.
For your kind information C.B.I. has been the obedient master of the Government of the day. --Nelson Lewis
Which, for most of the 60+years has been Congress. Therefore it is popularly known as the Congress Bureau of Investigation.
However, in this day, the Supreme Court has directed C.B.I. to investigate the matter. It is not the case of you supporting B.J.P. and I supporting the Congress. They are all corrupt to the core. --Nelson Lewis
Yes, The Supreme Court has no other choice because this is the only Central Investigation unit. Unless they want to create a Judicial commission for every single incident. Yes, they are corrupt to the core, but the Congress has had more years to play out their brand of corruption. Just ask the Swiss banks. |
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| Kudpi Rajanikanth Shenoy, India |
Jul 23, 2010 |
Judith this duplicate pakya is rajnikanth shenoy
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Austin Noronha,
I hope you didn't mention my name.
If you did, please take back your word and apologise unconditionally for defaming me here!
Be careful next time, when you link my name here with some assumed character. I have a reputation within my profession and in Mangalore for which, I don't need cheap certificates or tabs from persons whom I have not seen or don't want to meet.
MIND IT. |
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| Nelson Lewis, Bahrain |
Jul 23, 2010 |
Kiran (alias Bajjodi Dinesh P. Shenoy):
For your kind information C.B.I. has been the obedient master of the Government of the day.
However, in this day, the Supreme Court has directed C.B.I. to investigate the matter. It is not the case of you supporting B.J.P. and I supporting the Congress. They are all corrupt to the core. |
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| Austin Noronha, Qatar |
Jul 23, 2010 |
Austin - Pakka Vaadya is someone writes with Original name here, and it is clear that who is writing with different Pakka Vaadya... They are coward people on this earth.-VRS
Vinod thanks for your support I need it very much to make these people open their eyes. Thanks once again vinod. |
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| Austin Noronha, Qatar |
Jul 23, 2010 |
| Whoever has supported me in my view, a big thank you to you all. I bank on your support in the future. If you go to see the writers in EYT you will notice that most of them are trying to defend the indefensible. I exclude my dear D.P.Maam from this. He is a gem of a person and there is no doubt about it. I wish him good health and a long life. I am for humanity and against any shitty ideology that divides people and makes them to hate others in the name of religion and who think that they are super human beings. I will go to any length and risk even my life to make these people know what life is. Humanity is my religion and I will sacrifice anything in my effort to see the humans as my own kind. |
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Jul 23, 2010 |
Tx for the link mate.
VRS, sadly a certain cross-section of our EYTian's don't see what they shield coz they have blinkers on. If they don't have them blinkers, they claim to have have spirituality. If they don't even have that, they compare.
Dildo sized Prozac needed for the Saffron brigade to soothe the psyche and physique, mate. |
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Jul 23, 2010 |
Daaktre shenoy,
Shenoy aand, shener aand, shenu aand. itthe daye itthina P (alias pakka, paapa, punya) pathondu nelondu ullar?
Daaktr uppunaga, nurse naklena vesha daye paduni ye? |
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Jul 23, 2010 |
Life is life, whether it is human or not. If you argue that Humans are superior life form, how will you dispute if another fundamentalist comes along and claims males are superior life forms ? - Kiran
Kiran, do you realize what you're comparing in the first place ? A plant/tree or any vegetation around has life too but winds up as fodder for animals, birds, rodents, insects, vegans/others. Looks like you haven't grasped the concept of the the food chain at all.
Regarding your q on humans - specifically the one whether males are superior, I'd rather believe that it was asked erroneously. Or probably were you fishing just b'coz it is summer thereabouts, and you have bait plenty? |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Jul 23, 2010 |
Nelson Lewis,
I haven't disputed that B S Bedi was a good bowler of his times. My very first sentence says so.
I believe in LAW and RULES. LAW OF LAND and RULES OF THE GAME. Right from my childhood days, there is not a single instance of me being a 'cry-baby' when I have lost or got out. We were once playing a match with our college seniors on Balmatta grounds who right from ball one tried intimidating us with some comments and unnecessary arrow-speed throw at the stumps and we lost 2 wickets in the first three balls of the 3rd over with some 6 or 7 runs on board. I came into bat and the last 2 deliveries went for a six and a four over covers and long off respectively. In the next over, a spinner came and when I got the chance to bat, 2 more boundaries came and now we were dictating terms to our seniors. When the bowler was about to bowl his next delivery, one fielder standing at covers clapped and yelled "Shabbhash shabbhash" (hand signals, clapping, moving sideways, talking are not allowed from the time the bowler starts his run-up to the ball comes into contact with the bat or left alone) and me instead of backing out from facing, went for that wide delievery and got an edge to the keeper. My rush of blood prevented me from backing out. I simply walked back and my team-mates were already in an argument with the opposition terming it to be a illegal delivery. By the time the argument ended, I was back and had finished half-a-bottle of water. The umpires hadn't termed it illegal though they should have since his yell was audible to my team-mates who were beyond the boundary line. But 'Aadare Hodare' is not my style. We lost the next wickets for some 15-20 runs and the overall total was surpassed within 4-5 overs. After thet match, I started my Hero Honda Splendor and my team-mates simply started their BMW (Bitch, Moan and Whine) over that dismisal of mine. This is my way of playing. Obey the rules of the game. Sometimes you be at the receiving end and sometimes you might get some advantage. Same like it happens in life, good times and bad times.
Rules are bigger than a player and a team. It is for the ICC to decide whether someone is at guilt or not. Murali hasn't been evicted simply off the hook. He has undergone rigorous tests after the accusation in 1995 with the use of technology. ICC appointed experts have evaluated him and they know more Cricket and more Cricketing laws than you and me. It is they who have cleared his action and it is not that he has been simply let off without any tests.
Different people may have different opinion about his action and achievements. What matters is what the Supreme Court of Cricket i.e. the ICC says. Well, it simply says 1. Muttaiah Muralitharan 2. Shane Keith Warne 3. Anil Radhakrishna Kumble. We have to learn from Murali, how one has to stay calm and composed, focused on goal, remain a gentleman despite people trying to pull you back or detract you from your trajectory.
Murali is the modern day Karna. Ill-fated, yet taller and more remembered than Arjuna. |
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| Smitha Rai, UAE |
Jul 23, 2010 |
It is a western idea to drink alcohol to drown out your stress and sadness and also as a social practice.@kiran
kiran'jee, when the veda puranas were written, there ws no west. no western ideas. the so called western man were in caves. u hv 4gotn that aftr goin to the west? |
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| Tony, USA |
Jul 23, 2010 |
| The "hindu atheist" on eyt believes in hindu metaphysics. The "christian atheist" on eyt believes in Christian metaphysics. I use the term "Christian atheist" to describe atheists who believe in Christian metaphysics. I will go over the contradictions of the "Christian atheist" who believes in Christian metaphysics. Christians believe in the importance of the individual soul because God made man in His image. Christians believe the individual is sacred and distinct. The "Christian atheist" who does not believe in God cannot at the same time claim the individual is sacred, distinct and important. In the absence of the Christian God, the human being is just another animal. |
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium |
Jul 23, 2010 |
| Austin - Pakka Vaadya is someone writes with Original name here, and it is clear that who is writing with different Pakka Vaadya... They are coward people on this earth. |
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium |
Jul 23, 2010 |
Another news about RSS and its terror plots exposed? Who told now that RSS is not terrorist organisation it is a terrorist organisation, every day now we only hear RSS, RSS, RSS in bomb blasts, tables have turned, RSS are now trying to find potholes to hide with shame, fake original pai has decided to stay back in Uruguay because USA has put him on no fly list.
The link for RSS terror plot is
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/site/Story/105546/120/saffron-brigades-terror-plots-exposed.html
RSS angels now there is no dignity at all, better find some other new organisation. |
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| Kiran, USA |
Jul 23, 2010 |
kiran'jee, you can try the eastern equal, that is somarasa or gangasara. --Smitha Rai
It is a western idea to drink alcohol to drown out your stress and sadness and also as a social practice. The eastern idea to relieve stress and any associated sadness is through pranayama, asanas and dhyana. |
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| Kiran, USA |
Jul 23, 2010 |
Just becos it is cow meat it has become such a big issue and linking it with vegetarism the RSS chamchas will not bother if it is goat meat, pork or fish. --Judith
Try really hard and look at it without the filter of RSS or Hindus or Brahmins and just see if you can understand the simple concept of vegetarianism. Life is life, whether it is human or not. If you argue that Humans are superior life form, how will you dispute if another fundamentalist comes along and claims males are superior life forms ? What makes one superior and other inferior ? Tony has not answered this question yet. Let us see if you have an answer. |
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| Nelson Lewis, Bahrain |
Jul 23, 2010 |
Mr. Elias (From Bantwal):
Well, do not expect the military to take power from the civilian government and run India. Once they taste power, they will not relinquish it.
Pakistan has had the military run the country virtually from the time it got its independence and it has had strong grip over that country. Today, the military is an institution, a parallel economy, a country within the country and due the amount of money that the Generals and the Officer Corps earn through various devious means, they are not ready to relinquish power.
Do you want that scenario in India? Things will change in our country and we will have good politicians, if we take them to task, make them to work and listen to our problems.
If people were assertive, we would not have corrupt politicians ruling the country. Politicians know that they can do anything and get away with it.
Regards,
Nelson |
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| Pakkavaadya, India |
Jul 23, 2010 |
Or else, they could always email our 'spiritual' pal Kiran or his sidekick Guru. -Chris Rego
You mean Pakkavaadya no 3? |
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| Pakkavaadya, India |
Jul 23, 2010 |
his day of judgement will come.-Dins
Have you not judged him already? Or is that you have forgiven him for he did not what he was upto? |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Jul 23, 2010 |
"What about those who do not leave their own biological daughters, whom they are supposed to protect?" Judy in response to Bhaskar's question on Priests abusing little boys.
Sure - What about these fathers? Also, what about the societies filled with single parents, broken marriages, pre-marital sex, child abuses ?
Why is it so hard for you to answer these questions? When a tough quesion is asked, you try to change the subject. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Jul 23, 2010 |
Tips on growing belly like a tanker? -Nagendra maam bowling an in swinger
Wow! I hope Bedi does not go through this comment. If not he might indeed start giving that tip as well. Seriously though, Prasanna also had a pot belly. Ihave watched him bowl at the KSCA stadium [Chinna Swamy stadium now] Even before that I had watched him at the exhibition match in Mangalore in 1968 at the central maidan. He used to throw lollypops by today's standards. Only bowler who had speed, direction, accuracy and spin was Chandra Shekar. Venkata Raghavan had good skills but not much of luck. With loose fielding from our players those days, bowlers could not achieve much more than that.
Coming back to Bedi, he is responsible for Mohali pitch to be made a fast track. In a way it helped our players to practice on some quality pitch as our players used to mash up the opposition in India but used to get mashed up overseas.
Anil Kumble is the most intelligent of Indian spinners. With his top spinners and variations, he has managed to get that impressive tally. Murali will have that record for a long time as 800 is a distant target for most bowlers.Shane Warne may have to come out of retirement to break that. |
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| Austin Noronha, Qatar |
Jul 23, 2010 |
| I don't spend my invaluable time to read rubbish, as it did not deserve any attention from me. |
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| Austin Noronha, Qatar |
Jul 23, 2010 |
Pakavaadya, Keeping names this shows your frustration and the category you and Ketan, Belgium, OR Pai belong to. This is your level of impressing your masters, RSS.-Judith
Judith this duplicate pakya is rajnikanth shenoy, and ketan is shenoy.r. an orthopaedician. I will bet my last dollar if they are not what I have said. You can fool the gullible and not me. |
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| Nelson Lewis, Bahrain |
Jul 23, 2010 |
In my earlier posts, I have been quite critical of the Indian Government for wanting to talk to Pakistan and recently I have not been happy with Mr. S.M. Krishna's visit to Pakistan to speak to his counterpart and pay courtesy calls to the Prime Minister and President.
I have always said that there is no democracy in Pakistan and what they say as democracy is just pseudo-democracy with the Pakistani Army Chief, Gen. Ashfaq Pervez Kayani calling the shots.
In one of my posts, I had said that what if the General does not want to retire or be replaced by his successor. What would the Government do? Will it have the powers to retire him, sack and replace him? In fact, the President and Prime Minister would have to give him extension or they would be ousted and put behind the bars.
How true, I was in my earlier assertions? The General has been given a three years extension. |
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| Nelson Lewis, Bahrain |
Jul 23, 2010 |
Dear Mr. Nagendra Shenoy,
I have high regards for Murali Muralitharan as a person, especially after the post-Tsunami era, when he has done a lot for the poor people of Sri Lanka, which I doubt if Indian cricketers, in spite of wealth held by some of them in billions, have done to alleviate the sufferings of the people of the poverty line.
Now coming to cricket, I do not consider Muralitharan as a bowler, but rather a chucker. That is it. Any person who chucks is able to get appreciable spin or hurl the bowl at much appreciable pace, compared to a genuine spinner or fast bowler.
Muralitharan has been rightly described by Bishen Singh Bedi as a chucker and javelin thrower and again as a chucker by Martin Crowe, the cousin brother of the illustrious Hollywood film actor, Russell Crower. So many others have been critical of his bowling action, which is amply clear to any person who is not blind and has vision in both eyes.
Muralitharan, Shoaib Akhtar, Lasith Mahalinga and others are not bowlers, but chuckers. As today, everyone is making a lot of money in big time cricket, they do not wish to blow the whistle and shoot their own feet. Everyone involved in international cricket, be it umpire, official, coach, trainer, manager, etc., do not wish to make any derogatory remarks of bowlers with suspect actions, especially when they make good money, stay in five star hotels, enjoy the best food and other luxuries and who knows what not, which they would not have had or savoured if they were not involved in cricket.
Mr. Nagendra Shenoy, for your kind information, Bishen Singh Bedi is a great spin bowler, with an easy bowling action, which anyone who has seen him would agree wth me. He was the part of the famed and feared spin quartet, the others being E.A.S. Prasanna, B.S. Chandrasekhar and S. Venkataraghavan. However, at that time the Indian batsmen could rarely pile up 350 runs, which would have been enough for them to wipe out the opposition. Such was their reputation. They acted as a pack of wolves and shared the spoils of war.
However, all of them had clean bowling actions, including Chandrasekhar, who bowling arm was polio-affected.
By saying that the likes of Bishen Singh Bedi can be found in gully cricket, you are not only insulting him and his three illustrious partners that I have mentioned above, but also other genuine international spin bowlers like Clarrie Grimmett, Bill O'Reilly, Lance Gibbs, Shane Warne, Bapu Nadkarni and Derek Underwood (the second last had an economy rate of under 2 in first class cricket and the last one had a test economy rate of 2.1 in tests) and giving respectability to a chucker.
Regards,
Nelson |
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| Austin Noronha, Qatar |
Jul 23, 2010 |
He is aping and gaping so much that he thinks the sun is rising from his---; scientifically speaking.-Pakya
Ha Haa Hahaaa!!! Pakya I know who you are from your writing style and don't think I am dumb like you. What do you know about science man? Otherwise you wouldn't speak this way. Let me be generous with you in revealing the secret of sun. It rises from your --- and sets in your brain burning it completely and that is why you are not able to think. I ridicule anything that deserves to be ridiculed no matter to which religion it belongs but at the same time I am not stupid to say something to lose my job in Qatar. I shall do it after I come back to India for good. If you have the guts to stop me from coming to India just try it and be prepared to face the consequence you another dim wit. I am coming this september and date & time I let you know when it is finalised. Again, if you have guts write the comments in your real name man. I don't have internet in my new residence I am expecting to get it day after tomorrow. See you on sunday. |
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium |
Jul 23, 2010 |
| Nagendra - May be B.S Bedi might have connection with RSS and he speaks in the same tone as Bheema Nitin Gadkari if you investigate more may be Bedi was in RSS. |
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| Pakkavaadya, India |
Jul 23, 2010 |
This country should be ruled by military for 5 years -Elias
Really? What has happened in Pakistan Elias? Is it a good country by any stretch of imagination? You have plenty of freedom including freedom of expression in India. Your fore fathers who opted for Pakistan may be regretting it now. You are lucky to be in the best country in the world.It does not need military or even emergency rule for that matter.All it needs is non corrupt people to run the country. That's all.As Indians get more educated, they will root out this malady of corruption slowly but surely. As India becomes more prosperous and becomes an economic super power, corruption will become a thing of the past.Education is the key to success.Tell your guys to get quality education and not some noisy crap churned out through the mike disturbing peace of neighbourhood. |
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| Pakkavaadya, India |
Jul 23, 2010 |
my heart bleeds for my motherland.-Yankee Pakkavaadya
Hey Yankee, does your heart bleed for your mother land or some selected folks there? Judy aunty se kehna ki gussa nahin karna. Gussa achchca nahin hai. |
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| Ketan, Belgium |
Jul 23, 2010 |
Bilkul accha nahi laga. -Judy
Shaayad aap sharmagayi hongi. Koyi baat nahin. Thodi dayr ke baad poochenge Judy. |
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| Guru, India |
Jul 23, 2010 |
This country should be ruled by military for 5 years all the ills will disappear.@elias/Bantwal on corrupt mines lobby getting elected to Assembly and Parliament.
Good suggestion elias. But when the people in Military are also if corrupt, what solution will you have? |
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| Judith L, India |
Jul 23, 2010 |
“You are a fake Atheist” – Well, I don’t believe in labels. Yes, I have my doubts on the concept of God. But, you are missing the bigger point. Who told you that an ‘atheist’ can’t be vegetarian? Again, you are equating ‘vegetarianism’ to a religion – Please try to think outside your religion. - O R Pai
Your affinity to one God / Goddess shows you are definitely a fake atheist more on the lines of hypocrite.
How about changing ur name to "Original Atheist" (can't help laughing) |
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| Guru, India |
Jul 23, 2010 |
Ranjithas sincere devotee no doubt and we all saw it in the Video.@Gayathri
I think you are interested in only such videos;-)) |
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| Judith L, India |
Jul 23, 2010 |
Dear Pakkavadya,
You are stressing out our Austin maam and Judith Aunt! :-) Didn't you see some of their posts - especially ones by Austin? - o r pai
no it is the other way round o r pai, u are getting more stressed since u cannot avoid calling names and showing ur cheap mentality. A person who is not sure about himself and wants to prove he is original what else can we expect from him. |
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| Judith L, India |
Jul 23, 2010 |
Are you in support of pedophiles. Is that the place that you want to be taught about Sex ? and that too from someone who has no knowledge about it and running of a family ?. Bhaskar, India
What about those who do not leave their own biological daughters, whom they are supposed to protect? |
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| Smitha Rai, UAE |
Jul 23, 2010 |
How about konji and yettida podi chutney instead?@pookivadya
pakkajee, au ireg panthina mardh. |
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| Smitha Rai, UAE |
Jul 23, 2010 |
Maybe you can ask your doctor for Prozac. That is what western science prescribes.@kiran
kiran'jee, you can try the eastern equal, that is somarasa or gangasara. |
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| Smitha Rai, UAE |
Jul 23, 2010 |
What do you think of priest scandal where innocent boys were abused? Who do you think is worse? Swami Nithyananda OR one of those priests? @smitha rai
the priest shud be hung by his cassock. the swamy with his lungi or ranjithas langa. |
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| Nelson Lewis, Bahrain |
Jul 23, 2010 |
Dear Mr. Nagendra Shenoy,
When I was a youngster, India did not have test batsmen, who could rattle up say 250 to 350 runs, which would have been quite adequate for our famed quartet comprising B.S. Chandrasekhar, E.A.S. Prasanna, Bishen Singh Bedi and S. Venkataraghavan doing havoc with their potent spin bowling in the 1960s and 1970s.
They were great spin bowlers (and not chuckers) sharing the spoils of war amongst themselves (and not singly). Characters like Muttiah Muralitharan, Lasith Mahalinga, Shoaib Akhtar and others are mere chuckers (and not bowlers). Let us face the facts.
B.S. Chandrasekhar, used to be one of the most dangerous and unplayable bowler on his day when he got assistance from the pitch and his fastest delivery was much faster than any Indian medium pacer. Do you know this man\'s bowling arm was polio-affected, but no one ACCUSED HIM OF CHUCKING. Why? Simply, because there was nothing suspicious about his bowling action.
I do not consider Muralitharan as a great spin bowler, but a great chucker. You may be offended and may spew venom against me, but I believe in speaking the facts, rather than mincing words. His bowling action is simply suspect. In fact, he should not have been allowed to bowl, but play as a batsman, fielder, wicket-keeper or 12th man, if there were such roles for him.
However, in today\'s big time and big money cricket, an international umpire or anyone does not want to blow-the-whistle, simply because he may lose his job and end up in wilderness or face a lot of wrath. Well, one is getting bundles of notes that makes their bank balances healthier by the day, enjoying five star hospitality, wallowing in luxury, meeting high and mighty and enjoying other things, why would lesser mortals upset the apple cart?
As regards, Bishen Singh Bedi, during his days, his bowling was a poetry in motion. Nagendra, please do not get carried away by Muralitharan\'s achievements which, in fact, are not achievements, but a career marred with doubts and controversies. Martin Crowe, Bishen Singh Bedi and others are not morons to criticise his bowling action, but personalities with sterling characters and not some devious characters or flunkeys making the best of the situation and going with the tide. Otherwise, like some sly or pliant cricketers, you would have found Bishen Singh Bedi having some role in B.C.C.I.
Well, as a person, Muralitharan is a very nice guy and probably a man with a big heart. He has done a lot for the poor and down-trodden survivors of Tsunami-struck villages in Sri Lanka and they are ever grateful to him. He could have enjoyed a luxurious life, enjoyed his wealth and spun around in fancy vehicles. On this score, I have high regards for him, but not as a cricketer.
The great spin bowlers are Clarrie Grimmett, Lance Gibbs, Anil Kumble, Shane Warne, Derek Underwood (Economy rate: 2.10 per over) and others. Forget about the technology, etc. These people had very clean bowling action and they could not be accused of chucking.
These are my views and you are free to stick to your gun.
Regards,
Nelson |
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| Smitha Rai, UAE |
Jul 23, 2010 |
Hello fake Smitha Rai - Smitha means Smile, this is quite a typical Hindu name that is associated by your types.@bhaskara
about 30 years back wen i used to pick up my son from st. aloysious school, there used to b a charmburi and omlett shop run by a man named bhaskar. everybody used to call him bhaskara.
so are u the same bhaskara. when did u learn to blog? |
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| Judith L, India |
Jul 23, 2010 |
| Just becos it is cow meat it has become such a big issue and linking it with vegetarism the RSS chamchas will not bother if it is goat meat, pork or fish. As usual you will only give a communal flavour and then say you are spiritualists but when you are told to help the poor and needy you will say we rather use the money for decorating the temples and this helping the poor and needy is the Govt's work. Why a money lender will see that his loan is not returned back from the poor farmer ? simple 2moro he will not get hold over his land against which the meagre loan was taken, who are the money lenders ? |
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| Judith L, India |
Jul 23, 2010 |
Wrong or right. Achcha lagaa ki nahin? Humn? Humn? - Ketan, Belgium
Bilkul accha nahi laga. As told earlier you are asking these questions to the wrong person. You may ask it to girjamma or sakku or sushila your neighbours from your village depenidng on their mood they will react to you. |
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| Judith L, India |
Jul 23, 2010 |
| Pakavaadya, Keeping names this shows your frustration and the category you and Ketan, Belgium, OR Pai belong to. This is your level of impressing your masters, RSS. |
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium |
Jul 23, 2010 |
Nagendra - RSS is still finding some problems, why you do not leave your job and help them may be Desh drohi Mohan Bhagwat will give u some money from the bribe he took from ISI.
Austin- You need to understand Brahmins and their chelas game, see none have said anything about the outlook published article, so I think you should be well prepared with some links like Swami Kiran and duplicate pai is writing because he has to write something to defend his masters in RSS. |
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium |
Jul 23, 2010 |
| Ketan - You are Ketan fan of RSS and Brahmins, make sure your wings are perfect if not they will dismantle it. |
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| Pakkavaadya, USA |
Jul 23, 2010 |
Vaadyaar, aap kaun hai by the way? Some one with no ego? - Pakkavaadya,
How can you blithely make such remarks living in an alien land against someone from the motherland. Whatever happened to the swan song - my heart bleeds for my motherland. |
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| Pakkavaadya, India |
Jul 23, 2010 |
Hi "Smitha Rai" (i love these fake names!!),
- O R Pai
Next time call her Smitha Rego. Shayad sharmaayegi[aa] |
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| Pakkavaadya, India |
Jul 23, 2010 |
This Pakkavadya is a doctor -Another vaadya
Vaadyaar, aap kaun hai by the way? Some one with no ego? |
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| Pakkavaadya, India |
Jul 23, 2010 |
saibere! eerena action bodchi...aava. yenku goanthaandu eer yer panndu.-K Shenoy
Panda ereg gottandu attay Shenere. Apaga tondare ijji. Eregla panochi aave? |
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| Pakkavaadya, India |
Jul 22, 2010 |
Austin,
If you still have not figured out who this PakkaVaadya is, here is the clue.
This Pakkavadya is a doctor supplanted as someone who he is not and given below is his song of melancholy flowing out of insecurities -
A doctor with a bruised ego, tired of
Seeing his image in the white skin
Tried to put a band aid on his bruised ego.
He tried to soothe his feelings by
Offering the empty lip service before an
Audience lost in the sea of confusion
He tried to stick his neck out
To check the pulse of the audience
As a doctor does using his gadget
His words betrayed the pain felt by
A soul tormented by living in an
Alien land, waiting for a ray of hope
He spent the sleepless nights
And breatheless days in the land
Of dreams, now turned sour.
Not being sure of what the future
Might hold, the doctor spent the
Starless nights gazing into the empty space
In the echoes of the distant memories
Rolling like the boisterous waves,
The doctor lost his way in the stormy winds
Whither shall he go to find the Medicine
Which might offer the solace to a
Wearied soul living in a distant land |
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| Pakkavaadya, India |
Jul 22, 2010 |
when they see the word vegetarian, some people hear the word Hindu and Brahmin -Kiran
May be he got mixed up with some puli. |
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| Pakkavaadya, India |
Jul 22, 2010 |
You are stressing out our Austin maam and Judith Aunt! :-) O R Pai
The first one is business and the next one is pleasure.:) |
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| K Shenoy, India |
Jul 22, 2010 |
He is aping and gaping so much that he thinks the sun is rising from his---; scientifically speaking.
saibere! eerena action bodchi...aava. yenku goanthaandu eer yer panndu. gaathigaanda thondare ijji. enku kusaal pannda aapuji.
rego maamereglaa aavand kusaal. |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Jul 22, 2010 |
"It is a state government of the Hindus by the Hindus for the Hindus. Human life is superior to animal life. People who hold that human life has the same value as animal life have little respect for human life." - Tony, USA
Questions:
1. Who told you that our state govt is only for Hindu people? Your masters?
2. What makes you think that animal life is being treated as superior to human life? Are you just making this up OR you have something to substantiate? |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Jul 22, 2010 |
Dear Pakkavadya,
You are stressing out our Austin maam and Judith Aunt! :-) Didn't you see some of their posts - especially ones by Austin?
Now you are talking about his 'last wish'? oh God! He is going to personally come and get you from where ever you are! Be careful. smiles... |
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| Tony, USA |
Jul 22, 2010 |
| It is a state government of the Hindus by the Hindus for the Hindus. Human life is superior to animal life. People who hold that human life has the same value as animal life have little respect for human life. |
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| Kiran, USA |
Jul 22, 2010 |
kiran'jee, only people who eat vadas can read vedas properly and intepret wisely? such a sad view. --Smitha Rai
Why are you sad ? Maybe you can ask your doctor for Prozac. That is what western science prescribes. (Read the book Prozac nation, if you get a chance). Yes, only those who know the proper context can interpret any sentence correctly. Do you have a problem with that ? For your information, here is what Max Muller wrote to his wife:
The translation of the Veda will hereafter tell to a great extent on the fate of India and on the growth of millions of souls in that country. It is the root of their religion, and to show them what the root is, I feel sure, is the only way of uprooting all that has sprung from it during the last 3000 years. (Wiki)
Now do you see the difference ? |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Jul 22, 2010 |
Dear Austin Noronha,
Hope you are okay. Your last post made me worry about your health. There is no need to get all worked up over exchanging of ideas and some healthy debate on an open forum.
Let me take your points one by one and respond here. (I’m going to ignore all the insults you hurled at me – I hope you are okay with my approach).
1. “Attempt to make others follow his/her ideals, belief, ideology” – No, I am not trying to do this. Moreover, this is not ‘my’ ideology. The concept of ‘vegetarianism’ has been around for thousands of years. This is not about religion or anything. This is about being sensitive to other creatures.
2. “Now tell me frankly would you have advocated vegetarianism if you were born to parents who eat both veg and non-veg food?” – Yes, I would have advocated for this irrespective of what my parents do. I do what I believe are right things. For example, my parents are very religious folks. However, I am not religious.
3. “…right or wrong, rational or irrational, logical or illogical” – Yes, I believe ‘vegetarianism’ is right, rational and logical. That’s why I promote it with passion. I will explain these points in greater details below.
4. “Imagine people stop eating chicken, mutton, beef, pork, will not their population keep growing exponentially?” – Remember, we raise these animals and birds. We raise chicken, pigs, cows and goats. How can the population grow exponentially when you stop animal farming for the purpose of ‘meat’ industry?
5. “Will you start cutting down all the forests to feed the exponentially growing population of birds and animals?” – I’m glad that you brought up this point. Let me explain how ‘meat’ industry is not sustainable. Think of a cow or a goat. Think of how much water, food and energy are required to raise it before we slaughter it for meat. Now compare the input to output. Compare the amount of meat you get to all the water, food and energy you spent raising it. In other words, you spend so many resources to get very little in return. If we start consuming more and more meat, there is no way we can find enough resources and energy to support it.
6. “please note that humans have evolved gradually” – Agreed. I am not questioning the past. I’m only questioning what we are doing now when we have other options.
7. “protein rich food” – As you know, we can get enough protein from plant based diet.
8. “You are a fake Atheist” – Well, I don’t believe in labels. Yes, I have my doubts on the concept of God. But, you are missing the bigger point. Who told you that an ‘atheist’ can’t be vegetarian? Again, you are equating ‘vegetarianism’ to a religion – Please try to think outside your religion.
Well, I hope I have addressed all of your questions (except the personal insults). Let me know if you have any more questions. I will be glad to answer (of course, without any personal insults)... |
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| Kiran, USA |
Jul 22, 2010 |
which community banned cow slaughter? Is it muslims or christians? No it is hindus who did it - Austin Noronha.
Why are you so communal minded ? Instead of trying to split it communally, understand that it is an elected state Government of the people, by the people and for the people that was compassionate enough towards animals to ban their slaughter. When you see PETA (People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals) do you ask whether they are Hindus, Christians, Muslims or Jews ? They are humanitarians with compassion towards animals. It is a sign of maturity to be compassionate towards all life including animals (as long as it is not endangering your life). Do you consider human life to be superior to animal life ? Do you consider male life superior to female life ? Where do you draw this line of superior and inferior life ? As we mature as a society, we have to give up this false notion of superiority and live in harmony.
PS: It is true what O.R.Pai said, when they see the word vegetarian, some people hear the word Hindu and Brahmin and not the actual word vegetarian. |
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| Pakkavaadya, India |
Jul 22, 2010 |
What will be your last will?-Guru to Austin
To find out who is this Pakkavaadya and give away all his wealth for entertaining him free of cost in this world full of stress. Correct ki Austin? |
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| Pakkavaadya, India |
Jul 22, 2010 |
hey max, don't u have a bassist in your band? -Jude
He is a pakkavaadya. Hence does not get publicity. Samjhe? |
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| Pakkavaadya, India |
Jul 22, 2010 |
go beta, eat a burgher and pizza drink cola insted of kalakatta and slp.-Smitha
How about konji and yettida podi chutney instead? |
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| Smitha Rai, UAE |
Jul 22, 2010 |
... I said that it is a good idea if one who knows the Vedas interpret the meanings wisely instead of westerners like Max Meuller who interpreted eastern concepts with western view points.@kiran
kiran'jee, only people who eat vadas can read vedas properly and intepret wisely? such a sad view. if u read vedas or hindu philosofy well, u will know it is bad to go out of bharatmata. look at u, u are in ullal sankaa ache [usa], and talk big kumbalakai about east and vadas and vedas.
go beta, eat a burgher and pizza drink cola insted of kalakatta and slp. |
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| Bonnie, USA |
Jul 22, 2010 |
Please refine yourselves while rubbishing; - Guru,
I am not quite sure what are you trying to convey here by your namby-pmaby one-liners. I suppose you are maven who could swing across your sword brazenly, claiming to be a maverick by your streak of one-liners. Have you heard of Kali temple in Calcutaa, where they still offer animal sacrifices. While I was travelling to Kudremukh, there was this practice of sacrifcing a buffallo to some diety every year in Karkala. I am not sure if this practice is still in vogue. Then, there is this eerie practice of sacrificing innumerable animals to all these phantoms floating in the air. I am just highlighting a few instances here, how it might not have occured to you to check your backyard before rushing to brandish your sword.
Ah! such a dazzling failure of spectacular showmanship. It is not uncommon to mistake thunderstorms for thunderous applause. If ignorance is bliss, then heads would have to be bowed (or shaved?). |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Jul 22, 2010 |
which community banned cow slaughter? Is it muslims or christians? No it is hindus who did it - Austin Noronha.
Wrong Mr. Noronha. Cow slaughter is not yet banned and beef is still available in the market. Just because BJP is trying to implement this Bill, you cannot conclude Hindus have banned it. If that is the case I will have to question, who is the 'Maut Ka Saudagar' in 1975, 1984 - I and 1984 - II?
It is the State Government ruled by BJP which is elected by the citizens of Karnataka that is trying to ban the cow slaughter. Yes, majority votes are Hindu votes but that doesn't count here. Remember, people from the same religion are also agaisnt the ban. Eg - Girish Karnad, U R Anantha Murthy, B Janardhana Poojary, H D Deve Gowda et al. Then there are some like me who have stayed neutral, for which sufficient explanation is given yesterday in my reply to Chris Rego. |
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| Pakkavaadya, India |
Jul 22, 2010 |
Pakkavaadya (Or Pakka Vaada?)
-Alfred
Kya vada saambaar rakha hai saibaa?Vaadya mollyari kolunka naa ki tumkaa? |
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| Pakkavaadya, India |
Jul 22, 2010 |
A car driver opened the door of his vehicle unmindful of vehicles passing by.
-From DH
In other words, the car driver was in gross violation of road rules. He caused obstruction of busy traffic along that road. It is possible that he stopped and tried to get down illegally where he was not suppossed to stop and or get down.The bus driver probably did not anticipate this and he rammed into the bike driver Mohandas who fell off the bike hitting the open car door which came in its path. Both car driver and bus driver need to be severely punished for the loss of life of this innocent victim. I do not know if he was dangerously over taking by the way. |
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| Guru, India |
Jul 22, 2010 |
"If muslims or christians do something silly or irrational.... " Austin Noronha assures that he will comment.
Now tell me Austin, do you think keeping a dead for a day in anticipation of coming back to life is ever thought of by you ?
What will be your last will? |
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| Pakkavaadya, India |
Jul 22, 2010 |
Do you mean to say, only if I agree with your belief that Sun revolves around the earth, I am Indian? --Austin Noronha, Qatar
-Kiran to Austin
He is aping and gaping so much that he thinks the sun is rising from his---; scientifically speaking. |
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| Pakkavaadya, India |
Jul 22, 2010 |
I have no problems with you aping or gaping. -Austin
Kaale poora bappar ullaitha ya tummi? Ape ani gape mallyari kaale? Gottu assa ki tumkaa? Devu tumkaa scientific jaavnoo boren koro. |
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| Guru, India |
Jul 22, 2010 |
ahimsa, and other rubbish stuff and thus trying to pretend .."Austin Noronha
Read this part of your comment again Austin. If Ahimsa is rubbish, you are negating Buddha, Mahaveera and Jesus Christ -all in a bundle.
None of the free thinkers, even rationalists and atheists have contradicted "ahimsa" as rubbish.
Please refine yourselves while rubbishing;-) |
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| PDP JR, India |
Jul 22, 2010 |
Let me try to use your intelligence on knowledge into useful things rather than on issues of spirits and spirituality.
I was told that western and eastern philosophies and knowledge differ and therefore they use different paradigms to explain concepts.
For example : Eastern philosophy sees the whole picture and is descriptive whereas western philosophy goes by numbers and thus is reductionistic in its approach, it dissects things or breaks the big things into smaller bits.
Kiran, can you provide some deep insights and deep thoughts on this interesting thought? I think you could do well (based on your technical skills and flair in writing and quest to explain and ability to search for deeper meaning in everything you do) in this direction.
I urge you to put forward your views in a deeply researched article capable of giving deep insights, start a good debate here at EYT or in Mangalorean.com in general.
I think your talents are going waste here - trying to refute or explain the intangible to tangible.
Best of luck. |
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| Kiran, USA |
Jul 22, 2010 |
Tell me first of all whether you think at all? --Austin Noronha, Qatar to OR Pai
Such a condescending attitude will not make for a good exchange of ideas/opinions.
Imagine people stop eating chicken, mutton, beef, pork, will not their population keep growing exponentially? --Austin Noronha, Qatar
Seriously ? Is that your best argument ? The streets, farms and forests of Karnataka will be filled with fowl, goats, cows and pigs ? very funny.
It {Human body}needs protein rich food which is in concentrated quantity in dairy food. I suggest you to do an experiment to convert all the carnivores to herbivores and all the herbivores to carnivores --Austin Noronha, Qatar
Human body can get its required proteins from vegetarian sources like milk, whole grains, vegetables, fruits, legumes, nuts, seeds, etc. Just because carnivores eat raw meat, that does not mean we should eat raw meat. I had posted it earlier on EYT, but you can study if the human dental structure and digestive system is evolved for digesting meat or softer (cooked) vegetarian food. |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Jul 22, 2010 |
I agree with Shenoy Maam when he mentioned 'fear psychosis'. Probably those scary eyes he made while releasing the ball was a part of it.
Congratulations to Murali on reaching the magical 800 wickets mark. Thank you so much for entertaining us and putting us to awe with some breath taking spin and skidders and more so for remaining a 'gentleman' all through the career.
Among the current players, the highest wicket tally is that of Makhaya Ntini (admired him for the angle he created for right handers and run-up) who is on 390, followed by Harbhajan Singh on 355, Daniel Vettori on 325 and Brett Lee on 310. Next in line is Jacques Kallis on 266. Incidentally, Kallis is not a specialist bowler. What is notable about this Test match is Hrabhajan Singh, whom Murali contemplated to break his record has gone wicketless in this match!!
Performance, longevity, reliability, low profile - These are the hallmarks of 'Murali 800' and 'Maruti 800' (Read this on the net) |
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| Ketan, Belgium |
Jul 22, 2010 |
Read my comment again and again till u get it.-Judy
Kyonji? Yeh koyi love letter thodi hai ke baar baar paden? Aap bhi kamaal karti hein. |
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| Alfred J. Rebello,, India |
Jul 22, 2010 |
The BJP Government is responsible keeping the Bars open till 2 AM. You can eat and drink as much as you can. Don’t worry about the others. - Pakkavaadya (Or Pakka Vaada?)
To whose sake these Bars are open, Pakkavaada? Is it for common man or to those who can afford it? As I said before, BJP is only for Rich and perhaps somewhat middle class people and not for common man, so called minorities etc. They try to eliminate them by fake encounters, using some religious fanatics |
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| Kiran, USA |
Jul 22, 2010 |
Look what Kiran is upto in his futile attempt to explain his spirituality? Which he says is -"Study of who I am" --Austin Noronha, Qatar
I am surprised you cannot figure out the difference between a conversation is about spirituality and when it is not. Did you not claim to be a thinker ? Is it an empty claim ?
Do you mean to say, only if I agree with your belief that Sun revolves around the earth, I am Indian? --Austin Noronha, Qatar
Analogy or not, you know very well that the idea of a Geocentric universe idea originated in the west and persisted for a very long time. In contrast, the Indian system has been Heliocentric.
Please understand that spirituality is derived from the word "spirit" --Austin Noronha, Qatar
If you can make this big inference you might be able to think a little more and further see the connection to the study of the true Self.
Please understand that an Indian is not judged by the ideas or beliefs one holds whether it be true or false but by ones birth, by his ancestry, by his family tree, etc. I am an Indian and I am proud to be one. --Austin Noronha
Read my post again and I said that it is a good idea if one who knows the Vedas interpret the meanings wisely instead of westerners like Max Meuller who interpreted eastern concepts with western view points. If we do that, we may never be sure if we understood the real intended meaning.
My ancestors were Hindus and somewhere down the line they converted to Christianity by force or by allurement or whatever reasons that may be. Hence, I was born as a Christian and lived for some years as a Christian and then I saw the truth by questiong, reasoning and analyzing the religion in the context of universe, big bang, black holes, galaxies, spacetime, etc. and of course the science. --Austin Noronha
Never give up questioning, reasoning and analyzing.
For your kind information the word "Spirituality" is derived from the word "Spirit" and "Spirit" to the thinking people is a non sense that has been concocted by the ancient boogie man who carried out the rituals for the foolish people for their selfish gains. --Austin Noronha, Qatar
That is an escapist answer, usually given by someone who cannot or does not think or by one who thinks and gives up. You just said that you question, reason and analyze. Did you not ? It takes a lot more questioning, reasoning and analysis to figure out the answer to this seemingly simple question "Who am I" instead of just pretending to know. Do you think you can answer that without using any attributes or taxonomy ? Let us see if you know enough science and QM to answer this question - Does matter produce consciousness, or is consciousness an inherent property of matter or does consciousness produce matter ? By consciousness, I mean the first person subject-ive perspective awareness of the world. |
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| Austin Noronha, Qatar |
Jul 22, 2010 |
Hey Austin, have you realised that you seem to be attacking people of certain religion only all the time even though you claim that you are an aetheist yourself?-Pakya
Hey pakya my comment has nothing do with you man, it is intended only to those who speak laurels about their spirituality, ahimsa, and other rubbish stuff and thus trying to pretend as if they know everything and are most knowledgeable persons. I have no problems with you aping or gaping. Nothing can stop you doing that. Keep doing it but for your aping and gaping don't deny the rights of others. Do you understand this? |
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| Austin Noronha, Qatar |
Jul 22, 2010 |
Hey Austin, have you realised that you seem to be attacking people of certain religion only all the time even though you claim that you are an aetheist yourself?
HA HA HA Pakkavadya:) You seem to come just one or two days ago and seem to know a lot about me. How come? You an old member with changed name? Aren't you? Come on I know who you are man and what's your real name is. Does the word "Overdoing" ring a bell. You might probably write next comment with your real name seconding pakkavadya's comment.
Now tell me Pakka, which community banned cow slaughter? Is it muslims or christians? No it is hindus who did it. So I wrote about hindus who are in favour of banning cow slaughter and. If muslims or christians do something silly or irrational as that I will critisize them as well. Go through all my comments again and tell me which community I have not critisized.
Try to get the gist of my comment by thinking instead of blindly commenting. Don't you have any answers to my previous comment? You are fit for hiding behind the mask and throwing stones. |
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| Judith L, India |
Jul 22, 2010 |
So you seem to suggest that all politicians are chors. But you have some soft corner for some and look the other way when they make mistakes. Am I right? Madam Soniaji does not fit into the description you have used. Am I right? Rahul bhayya does not. Am I right? Priyanks does not. Am I right? Jannu Poojary does not. Right? Wrong. Who is Jannu Poojary? - Ketan, Belgium
I do not know whether u wear spectacles. if not pls. do so or if u r already wearing u can add one more pair or u r unable to read and digest what is written. Read my comment again and again till u get it. |
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| Ketan, Belgium |
Jul 22, 2010 |
FOR UR KIND INFORMATION I HAVE NO REGARD FOR THE POLITICIANS WHETHER CONGRESS, BJP OR JD ALL ARE CHORS FOR ME. LOOTING THE COUNTRY.-Jude
Oh my! Oh my! You sound so good young lady. What can you do about that? Any solution?
So you seem to suggest that all politicians are chors. But you have some soft corner for some and look the other way when they make mistakes. Am I right? Madam Soniaji does not fit into the description you have used. Am I right? Rahul bhayya does not. Am I right? Priyanks does not. Am I right? Jannu Poojary does not. Right? Wrong. Who is Jannu Poojary? |
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| Ketan, Belgium |
Jul 22, 2010 |
SO, u r not sure ? - Judy Aunty
Hey Judy Aunty. Why is that you are talking to yourself? Have you realised that Judith L speaking to Judith L? Did you check that post? Have you acted in school dramas where you had to talk to yourself ? [thinking aloud] |
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| Pakkavaadya, India |
Jul 22, 2010 |
this an act of god-Mushtaq
Looks like you are working for some insurance company. |
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| Pakkavaadya, India |
Jul 22, 2010 |
Why are you feeling shy to say you are subscriber of one of the opiates???-Austin
Hey Austin, have you realised that you seem to be attacking people of certain religion only all the time even though you claim that you are an aetheist yourself? All you neeed is a mirror man. A clean one at that so that you can see, smile and realise that you are still a handsome guy inspite of frowning at unnecessary things over which you have no control at all. Stop frowing. Start smiling. It does not cost you any thing. Not even a pai I promise. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Jul 22, 2010 |
| Congratulations to the spin wizard Muttiah Muarlitharan on achieving that great land mark of 800 test wickets. Pragyan Ojha was his 800th scalp incidentally. Murali can happily retire now in Chennai where he is settled by the way. Perhaps he would consider coaching youngsters how to spin that cherry and more importantly how to instill fear psychosis in the opposition camp. Cricket is a mental game as lots of thinking and planning go into that. He is an intelligent cricketer who believed in himself and achieved what appeared to be just a dream once.Happy retired life Murali. Thanks for the great entertainment you have provided.Cheers. |
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| Ketan, Belgium |
Jul 22, 2010 |
u R telling it 2 the wrong person. -Jude
Wrong or right. Achcha lagaa ki nahin? Humn? Humn? |
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| Austin Noronha, Qatar |
Jul 22, 2010 |
this is a joke one man trying to take development of mangalore hostage- Peter
I agree completely with the views of Peter. I wouldn't like to see my children going to a foreign country to earn their living. This is not only the reason but there are plenty. I don't want to elaborate it now. I shall do it at a suitable time. |
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| Austin Noronha, Qatar |
Jul 22, 2010 |
This is a mistake Westerners make when they study anything of Eastern origin.-Kiran
Cripes!!! Look what Kiran is upto in his futile attempt to explain his spirituality? Which he says is -"Study of who I am" JJ LOL. And if anyone doesn't agree with his crap, he will brand him/her, a westerner. Come on you dim witted Kiran, I can challenge you that I am as much Indian as you are, or probably more. Do you think Hinduism is one of the criteria to be an Indian? ??? Do you mean to say, only if I agree with your belief that Sun revolves around the earth, I am Indian???? And if I say earth revolves around the Sun I am not an Indian. I hope you are wise enough to draw the meaning from this analogy. I don’t need anyone’s permission to say I am an Indian and I will fight tooth and nail with those hypocrites who say I am not an Indian. BTW who are you? Are you the owner of India? I am a man of reason and I know to judge between right & wrong, logic & illogic, rational & irrational, myth & truth, right and false. Can you??? A big NO!!! And I don’t need a lesson from you on spirituality. Please understand that spirituality is derived from the word “spirit” and I don’t believe in things like spirit, ghost or god with an exception to one spirit i.e. alcohol. In such a case spirituality is rubbish to me and it was invented by the vested interests to prey on the gullibles.
Please understand that an Indian is not judged by the ideas or beliefs one holds whether it be true or false but by ones birth, by his ancestry, by his family tree, etc. I am an Indian and I am proud to be one. I don’t want anyone’s certificate to prove that I am an Indian. The reason for my pride is that I am born in such a beautiful country with vast natural resources and a land which has produced many brilliant brains like Aryabata, who gave the number “0” to the world without which the world would not have advanced so much in computers, electronics, etc., as it is now. But there is a sad part to it as well, which is the mentality of some people who think they are custodians of India and spread hatred against those who do not subscribe to their ideology and they are your cronies like RSS, VHP, Bajrang Dal, et al, who want to take India back to its ancient past.
My ancestors were Hindus and somewhere down the line they converted to Christianity by force or by allurement or whatever reasons that may be. Hence, I was born as a Christian and lived for some years as a Christian and then I saw the truth by questiong, reasoning and analyzing the religion in the context of universe, big bang, black holes, galaxies, spacetime, etc. and of course the science.
I am not among those gullible people to take your junk as true. For me a junk is junk irrespective of what civilization or religion it belongs, whether to eastern or western. For your kind information the word “Spirituality” is derived from the word “Spirit” and “Spirit” to the thinking people is a non sense that has been concocted by the ancient boogie man who carried out the rituals for the foolish people for their selfish gains. Although, you physically leave in this advanced world your mentality corresponds to that of ancient stone age people. You will go to any length to defend the indefensible. So it will not be a surprise to me if you come up with more crap in EYT. |
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| elias/bantwal, India |
Jul 22, 2010 |
| this is an suppliment to your article.written by SWAMINATHAN S. ANKLESARIA AIYER(swaminomics) IN TIMES OF INDIA during 2003,although the BJP and congress party both seem keen on banning cow slaughter throughout India, it looks as though dissent from other parties has blocked the move for the time being.some critics protest that cow worship is strictly Hindu idea that must be imposed on others in a secular state, Aiyer agrees. Buthe goes further ,he hoLdS that cow slaughter and beef eating are proven Hindu traditions of old.This has been recorded by any numbers of scholars of vedas and epics.He gives example Nirad Choudarys passages from THE CONTINENT OF CRCLE. Vedic literature shows great love for and pride in cattle,as is to be expected of a pastoral people. Love of cows in the vedas goes with\'\'every possible economic use of cattle, including,of coarse, their slaughter for food\' The Vedic spirit continues in to the age when epics like Ramayana and Mahabharatha were w ritten. THIS IS A PART OF THE ARTICLE OF SWAMINOMICS---\'\'clearly,the notion that the cow is a sacred is merely a sectional hindu view. it is by no means traditional hinduism. or essential hinduism.if anything ,it is a recent reformist hinduism. |
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| Pakkavadya-2, India |
Jul 22, 2010 |
We cannot eat and drink what we want. ….AJR
Ye kya Bakwas bol Rahe hi Aaap..
Why do you think if BJP comes to power you cannot eat or drink.
The BJP Government is responsible keeping the Bars open till 2 AM. You can eat and drink as much as you can. Don’t worry about the others. |
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| Austin Noronha, Qatar |
Jul 22, 2010 |
I think you brought this up earlier once. However, I don't remember if I answered it or not. Anyway - here it is. – O.R.Pai to Nagendra Shenoy about killing of animals for food or ritual.
I am really surprised to see people stoop so low in their attempt to make others follow his/her ideals, belief, ideology and what not. The main driving force for this, is their ego, selfishness and their belief that I am perfect and others aren’t and they should emulate me. I am fed up of hearing this rhetoric again and again. Enough is enough. Come on Pai, before you request others to follow your steps at least give a little thought to the consequences of that action. Tell me first of all whether you think at all? Were you not born to a vegetarian parents and followed their food pattern? Now tell me frankly would you have advocated vegetarianism if you were born to parents who eat both veg and non-veg food? I really can’t understand how hypocritical one can get in their zeal to make the world follow everything what they do and not even sparing a single thought to whether what they are doing is feasible or not, right or wrong, rational or irrational, logical or illogical,
Now to your point of not killing animals or birds for food. If you can’t think, let me know, I will think for you. It’s always my pleasure. Imagine people stop eating chicken, mutton, beef, pork, will not their population keep growing exponentially? And with this mammoth growth will not their requirement for food and grassland keep growing exponentially? In such a case do you think the already burdened agricultural land can sustain the food need of humans, animals and birds? Do you? Will you start cutting down all the forests to feed the exponentially growing population of birds and animals? Will you? And then when there is no forest left what will you do? Grow food on Mars? Before trying to refute my claim just give a serious thought to what I have said and then respond.
Secondly, please note that humans have evolved gradually by changing their food habits depending on the availability of food and out of necessity in their instinct to survive and so does the animals. It is not as simple as you think. It is a natures way of maintaining the balance between the inhabitants of this earth. You cannot impose your dictum on nature. Human body has adapted to the type of food they are consuming now. It needs protein rich food which is in concentrated quantity in dairy food. I suggest you to do an experiment to convert all the carnivores to herbivores and all the herbivores to carnivores and if you succeed then put forth your suggestion to us. I can go on endlessly with my explanations but I think this much is enough for you to be convinced. People who have knowledge in evolution wouldn’t talk this way, only those who are brainwashed by religion talk this way and try and force their belief down the throat of others. Enough is enough of that ideology, it’s almost upto my neck, a little more of it will make me puke it in the commode. You say you are an Atheist. How come then you are sticking to the ideology? You are a fake Atheist. Why are you feeling shy to say you are subscriber of one of the opiates??? OH the hypocrites!!! Somebody show me a place where I don’t get to see such type of hypocrites. |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Jul 22, 2010 |
"modern times" recognizes ONLY one SACRED text - hard currency - Chris Rego
"Dudde Doddappa" as they say! True - Only money motivates many of us. At the same time, there are people who are really trying to do the right things. For them, money is not the only motivation. So, don't be so depressed or cynical about today's world. If you look around, you will see them. So, I don't buy your notion that our world/socieites are getting worse!
As to your comments on 'all indians being morons' or 'PETA folks slaughtering iraqi/afghani civilians' -Well, I don't think I fully follow you. |
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| Judith L, India |
Jul 22, 2010 |
If they are collecting money from Industrialists, they must be collecting it with a specific purpose, like Indians helping Indians (swayam sevak) against any foreign forces (including channeled funds) affecting India, whether it is in the name of religion, or pseudo secularism or separatism or terrorism - Kiran, USA
SO, u r not sure ? Why is RSS doing this work of channelising the funds received from Industriaslists for this activity. Is it not the work of Govt.? |
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Jul 22, 2010 |
First of all, you don't need to slaughter animals to make leather products. Naturally died animals can be used for this purpose. - OR Pai
In that case, God forbid, you'd need a Tsunami or a flood every other week to fulfill that wish, mate. |
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Jul 22, 2010 |
Chris, do you like to correct the spelling anywhere? - Guru
No Guru. I do not like to coz I got that stuff from the net like everybody else. |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Jul 22, 2010 |
"Without animal slaughter, we might not be able to come out with Tabla, Mridangam, Belt, Shoes..."- Nagendra Shenoy.
I think you brought this up earlier once. However, I don't remember if I answered it or not. Anyway - here it is.
Here is why your arguement is flawed.
1. First of all, you don't need to slaughter animals to make leather products. Naturally died animals can be used for this purpose. If I am right, Mahatma Gandhi also opposed slughtering animals for the purpose of making these leather products.
2. Second - you are comparing apples to oranges here. For example, in the last 30 years, I had only two mridangas - one for high notes and one for low notes. The only maintenance you have is replacing the 'Karna' part of Mridanga which is not 'leather'. Belt - well - I probably need one for every 5-6 years! Shoes - probably a pair for 1 to 2 years. My point is - we can meet this demand easily by using the leather of naturally died animals and other alternative methods. Compare this to millions of animals and birds slaughtered on daily basis.
3. Finally - I just killed a few thousand microbes when I cleaned up my cat's litter box this evening. I'm sure I killed even more as I worked in my backyard. My point is - we may not have a perfect solution to a problem. It doesn't mean that we have to stop moving in that direction. As I have said before - question is - Do we really need to kill animals in the name of food, fun or rituals when we have other options. |
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| Guru, India |
Jul 22, 2010 |
Maharishi Yagyavalkya says in Shatpath Brahmin@Chris Rego
Chris, do you like to correct the spelling anywhere? |
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| Judith L, India |
Jul 22, 2010 |
If you are paying taxes to the Government, it is their duty to create programs that actually help and uplift the poor. Instead if you are paying taxes to RSS, only then, it becomes their duty to do the same. If they are collecting money from Industrialists, they must be collecting it with a specific purpose, like Indians helping Indians (swayam sevak) against any foreign forces (including channeled funds) affecting India, whether it is in the name of religion, or pseudo secularism or separatism or terrorism (or even diseases and natural disasters). If RSS has to do the job of the Government, then why do we have this Government at all, why not have RSS be the Government ? Now do you see the flaw in the argument that RSS should help the poor instead of the Government ? - Kiran ,USA
Sad Kiran, you, yourself speak like a politician congress is not helping the poor - accepted. RSS will only help if we pay taxes to them. RSS is not standing for the elections but it is supporting BJP and what is BJP doing for the upliftment of poor. Message is clear. Ultimately all the poor in this country, have to die or become naxalites. FOR UR KIND INFORMATION I HAVE NO REGARD FOR THE POLITICIANS WHETHER CONGRESS, BJP OR JD ALL ARE CHORS FOR ME. LOOTING THE COUNTRY. |
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| Judith L, India |
Jul 22, 2010 |
| u R telling it 2 the wrong person. In konkani "Kumbh" means being idle for a long time. |
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| Pakkavadya-2, India |
Jul 22, 2010 |
You have done a wonderful literature search on cow slaughter and meat consumption. Did you start eating beef after reading all these Manusmriti,Vedas etc ?
You have given enough evidence to say that ancient Hindu philosophy did not consider beef consumption as a sin. Why do you think vast majority of the Hindus still do not consider consumption of beef ?. That means Hindus are illiterate (unpad) not well versed with the Manusmriti or Vedas like you. Otherwise they would have been enjoying beef stew with you….You have learnt a wonderful habit from these holy epic. Hope these habits will remain ONLY with you guys. |
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| Kiran, USA |
Jul 21, 2010 |
Adi Shankaracharya' commentary on Brihdaranyakopanishad 6/4/18 says : 'Odan' (rice) mixed with meat is called 'Mansodan'. On being asked whose meat it should be, he answers 'Uksha'. The word 'Uksha' is used for an ox.
If you know Sanskrit well, you can translate it with context to get the proper meanings. There were many Hindu haters or simply Western thinkers who did not fully understand the Vedas, who translated these texts to English and they took meanings of words from their western point of view and that obscures the real intended meanings.
First, the word present is Maasaodanam and not Mansodan as you have copied and pasted from somewhere. Therefore the first word here if we break the sandhi is Maasa or Maasha and not Mansa. Maasa means month or monthly and Maasha means urad dal. Even if we took your copy-paste word, mansa, in this context it means pulp or soft (or mashed). This has been wrongly translated as meat in many places, by westerners. For example Amramansa means pulp of mango. Odanam means rice boiled in milk. Uksh means to sprinkle of moisten or to wet, watery, etc, and also has the meanings - to become strong, to emit seed (as a bull) {That is how it is in the Sanskrit dictionary} So, it could just mean rice boiled with milk that is pulpy and moist or watery. It could also mean consumption of a monthly diet of milk boiled rice ganji.
For further reference you can look at http://agniveer.com/no-beef-in-vedas/
Just copying and pasting stuff to smear Hinduism to justify your view point of wanting the slaughtering of cows to continue is not a very brilliant idea. |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Jul 21, 2010 |
Pai, SRK is a genuine guy and there is no doubt over his loyalty. In fact I admire him for the energy he displays, especially on stage shows. Haven't seen anybody from Bollywood with so much energy though in his movies he has his regular antics which has been very predictable these days. But there are times when one has to keep his personal views aside and join the organization/nation/team.
Verses on cow-slaughter I am quoting for the first time. But if one gives an excuse of some verses for it, some will come with the same excuse to ban it. That is all I wanted to show Chris. Without animal slaughter, we might not be able to come out with Tabla, Mridangam, Belt, Shoes and we all need these in one or the other occassion.
Chris, my reference to 'Manu Smriti' was to same set of verses which you have posted. This is the 2nd time you are posting it here and some others too have posted it in the past which I remember exactly. Anyways, if the Bill is not signed, enjoy the Beef in Mangalore. I too will not have to pay heavily for chicken. If it's signed, tough luck and Kasargod calling Kasargod :) |
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| Pakkavaadya, India |
Jul 21, 2010 |
, a man cannot be a good Hindu who does not eat beef". -Chris Rego
Kundi myaaga oditaana magana. This is not Manusmriti. This is plain Raichur Kannada mate. |
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| Ketan, Belgium |
Jul 21, 2010 |
RSS and its goon will sell India -Raghu
Saaku maadu ninna pralaapa. Idu Vinodakke samayavalla Raghuveeraa.Odegalu biddaavu. Hushaar. |
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| Pakkavaadya, India |
Jul 21, 2010 |
There is a difference on imposing a ban on beef for indian citizens who are muslim and christian and imposing a ban on burqa on muslim immigrants in France.-Tony
Would you care to explain the difference Tony? Not that it matters by the way. |
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| Tony, USA |
Jul 21, 2010 |
| The burqa was banned by France, it is wrong to say the west has banned the burga. There is a difference on imposing a ban on beef for indian citizens who are muslim and christian and imposing a ban on burqa on muslim immigrants in France. |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Jul 21, 2010 |
"but SRK showing a soft-corner towards Pakistani Cricketers" - Nagendra Shenoy
Very interesting observation. I honestly think that SRK is a good man, fully loyal to India though his family came from today's Peshawar region. However, I feel that he puts his business interests ahead of India. Pakistan is one of the biggest markets for today's Bollywood movies/music. |
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| Ketan, Belgium |
Jul 21, 2010 |
What about you Kumba Swami. -Judith
Hey Jude, you sound romantic. en en en hhh! |
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| Puttur Dinesh, USA |
Jul 21, 2010 |
Naags
I don't know if Non- Citizens can file RTI.
I have made made contact with necessary sources and things are getting done.
I would not like to disclose or brag about it in public, but I will send you an E-mail if you wish to know
Thanks |
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Jul 21, 2010 |
What about the current generation and our collective wisdom? We wouldn't have done many things in our society if we had referred to page numbers and line numbers from old books! - O. R. Pai
What "collective wisdom", mate? As a nation, we Indians are a bunch of morons when it comes to tearing down stuff in the name of ancient texts - page no. and verse if not mere hear-say! Babri Masjid was JUST 1 such issue. The rise of "Hindu Terror" is just a recent addendum. The inspirational sources - Plenty of sources from texts written in times BC! Period!
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With time, as we evolved, we have either revised or refudiated (sarah palin's new word! LOL) portions of old books that are not in tune with modern times. Animal slughter is one such thing.
What modern times, Pai? We have done NO such thing! With modern times, we haven't gotten any smarter. Only mobile phones and laptops have! We have only regressed! Or else, how would you explain the fact that the "slaughter" of humans is on the rise? How would you explain genocide and terrorism? People who drop their clothes for PETA are more than willing to take up an assault rifle and shoot the bejesus outta other living folks in Afghanistan & Iraq and God knows where else! And there you go shedding copious tears for Cows (and hopefully for other animals)!
If you ask me, "modern times" recognizes ONLY one SACRED text - hard currency - be it the greenback or the Pound or the Rupee or the KD or the AED! Every line out there/every hologram/Every number of denomination is precious! Si comprende, senor? |
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium |
Jul 21, 2010 |
| This is the time to realise that RSS and its goon will sell India very soon only for money. Dupilicate Pai and his brothers in this forum should realise it if not they will be in tears. |
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Jul 21, 2010 |
The above point of yours which I have reproduced can be countered with the following - Nagendra
Just to rehash my fav rock star Manusmrithi, I have quoted some of his lyrics for you from an older post:
Manusmriti (Chapter 5 / Verse 30) says, "It is not sinful to eat meat of eatable animals, for Brahma has created both the eaters and the eatables."
Manusmriti (5 / 35) states: When a man who is properly engaged in a ritual does not eat meat, after his death he will become a sacrificial animal during twenty-one rebirths.
Maharishi Yagyavalkya says in Shatpath Brahmin (3/1/2/21) that, "I eat beef because it is very soft and delicious."
Apastamb Grihsutram (1/3/10) says, "The cow should be slaughtered on the arrival of a guest, on the occasion of 'Shraddha' of ancestors and on the occasion of a marriage.”
Rigveda (10/85/13) declares, "On the occasion of a girl’s marriage oxen and cows are slaughtered."
Rigveda (6/17/1) states that "Indra used to eat the meat of cow, calf, horse and buffalo."
Vashistha Dharmasutra (11/34) writes, "If a Brahmin refuses to eat the meat offered to him on the occasion of 'Shraddha' or worship, he goes to hell."
Also, comments of some great scholars of Hinduism are also worth noting:
Hinduism's greatest propagator Swami Vivekanand said thus: "You will be surprised to know that according to ancient Hindu rites and rituals, a man cannot be a good Hindu who does not eat beef". (The Complete Works of Swami Vivekanand, vol.3, p. 536).
Mukandilal writes in his book "Cow Slaughter ' Horns of a Dilemma', page 18: "In ancient India, cow-slaughter was considered auspicious on the occasions of some ceremonies. Bride and groom used to sit on the hide of a red ox in front of the 'Vedic (altar).
A renowned scholar of scriptures Dr. Pandurang Vaman Kane says, "Bajsancyi Samhita sanctifies beef-eating because of its purity". (Dharmashastra Vichar Marathi, page 180)
Adi Shankaracharya' commentary on Brihdaranyakopanishad 6/4/18 says : 'Odan' (rice) mixed with meat is called 'Mansodan'. On being asked whose meat it should be, he answers 'Uksha'. The word 'Uksha' is used for an ox.
The book 'The History and Culture of the Indian People', published by Bhartiya Vidya Bhawan, Bombay and edited by renowned historian R.C.Majumdar (Vol.2, page 578) says: "this is said in the Mahabharat that King Rantidev used to kill two thousand other animals in addition to two thousand cows daily in order to give their meat in charity".
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Trust the above helps, mate. |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Jul 21, 2010 |
"But if BJP comes to power in the centre, we experince more hatred, enmity, religious sentiments and restrictions to our food even." - Alfred J Rebello, India
Yesss - You are right. When BJP was in power, there was no fredom, no food to eat, no jobs, no economic growth. All the churches and mosques were destroyed, monorities were driven out of india. Oh god - those dark days, NEVER AGAIN!! |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Jul 21, 2010 |
Prince is on Twitter but not active. Not a verified account too. Among the politicians active on Twitter are Shashi Tweeroor, Barack Obama and Kevin Rudd. BO and KR oeprate it through their Secretaries for sure.
Our glamorous and Tennis loving former CM, always seen in a neatly dressed wig along with zaradaari shaalu haagoo chokkadaagi toTTiruvantaha wheshTi (now replaced rightly by suit and boot) and 'Ramya fan' (who always had a room booked at Taj West End) S M Krishna is also on it. BTW, what is S in S M? Is it 'Sandhaanakaara'?
Meanwhile, Qureshi's dig at SMK reminds me Duryodhana's dig at Krishna in Hastinapura when he goes as a 'Sandhaanakaara'. But our 'Sandhaankaara' is too polite not to show the 'Virat Swaroopa Darshana' to Qureshi then and there itself. When none in Pakistan have condemned Qureshi's statements (though he sung a different tune next day), SMK has openly expressed his unhappiness over G K Pillai's statements today. Similar to Pakistani civillians not condemning 26/11 attacks but SRK showing a soft-corner towards Pakistani Cricketers. "Apni barbaadi ko hum hargiz miTaa sakte nahin.. Sar jhukaa sakte hai lekin sar kaTaa sakte nahin" |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Jul 21, 2010 |
Nagendra and Chris Rego,
I still don't understand why we need to get 'approvals' from old text written thousands of years ago to justify a ban on slaughter?
What about the current generation and our collective wisdom? We wouldn't have done many things in our society if we had referred to page numbers and line numbers from old books! Are there any references to voting and democracy in those books as well? Just wondering!
Show me any religion, I can show you embarrassing/ unacceptable/ contradicting stuff from their old books. It doesn't mean that everything is bad or good.
With time, as we evolved, we have either revised or refudiated (sarah palin's new word! LOL) portions of old books that are not in tune with modern times.
Animal slughter is one such thing. |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Jul 21, 2010 |
But if BJP comes to power in the centre, we experince more hatred, enmity, religious sentiments and restrictions to our food even - Alfred Rebello
If you want to love people, you will do it even when there is a 1975 Emergency like situation. If you want to hate, you will hate people under Sri Ram also. So probably you have decided to do the latter. I haven't been able to hate people even when Congress activists went on a rampage in the 90s, bashing any saffron activist that they saw in Mulki, Katipalla, Krishnapura, Kalladka when the Congress government simply turned a blind eye to all this :) |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Jul 21, 2010 |
We will see about it? The monsoon session is coming to an end in EYT and you have still not answered the House about the progress on the RTI you filed on the MCI issue.
You have also taken Dr. Hegde's email ID and haven't updated EYTians about the status of that case as well.
Like Kamal Nath rebuked Turbanator II... 'Armed Chair Advisors'
The way some people take up 'societal causes', they should have been a Baba Amte by now. |
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| Alfred J. Rebello,, India |
Jul 21, 2010 |
PS:I read your comment by mistake. Read again? No way. - Ketan.
Well then. I have one less headache to reply. |
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| Puttur Dinesh, USA |
Jul 21, 2010 |
Shenoy Maam
Thanks for the suggession. gregory Patrao is a powerful man and can fight for his own rights. He already has accomplished his goal. Also the situation does not seem clear as to who is right and who is wrong, If you can get me details of this particular situation with evidence, I will see if we really need to do anything about it. |
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| Alfred J. Rebello, , India |
Jul 21, 2010 |
Again if Indians elect Congress led UPA, then I will feel they are not only immature but also like slavery. - Nagendra Shenoy.
Well. We are ruled by BJP in Karnataka and are experincing slavery and you say it is because of centre? We cannot eat and drink what we want. For me, Indians only fit to be slaves, first to British and then to the politicians be them from any party. But if BJP comes to power in the centre, we experince more hatred, enmity, religious sentiments and restrictions to our food even. Is this not worst than slavery? |
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| Kiran, USA |
Jul 21, 2010 |
What do you mean by tax money. Can RSS not hlep the poor with the money they collect from industrialists --Judith L
If you are paying taxes to the Government, it is their duty to create programs that actually help and uplift the poor. Instead if you are paying taxes to RSS, only then, it becomes their duty to do the same. If they are collecting money from Industrialists, they must be collecting it with a specific purpose, like Indians helping Indians (swayam sevak) against any foreign forces (including channeled funds) affecting India, whether it is in the name of religion, or pseudo secularism or separatism or terrorism (or even diseases and natural disasters). If RSS has to do the job of the Government, then why do we have this Government at all, why not have RSS be the Government ? Now do you see the flaw in the argument that RSS should help the poor instead of the Government ? |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Jul 21, 2010 |
Indian Culture" keeps the Holy Cow on par with other Gods and Goddesses. That's great although there is plentiful evidence to say with certainty that beef was indeed sought after in those times - Chris Rego
Rocked on to the backfoot and pulled it ferociously fine and wide of the man there at square leg boundary who was a mere spectator. Thank you Chris. Some points were informative, some were the same as I read over the internet, like only one vote favouring the Burqa in France. Probably if the same was the case with anti-cow slaughter Bill, by now we would have heard some groups claiming 'insufficient representation in the polity'.
Several times in this forum, I raised the issue of women's Tennis being played only a 3 setter compared to the 5 setter of men's, a 'HariwaaNa' compared to the glittering Trophy to men and a lesser prize money compared to what the men get. Most of our champions of the women's cause have no answer. We read about how in Investment Banking firms in the UK, women were deprived of priviliges (promotions and incentives) which their male counterparts get. And now when it comes to the religious practices of Muslims (read Burqa whether or not mentioned as 'compulsory' in Kuran/Sharia/Hadiths or any other Islamic tenets), some countries take it (wearing the Burqa) as a disapproval of Western culture. Instead of an outright ban, why not make it a choice - 'wear if you wish to'? Our good friend Alfred Rebello wants a guarantee that those who wear a Burqa aren't terrorists. Is there any difference between his statement and the claims made by the same Alfred and others that for the 'RSS'/Hindutva organizations "Muslims are guilty untill proven innocent"?
Just like you mentioned that the Western world takes the burqa as a disapproval of their culture or hurdle to the integration of people from different backgrounds, why isn't the same thumb-rule followed when it comes to anti-cow slaughter Bill in Karnataka? Karnataka cannot be equated with Saudi Arabia. Karnataka doesn't have problems with churches or mosques being constructed. Churches and Mosques do not come under the Endowment Act while Temples do and the claims that excess Govt. intervention in temples' affairs led to the protest other day outside DC office (News appeared on Mangalorean.com)
Anyways, I took some time to reply as I did not want to hasten over it. The above point of yours which I have reproduced can be countered with the following -
1. Do not kill cows and bulls who always deserve to be protected (Yajurveda 13.49)
2. In Rigveda cow slaughter has been declared a heinous crime equivalent to human murder and it has been said that those who commits this crime should be punished (Rigveda 7.56.17)
3. The Aghnya cows - which are not to be killed under any circumstances- may keep themselves healthy by use of pure water and green grass, so that we may be endowed with virtues, knowledge and wealth (Rigveda 1.164.40 or Atharv 7.73.11 or Atharv 9.10.20)
4. The Vedic Lexicon, Nighantu, gives amongst other synonyms of Gau [or cow] the words Aghnya. Ahi, and Aditi. Yaska the commentator on Nighantu, defines these as-
Aghnya the one that ought not to be killed
Ahi the one that must not be slaughtered.
Aditi the one that ought not to be cut into pieces.
5. Cow - The aghnya - brings us health and prosperity (Rigveda 1.164.27)
6. There should be excellent facility for pure water for Aghnya Cow (Rigveda 5.83.8)
7. Those who feed on human, horse or animal flesh and those who destroy milk-giving Aghnya cows should be severely punished (Rigveda 10.87.16)
8. The Aghnya cows and bulls bring you prosperity (Yajurveda 12.73)
9. Do not kill the cow. Cow is innocent and aditi - that ought not to be cut into pieces (Rigveda 8.101.15)
10. Destroy those who kill cows (Yajurveda 30.18)
11. If someone destroys our cows, horses or people, kill him with a bullet of lead (Atharvaveda 1.16.4)
12. The entire 28th Sukta or Hymn of 6th Mandal of Rigveda sings the glory of cow.
So with the above points in mind, do you think anti-cow slaughter Bill is justified? Most of them were justifying the slaughter of cows by quoting the Manu Smriti and similar verses from the Hindu scriptures. Right? Now we have similar scriptures which go against the cow-slaughter.
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All said and done, I am only trying to showcase the double-standards thats being practiced and how the Burqa ban is being justified when something similar happening in Karnataka is labelled as 'anti-Minority' (All this after reading it numerous times that Bhajarang Dal leaders and many Hindus eat beef as well) I am not against anyone eating Beef or supporting the Bill for I believe that life is lost when there is a slaughter, whether it is of a cow or a calf or a goat or whatever animal. Further, I myself am a meat-eater and tomorrow if a section of Brahmins who don't eat meat call a ban on say slaughter of goat or the hen, I will not appreciate it. But then, rules must be the same for all. One cannot talk about how practicing certain things in West is a threat to their culture or integrity when the same elsewhere is termed as anti-Minority or 'religious fanaticism'.
BTW.. Money Links was a good tweak. If it appears to be pocket-friendly, many of our NRI brothers will bee-line to get one for them. Can we blame those residing in that township in Derebail-Konchadi as partners-in-crime with JKP? Remember our Puttur Dinesh Maam had given a USAwide call to disown some Indian IT companies whose employees mistreat their domestic servants, all this when the story of Nike and the plight of Pizza delivery boys is out in the open for all to see :) |
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| Judith L, India |
Jul 21, 2010 |
I never realised that RSS had the responsibility for more than 50% of suffering humanity. High time they realised that. What say you priestly mama? - Ketan, Belgium
They did not realise it in 60 years is RSS waiting for the end of the World, What about you Kumba Swami. Don't fall asleep, go and awaken your masters i.e. RSS. They are loosing a good opportunity to help the poor and needy. |
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| Ketan, Belgium |
Jul 21, 2010 |
Ketan, you accepted that Indians are not matured yet. -Alfred
Do you consider yourself an alien by the way? So much for your level of intellect and maturity.
PS:I read your comment by mistake. Read again? No way. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Jul 21, 2010 |
I am hastily concluding that Muralitharan will end up with 800 or more Test wickets.-Nagendra Shenoy
Possible. Sachin on 31 no at 3.40 PM, Score is 81/2. |
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| Judith L, India |
Jul 21, 2010 |
Why do you want RSS to do the job of the Government ? Will you (or have you) pay (paid) your taxes to the RSS to take care of the poor and hungry ? Yes, you are right, India was Shining and now with the inflation, especially of food prices, "India's poor are Dying" and "India's rich are Shining". - Kiran, USA
What do you mean by tax money. Can RSS not hlep the poor with the money they collect from industrialists, which they use only for filling their and their party workers stomachs and getting richer day-by-day and looting and creating menance for other people. what has RSS done for the malegaon blast ? For your kind information me including all duty bound middle class people do not shy from paying taxes . |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Jul 21, 2010 |
| India is all-out for 276 in the 1st innings of the Galle Test Match. SL have enforced the follow-on. Muralitharan has ended up with 5 wickets in the 1st innings, falling one short of my prediction which means he is now 3 wickets away from the 800 mark. With 1 day + 1.5 sessions to go and given our weak track record of falling to spin on Day 4 and 5 and having assisted several record holders, I am hastily concluding that Muralitharan will end up with 800 or more Test wickets. |
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| Guru, India |
Jul 21, 2010 |
P.K.Joseph Dhar,
Your concern on the "leave India notice" served on Mill Hill Missionary Rev. Father Jim Borst, might have been after confidential reports from the IB and RAW.
Generally we ordinary people do not see what is going on behind the scene of visible evangelistic process.
You may try to read the text of the notice in full or from how Jim Borst reacted to the notice. |
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| Guru, India |
Jul 21, 2010 |
Since I get a lot of novelties through many sources, I have the fun to give them away while in India.- A.S.Mathew, USA
Mathew, you get what type of novelties? For what purpose? Who gives you? Why do they give you?
If you answer the above, probably you can absolve yourself from our views of "bribing". |
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| Alfred J. Rebello,, India |
Jul 21, 2010 |
So in your heart of hearts you know that BJP can come back to power. Good. At least you have acknowledged that fact. It is for you and your like to say why you prefer Congress or even that laughing stock JDS for that matter. - Ketan.
Ketan, you accepted that Indians are not matured yet. Please read my comments carefully. |
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| Pakkavaadya, India |
Jul 20, 2010 |
Upalokayukta suffered a massive heart attack as per news. He is admitted in ICU after angioplasty was carried out.
That is a great set back for thee office of Lokayukta who will have to single handedly deal with issues again. |
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| Kudpi Rajanikanth Shenoy, India |
Jul 20, 2010 |
Welcome back Emmanuel D'Souza! You disappeared in 2006 and reappeared now! Where were you all these years?
Keep chipping mate! I have heard much about you as an inseparable part of EYT and within EYT!
Never had a chance to exchange thoughts earlier...though! :-D |
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| Nelson Lewis, Bahrain |
Jul 20, 2010 |
Dear Mr. A.S. Mathew,
I have travelled from (or landed at) Indian international airports in bygone days, when passengers landing at these airports gone through harrowing times, because the Indian baggage rules were just ridiculously stupid, unclear and gave avenues for Customs Officers and Police Officers to earn bags of money each day.
To get postings at international airports, these officers used to pay huge bribes to their superiors. I would not be surprised that senior officers and the Minister and Civil Servants got a share in the loot. Simply why? Each Custom Officer could earn thousands of rupees each shift of eight hours. They could end up earning millions of ill-gotten rupees if they just had two years of posting.
Today, if a Custom or Police Officer gets posted at an international airport, they consider it as a punishment posting. Why? Becuase today the baggage rules are quite liberal, unless somebody travelling from abroad to these international airports, decides to toss around money as "Lays". |
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Jul 20, 2010 |
Will you (or have you) pay (paid) your taxes to the RSS to take care of the poor and hungry ? - Kiran to Judith
You missed out on the thread, Kiran, and have shot blanks as usual. As such
I guess that's an ingrained habit with certain people from Bush'land.
Now, who on earth said that America has talent? Darn! What an understatement! There's PLENTY of that from the US of A! Talent automatically oozes outta their orifices! Half of it on EYT itself! Cripes, I wish those talent scouts would take a peek at EYT once in a blue-moon. |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Jul 20, 2010 |
"Some of the same people hear the words "Relgion" or "God" when they see the word "Spirituality" - Kiran, USA
Well, let me add one more thing. There are some members of elite 'self-hating' club who hear the words 'brahmana' or 'Hindu' when I bring up 'vegitarianism'. |
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| A.S.Mathew, USA |
Jul 20, 2010 |
Mr. Nelson Lewis: Thank you for
explaining the episode of " ball point
pen at Delhi airport".
I write comments but rarely looked
at "express your thoughts" area.
When I travel to India, I don't take
many items for personal use because
my travel route will be some of the
remote areas of India. Also, nobody
in my family is interested to have
American goods. But, I do enjoy
to see the smile of other people by
making them happy. Since I get a lot
of novelties through many sources,
I have the fun to give them away while
in India.
Since I am not a criminal, I need not
have to bribe anybody to enter India
or any country. If anybody has a
misunderstanding that I have given
a ball point pen to bribe him, that
is a very complex mindset to think
that way. When you give something to
total strangers, there is a lot of
fun in it. Also, it is a way of
complimenting them for their nice
and friendly behaviour towards a
stranger. Say a heartfelt thanks
or give them a gift if possible if
you felt that the person has done a
commendable job. If anybody gives
something before the job is done, that
can be interpreted as a "bribe".
I am glad that somebody has read my
comment about Indira Gandhi International airport, and please
erase the misunderstanding about the
ball pen. |
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| Kiran, USA |
Jul 20, 2010 |
What about the living people who are dying of hunger,who donot even have basic necessities although India is shining. How is RSS taking care of these people ???? --Judith L
Why do you want RSS to do the job of the Government ? Will you (or have you) pay (paid) your taxes to the RSS to take care of the poor and hungry ? Yes, you are right, India was Shining and now with the inflation, especially of food prices, "India's poor are Dying" and "India's rich are Shining". |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Jul 20, 2010 |
| Many congratulations to Team India on beating France in the 2nd Hockey Test 6-0 and hereby winning the series 2-0 with one more match to go. We had beaten France 4-3 in the 1st Test match. Earlier, we had beaten Belgium 2-0 (beat them 6-0 in the 3rd Test match) in the 3-match Hockey Test series (one match was drawn) which means India has now won 2 out of 2 series and both on the oppositions' soil. Next, India will move to Holland and face the leaders of Hockey. Good luck to Team India for the litmus test. May we see the Golden days of Indian Hockey come back like the Golden Goal of Andres Iniesta. |
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Jul 20, 2010 |
Chris, '...God forbid some BROWN coloured Cow happens to drop it's dung on the streets, it will be accused of being a RSS cow and that "such acts are detrimental to the society" - Nagendra
Kassa muntha Nagendra'mama?
Gai White ya Black ya Brown ya Purplish-Orange, thigel povithr kakka green'enths ne ve? |
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| Ketan, Belgium |
Jul 20, 2010 |
However, if still BJP comes bck to power, then I can say, Indians do not want peace, unity and prosperity of the nation.-Alfred
So in your heart of hearts you know that BJP can come back to power. Good. At least you have acknowledged that fact. It is for you and your like to say why you prefer Congress or even that laughing stock JDS for that matter. |
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Jul 20, 2010 |
Jokes apart, when you say pork and liquor is available at your place despite it being termed as 'Haraam' in Islam, why can't European nations be tolerant towards Burqa? Just curious to know your opinion. – Nagendra
Good question, bro. However, the answer to that is not as easy as erroneously equating (P + L) in UAE = Ban on Burqa in Europe. The issue is far too complex and diverse to be handled with the same pair of gloves.
In the first place, there is NO reference in Islam that makes it mandatory for women to wear the burqa. A quick search threw up the following:
“For women; Cover your chest (24:31); Lengthen your garments (33:59) and for both sexes; The BEST garment is that righteousness and modest conduct (7:26).
The word Burqa is not to be found anywhere in the Quran, but as it falls under the heading of Hijab which is used in Quran we should explore its use. The Arabic word Hijab can be translated into veil or yashmak. Other meanings for the word include screen, barrier, cover(ing), mantle, curtain, drapes, partition, division, divider etc.
The word “Hijab” appears in the Qur’an seven times, five of them as “Hijab” and twice as “Hijaban”. See 7:46, 17:45, 19:17, 33:53, 38:32, 41:5, 42:51. None of these “Hijab” words are used in the Qur’an in reference to what the traditional Muslims call today “the dress code for Muslim woman”. Hijab in the Qur’an has nothing to do with a woman’s dress code.”
So why was it introduced in the first place? Well, the answer could be that it was introduced at a time when those nomadic men were predators (they still are – and I’m NOT referring to just the nomads. They (Modern day predators) come in all colors, shapes, sizes, religions etc.). They wanted to keep their women-folk safe from prying eyes. Some people are of the opinion that they wanted to enforce their will and wish upon them or rather subjugate them. Either way, I’m not an expert in such matters and hence would like to wind up at that.
Maybe you haven’t read the latest from the Arab world but recently even Syria has Syria has forbidden the country’s students and teachers from wearing the full Islamic veil that reveals only a woman’s eyes. Prior to that, many Muslim countries had banned the burqa attributing various reasons – such as in Tunisia - “it is not part of our tradition ". In Turkey it is forbidden in the name of secularism. In Egypt, in November 2009, the late Rector of the Islamic Al-Azhar, Muhammad Sayyed Tantawi, the highest religious authority in Egypt, banned it, saying to students: "The niqab is only a custom; it has no link with Islam, neither close nor distant!" In February 2010, Egyptian Prime Minister Nazif, called it "a denial of women!”
Now, the Europeans are against the burqa because it goes against the European tradition - wearing it amounts to a “rejection” of integration into European culture. Or rather, that is what they claim. I see no reason as to why they shouldn’t uphold their culture. Remember that there was ONLY 1 vote against the ban on burqa. Furthermore, when the law was passed in Belgium there were only two against.
France is one of the few countries that grant citizenship to migrants easily – irrespective of their color, ethnicity and status. Probably this stems from a strong desire to intergrate people. However, if certain people react by “rejecting” European/French culture and YET want to be citizens out there, there can be only trouble. Besides, the West has always viewed the burqa as “Humiliation” of women.
Doesn’t Saudi Arabia enforce the Burqa on ALL women – irrespective of whether thay are Muslim or not? However, people who are mere residents out there have to toe the line whether they like it or not. Isn’t Karnataka almost on the verge on passing the highly-controversial bill on ban of cow slaughter with scant consideration for the minorities’ gastronomic rights?
Now, you may argue that if the French could pass a bill to safeguard their culture, then why not India do the same? C'mon - "Indian Culture" keeps the Holy Cow on par with other Gods and Goddesses. That's great although there is plentiful evidence to say with certainty that beef was indeed sought after in those times. The recent transition of the cow to "hallowed" status is the work of a few parties in order to corner the vote-bank!
So why not call for a blanket-ban (in all Indian States) on the slaughter of those holy cows? (Or is that in the offing too?) Why allow the sale of beef in some states and ban it in others? Ok, Indian cows are way too holy to end up as a steak or sukka! So, why not make a provision to import beef from Oz, Brazil or the US?
The UAE is far better in this regard! Food for thought, mate. |
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| Ketan, Belgium |
Jul 20, 2010 |
it is perhaps made to err by the opposition, specially by 'LEFT' -Alfred
That is perverted thinking on your part Sir. Do you have any proof that the accident was engineered? |
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| Ketan, Belgium |
Jul 20, 2010 |
By the way, anybody can guarantee all the Burqa wearers are innocents?-Alfred
Burqa wearers are innocent till proven otherwise. Any objections to that?
Any way there is a possibility that they may be good looking. Check it yourself. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Jul 20, 2010 |
BTW, it is not LANGA but LANGHA-Nagendra maam
It is a long story saahebra. |
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| Ketan, Belgium |
Jul 20, 2010 |
How is RSS taking care of these people ???? -Judith
I wonder how! Jees! I never realised that RSS had the responsibility for more than 50% of suffering humanity. High time they realised that. What say you priestly mama? |
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| Pakkavaadya, India |
Jul 20, 2010 |
Nobady is parfect in English.-Nagendra Shenoy
Have you excluded one Chris Rego from that list by the way? |
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| Judith L, India |
Jul 20, 2010 |
I am afraid RSS is the only organisation capable of clean up in India whether Chris is serious or plain jesting around as usual.
The dead bodies of those who dies in the 1977 typhoon that licked Divi and Prakasam in Andhra were picked up by the same RSS and cremated with all due respects. -
What about the living people who are dying of hunger,who donot even have basic necessities although India is shining. How is RSS taking care of these people ???? what about the poeple who died in Malegaon ??? |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Jul 20, 2010 |
I told him 'mookam karoti vaachaalam, pangum langayatay girim' - Shenoy
Yatkripaam twamaham vande, pramaananda maadhavam.....
Doctor Saahebre, you had held HH's hand too. Right? I remember you saying so last time :)
BTW, it is not LANGA but LANGHA. Meaning changes completely Maam if you use the former :) |
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| Nelson Lewis, Bahrain |
Jul 20, 2010 |
I do not understand why some writers have contrued that the ball pen given as a gift by Mr. A.S. Mathew to a Customs Officer at the Delhi International Airport, as a bribe. In fact, this is not so.
Sometimes, we are so much touched and impressed by the services or help extended by an official, a shop assistant or a waiter, much beyond their scope of duty. This spontaneous action moves us and we go out of the way to tip them.
Bribes are something which a person is forced to pay or demanded by a corrupt person taking advantage of our vulnerable position, etc. |
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| Alfred J. Rebello,, India |
Jul 20, 2010 |
In 80s, total number of seats won by BJP during Parliament elections used to be in single digits. Today BJP is much more powerful holding power in many states. Even the 'Bhadra Kote' of Congress(I) - the state of Karnataka has gone 'BJP' way. - Original Pai.
Opai, they so no, history is repeating. Sooner than later BJP is going back to single digits once public comes to know their hiddden agendas. BJP's position is just in the beginning of the end. Yes, I agree BJP is ruling in some states but not on their merit but because of the blunders made by the congress politicians in the state level. However, if still BJP comes bck to power, then I can say, Indians do not want peace, unity and prosperity of the nation. |
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| Guru, India |
Jul 20, 2010 |
Austin,
Who are you?
Austin is a name given to your body.
The body is yours.
Guru is the name by which my body is recognised.
The body is mine.
But who are you?
Where are you?
If you say "I am here", that means your body is there.
Just logically think. Try to find out where is that- I
Can I be the "soul" within the body?
In broader terms the search for "Me" has to culminate in our realisation that there is nothing mine. The I and mine comes with birth and goes with death of a body.
Once we realise this and remember always (difficult, of course) the thoughts will be lighter and positive.
We have to attempt and continue to understand.
You do good and think good because you have realised what that Me and Mine means. May be you do not go in to the search, definitions and meanings.
Thats not required for one who practices good at all times. |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Jul 20, 2010 |
The dead bodies of those who dies in the 1977 -Ketan
You will be scrutinised by English pundits - Pakkavaadya
Pakka,
Died - Dies. S and D are plaeced next to eich odar on the keebord. So befour 'vaadya nuDising', we have to give the benifit of dout. Nobady is parfect in English. |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Jul 20, 2010 |
Who wants those old names like 'tunga', 'kapila', 'BeLLi' etc - O R Pai
Pai, have you observed one thing in naming cows? They have normally been named after rivers. Tunga, Cauvery, Ganga, Krishna, Godavari et al. You call Tunga and only Tunga would come, and so would it be with others. Alas! I did not come across only Brahmaputra till date.
So what would be the Western names of the cows? Nile, Mississippi, Amazon, Niger... ?? :)
Chris, 'Cow SanghaTane' idea mooted by you is a good idea. But what if the White Cows get racist with the Black Cows? This is still fine. God forbid some BROWN coloured Cow happens to drop it's dung on the streets, it will be accused of being a RSS cow and that "such acts are detrimental to the society" |
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| Kiran, USA |
Jul 20, 2010 |
I was just being funny about Kiran and O pai views on representing Hinduism in every aspect. --PD
It is very strange but some people read, hear and see different from what is written, spoken and shown. If someone says RSS, they hear Hindu. Rastriya means National, Swayam Sevak means Indians helping Indians against external (British) and separatist forces. Now, that the colonial period forces are gone, the colonial mentality still persists and the Indian culture and the delicate balance of religion is still constantly under attack. Therefore the people hear Hindu when they say Indians standing up for India.
Some of the same people hear the words "Relgion" or "God" when they see the word "Spirituality" which is the study of Self. |
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| Sudhakara Kotian, UAE |
Jul 20, 2010 |
Even the 'Bhadra Kote' of Congress(I) - the state of Karnataka has gone 'BJP' way... OR PAI
What happened to the Bhadra Kote's of BJP,.. states like UP, Delhi, Rajastan???? |
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| Ketan, Belgium |
Jul 19, 2010 |
Even the 'Bhadra Kote' of Congress(I) - the state of Karnataka has gone 'BJP' way.
-O Pai
That's what upsets Tony and the like. Kailaagadavanu mai yella parach konda haage. |
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| Pakkavaadya, India |
Jul 19, 2010 |
The dead bodies of those who dies in the 1977 -Ketan
Did you mean those who died Ketan? Be careful on this forum. You will be scrutinised by English pundits. Go back to school and take lessons. Wren and Martin grammer book is still available. |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Jul 19, 2010 |
"RSS bigots ..." - Tony, USA
Dear Tony,
Your propaganda is as old as 'British India Company'!! I'm sorry to dissappoint you - it doesn't work anymore!
In 80s, total number of seats won by BJP during Parliament elections used to be in single digits. Today BJP is much more powerful holding power in many states. Even the 'Bhadra Kote' of Congress(I) - the state of Karnataka has gone 'BJP' way.
Dear Tony - Thank you again. Keep bashing RSS. We really need you! smiles... |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Jul 19, 2010 |
he should be role model for all the over-fed ghee crazy swamis.
-K Shenoy
His BMR may be very high for all you care.
I agree with you that he is very popular generally. I had the opportunity to meet him in mid eighties in Manipal. I told him 'mookam karoti vaachaalam, pangum langayatay girim'. He was attending physiotherapy there. He smiled and said it was very true. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Jul 19, 2010 |
TO PROVE THE WRONG TO RIGHT YOU NEED TO REPEAT THE WRONG 100 TIMES. -M Hussain
You have a valid point. However, is it that other pilots are taking some form of risk so to say? What about gulf flights? Don't they still land in Mangalore? It is most likely human error. However one can not deny the risk in landing at Mangalore for bigger planes. Smaller planes may have smooth landing as before.
We need a new air port near Padubidri. Let us all agitate for that. Let us start an e mail campaign. I will request our leader Dinesh maam to make representation of the NRI population to the civil aviation ministry. Mr Praful Patel is too well known to him. He won't say no to a powerful guy like Dinesh maam who can make or break things. Remember that infamous amnesia episode? Or did you forget that?:) |
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| Puttur Dinesh, USA |
Jul 19, 2010 |
Shrisha Surathkal
I apologize, I did not mean any disrespect to Mr. Gregory Patrao. I was just being funny about Kiran and O pai views on representing Hinduism in every aspect.
I would prefer your statement as the title for the news. I wish him good luck in his fight.
Sorry if I offended you. |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Jul 19, 2010 |
"Teach them Yoga and the (F)art of Living" - Chris Rego on cows.
You missed a few more:.
- We can also give them western names so they can feel 'modern and westernized'. Who wants those old names like 'tunga', 'kapila', 'BeLLi' etc
- Your 'great research' on RSS-Nazi connection has missed out a minor detail. You may want to add Netaji Subhashchandra Bose and 'Indian National Army' to the list of 'Nazi Sympathizers'. Netaji *directly* worked with German and Japanese Army and fought against British. How dare he fought British 'Masters'!!! Grrrrr...!
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| Ketan, Belgium |
Jul 19, 2010 |
Have a clean-up team (preferably RSS) on the heels of those roadside cows to clean up the mess.
-Chris Rego
I am afraid RSS is the only organisation capable of clean up in India whether Chris is serious or plain jesting around as usual.
The dead bodies of those who dies in the 1977 typhoon that licked Divi and Prakasam in Andhra were picked up by the same RSS and cremated with all due respects. None of your missionaries and or gulle naris [Congress] were there within 100 miles even.
If there is one organisation capable of making India proud, it is RSS. |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Jul 19, 2010 |
Its people like you who teach our poor good indian officials to expect bribe. -Sandeep
Wrong statement. I DON'T AGREE WITH this view.
Mr Mathew's giving a ball pen will not make these people corrupt.
On the other hand Sandeep's bribing in Taluk office, DC office, coroporation office, RTO office [better called RTO orifice instead] makes the officials corrupt as they are.
Matthew does not live in India. He may visit for 2/3 weeks in Dec every other year.
On the other hand Sandeep will have no choice but to live there day in and day out and put up with the corrupt people.
NRI may not think twice before giving a gift out of genuine appreciation whereas resident may do it out of necessity.
Have you heard of horror stories of school teachers literally begging for pension and not getting it because they refused to give bribe?
Come on Sir, we know better than what you have tried to say. |
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| Kiran, USA |
Jul 19, 2010 |
You are contradicting yourself Kiran in the above two statements. --Austin Noronha, Qatar
This is a mistake Westerners make when they study anything of Eastern origin. They feel that they see contradictions. That is because they see everything through western filters, like fitting a square peg in a round hole.
It surprises me when people raised in India, have doubts like these, because we understand the concept of layers of reality. Suppose, I was an Engineer or a Doctor, will the statement "I am an Engineer" or "I am a Doctor" contradict with "I am a human being" ? No, both are correct. If I become an Engineer, will I stop being a human being ? Is the word Engineer a complete description of what I am or am I more than that ? Definitely more. Now, comes some challenging questions. Is the word "human being" a complete description of who I am or am I more than that ? Am I just my physical body or am I more than that ? Am I merely a product of my past conditioning and experiences or am I more than that ? Or do all of these look contradictory to you ? |
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| Kiran, USA |
Jul 19, 2010 |
You said why wont he come down to earth, so your idea of God is that he is UP in the sky.-Kiran to VRS
Kiran, is God geo-stationary like some satellites to say he is always up? --Austin Noronha, Qatar
Good point. You should ask VRS for a response. Since the earth is round, every UP is DOWN for the people on the exact opposite side of the globe. |
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| Vinod Sahu, India |
Jul 19, 2010 |
| RSS is the God father of Hindu Terror, it should be baned. |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Jul 19, 2010 |
RSS + BJP = Nazi Reloaded - Chris Rego
Chris Rego,
You forgot one more equation.
Anti-cow slaughter Bill in Karnataka = Ban on Burqas in European countries. LHS=RHS? (Where L = 'Liberal' Western countries and R = 'Right wing' State Govt. in Karnataka? Is it possible?)
Jokes apart, when you say pork and liquor is available at your place despite it being termed as 'Haraam' in Islam, why can't European nations be tolerant towards Burqa? Just curious to know your opinion. You can use your usual style of answering in a fable form. That will be better in an otherwise humid EYT weather which we are witnessing for the past few weeks. With the Bill now cleared in LC and LA and lying on Governor's table for approval/disapproval, heavy 'thundershowers' are expected. Already there is a 'MoDa kavida vataavaraNa' and dark clouds are suspected to emerge from USA and UAE :) |
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| Tony, USA |
Jul 19, 2010 |
| RSS bigots leave out Assam separatism when discussing separatist movements in India. It does not fit in their stupid ant-muslim and anti-Christian worldview. |
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| Austin Noronha, Qatar |
Jul 19, 2010 |
Study of \"Who am I really\" is spirituality.- Kiran.
Whoa! Why should we only BELIEVE that we are human beings ? Don\'t we KNOW that ? Any doubts ? - Kiran.
Oops here goes the proponent of spirituality who says in one breath sprituality is the study of \"Who am I really\" and in the second breath questions Alfred \"why should we only believe that we are human beings. Don\'t we know that.\"
You are contradicting yourself Kiran in the above two statements. You are a confused person and you don\'t seem to know who you are actually? You seriously need to take a lesson on biology to know who you really are. Now just like you asked Alfred I ask you - Don\'t we know who we are? Any doubts? |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Jul 19, 2010 |
Are your comments related to this article of improving or improved conditions of Indian airports ?-Surya
How does it sound to you? Are you unhappy that NRI definition is redefined in my post? Come on sport. |
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| Alfred J. Rebello,, India |
Jul 19, 2010 |
There is no logic in your story - VRS.
What logic you have in your statement 'God is not there'. There is not logic in anything, even in your birth, but belief and it is left to the individuals. |
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Jul 19, 2010 |
WOW - so much for "RSS = Nazi" propaganda!! - Pai'mam
Hmmmm.... Maybe it should have been RSS + BJP = Nazi Reloaded?
Anyway, take a look at MORE propaganda. Excerpts from http://www.hindustantimes.com/loonies-running-about-in-the-bjp-park/h1-article1-573856.aspx
The problem with the BJP, I said on the programme, was that it did not distance itself enough from the Muslim-haters and the Hindu fascists. In the case of the RSS, the problem was more acute. We know that in the early days of the Sangh, many of its leaders supported such fascists as Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini. If the Sangh wished to leave behind the legacy of those days, it had to weed out the lunatics, Nazis and mad bombers from its extended family.
Oh dear, I said to myself, all three of yesterday’s defences have crumbled at a stroke. If the terrorism was the work of a few individuals, then why is the RSS turning up to complain? If the RSS is so disciplined, then why is it being represented by rampaging goondas? And if the RSS does not believe in violence then why are these men breaking window panes and damaging property?
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Anyway, now that the nautanki Govt is almost on the verge of banning the slaughter of cows, here is what I propose:
- All RSS members/stooges/sympathizers should switch to Rexine or Canvas or rubber rain-shoes. (Hey, with those 'jalla' khaki shorts, a lathi and a lop-sided cap, I guess the calf-length shoes would look absolutely smashing. Ummmm.. yes, ALMOST like the Nazi uniform.)
- No more leather belts. Instead a canvas belt or a scout-rope should be looped round the 'jalla' shorts. (Incidentally, I can't figure out the thought-process behind having such loose shorts. I mean, c'mon folks, widen the waist an inch or two and TWO whole RSS blokes can easily get into 1 pair of them shorts! Or probably the founder-father/s of the RSS wished for a kilt but although it afforded plenty of middle-legroom, it offered not too pretty a sight as they marched, and hence they decided to put a couple of stitches in the middle?) Either way, what a precious waste of Khaki!
- Build plenty of "Home's for the Aged" for all those poor Cows.
- Start a pension scheme once those Cows start lactating and/or go into the bovine equivalent of Menopause.
- Introduce compulsory Insurance/Health-care for Cows.
- Open plenty of Vet Hospitals. But herein, care should be taken to ensure that they offer cashless treatment. (We wouldn't want those 'poor' cows to stage a protest in front of the DC Office, do we?)
- Take a census for a head-count of those precious cows and fit up a GPS/GRPS on every one of them so that their exact latitude. Or else, one not too fine a day, say 3 - 4 years from now, we might have Dhoni say on NDTV -
"Since there are ONLY Fourteen Hundred and Eleven Cows (1,411) in India, I don't get milk anymore in Jharkand even though I recently signed a deal for 200 crores! Out of those 1,411 Cows, 1,410 are in Karnataka in various ashrams/go-shalas and Homes for the aged, and remaining one is in Vishweshwariah Museum. And if I don't drink milk, how can I blast all those sixes and retain my captaincy?
At this juncture, UB Mallya interrupts - "Arre o Dhoni, Haalu Yaake? Dhana'da Haalu idda haage, ALKA-haalu (alcohol) kooda ondu tarada haalu. Swalpa adjust maadi try maadi. Kevala sixer yaake, onde hoditha'dalli ippattha-nalku (24 kooda hodeyabahudu'ree"
Dhoni gives a s***-eating grin (probably to impress Barkha Dutt) and switches on to KF (premium, draft and KF strong depending on his moods) and starts blasting 24's!
Pan to Dhoni with an even bigger S***-eating grin on NDTV - "I have done my BIT. What about YOU?"
- Teach them Yoga and the (F)art of Living. (I've heard that Shriman Nithyananda Swamy has started a new School).
- Introduce mid-day meal scheme for the roadside Cows so that not one of them go hungry.
- Have a clean-up team (preferably RSS) on the heels of those roadside cows to clean up the mess.
- Any other suggestions from my pal VRS, for the betterment of Cows can be included here too for our common friend Oh Pai's perusal, approval and recommendation to the Higher Authorities. |
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| Kadengodlu Shankara Bhat, Kazakhstan |
Jul 19, 2010 |
Kudos, Another super-speed achievement by a Mangalorean based co. ...
HERE'S HOW TO DOWNLOAD NEW RUPEE SYMBOL FOR FREE
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Heres-how-to-download-new-rupee-symbol-for-free/articleshow/6182297.cms
Stanley G Pinto, TNN, Jul 18, 2010, 01.43am IST
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MANGALORE: Fret no more about downloading the rupee symbol on to your computer. The symbol may take a while to appear on the keyboard but can rightaway be typed as a character, thanks to a newly-created font.
Mangalore-based Foradian Technologies Pvt Ltd has created a font called Rupee_Foradian. It can be downloaded from the company’s blogsite — http://blog.foradian.com — and used for free.
The company's CEO Unni Koroth told TOI that it was "something of an amusement to us in this era of technological advancement" that the government of India said it would take more than a year for the symbol to become commercially available. "We thought of doing something about it," he said. The company created a vector image of the new rupee sign and mapped the 'grave accent' symbol — the key just above the tab button on the keyboard — with it. This keystroke was chosen because most users and programmers don't use it.|
Within the hour, the trial version of the font was downloaded 1,100 times. When downloads crossed the 5,000 mark, the company worked on the full version, which it has also made available for free on the site. A YouTube video — www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSfhzuU7Crw — shows how easy it is to use the symbol. Many users of social networking sites have started using it, as have hundreds of bloggers. Version 2.0 of the font was released within 24 hours of the announcement of the rupee symbol. |
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| Austin Noronha, Qatar |
Jul 19, 2010 |
You said why wont he come down to earth, so your idea of God is that he is UP in the sky.-Kiran
Kiran, is God geo-stationary like some satellites to say he is always up? If he is not geo-stationary and for example if he is up now for indians, 12 hours later he should be exactly on the opposite side of the earth perhaps in the sky of USA due to the half rotation of the earth. And since USA lies just on the opposite side of India it is a down side for Indians and to pray people should look down into the earth if they pray 12 hours later. Hope you understand my point. Do I see you now scooting to get that book of spirituality to find answers to my question:):) Please don't say that since I called god "he" I believe in god. I said it in terms of believers" perspective. |
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| Vinod Raghuvir Shetty, Belgium |
Jul 19, 2010 |
I have seen important observation in the OUTLOOK July edition.
Dayanad Pandey from Abhinav Bharat has confessed that in August, 2008 he met RSS leader Shyam Apte who told that him that Indresh Kumar and Mohan Bhagwat taking money from ISI. When Col Stikant Purohit came to know this he asked Captian Joshi to murder the two.
This coincides with recent finding Abhinav Bharat planned to kill Mohan Bhagwat, so where is RSS and its united India.
http://www.zeenews.com/Nation/2009-02-18/508735news.html
RSS has sold the nation for money and brahmins still call it as a patrotic organistions sans minorities, lower caste Hindus and dalits.
Ex- editor of organizor mentions that "what is objectionable is using government machinery to give currency to the idea of Hindu terrorism".
RSS invovlements are in 2 Malegoan blasts, thane cinema blast, Goa blasts, Kanpur and Nanded bomb mishaps, Ajmer Blasts, mecca masjid blats so RSS is a terrorist organistaion with blanket of patrotic and those support RSS are too terrorists. Now duplicate pai do not sob try to find some other organisation if you are too addicted to RSS. |
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| Original R.Pai, USA |
Jul 19, 2010 |
"Looks like the “self-haters” and “masters” theory has some serious competition, eh?" - Chris Rego
What exactly was your intention behind posting a lengthy 'hit piece' on RSS copied from a propaganda site? Who will take it seriously? This is hilarious!
RSS has been around for several decades now. You find it in every village and town. Minorities have only grown stronger reaching the highest offices in New Delhi. There are more churches and mosques than ever before!! WOW - so much for "RSS = Nazi" propaganda!!
However, RSS has succeeded in doing one thing. It has prevented rest of India from going Kashmir/Nagaland or Mizoram way. May be, it explains the vicious attacks on RSS from certain corners of our society. |
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| Kiran, USA |
Jul 19, 2010 |
Self Discovering: Let them help the Low sect of hindus who are there own to discover self in India. --Nicholas, Canada
Discovering our true Self is only for those who see a value in doing so or have an interest in doing so. It is not something to be enforced on people who do not want to.
Raja-Rishi means A rishi who is rich in non wordly items, like money, moha, kama etc. --Nicholas
No, it simply means a King who is enlightened. Is money a non worldly item ?
people of Orissa were brainwashed by these Hindu priests --Nicholas
As I said before, I do not know how they made them realize that they never stopped being Hindus. If they were brainwash proselytized before, they may have reverse brainwashed. You were not there, I was not there, but they must have done the reverse of whatever was done to them earlier. We need not speculate too much. |
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| Kiran, USA |
Jul 18, 2010 |
Kiran, in addition to your Technical skills I must admit that you do have a penchant for writing. --Chris Rego
Thank you sir. Sorry, I don't think I will read the rest of your post as I am not so interested in that subject, especially to read such a long post. If you summarize it, I will read it. |
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| Kiran, USA |
Jul 18, 2010 |
You need rest. --Ketan, Belgium
If you need rest, your body will tell you so. I will decide when I need rest. Meanwhile, may I suggest some sat-sang for you with Mr. VRS in Belgium ?
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| Kiran, USA |
Jul 18, 2010 |
why we do need to search GOD, when he is not there? --VRS
You are the one who said show me God and now you are asking me why we need to search God. You are surely confused. Decide whatever you want. If you feel like searching, by all means search, but know what exactly you are searching for. That may make your search easier. If you decide not to search, that is your choice too. How do you know HE is not there ? Did you look and not find and then conclude ? If yes, do you know what exactly it was that you looked for ?
Who told you that GOD is a man or woman? Nah, GOD is not there so where you got this idea of GOD is man --VRS
Remember, when I asked you to define God, you did not, but in your questions you gave us a lot of hints what your idea of God is. You used the word HE, so you told God is masculine or male. You said why wont he come down to earth, so your idea of God is that he is UP in the sky. This way, you gave us a lot of hints about your idea of God. No wonder, you looked and did not find HIM.
world knows who is fools in this forum, while you cannot prove the existence of god practically, can you? --VRS
To find out if I can prove or cannot prove, what makes you think you are qualified enough or knowledgeable enough (remember I talked about pre-requisites for any study ?). If you are talking about fools, do you not think that somebody looking for something which they cannot define or describe would qualify ? |
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| Kiran, USA |
Jul 18, 2010 |
First let us believe that we are all human beings and then automatically 'spirituality' follows. --AJR
Whoa! Why should we only BELIEVE that we are human beings ? Don't we KNOW that ? Any doubts ? |
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| SHENOY R, India |
Jul 18, 2010 |
if the same service can be done in another country for half of the 20%, how anybody can resist that?- A S Mathew
It is not just the cost. But also the waiting period for elective surgeries. One can fly to Apollo hospital and get it done quick. |
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| K Shenoy, India |
Jul 18, 2010 |
Sach kadva laga kyon original Raghuveer bhayya from Belgium? Watch out. Interpol is behind you.
vrs kelavomme nittusiru bittu halavomme nidusuyda ullekhavide saar eyt-yalli.
paapa devarilla dindarilla endanobba naastika..... kaalu jaari beeluvaaga rama naama ghoshaka enno typu saaroo avroo. |
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| Nicholas, Canada |
Jul 18, 2010 |
Kiran,USA
Self Discovering: Let them help the Low sect of hindus who are there own to discover self in India.
Raja-Rishi means A rishi who is rich in non wordly items, like money, moha, kama etc. Can you please show me a single rishi in present time who has these qualities.
No Entry or Exit in Hindus: according to your statement the people of Orissa were brainwashed by these Hindu priests by holding their family at stake if not accepted Hinduism & these Hooma Kundas were part of the Brainwash including goons from VHP, RSS Etc. |
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| Cyril Moras, India |
Jul 18, 2010 |
Dear Dhar,
Are our people not making false statements opposed to the bible? Tens and hundred times they repeat falsehood. May be they adhere to confessions from time to time. I can't call them Hypocrites? Are they lairs. Will God pardon them? |
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| Nagendra Shenoy, India |
Jul 18, 2010 |
"becoz all the shetty I know here eat cow meat"
Big deal. Bengali Brahmins too eat meat. I have Bengali Brahmin friends here and we have shared the same table and they have had Beef.
Hey Lawrence and Chris, in case you both are in Bangalore before Governor signs the Bill, make it to Kairali Hotel at Madiwala/Maruthi Nagar. You will get your favourite dish :) |
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| Pakkavadya, India |
Jul 18, 2010 |
Duplicate Pai - Why are you so sarcastic?-Vinod
Sach kadva laga kyon original Raghuveer bhayya from Belgium? Watch out. Interpol is behind you. |
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| Pakkavaadya, India |
Jul 18, 2010 |
I repeat that god is not there -Vinod
An aethiest wrote 'God is nowhere'. The believer wrote 'God is now/here'. Make your pick brother. |
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| Guru, India |
Jul 18, 2010 |
Alwyn,
I understand that Patrao is a BJP member since long. It appears to be true when I saw those guys offering limbu pani and tender coconut while breaking fast on promise by CM.
I read it in two newspapers also.
Any idea Patrao from BJP? |
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Jul 18, 2010 |
GOAN MLAs
A driver is stuck in a traffic jam on the Panjim-Mapusa highway.
Nothing has moved for half an hour, when suddenly a man knocks on the window. The driver rolls down his window and asks, “What's going on?”
The man tells him that Russians down the road have kidnapped some Goan MLAs.
“They're asking for a 10 million ransom or they're going to douse them with petrol and set them on fire. Several people are going from car to car to make a collection.”
The driver asks, “How much is everyone giving, on an average?”
The man replies, “Most people are giving about a litre.” |
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| Chris Rego, UAE |
Jul 18, 2010 |
Kiran, in addition to your Technical skills I must admit that you do have a penchant for writing.
However, your attribute of words -“teaching”, “preaching” and “evangelism” to different religions only displays that Google doesn’t work too well on your computer.
Or probably, you have re-programmed your Google with adequate filters so that what is finally displayed on YOUR screen is ONLY what you want to hear/read in your vanity for establishing some weird kind-of religious supremacy/philosophy/whatever? It kind-of reminds me of how our hardline preacher friend Zakir Naik purpotedly “tears” down other religions in order to prove that his religion is numero uno and unfallible!
Anyway, here are some excerpts from a link (www.sikhlionz.com/Rashtriya%20Swayamsevak%20Sangh.doc) which our pal VRS had posted for us EYT’ians.
Take a GOOD look and then tell us whether these are all “teachings” or something else that can be best described by a 4 letter word. Here goes:
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Dr. Hedgewar, the RSS founder, propounded the idea that national unity would only come about if it was declared that all non-Hindus in India, such as Muslims and Christians, do not form a part of the nation. This was because, in HIS opinion, non-Hindus deny Hindu traditions, ideals, and culture. Hedgewar INDOCTRINATED this idea into his hand-picked protégé Madhavrao Sadasivrao Golwalkar (more commonly known as Guruji-"the teacher"), again from Nagpur.
The Sangh and its offspring organizations such as the BJP have successfully USED the name of Rama as a ploy to garner Hindu votes and drum up anti-Muslim hatred. In addition | | | | |
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